In Moderation
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Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
In Moderation
Chem Thug and the Quest to Educate in an Era of Misinformation
Embark on a thought-provoking journey with us as we peel back the layers of misinformation and anti-intellectualism saturating social media. From a deceptive cheese video to the chilling legacy of a Soviet scientist whose agrarian blunders led to famine, we explore the curious interplay of fear, skepticism, and public perception. Our discussion reveals the alarming ease with which trivia gains attention while pressing issues fade into the background, a pattern that has echoed through history and remains a critical concern in today's information age.
Grapple with the tension between freedom of speech and the urgent need to halt the spread of harmful falsehoods, especially when it comes to medical misinformation. As I express my unease over the potential damage caused by unchecked narratives, our special guest, PhD candidate and content creator Chem Thug, brings a fresh lens to the debate. We share a collective frustration over the enduring presence of debunked ideas and the importance of fostering a culture where critical thinking isn't just encouraged but celebrated. The fine line between simple ignorance and a deliberate disregard for truth becomes a focal point for our impassioned conversation.
Then, we lighten the mood as Chem Thug takes us through his adventures in demystifying chemistry via social media. With infectious enthusiasm, he recounts his efforts to educate and entertain an online audience, from busting myths to creating viral educational content. We're reminded of the unpredictable nature of digital platforms through personal stories, including a controversial video takedown, and how such experiences teach us humility. It's a reminder that passion for learning and a touch of humility can go a long way in guiding us through the ever-evolving landscape of online information.
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Well, now I uh, I'm not gonna lie Sometimes I think about like I think about some of the people that, like you know, are like afraid of what's. A good example, that recent one, that that recent video that you made, rob, where you're like this woman who, like, poured some water through her shredded cheese and she was like look at all this grossness coming out of the cheese, and I'm like, at least I worry about things that are actually valid to worry about, like that. I just feel bad for people like that sometimes.
Speaker 2:You know that lady that does it. She also does like a bunch of recipe videos and people tack me in those. I'm like I'm not going to do those videos just because of all the other shit she does. But like, why doesn't she just stick to that Like she does? Pretty well with those recipe videos, and then she goes off and just like, loses her mind about the, the tiniest thing oh she's got like a whole thing of that.
Speaker 1:I thought I was under the impression that she's like a one off, like random.
Speaker 4:No, she's really big on Instagram.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she has a P and you listen. If you ever want to lose brain cells, go into the comment section of her videos. It's all weak. I can't believe what. The FDA should be sued. The government shouldn't be allowed to do this. Like it's full, they have drank all the Kool-Aid. The Kool-Aid is gone. There's no more to drink.
Speaker 1:Are people this averse to like science? I guess, yeah. Like are people this anti-electual anti-electual in Canada as well. Like is it is? It? Is it really like a broader Western thing? I always felt like it was just like a very American thing to be super, to be like super anti-intellectual and at the same time, be like, try to be like super intellectual about your anti-intellectualism. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4:Like it'll be like no, I'm not going to look at the facts. I mean, it's unfortunately very prevalent in Alberta, mostly because Alberta is like want to be Texas.
Speaker 2:That makes sense and there's a lot of it in like England as well, like there's. I don't think it's just I think America's. We do everything big, but like I think it is every other places as well, just because we're larger and we're more loud about it is kind of what you see, but I think it kind of just comes with the more you have, the more you forget about the past, the things that people dealt with previously. Like you look at vaccines and stuff like that. People don't remember measles, mums through Bella, like I don't remember any of that stuff. So it's just polio. No one really remembers. And the people that do remember polio are like fuck polio, but like people today, I don't want to give my kid polio vaccine.
Speaker 2:That's not a thing anymore. So why should I have to do that?
Speaker 3:And I think it's just because they're so far removed?
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, it's like no, because what you don't understand is that, like your kid, polio is not a thing anymore, because we've been given kids this vaccine.
Speaker 3:So we kind of need to keep doing that, you know like.
Speaker 4:I know that part. Yeah, I'm really happy that there's the guy on TikTok. He's like one of the last people with polio in an iron lung and he's well, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm talking about and it's great because then people are actually seeing it. But yeah, it's one of the last people left.
Speaker 2:It's the anti, but it's always been the thing. Like there was a Russian scientist I forget his name, it's it's escaped me now but basically he had this idea that, like you, had to alter seeds by altering their environment. So, if you like, throw seeds first and then thought them out, then they would grow in ice environments.
Speaker 1:Obviously knowing literally anything. Yeah, no, this is a real thing. Yeah, this this way. Wait, hold on. Is this that that that he was like a Russian scientist that was like strange scamming, like he was. He like knew that he was bullshit, like he. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know, did he know he was bullshit? I'm not, I'm not, I can't speak to them.
Speaker 1:But I don't. Yeah, I don't know enough, I'm sorry. I think his name I'll remember, like halfway through the podcast.
Speaker 2:But like basically, but the funny thing was at the time, like it was Stalin. Stalin was in power and he loved the idea because it was like a definitely a communist thing. Like you change the environment and change the person. You change the environment, you change the seeds. So they would plant them in ice areas. They would use dynamite to bury seeds deeper, because you had to bury them as deep as possible, and also seeds you could plant as many as you want, because certain seeds would just die off because they know they can't survive with other seeds around. So they would sacrifice themselves. All complete nonsense. Like all of this is nonsense.
Speaker 2:But people bought into it, so much so that Russia ended up losing a lot of crops and had to pretend like they were doing really well. So they kept exporting food and people kept were dying in droves because they're like they couldn't say like hey, this didn't work out Right, so they had to pretend like it worked. So then you know what happened. This was the time of Mao Zedong in China, and so China saw like wow, look at Russia exporting all this food. Clearly, they have so much. This is working. So they got the same scientists to teach them and they planted so many seeds in like the northernest parts of China, where it's completely frozen Obviously didn't work and again led to just massive starvation. And still, to this day, there's people in like the United States that believe in this guy and still try and at least do some of the things that he said.
Speaker 2:And if that doesn't teach you that like no, people won't learn and we're all idiots, then I really don't know what will. So it's, I can't remember its name, it's just I got to look it up later. Yeah, I mean whole podcast. I'll send it to you. You got to listen to it. It's, it's wild, it's absolutely wild.
Speaker 1:I feel like I'm familiar with at least some aspects of this story, because I do feel like at some point in I've read or watched some random video or article about a Russian agricultural scientist who, like, was trying to use this ideology of like. If you just like, you know, if you just subject the season, appropriate environment, they grow and they'll be able to grow in that environment. That's like the most that I can remember, but like I don't think I knew about it this person then getting hired in China.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, they moved to China. I know, yeah, that was wild.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's like, but that's. But I mean like that's. That's just like a con artist, though, though, though right Like, because sometimes some of these people believe fully in their, in their cool. I don't know. Oh yeah, you know for sure, you know that's a, you know that's a, you know trofum Lashenko.
Speaker 2:Look up trofum Lashenko. That's his name.
Speaker 1:I completely, I just but yeah that's, but I'll definitely, I'll definitely look that one up.
Speaker 2:You got to look it. I'll send you, like, the link to this podcast. I listened to it. If there's a, it's a two-parter. I'm not going to lie. It's long because there is so much absolute crazy shit going on, but I don't mind that. I don't mind at all.
Speaker 1:I don't mind that at all.
Speaker 2:I like I watched two other videos on.
Speaker 1:YouTube FD signifies one of my favorite creators, trofum Lashenko.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but like and he bored, he died in 1976. So this wasn't that like it was, wasn't that long ago.
Speaker 1:It's like it's one of those things where it's like I feel like, when I feel like it's it really just comes down to access to information, though, like you can be convinced of something. If a convincing enough person comes along and gives you a convincing case, you know it's like anybody can get scammed. That's really the whole reason why knowledge is power, as, as as is always said, that's a tattoo.
Speaker 2:And I generally do there's a tattoo. There's only one good knowledge and one evil ignorance.
Speaker 1:Socrates, you know it's like I mean, like you know there's, there's a thing where, like I feel like if enough people have enough access to enough information, you kind of stop running into these issues. But that doesn't happen, unfortunately that doesn't happen. I just, I don't know, I don't, I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to believe with that screw.
Speaker 2:It's such a it's such a balance. So because in like a communist society it's perfect, because the government kind of controls the way things the information is delivered for the most part. But also when you get the flip side in America, where there's so much information, then everyone has access to whatever nonsense they want to come up with. And we know from like research that false information spreads way faster than accurate information. So it's this tough balance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you like, you know, if you just have, like a straight free flow of just like, whatever information in whatever ways is going to go out, then yeah, of course, especially if there's like, especially if there are exogenous motives attached to the dissemination of that information, right, like, let you know, it's difficult to have this conversation without acknowledging that, you know, the dissemination of information has often been tied to means, right, so like, and who has access to the ability to learn accurate things in a valid framework that gives them the ability to critically think and question things appropriately?
Speaker 1:You know, it's usually people, who is usually not most people, and but the thing is, is that, like, I genuinely do believe that if most, that most people are in fact have a perfectly reasonable intellectual capacity, I do think that the vast majority of people if, if we had obviously this is not, you know, possible, but if we had, like, an infinite set of resources and an infinite amount of time you could make have most people be reasonable, rational, logical, critical thinkers who are able to assess valid information and consume information. Response.
Speaker 2:Do you think all like misinformation would be like stamped out in that situation, Like do you think it would spread at all or would it just be gone?
Speaker 1:I think it would, just I think it would. I think it would kind of do the thing where it would slowly fizzle out and there would be a lot less of it. I don't know that you could ever get rid of people.
Speaker 2:Right, that's my question. You don't think it would Like anti-social things?
Speaker 1:I don't think you would ever go away, but it becomes like an oculation kind of like what we were talking about with vaccines earlier.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like it's easier to fool somebody who doesn't know things. So if, like, if early childhood education were like a universal thing and like we really trained kids, beginning as early as possible, to just to critically think just to think critically, you know what I mean. Like if we really could instill that in humans in some way, because you got to, you got to be taught to do that. I get tricked sometimes. I'm not going to say like I'm not gullible sometimes yeah right, you know.
Speaker 1:So, like you know, you really do have to be trained to do that. But you know I'm not going to sit here and pretend. Like you know, we're on a great course to be in. No Right Get me.
Speaker 2:Do you think in our education system we're teaching people, teaching children, too much of just kind of the memorization like here are the facts, as opposed to like we need to teach more of the critical thinking in order for them to discern what is reality from what is myth?
Speaker 1:I guess You're trying to get me in trouble here.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know the answer to this. Like I, it's, it's a different, like that. And also like what, how to censor things is I'm fascinated with, because I think it. We do need some censorship, but how much and where and who does it Like? I don't know the answer to these questions and I find them just interesting.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, I'm not going to say I'm pretending like I have like a perfect solution to that Question is a question that needs to be answered because, you know, not all information is needed at all points in time in one's life and sometimes you don't want people seeing certain things. You know like trigger warnings, for perfect example. You know like that's, you know as a prime example of like when you want to. You know, but I think that's still kind of, and again, I understand that this is kind of I think the word I'm looking for here is quixotic. You know this idea that, like you know, if, if we were in a perfect world.
Speaker 1:Quote unquote or even just a world, like I said, where more people had more access to more like, and this, I guess, is where I guess this is kind of what gets to your question, right Like what is valid and correct information outside of things that can be empirically tested, you know, like, where do we, where do we draw that line?
Speaker 2:I suppose, right Like there there is that before the things that are we have tested and we do understand. How much of that do we then censor from people on the other side, questioning, questioning that that's kind of my question. Like vaccines is always a great example. There's always you know how much of that do we say, okay, no, we really can't let this spread, because people will believe it and that is very dangerous. But also then they're going to say you're censoring us and we're you know like that's, that's government intervention, yada, yada, yada. And I get that Like I understand from their point of view. But fuck me, can I fuck some shit?
Speaker 1:I mean, you know if something I suppose that there are, at least you know, I guess. I guess there's, there's two, there's two paths to talking about this, you know, with a concrete example. And then there's the like, nebulous information. You know what I mean. Like, you know it's like, but at least in that specific example I mean look, we have laws about spreading harmful medical misinformation, right Like we have laws against that, and there are material harms that come to people when this type of misinformation gets spread. So I, I, you know I don't know about a perfect framework, but you know if there's a material harm, that that comes from the proliferation of an idea. You know I mean as somebody who has suffered material harm for the proliferation of certain ideas. But I hear what you're saying, I absolutely hear what you're saying. Like where's the line? Like at what point, who gets to decide?
Speaker 2:And it's like, what frustrates me is you have, like the, the I forget his name, but the person who released the study on vaccines and autism. Yes, he was just. Yes, he got his license taken away. Yes, he had some things. You know, you know that happened to him, but he's still like, he still makes money off his ideas. He still, like, tries to spread his ideas. He like people still pay him for shit. Like, so, even if you are completely like, the whole system says, nope, we're taking all, all of your licensing and everything away, you can still take your information anywhere, make money off it, profit, and you know well and so and yeah, so this is where I go back to like.
Speaker 1:this is where I go back to like. In reality, you're right, and that's just kind of like a tragic result of where we exist in my like perfect ideal world, where people have access to enough information, most people think critically you just can't make money off of that.
Speaker 1:Like, if, like, and that's that's where I'm like, if there is, if, if, if I'm not saying it is we're not there now, and I mean, really it just kind of sucks. It makes me sad and that's a big part of why I decided to. You know why me and my wife kind of did I've been doing the Kim Dark thing, because there needs to be more voices of reason out there, I think. But you know, if you really asked me like, you know how I feel deep down and you know when I'm like, falling asleep at night and I wish upon a star for the way I wish the world to be.
Speaker 1:I just wish more people were better at thinking critically so that they couldn't be preyed upon in this way, because at the end, you know, and I don't and I don't blame any given individual for not knowing something right we all learn things at certain points in our lives and we didn't know it beforehand, and that's just how things work. Like, being ignorant isn't a crime, no, being intentionally ignorant, however, I don't know. I personally feel so tired about people who were like nah, I don't want to learn, I'm like why, not Because that's my definition of stupid.
Speaker 2:It's like you have ignorant, which is like I just didn't know, like I don't know about the mating rituals of pandas, like whatever, like I'm ignorant about that.
Speaker 4:But why?
Speaker 2:pandas. Come on, red pandas. I know, go back to the red pandas, the running gag, but like being stupid is like here's the information I go. No, I don't, I won't, I won't learn that. I'm just going to stick with what I believe instead. Yeah, my definition.
Speaker 4:Well, we've, we've already done half the podcast. Do we have any if we didn't introduce the podcast yet?
Speaker 2:We just kind of ran into it. Hey, welcome to the podcast in moderation. You're listening to Rob Liam and our special guest Chem Thug. How you doing. What up y'all? Just coming in Okay, listen. So yeah, let's go back to introducing. So I am super excited for this episode because of all our guests so far. You know. Wait, rob, do you have? Do other people that have been a guest on the show? Do they listen to the podcast after this? Definitely not, no.
Speaker 4:They, they, they, they. You know, just in case they do, I'm not going to say what I was going to say Chem Thug, we're super excited to have you.
Speaker 1:I'm excited to be here. I appreciate your advice.
Speaker 2:It's cool so yeah, why don't you give us a little bit of what you do on kind of like TikTok and your social medias? And, you know, give us your deal if you will.
Speaker 1:Sure sure. So I am currently a PhD candidate in a synthetic organic chemistry research program and in my spare time, I guess, I make videos on TikTok and YouTube and I guess also Instagram and, I suppose, wherever else. I eventually put them about chemistry, mostly just kind of like debunking things, or trying to debunking things that are patently false, or trying to explain things that are mystifying or confusing or like why did this happen, you know, like, so, like one of the first videos we did with where the uh, why you can't mix bleach with vinegar, or any acid for that matter, because of the whole reaction that generates chlorine gas, which is, you know, technically something you might figure out after like an O-chem one course, right, or a Jinkum even. But you know, sometimes you need to be told not to mix bleach with things.
Speaker 4:That's what I did. Sometimes you need to be told not to eat borax.
Speaker 2:We'll get into the borax thing in a second. What?
Speaker 4:got you interested, though.
Speaker 2:I'm curious what got you interested, though, in doing that? Did you just see a lot of this stuff popping up on your social media or whatever? Like, what made you interested in being like, hey, actually don't do that, I'm trying to give a short answer here.
Speaker 1:I like teaching, I like explaining things. I always have, even since I was a little kid. So I don't consume a whole lot of TikTok. I do consume a fair amount of YouTube, but my wife consumes a lot of TikTok and she would show me things and she would ask me questions and I would be like, oh well, see, this is what's happening there and this is what that's about. And then there was one day where she was like hey, do you want to make a video explaining this thing that you just explained to me? And I was like sure why not?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's good. And then it did really like way better than either of us ever could have possibly expected it would do. And then the next one we did like Legit went viral, which was the chlorine. The chlorine and, excuse me, the chlorine gas from bleach and vinegar. And so we did a couple more videos, and I think the first four videos were all about like bleach and what not to do with it.
Speaker 2:You get pigeonholed into something and I guess you have pigeonholed into bleach.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for those first few videos I was like man, I'm just like here, like somebody has sent me a question asking me like, yeah, you know, I cleaned this pan I had with bleach and this other stuff and here's some pictures of what it looks like now and it got on those crazy colors and you know.
Speaker 3:I was like man.
Speaker 1:That sounds like a really interesting Redox reaction series and I kind of started trying to look into it a little bit, but I didn't have enough information to like really figure it out. At the end of the day I was like I don't really know, I can give a guess.
Speaker 2:But that's a sign of a person who actually knows his business. They can say like oh, I don't know, it's probably something to do with this or that, but like, at the end of the day, that's something, that's something right there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like. I feel like one of the main things you learn in any kind of like in any higher education. At some point you learn that, like you don't know a lot of things. There's a lot of things you just don't know, and that's fine, that's OK, it's totally fine. It's totally fine, but yeah you know, I just kind of continued on after that. Like you know, my wife would suggest videos or I would come up with things that I thought would be interesting, and you know we would go for it.
Speaker 2:Nice, so we do have to. So yes, Valaz, Rob alluded to the one thing that kind of blew up that you know we were all fascinated with. We all did videos. I did a video. It got taken down. Tick Tock got real mad at me for doing a satire piece on borax, and I know your video got like taken down for a little bit and then you had to get it reinstituted. It was like a whole thing, but yeah give people a little background on the whole borax thing, if you could.
Speaker 1:Oh man, I guess I should have. Probably I should have seen this coming Right At some point. At some point my wife had approached me with this one and she was like yo, people are drinking borax or tick tock, basically.
Speaker 3:You were like no way.
Speaker 1:Why. And she was like, oh well, you know, they say it does all these things. And I was like, no, it doesn't, what. So I was like, all right, well, maybe I'm wrong. You know, like I said, like I was saying before, like I try to get people benefited to doubt. I don't know everything, I'm not a medical expert and I mean like maybe there's some I don't know, so I look into it and I actually for a lot of the videos.
Speaker 1:Up to that point I didn't have to do a lot of like literature, searching to like understand, because a lot of it was stuff that I still kind of just know. And then I would like look up stuff in literature after and be like, yep, I was right, but this one I was like, no, I'm going to go do some digging. I'm going to do some digging and literally everything I found was like this is toxic, this is poison, Don't drink this, Don't eat this. I found like maybe like two random papers that were like boron is a necessary micronutrient that's present enough in other things that you really shouldn't supplement it because you need to access boron as a problem. But that's boron, not borax. Borax is like your body doesn't give people borax?
Speaker 2:Can you give people like, just like? People are probably like what the fuck?
Speaker 1:is borax. I don't know, sorry, yeah, no problem. So borax is borax is the that, that laundry additive you've seen in the 20 mL box, and it's this chemical compound. That's a salt, it's an. It's a salt of boric acid. It's a sodium, it's a salt of sodium and boron, which borate is boron, with a bunch of oxygen attached to it.
Speaker 1:I'm stumbling with the name because the way it actually forms is like a substance is vaguely kind of weird. It's not just like a one to one thing like sodium and chloride, it's like two sodiums or three sodiums and then like a few different borons and a bunch of oxygen atoms. But the simple version of it is like boron with three oxygens attached to it and then like two sodiums or something like that, or three sodiums or something like that, and it's usually just uses like a laundry booster, like I think it has applications for like pottery stuff. There's definitely a bunch of chemistry you can do with like boron and borate compounds I used I literally used one last week to do something related to my research is Suzuki coupling, although it wasn't boric acid, it was like boric acid was something else attached to it, not important, but I know, but like you know. So borax is just the salt of boric acid, is a sodium salt of boric acid. It's like boron, three oxygen atoms and a couple of various numbers of sodium sodium atoms.
Speaker 1:And people will say things like that, like, oh, this is boron, sodium and oxygen. It's like, oh, it's totally fine. It's not like it depends on the molecule itself and like how it's made. Thus it's chemistry, not how it's made, but the structure of it and thus it's chemistry. So yeah, you know, like I said, I did some digging and everything basically said like borax, no, absolutely not. This is like a poison. Like why would you eat this boron? Yeah, necessary micronutrient, get it in your diet. So at first, like when I first started making the video, I was like all right, well, you know, I'm going to like approach this with some like grace and you know, like clearly there's maybe some necessity of boron and the diet and maybe I should try to right. And I started to think about it a little bit more and I saw the intro that my wife had put together, because she put, she made that. I saw that was all her.
Speaker 2:If you haven't seen it people listening to this go watch it. It's just like a ton of people like just it's so many clips. It's like 37 of people drinking borax.
Speaker 1:And then I saw it like. And then I because at first also like I thought that I didn't realize at first that it was like the 20 mule brand, like laundry booster, borax, like there was a period where I was like maybe I'll show people how to recrystallize it so that they can, like you know, use it safely, or something I was like no, we're using fire.
Speaker 1:No, yeah, you know, I mean that's literally why the video opens with like don't eat shit out the laundry box. People like don't do that. Like just don't do that, even if it's good for you. Like why would you eat it from there? Like what? No, what's wrong with you? So you know, I had a bit of a visual reaction to this, especially after doing actual research, so like be sure that I wasn't like making something up. At some point somebody told me that there is some random person who like wrote manuscripts that are of dubious publication quality, that purport to have that borax, that their personal use of borax helped alleviate their what was it? Arthritis. But like sounds real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was gonna say like you know, like if I can't find, if that's the only thing I can find and anything else says nah, I'm going to go with anything else, like I don't know what. You look, I made it to the ripe old age of 34 without eating borax once. So I think I'm on the right side of history here.
Speaker 2:So basically we need boron. So these people are saying, okay, drink this, which is boron and just some other things, and that's good for you. That was basically their, their claim.
Speaker 4:It's a trace amount of boron that we need. It's not even that much.
Speaker 1:And it's like I don't know the borons, the thing that like I mean again, this is not something that's like my, my field of expertise, but I do I'm aware that there is a degree to which your body excretes certain minerals and substances at different rates, like iron, for example. You might have some of the iron, some of the iron that's in your body might have been in your body for years at this point, right, like some of the individual iron atoms. But like vitamin C, if you drink vitamin C this morning, it's gone already, probably, right, you know. So boron might be one of those things that hangs out a lot anyway, so you don't really need to like worry about consuming it, you know, but like it is also just like the thing of like. That's not how that works.
Speaker 2:How did they get to the point where they're like, yes, boron will cure these things that I have, like it doesn't compute.
Speaker 1:It's, it's, it's. I feel like it goes back to like the thing I was saying earlier, where it's like you know, if you don't have, if you don't have enough information, if you don't have enough correct information to combat misinformation that agrees with what you think should be correct, then it just becomes that much easier for you to fall into that hole. And then you run into that issue of people not wanting to be wrong, like I'm not going to sit here and pretend, like I feel, bad sometimes when like somebody's like yo.
Speaker 1:Jake yo, yo, yo yo yo. You were, you were. You weren't right about that. That was a I was a incorrect answer. You didn't even carry the three. Yeah, I'm like ah, you're right, I wasn't, you know I get over it. It's fine, you know but you know, and for some people they get very attached to what they believe it carries different weight.
Speaker 2:If you get like an equation wrong, okay I'll admit I'm wrong. But if you get I was drinking cleaning product wrong, that's just like a different beast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're like nah, I don't want to be, I don't want to be that wrong Like nah, because like that I look like an idiot. You know it's like that people make fun of me on the internet. You know like, and it's like you know I feel bad. I genuinely do feel bad for a lot of the a lot of the people, for a lot of the people in the world, for a lot of the people in those spaces not necessarily the people who are like, knowingly putting out false information or knowingly put out, putting out, knowingly putting out information that is somewhat dubious. You know, like, I like, they're like. I think when I was looking into this, I found some people who are like I don't know, I heard this, but I also know this, so I don't know and I'm like this isn't that much better, but this isn't as bad as people, just straight up being like yo, just put a sprinkle of 20 mule in your water bottle in the morning and you'll never get cancer.
Speaker 1:Like I'm like Jesus. But the thing is it's like if you don't understand enough about how things work in general, then it becomes way easier for you to think that these like quasi magical solutions are possible. You know, or or also right, and I wonder to what degree. Also like because we live in such a scientifically and technologically advanced point that there are people who are like yo, but we can probably just do this now, right, like because we just have the technology right. And I question if at all. That is a degree to which people. It just makes it easier for people to believe something like that, whereas, like, oh, you know, I mean, when you consider that we exist in the age of some of the, some of the medications that we have nowadays, like you know that even just 10 years ago would have been revolutionary. Well, I guess you know that by definition, it doesn't matter when they happen. They're revolutionary.
Speaker 3:But I think you get what I mean right.
Speaker 2:Like you know yeah it's just. It's fascinating to me the whole boron boric situation is just it was so yeah, so yeah, we got heat.
Speaker 1:We got heat for it, right. Like you know, we put out this video and a lot of it was about like, as you mentioned, the shocking intro, my wife's intro. I think a lot of people were like what?
Speaker 1:And I put up a little video, you know, and I tried to be, I tried to be reasonable at the end, where I was, like you know, look, I understand that health care is a thing and you know all of that, but, like yo, don't you know, try to find that like legit information. You know what I mean and I'll even say I don't remember who this person was or what vector through which they contacted me, but there was one person who contacted me about that video and they were like Yo, real talk. I've used borax to deal with like an eye infection Because I genuinely do not have access to other appropriate medication. I am very much aware of the fact that that's like a last resort kind of thing. Wow, thank you for like taking a moment to acknowledge that like, health care is not like equitable in this country and sometimes people have to resort to things like that. People are desperate, which is heartbreaking. Like what?
Speaker 2:That is absolutely when you're so down and out that you go to your cleaning section and you just say well, hopefully this helps with the thing I have. That's a that's a bad spot.
Speaker 4:Hopefully I don't go blind.
Speaker 2:You know, I'm just like yo. Greatest country in the world, america.
Speaker 1:Tell me about it, right. So, most of the most of the people who reached out were not like this person. Most of the people reached out were all kinds of young adults. Talk about you getting paid by the pharmaceutical company which yo, if there is a pharmaceutical company out there that wants to pay me to tell people to not do something that I'm already going to tell them not to do Right. Holla at me, chemicalthuggeryatgmailcom.
Speaker 4:I would happily be paid to tell people not to consume laundry detergent.
Speaker 3:Why?
Speaker 1:I'm just like yo, this is like I don't like. Why would you like?
Speaker 2:you know, I'm just like I'm not anyway, so that happened, but yeah, tiktok took it down because of that like intro, they were like they thought you were like promoting it and it took you a while saying, hey, no, we're trying to educate people, right?
Speaker 1:So yeah, they. I'm pretty sure part of it was also just like a lot of people, a lot of people, some of those people sending those messages being like nah, report this for misinformation. You know, it's fine, I get it, but I do, you know, honestly, it getting reposted was a monumentally eye-opening moment for me, I guess, because that was probably the moment where I was like, oh, I'm like actually a content creator now with like a following in a community With some influence.
Speaker 2:I can get my video back.
Speaker 1:Right and I don't. I hope to not hope that that doesn't come across as like some weird, you know, megalomaniacal sort of thing, because it very much was like I'm not, don't worry, that's what I just heard.
Speaker 3:He'll All right.
Speaker 1:I mean, yeah, of course, obviously, like, there is the degree to which I just I did, in a lot of ways, kind of just end up stumbling into this, but I am, I am like wildly, wildly humbled by this, Like, especially that moment where I was like yo, I really asked them to help me get this video back. And they helped me get this video back. Like that didn't happen because I complained about it. That happened because I think roughly a hundred thousand people engaged with and watched that video that I posted complaining about it, and they were like Kim Thug is great, we love Kim Thug, please put his stuff back. And I was like yo, I kind of can't stop doing this, I guess.
Speaker 2:Well, at least I got to like, try to like.
Speaker 1:I got to try to like keep this up to some degree, because yo, these, yo, there's 200,000 people out here willing to go to bat for me. Yeah, holy shit, this is amazing. So you know and now?
Speaker 4:Now you're on the best podcast ever Right Now. I love it.
Speaker 1:Forget getting the video back. Being on in moderation is the so, but then I think that's when every single followers and achievement real talk every single followers achievement, every single follower, Absolutely. I'm not trying to say that just to be nice. I mean that from the core of my being like I wouldn't you wouldn't have invited me here if it weren't for all those people. So real talk, like Absolutely.
Speaker 4:I mean, we wouldn't be here if it was for all those people.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I don't know why people like listen to me yell about shit, but they do, so I just go with it, so I thank you. But then is when I think the sequel kind of happened for you is was, was colloidal silver, and I just found that and that's another one that I was just like I I'm what what?
Speaker 1:You had.
Speaker 2:I thought it was a joke. I was a hundred percent certain it was a joke and it took a long time for me to go oh, people are actually doing this, so you got to give the people a little bit on what colloidal silver is like. That it's just, it's so something you have to talk about something. It's so something, so something.
Speaker 1:So I mean, yeah, that was another one of the ones that honestly, that one I was less surprised by than the Borax one, just because it is not untrue that silver has been used in medicine and continues to find use in medicine. Just not that kind Like just not that one.
Speaker 2:So that's a small detail. That's a small detail. Don't worry about it, there's not one.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm just like yo. You might as well just buy like a hunk of sterling of like actual like sterling silver and just chew on that shit Like you're doing about as much for your health.
Speaker 3:Oh OK, Maybe even more.
Speaker 4:Oh OK, Somebody's going to listen to this and they're going to stop right there and just run out and buy some silver.
Speaker 1:No, I shouldn't have said it. No, don't do that?
Speaker 2:I mean in the grand scheme of things. I've heard a lot worse just chewing on a box of silver. That's all I'm going to say.
Speaker 1:Right, at least sterilize it first. But yeah, no, so the way colloidal silver works is like it's. So if you imagine, like you have like a hunk of metal, right, like, imagine this hunk of metal like a bar of a bar of silver, right Now, make that bar a ball of silver, right? That ball of silver is full of silver atoms, right? And if it's a ball that's roughly the size of your hand, there's going to be, you know, millions upon billions, upon billions of them in there. So let's shrink that ball down to like half the width of a human hair.
Speaker 1:At this point you start talking about a much smaller amount of atoms, and at this point you start talking about like colloidally suspended particles of silver metal which are largely which. I'm not going to sit here and try to like say how many atoms are per, because I don't remember top my head but like you can get various size, dispersions and distributions, but it ultimately ends up being like little, tiny, like not quite microscopic, because usually there's a haze in the water so you can kind of see the turbidity of the liquid, and that is actual, like silver metal in tiny, tiny particulate form just floating around. And bulk silver metal is like antimicrobial to some degree. I forget exactly how it works, but like, yeah, I think, like, if you actually just like if they're, if you try to culture bacteria on like a silver surface, it doesn't work, at least some, not all, I don't think.
Speaker 1:But colloidal silver doesn't really work like that. It doesn't like, it just kind of accumulates in your body and doesn't really do anything. And if it does do anything, it's not like specific. So a lot of people like to think that, like, for reasons that I cannot begin to fathom, but I can only guess at that, you know the way, the way that, like you know, when you don't have information, your mind makes you make up things to explain it. You know, like that's just magic.
Speaker 2:That's how we got the early religions 500 years ago. I could forgive all of this. Like, absolutely Like the four humors that we had like the, the miasma theory of disease, were like just bad smells cause disease.
Speaker 2:I'm like, so the idea that bad smells cause disease, listen, 500 years ago, I'm with it. I totally understand why people say this thing smells bad, it goes around people, people get sick, like, and so bad smells cause disease. Like, I, I, I, those, those are dots I can connect, but we are in a time where those dots should not no longer be able to connect. And people are still connecting these dots and I just, I'm, I'm, I'm interested in, baffled by it.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of it that does have to do with the fact that there are people who are who actively benefit from other people buying into this. So it's not just that like you know, it's not just that, it's like they could say it and like the people who sell colloidal silver aren't talking about it the way I talk.
Speaker 2:Sure they don't, but they wouldn't sell very well.
Speaker 1:Exactly, you know, that's I mean, that's really what it comes down to, where it's like, you know, and then you know people need medical care. So you know they turn to these crazy alternative things that have like the vagus sliver of vague kind of thought of legitimacy, but they it's like. It's not like silver as a medicine has never been used internally. I don't think like extensively like that. Maybe right before, like early before we had figured out penicillin, I think some people did kind of try to use colloidal silver as a more spectrum.
Speaker 1:Internal Because, like I said, it has antimicrobial properties like that some but like I'm pretty sure, from what I remember when I was actually looking up stuff for that video, it was never really well established that it actually had a significant effect beyond, like you know, basically just like kind of placebo, you know, like it would maybe work and maybe wouldn't, and the fortunate thing is that it's tolerated reasonably well by the body right, like of the of the heavy metals, because it is a heavy metal. Don't let anybody tell you different. It's a heavy metal.
Speaker 3:It's one of the least bad heavy metals.
Speaker 2:you can consume Couch. How much does this magical thing cost?
Speaker 1:Which you know to be fair. I think that has a lot to do with how it ends up, you know, kind of maintaining this space in the alternative medicine community, if you will, because this is not the first. Like you know, colloidal silvers people have been hocking that stuff for like, like when I, even when I was recording the video, like I kind of saw like people still try to sell this stuff, because I remember I remember there was like kind of a big wave of it again, like maybe like 15 years ago or so, and I was like I feel like it's been around and people have continued to try to like push this quote unquote alternative medicine, you know it's like.
Speaker 1:You know it's like apricot seeds is another one of those things it's like when people, although that was a little different because it's you know, cancer I guess, but like it's, it kind of all goes from, comes from the same place. There's like this vague notion that it kind of sounds like it could work. And then you got a bunch of people because, you know, I'm pretty sure neither of you have a second colloidal silver.
Speaker 2:Currently no yeah.
Speaker 1:So, like you know, with people with enough awareness and critical thinking capacity to at least, like I might buy it, I might like believe that you're saying something that's accurate, but I'm not going to like put credence into it until I double verify it. You know what I mean Like. But if people feel like you are in a position of authority to tell them something you know, you know sometimes they just they just take it and run with it, you know, especially if it sounds like everything that they want and more.
Speaker 2:You know, like you're saying that you're kind of saying like it has this truth to it and I think a lot of it comes down to the name like colloidal silver has like a really good ring to it. So I've written down some names and so for the magic thing that we're coming up with that cures things, I want you guys to tell me what you think, OK, because obviously, as everybody knows, the most important thing in these things is the name.
Speaker 4:Right, Like that's what we're going to hear yeah, oh, yeah, it's the science behind it.
Speaker 2:Fuck that OK. So what do you think of Firefly Gold? Because I think like no OK what about? Firefly Dust, and yes, they all begin with Firefly. Listen, I think Fireflies are already sort of otherworldly and weird.
Speaker 1:So I don't think it's Firefly Dust could work. Firefly Dust could work.
Speaker 4:It does kind of sound like a drug or something. Keep going, keep going, keep going.
Speaker 2:Because, ok, because we, I think Firefly needs to be in there because, like it's just, it's already seemed sort of magical, like if you're just looking at Fireflies, they look kind of magical. We need something that people can jump to the magic without realizing they're jumping into magic.
Speaker 1:That's what we need. How you wait, you got more names on the list. I'm deeply curious about this. Actually, I'm also a creative writer, so I don't have anything written on here at all.
Speaker 2:This is a receipt. I'm just.
Speaker 1:Just random shit. How about Glowfly Dust?
Speaker 2:I like that more. Actually, I was all in on Firefly, now I'm in on go Glowfly, glowfly Dust. The dust sounds good Like dust is. Yeah, like it's just it's. It's small, it can like you know, I don't know, there's something about that.
Speaker 4:I like your line of it.
Speaker 2:Like that kind of tells you how you're going to take it right, like it's just a dust, like whatever you can, put it in water, you could solve this.
Speaker 1:It's a water drop.
Speaker 2:It's a you know whatever holes you want to drop it in.
Speaker 3:You can just drop it right in there, it's totally fine.
Speaker 1:Oh, man, and the best part is, you could like, you know, you could say, you know, you could just like mix a little bit of like a radon what do you call it? Like a radon paint and some like sawdust, and it will definitely glow oh holy shit.
Speaker 2:If it actually like glow, just a little bit even if it was like under ultraviolet light or something like you could show people like I'm taking this, so like oh, what's that? And you're like, oh, hold on, let me turn the lights off real quick, watch this. And then it lights up and they're like holy shit, that is magic, that is actual magic. Like you said, we don't know anything anymore, so like all information is gone. I think we could really fool quite a few people Now.
Speaker 4:Okay, kemp Thug are you okay coming up with like real talk?
Speaker 2:We need you to come up with the science-y stuff behind it, like it doesn't have to make sense. It doesn't have to make any sense.
Speaker 1:So wait, hold up, hold up. Because, like it's funny that you had this, that you had this kind of planned out, because it was a while ago when I made a video on hexagonal water and I got real deep into looking into like what is the? I? Because somebody I made a video, somebody made a comment on YouTube and they were like, yeah, real easy for you to take down some scam water, some scam like you know water purifier thing. But maybe you should address Dr Dr Gerald Pollock's like several reams of published research on easy water and hexagonal water in the exclusion zone and I was like what, there's like a what? So I looked into it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, that's what you do right, yeah.
Speaker 2:You know you look into it and sure enough.
Speaker 1:this is dude Gerald Pollock, who's like out here talking about some. Oh well, you know, we let me be careful here, cause he's like actually got his PhD and he's like actually like a very, you know, published and I think he's done plenty of things that are actually valid. But this I understand he gets a lot of. He gets a lot of flack for this like easy water idea. There he did some experiments and he showed that like if you have water and it like that water self arranges basically, which we kind of know right, and but he's like extending this logic to like all kinds of wild things, and this idea of hexagonal water is one of them, where, like water, when treated appropriately I forget exactly what you have to do to it, but like the water molecules, the H2O molecules, will arrange themselves in the hexagons and stay in that shape, and this has like wild properties and it like leads to like water having memory and all kinds of wild things. And so I was like you know, if people buy that, you know what they'll buy Tesseractal water.
Speaker 1:I don't drink.
Speaker 4:I don't drink hexagonal water, I drink tesseractal water.
Speaker 1:And the way tesseractal water works is that, you know, hydration is difficult, right? Like a lot of people struggle to drink water. Yeah, and it's true, like water doesn't, it's always tastes that great, right? So how great would it be if you could like drink water for now, and also the times when you hadn't drank water in the last like you know, day or so, that's where tesseractal water comes in. It's hydration in the fourth dimension. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:So basically, you know, you take.
Speaker 1:you take hexagonal water, right, and then you add to a small amount of magnetized powder, iron, and then you take this powder you mix it up and then what you have to do you have to put it on a rectifying device.
Speaker 1:Now, fortunately, a rectifying device can actually just be a VCR. No, no bullshit. Because the magnet, because the magnets in the VCR will be able to force the magnetized powder to induce the tesseractal form of the water in the vessel. So all you have to do is take your you know your hexagonal water that's been doped with the magnetic powder, put it on the rectifying device and hit rewind, and for every hour that you rewind it, you will hydrate a previous day's worth of yourself.
Speaker 2:People are going to be going in droves to the dump to find their local VCRs that have been thrown away. I can't believe I just threw out the answer to all my hydration problems. I must go get my VCR back.
Speaker 4:That was just brilliant. That was brilliant. And there's so many like. I'm just thinking about logos now.
Speaker 2:Like we need to get a logo on this, like rewind water, like, like, oh, there's so many.
Speaker 1:I think that's better. Actually, I think that's better. I think that's better. Rewind water, rewind water.
Speaker 2:Like the first to market tesseractal water.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 2:You put little like a little VC like I don't. Oh, there's so many like little things you could do. It would be so good People would buy that shit up. They really would. Yeah, you know it's, it's. It's wild to me.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to pretend Like I don't enjoy and find it hilarious to like come up with these things, but at the same time that I cannot help but be just a little bit sad knowing that there is somebody out there who would fall for that shit. Oh, it's not somebody.
Speaker 2:Somebody's people. Okay, rewind water. Get your extra dimension or rewind water. The dimensions have changed. There's oh, there's so many good that it would be great. It would be so good. I'm all in, we take, we take glow, fly dust and rewind water and we become fucking millionaires. That's what I do there's glow, fly dust, oh man.
Speaker 3:I might sit on that I might.
Speaker 1:I might sit and think on that one. I might write you off. So I'm like, just because I like that name glow, fly, dust and nothing else I'm going to use that in, like my D&D campaign world. That's. That's going to be a new thing. Nice, I might be in the campaign world I got to figure out what. But I like the name. I like it too much, oh man.
Speaker 4:But yeah, man, I love it.
Speaker 1:It's, yeah, it's. It's always kind of crazy to me, like I, you know, as much as I feel bad about it, like, and I do what I can to like try and like put some information out here, just be one additional voice of reason out here. You know, I'm just like I'm aware that you can't save every starfish, as they say, but I was at the very end of the day. At the very least I try to. I try to get people like Most people except for people who have entire platforms dedicated to just promoting erroneous ideologies or they're straight up just out there to make money off of this them. I'm like, nah, y'all can go kick rocks or open to shoes, like real talk.
Speaker 1:But to the people who are genuinely just kind of like don't know things, and for no real fault of their own, because America's public education system sucks and you gotta pay for college and books are expensive and they're written in languages that people don't always understand, because jargon is a real thing you know what I mean. Like I can't be that mad at people for like not knowing things. I can't be a little frustrated at people for not looking them up. So I always hope that at the end of any of my videos colloidal, silver, borax, any of them that people are like maybe I should just look things up, you know if you're one of those people, if it's one of those people, if the person watching it is like is one of those people that was considering it or had used it or at some point it was like not really aware of it.
Speaker 1:It's like I hope that my videos at the very least give people the sensation that, like yo, I could just look something up, like I could just kind of like look into this actually on my own and like at least just have a more informed opinion, because, at the very least, like, when people get fall down, these like information silos, the information rabbit holes, like it, if there's, if there's a foothold that was made earlier on, even if they were just like briefly introduced to the idea that, like yo, wait, hold up, there are some people who disagree with this and they have legitimate disagreements. I feel like that at the very least can help get people to stop being like that. You know what I mean, because these people vote oh.
Speaker 2:I think if you have stopped one person from taking colloidal silver and holes or drinking cleaning products, I think you have done a very good job. I mean, I'll call that a victory. I'll call that a win any day of the week, yeah.
Speaker 1:No, I know Real talk. I mean, every time I get a comment that's like I wish you were my teacher, or thank you so much for the information, I'm like that's why I do this. That is the main reason why I keep doing this, because trying to get this PhD is is sucking a lot of the life out of me.
Speaker 2:I don't have a life time to do that's why you need glow, fly dust and rewind water. They'll help get you through what this is, bro Well, I think you got to at least tell people where all your social media things were to find you at the end. So people remember, so they can go look up how to not take borax.
Speaker 1:Right. So fortunately all of my socials have the same handle at Kim Thug C, H E M T H U G. That is Kim truly humbled under God.
Speaker 3:I still can't do that with a straight face.
Speaker 1:That was most ridiculous to cut out of her. But yeah, at Kim Thug I am on YouTube trying to grow the platform there Definitely appreciate any subscribers over there. I am still on tic tac and also on Instagram. I mean, if you really appreciate, if you watch my stuff and you appreciate what I do, I definitely appreciate a coffee and yeah, you know I definitely you can. You can try and DM me. I cannot promise that I will be able to answer any, any particular question somebody sends me, but you know I do make an effort and I do mine that for content.
Speaker 1:So you know, like there was that video on chemical structures that somebody asked for and I actually had a lot of fun with that one because I've wanted to explain chemical structures and nomenclature to people for a long time because I feel like it's very easy to actually understand. And then once you know it, it's like yo wait, like I know a thing now. You know what I mean. Like I love knowledge that like is actionable. You know what I mean. We're like you teach somebody something and they can go and like do something. It's like, yeah, you might have to like intentionally go like crack a chemistry textbook to find some molecules to look at. But you can do it now, right, like you couldn't do that before you know something.
Speaker 4:But yeah, I know what channel I'm going to be phishing while I edit this.
Speaker 2:Well, I just went on to YouTube and and subscribe to Ken Thug on yeah, on YouTube. So you go do that. It takes you a second, it helps us, helps out and you can maybe learn something. Learn some stuff about chemistry, which he actually makes it fun, because I'm going to tell you, I've taken chemistry multiple times and I usually do not have fun.
Speaker 4:I won't lie to you I don't have fun. So that was a pretty great episode for our 25th episode, hey right.
Speaker 1:I'm glad y'all think so. I feel like it was pretty fun.
Speaker 2:I thought it was pretty cool. I love talking about. I love talking about like just fake cures and stuff, like it's terrible and people get taken in by it, but I find it fascinating. So I enjoyed all the, all the apricot seeds and shit.
Speaker 4:On that note, it's time to announce the winners for our 25th episode giveaway and to make the draw. We have a special guest, brian Littlefield, co-owner of Jocofuel Brian.
Speaker 3:Rob, what's going on? Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 4:Well, thank you for sponsoring this giveaway.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely. We're happy to do that. We love your show and we're happy to support your listeners.
Speaker 4:That's like we are just so happy that you were able to do this and we. We've loved the idea of being able to get back to our listeners and it's great that you were able to step in and help us do that.
Speaker 2:And you should do it because we can.
Speaker 4:Okay, so let's draw us a grand prize winner here.
Speaker 3:Let's do it.
Speaker 2:Exciting Winning the big prizes.
Speaker 3:So our grand prize winner is Jason Kumar.
Speaker 4:Congrats from Harold and.
Speaker 2:Kumar go to White Castle.
Speaker 4:And so we've also got that was grand prize. You know I'll give the list out on Patreon itself. We also have a couple of smaller winners going on here.
Speaker 3:Everyone's a winner baby, skyler, bryan, oh, as long as it's not Skyler from.
Speaker 2:Breaking Bad. I don't like Skyler, I don't like that character.
Speaker 3:And Dustin Spencer Congratulations, dustin, congratulations. So our additional winners are Lisa Just Gamore, bang. Gabe Sassman, bang Eddie Gomez and Megan.
Speaker 4:Maverick Bang.
Speaker 3:All that.
Speaker 4:Congratulations to all of you.
Speaker 3:And thank you so much for listening to the podcast.
Speaker 4:you guys For real. And, of course, a huge shout out to Joggle Fuel. Thank you so much for sponsoring this.
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Speaker 2:And try the banana shake Some of them look pretty good but I swear if any of you get the banana smoothie.
Speaker 4:You're dead to me.
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Speaker 1:It's a popular one.
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Speaker 4:So that one sounds good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's like a Joggle calls it like a tiramisu in a in a bottle, and it has 95 milligrams of caffeine in every one, so it's like protein and a little bit of energy.
Speaker 2:So I'm still on banana in a bottle that one sounds really good.
Speaker 4:I might get that for myself when it ever gets back. I'm just going to like sit there refreshing the page.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 4:I'm going to go order some Thank you again for for all of this.
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Speaker 4:And another shout out to Scientific Snitch for throwing in five tubs of pre-workout.
Speaker 2:Pre-workout.
Speaker 4:Yeah, pre-workout, fancy schmancy. White chocolate, strawberry, white chocolate, raspberry I can't remember White chocolate something apparently tastes like cereal.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, but wait until chem thugs pre-workout. It's bore on free. It's got glow. Fly in it, though. Wait till you hit the gym and everyone starts staring at you Make sure you use your rewind water when you mix it up.
Speaker 1:I thought about that one earlier. Yeah, you know, like I would, I would have to look up what a pre-workout is. Like I uh, I won't pretend I benefit from a certain amount of genetic lottery. Uh, you know what I mean. Like I did, I used to work a lot when I was younger and I did a lot of manual physical labor, like in college I was a booboo, but now I'm a gym. I don't really work out.
Speaker 2:You could sell a pre-workout so well. You could sell a pre-workout, I promise you like it's all you know. Just use your chemistry background and be like. This is scientifically formulated to be the ultimate.
Speaker 4:You're really good at making up the names and stuff.
Speaker 2:So you have great names. You could use a bunch of fancy words, it doesn't matter. If they make sense, people would buy into it.
Speaker 1:No, you know there's a degree to which you know the fancier the words you use, the more people are like oh no, you clearly know what you're talking about. So if you could like, string a bunch of them together, like, without mispronouncing any.
Speaker 2:of them like and they're like, oh sure, and say it confidently All right, just, you're good, you got it. It's a little bit of a Brecca effect.
Speaker 4:Oh, bonus points if you turn it into a song and dance.
Speaker 2:Get a little jingle going. That's a whole other thing.
Speaker 1:That's a whole other thing. But you know, that was that was. That was actually kind of fun. I even go for it.
Speaker 4:He's on his way to the Arnold's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's going to be going on this weekend. I'm probably not going to go because I work, but it's right next door to me, so there's that. What is that?
Speaker 1:I don't know the Arnold.
Speaker 2:Classic, so you know.
Speaker 4:Arnold Schwarzenegger Arnold's bodybuilding stuff.
Speaker 1:Oh, like you know, I know Arnold. I thought he like, I thought after he was the gubernator he just like chilled.
Speaker 2:He has a whole event every year. Yeah, he made his own event.
Speaker 1:It's a whole bodybuilding thing and they got other events. This is how you know I don't work out.
Speaker 2:Don't tell people this part. Come to the Arnold Classic with your pre-workout, scientifically formulated to get you the best pump imaginable Right Insert fancy words here Kim Thug Brain. Oh my God, yeah, not, I have it, it's huh it's.
Speaker 1:it makes me sad but at the same time I never feel bad laughing at like you know I'm not going to be like. I think I feel bad laughing at, like the absurd things that people end up believing sometimes about, like what doesn't doesn't work for health. Like I don't know if you heard about this radon mines thing, but apparently there are people who are like going into abandoned mines that are full of radon gas for the radiation that their people you fucking read Wow, you're fuckin with me Apparently this is a thing.
Speaker 1:Like which you know people did. People didn't do that in like the 20s and like I I mean the 1920s and like the 1880s when we first kind of discovered this stuff.
Speaker 2:You mean the 2020s, because apparently they're still doing it, that's the wild thing.
Speaker 1:It's like yo, we figured this out already. Why are we going back? We already had the answer.
Speaker 2:The answer was no. I think that's a good point, though, like we always do go back to things when enough, specifically when enough time has passed that we forget that they didn't work, and enough people have lost that knowledge that that knowledge is no longer like a common knowledge thing you know.
Speaker 1:So it's like yeah, you know, like ah. And it really doesn't help that there is a non-negligible extent to which large scale pharmaceutical production does not always entirely gear itself specifically to treatment and amelioration Right.
Speaker 2:Like there are some companies.
Speaker 1:They are still trying to make money.
Speaker 3:So sometimes there's a profit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know what I mean and it's like all right, well, I get it. They go and sometimes do some shit that like maybe make you feel some type of way, but that doesn't necessarily mean that like insulin isn't bad for you. Like what through, like what you know.
Speaker 3:No, it's not bad.
Speaker 2:It's the worst. If you go on social media, it is the worst thing.
Speaker 1:I'm just like you, know you know yeah. But yeah, I was like, yeah, but yeah, there's a lot of the fun in this chapter. It's just like. How to just like.
Speaker 2:That's the thing. But with pharmaceutical companies, like, people are understandably frustrated, and when you get frustrated you turn elsewhere, and when you have enough time has gone by where you forget these things don't work. You're going to try, we're going to do bloodletting soon.
Speaker 1:It's going to come back, I guarantee you we're going to start doing it again I don't know when people are already doing it. I guarantee you people are already doing it. I guarantee you you got to get one of the best. I'm frustrated too, if I didn't live in a social life medicine country, it's like yeah it's like it's frustrating Other thing. It's like yo, like how is it just like? It's like can we talk about why people got to do this in the first place? You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like I like I'm all for laughs and jokes, ha ha, yeah, you know yuck it up and all of that, but, like I don't, you know you got to have this conversation. You can't have this conversation in good faith, meaningfully, without at least acknowledging that, like yo, it's not 100% people's fault that they end up in these situations. But we already said that. I just wanted to say it again because, like, because that's real, that's the part that makes me upset. I don't really get mad at people for, like, turning alternative medicines, especially things like you know, when people are in desperate situations, I'm like I get mad at you.
Speaker 1:When you have terminal cancer, you have children you know yeah like, yeah, like, like I said, like I said in the April God season, it was like, look, I don't have cancer, I don't think, I don't think I've lost anybody in my life from cancer, so I can't really super speak to it. But, as I said in the end, if you don't have cancer, stay the fuck away from these shits. Like don't eat them. Like why, if you like, if you, yo, look, if you, if you, if you, if you, if you at that precipice, if you on that nice edge I don't know anything about that. You got to do what you got to do. Please consult somebody else who's more knowledgeable. But, like it's everybody else out here and I'm like, yo, what are you doing? What are you doing? Like, why? But you know, I, I can't be mad at them without also being mad at the conditions that created. Yeah.
Speaker 2:When there's yeah, when it's someone who has, like, terminal cancer or some kind of terminal diagnosis, how can you get frustrated with them for looking for answers Like?
Speaker 3:you know the doctor say hey, we can't help you.
Speaker 2:There's nothing we can do, so you're gonna turn to him.
Speaker 1:Yeah, at that point, look, you gonna do what you gonna do. But what I hate is Kent Huffin and people like Kent Huffin, like people like that clown, like he's one of those people, oh you don't know the Reverend Dr Huffin?
Speaker 1:Oh Hovey, I forget how you say his name, but you wanna talk about a clown? Nah, I'll talk shit about him all day. Fuck that dude, I cannot stand him he is. You wanna talk about a misinformation panel? Ah, and what makes me the saddest about it is that he wraps it all up in some religious spirituality, which I'm like, oh God. I'm just like. Can you not please?
Speaker 3:Like ah, I'm just like ah.
Speaker 4:The entire like living water thing that's completely targeted at religious people because it's living water was a religious thing in the Bible.
Speaker 1:And it's wow, because it's like and you know that's where it's like at the end of the day. It's like a lot of this stuff perpetuates itself because there are people who can survive and make a living for themselves off of its perpetuation. You know what I mean. So like there are, you know there are means and motives for the perpetuation of this information. It's not like it just gets out there on its own and like it's. It's artificially selected for by people who benefit from its propagation, versus accurate information, which is hard to artificially select for, because even a lot of times, unfortunately, the accurate information is you can't do anything or like you need to do this other specific thing where it's very complicated and it's involved. It's not just a simple thing, you know, and it's harder to package and sell accurate information than it is to package and sell a delusion, you know, yeah, so like, oh, yeah, yo, liam, are you stuck reading about it?
Speaker 2:So he's a he's a creationist, so he's a pastor creationist. But like the first thing that you look up is just like the Huffin theory is entirely rejected in the scientific community. It's like a big, bold first result.
Speaker 1:Oh man, he's not even the worst Like he. He at some point or another he's mentioned apricot seeds. He was just the first person to come to mind. He is very much one of those people that, like he spreads oh, I think he's also like advocated for colloidal silver being useful and like usually they get.
Speaker 2:They could hop all on board. Why?
Speaker 1:not, You're not going to be like, oh no that other one doesn't work.
Speaker 2:It's just this weird one. No, all of them work. Yeah, it's just by my shit.
Speaker 1:Excuse me, oh man, like yeah, it's, it's, it is. It is kind of like a fascinating and mind boggling sort of thing to just like watch this, watch, see to, like see this happen. You know, I mean like see people get taken in by misinformation and watch them like, and then watch people like reject the accurate information.
Speaker 2:To go back to the vaccine example, you know I mean like that's, that's probably like one of the like most pernicious things, one of my one of my videos on Dr Sebi kind of found the Sebi community and I apparently I am like the most racist person ever because Dr Sebi is saving lie, he died but like he was, he cured AIDS and stuff and he's like and I get so many comments every day Like it's not meant for you, whitey, it's only black, people aren't supposed to eat meat, and and they're supposed to avoid pineapple.
Speaker 2:I'm like what are you talking? You're saying I'm the racist first. I don't what is happening. What is going on in the world.
Speaker 4:I'm just yeah, same thing happened to me when I did a Sebi video.
Speaker 2:I never thought I would get in trouble for saying black people can eat pineapple, but here we are in 2024. Here we are. This is I'm here now and I've gotten in trouble for saying black people can eat pineapple. And I'm racist because of it I think, for me it was black people are allowed to eat white rice. White rice, yeah, that's. Oh, no, no, no you can't do that.
Speaker 1:You're going to dilute the blackness.
Speaker 2:You're going to you know the removal.
Speaker 1:Look, I look I might get in some trouble for this one. Whatever, I I really don't appreciate when any marginalized community like leans on their marginalization as a reason why they should be left to like do something that is materially harmful yeah, and I mean either to themselves or others like I don't. I don't agree with that idea that, like you know, if, if what you're like I agree with the notion that you know, if you do not exist as a member of this community, then you should approach it with a certain amount of grace and space and understanding and blah, blah, blah, yada, yada yada. This is all real and very true. However, I don't think that that means that you can't go and be like yo wait, this dude is wrong. It's totally safe for y'all to eat pineapple, especially if you consider that the fundamental premise that's being purported here is that there does exist a biological difference between right black people yes, non black people and that is, you know, racist.
Speaker 2:I'm not a human and they're saying no white people, black people are different and therefore black people have to avoid these foods. I was just like what?
Speaker 1:I'm like because of the history of imperialism and colonialism, especially in the West and particularly in the US. It is actually true that black people do have certain like genetic predispositions to certain types of medical maladies and they should absolutely work with a PCP who is familiar with this fact that they want to have, like, some of the best health health outcomes they can. That is not the same as saying that you can't eat pineapple because you black.
Speaker 2:Then they make the jump to. You have to change your entire diet.
Speaker 1:That's you know, that you know, and that's that's the thing in my head where it's like, at a certain point there are people who are just like I can make money making content. So I need to figure out what content I can make. That's going to be like quick and easy engaging for people, because that's also another part of it. Right, like you wouldn't have people out here scamming people if people you know had their basic needs met you know what I mean. Like you know, you know, if people didn't have, like you know, like in a world, in a world where we legitimately have, have the technology and the capacity to produce enough food, enough nutritious whole food for everybody to have a little bit more than they actually need Maybe not the best selection of anything all the time, but a good choice of a wide variety of nutritious food. We have that capacity. We don't have the infrastructure for it and we clearly don't have the collective will to implement the infrastructure for it. But we could, we could try, we could go for it.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean. Isn't it also frustrating, though, that people fight against GMOs too? Like you, we start doing this, and they're like no GMOs, and you're like but.
Speaker 1:Yo, corn is a GMO Corn, actual plant corn. That shit doesn't occur in nature like that. Niggas make that shit from grass like what? 20,000 years ago that shit wasn't. That shit didn't just show up in the forest like that.
Speaker 2:What is it? Tio Sinte or whatever, like the ancestor of corn. If you look at it it's just got like a.
Speaker 1:Just enough for like a, for like an eight, burst up that to come through and pick off little pieces and like, if you ever went, if you ever been to like excuse me, I was going to say a Chinese food spot If you've ever been to a Chinese takeout restaurant, like one of those kind of like you know city Chinese takeout restaurants so you get those heads, one of those like those stir-forn dishes. They got those like little baby corns in there. That's what like corn, like started.
Speaker 2:I think it was worse. I think it was worse than that Like little tiny pieces on that tiny corn that you could eat, and the rest was you couldn't eat it. And so, yeah, we made it better. We made it better.
Speaker 1:Watermelons.
Speaker 2:You modified its genetics. Oh yeah, that's another one have you seen like paintings of watermelons from like the 1700s. They don't look like watermelons even today, and that was a few hundred years ago. Food is way better.
Speaker 1:It's, it's, it's like. Brussels sprouts are another perfect example. Crucifers. I absolutely yeah, I absolutely like. Here's the thing. It's like look, I'm not going to sit here and pretend, like you know, like being a critically thinking, rational human being means being skeptical of things. It means taking a moment to question stuff. But if you're going to question things, you should actually then question them. Go find, go ask the question and find the information you need.
Speaker 1:Don't just make a judgment call based on how you feel about it, because, yo, I feel bad about a whole bunch of things but I'm still like, yeah, but you know, I mean I still like. That's the way it is. That's actually the reality of things. You know what I mean. I feel bad about the fact that I'm a material being sometimes and I need to sleep and I need to eat, cause sometimes I just want to keep doing what I'm doing, but I need to sleep and I need to eat, so I go and do it. You know what I mean. It's like. You know, like, like I shutter to think of whatever. We're going to get to a point where people are going to start questioning whether or not you can put out fire with water. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like there's like there's certain fundamental things that I'm just saying.
Speaker 1:That's when they say to find fire with fire.
Speaker 2:It's like, can we do?
Speaker 1:that, but like, not the way people think, I guess I don't know, but like you know it's like. But yeah, to get back to the GMO thing, it's like I understand people being like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. This sounds kind of different and this sounds kind of wonky and it's like no, we just figured out how to vastly accelerate the process of doing something we've been doing for thousands of years, like straightening down.
Speaker 1:The only difference is that we figured out how to do this by shooting a laser or something. I forget exactly how they do it, but it's like. It's like some kind of like impact specific thing, like at least it used to be one of the ways where they would like switch out the gene is like straight up, just like firing pieces of genome at the DNA and so something stuck, I think, or something like that. I'm probably wrong about that. Please fact check that, but like it's still faster than like all right, well, this, this plant got a little bigger than the other one, so we're not we're going to kill that one and we go on, we're going to go with this one.
Speaker 2:And then next year we'll see my great great grandson will enjoy the profits of me deciding to pick this plant.
Speaker 1:You know, and it's like and and and like. I feel like there is very much a degree to which people have like a sense, like people have like an I don't want to go too much into like the wishy-washy mysticism of it, but like I feel like there's absolutely degree to which people recognize that the profit motive that drives most of our societal organization is fundamentally fucking with our access to quality meet, like quality goods and services. You know, like there comes a point where you can do something to make money only up until a point, because inevitably you reach a point where doing it the way that it like really would need to be done for the sake of it being done becomes not profitable. So you kind of have to make a choice Are you going to make money doing this or are you just trying to do this and do it well? And I feel like just, it's just. I mean, why wouldn't you just choose to make money if the profit motive is what you know kind of drives our current social organization?
Speaker 4:You know what I mean. So like In Canada we currently have a bill for a basic universal income going through parliament and I'm really hoping it goes through.
Speaker 1:I mean, yo, it's a step in the right direction. You know what I mean. It's absolutely a step in the right direction because, yeah, I mean like, consider, like, how, like, the gains we've had in productivity technology over the last 20 years roughly lets one person do the job of three people 20 years ago and nowadays you have people doing the job of two people with all this productivity technology, it's like why, why, why, for what? Why, like, actually, why Because people, because profit became the point at some point, at some point. That's why people start doing stuff and that's that. That. That in, I think, in a lot of instances. I'm not going to go and say all right, because that's a little while. There are definitely companies and organizations out there that are able to sustain themselves while still turning a quality product and not resorting to dubious practices.
Speaker 2:But those are never going to be the companies that really make it.
Speaker 1:That's my point, that's my point. Eventually those companies get bought.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, or they just stay very small At the best case scenario, that's that's exactly.
Speaker 1:That's the best case scenario you could hope for, because I can't tell you how many times I've been out here looking for a brand that I like, loved, and then all of a sudden I'm like where'd it go? What happened when? What I gone? I'm in this. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Because it is the drive of the company to make. That is, the sole drive is to make money, and if it's not, then it's not going to make it in the industry we're currently in. It's just, it's not going to happen.
Speaker 1:No, it's not going to be so true. That's why I was like you know, I was like I was saying earlier, like I understand I really hope I'm using this word correctly I'm a feel, since I've waved, I'm not, I feel like I should just go Google it, but I'm pretty sure, and this like, very, very like idealistic, quixotic view of the world, you know what I mean Like a lot of what we do now to me just doesn't make sense. But I accept and understand how we got to where we are and I, just, I, just I pray to whatever higher powers there may be that there is a pathway out of this shit, because we're not doing well right now.
Speaker 4:No, we're not.
Speaker 1:You know, but I feel like this idea of like people, like this idea of like profit, the profit motive, I feel like a lot more people are like aware of this idea. They're like yo, people are just kind of out here trying to make money and I feel like a lot more people are kind of aware of that and keyed into that and for that reason in particular, you got a lot more people out here being like nah, you can't trust these companies, you can't trust these businesses. And a lot more people buying into that Cause they're like yeah, they just put this in your food to make extra money and they don't have to give you this and that you know.
Speaker 2:So I'm like ah yeah, no, Quixotic, exceedingly idealistic, unrealistic and impractical Word. Okay, it took me a second to spell it. I didn't know how to spell it.
Speaker 1:It's like yeah, I'm pretty sure that's more or less Like yeah, I'll be quick to admit it, like I know that what I'm talking about is a very much like a kind of perfect world scenario.
Speaker 3:But I don't think that we couldn't get there.
Speaker 1:I just think that we don't, you know, those who have the ability to steer society in that direction have a material benefit in it. Yeah, they have a material benefit for it to not be that so Right which?
Speaker 2:I do, and that's why I get like some of these people, like I get where you're coming from, like where they're talking about these companies and the shit they do. I'm like, oh yeah, no, like Nestle and shit, they're terrible, like they're awful. Yo, nestle is the worst. They're an awful company. I totally agree with you. What? But?
Speaker 4:if you drink water from.
Speaker 2:Nestle, it's not gonna kill you Like you know?
Speaker 1:that's what I'm saying. Yeah, although in a weird tantrum to like kind of butterfly effect way, it might kill some, like indigenous person in the community who doesn't have water anymore, that's what I say, like if you choose not to drink it, that's totally cool, like I'm fine with you choosing to avoid those products from these companies.
Speaker 1:But at the same time, it's like well, you know what the fuck am I going to do if I need fucking water and I live somewhere where, you know, the groundwater is like I think the state of Arizona just lets people like drill like unlimited, well, unlimited, like as many personal wells as they want, and this practice has led to like foundational issues in the soil. So a lot of the state is actually becoming like not livable Fact check, please. Fact check that. But I'm pretty certain that I've read about this somewhere from a like very reputable source that, like this is becoming an issue.
Speaker 1:If it's not Arizona, it's like New Mexico or Nevada, one of those states out there, one of them desert states, you know, but like, oh, like I, you know what are you gonna do? Like, at a certain point it's like, what are you gonna do? You know, it's like it's not, like we do not exist in a world anymore where people can just, like you know, fuck off to the West and like homestead you know what I mean Like you're not just about to dip out to the woods. You know what I mean, being mountain man a little bit of a man, unfortunately.
Speaker 2:Oh good old days, right of course.
Speaker 1:Good old dysentery.
Speaker 2:I miss cholera, good old cholera.
Speaker 4:I think Liam would survive about five minutes.
Speaker 2:I. That's because I take myself out. I feel like this is not worth living. I don't want to live in this world. I'm gone, I'm out.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, yeah, not like I. Just it's just like I won't pretend like I haven't done, like I haven't participated in my fair share of what is it of a ideal romanticization of, like you know, the homesteader life. But I mean, I'm going camping a couple of times, right, like I enjoyed it, knowing that it was going to end. It was fun.
Speaker 2:Hold on, wait a second, that's a little different. It's a little different.
Speaker 4:And then there's me. I've spent like a third of my life camping.
Speaker 1:Nah man it's dope, like don't get me wrong, like I enjoy it and I definitely hope to do to camp, to go to spend more time, actually like camping and like hiking and actually like being outdoors again.
Speaker 3:When you ever come up to.
Speaker 1:Alberta.
Speaker 4:I will show you the mountains and all the great camps and spots and everything.
Speaker 1:Dude, that might actually. That's pretty sick, and here's where we keep all the transphobic people.
Speaker 3:They're all together we keep them in Calgary, Yo. That's a whole other thing.
Speaker 1:I can't. I just can't with people with that shit, man, that shit, just like I ain't. Look, I got no skin in that game. I ain't got no skin in that game whatsoever. I think like I nah, nah, I like like no one in my family that I'm aware of, no one in my like really close friend circle that I'm aware of, is like a member of the trans community specifically, I do not understand people who have issues with trans people.
Speaker 2:I don't understand trans.
Speaker 1:no, I understand, no, sorry.
Speaker 2:I understand transphobia because I understand that bigotry is a thing generally, but like I say, I don't understand what lets you to understand that bigotry is a thing.
Speaker 3:Cause I'm black in America. Dawg come on. Oh wait, right.
Speaker 2:I totally forgot. You're a company. You're a stuff you deal with every day.
Speaker 1:I'm just like oh yeah, that's right, people just go and do this. But I'm just like yo, wait, cause it's like it's one of them things where I'm like yo, this is entirely not your business. Like this is like, like it's one of those things that's like you have to be like. Like. This is not a perfect analogy and maybe I shouldn't say this, but I'm gonna go for it anyway, cause I think it illustrates part of what I'm saying, where I'm like how absurd this is right. I can't really hide that I'm black, right? Like, if I'm walking down the street, you don't really have to look at me really hard to be like oh, that's a black dude, right. But I feel like you have to like really be trying to like find trans people. You know what I mean. Like you really gotta be out here.
Speaker 2:Like, oh no, you like you over there, Let me see your papers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, like I'm like you know, I'm just like and that's what I mean when it's like yo, this is like a ridiculous thing to be worried about.
Speaker 2:I mean think about it, think back to gay marriage. Remember when, like I, mean it still is like gay marriages a debate, but when they have problems with gay people, it was an attack on traditional marriage. You can't come from a place of aggressiveness. You have to be the defender, no matter what it is. So even if you are saying gay marriages is a sin or whatever, you have to come from a defensive place. So they're attacking traditional marriage. That's what they're doing and I'm defending it. It's always that the religious people are always interesting.
Speaker 4:I added that everyone is welcome here, signed to my videos in the background with all the trans stuff going on in Alberta and at the like the first video I made with that, somebody commented you should take the flag down and return to the light. I'm like I'm pretty sure, yeah, I'm pretty sure, like it states in the Bible somewhere that everyone is welcome in God's place or church in Nino. And so I literally have a sign saying everyone is welcome. I'm pretty sure I'm following your Bible better than you are.
Speaker 2:No, you just need to add the verse Josiah 316,. Whoever the fuck is this? I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 4:I don't know, I'm just saying.
Speaker 3:Josiah 316.
Speaker 1:No, because then they're going to tell you you got the wrong version of the Bible.
Speaker 1:They're going to tell you you don't have the King James version, or you don't have the Agamemnon version or something. There's like a bunch of different versions of it. You know what I mean. So, like you know, there's a degree. Like you know, liam, like kind of to your point earlier, dog, like you know, there are some people that really is no winning with. There are some people who are so far down that rabbit hole, so far down that echo chamber and I think to like what is it? Plato's allegory of the cave? Is that the one where, like you know, the dude's like sitting in a cave, or people are sitting?
Speaker 2:in a cave Just staring at the shadows.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and all you see is the shadows and it's like you know, and all of a sudden they, you know, they get thrust out into the world. It's like yo, where the shadows at Like what, what you mean?
Speaker 2:I don't like this. What's all this green shit, like you know exactly.
Speaker 1:You know that's that, that shit is real. Oh, so it's like huh, huh but you know, hey look, I think that's literally a big chunk of why the three of us do the things that the three of us do on the internet.
Speaker 3:Really, yeah, because yo trying to do our tiny little part out there, our tiny, almost insignificant part, but we'll reach some people, as many people as we can.
Speaker 4:And hey, we're making Bobby go crazy, every bucket of water is full of drops.
Speaker 1:Every bucket of water is full of drops.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I saw that she was. He was roasting this, this, this Bobby dude, recently. Yeah, I literally just like binged, like all the videos that you posted on YouTube, but like, but, gentlemen, I think we had scheduled this for like an hour and it's been nearly two. Yeah, I got it Perfect.
Speaker 2:Hey, wasn't that a great time. Listen to the podcast. You were just I'm assuming you knew or you were just listening to in moderation. So if you go ahead and hit the five star button, is that a thing?
Speaker 4:The light button, that's a thing, the light button on YouTube, if you're on YouTube hit the like button.
