In Moderation
Providing health, nutrition and fitness advice in moderate amounts to help you live your best life.
Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
In Moderation
Food, Fun, and Body Positivity: Navigating Nutrition with Momma Cusses
What if the foods you've labeled as "good" and "bad" are actually sabotaging your relationship with eating? Join us as we unravel the mysteries of food, nutrition, and body positivity with the ever-charming Mama Cusses. We begin with a nostalgic musical reference to keep you guessing before diving into Mama Cusses' unique journey from casual content creation to becoming a voice in the food and nutrition space. Her entertaining cook-off challenges with Tori Phantom get a special mention as we lament how TikTok's algorithm has shifted. You'll hear about practical healthy food swaps, like sneaking zucchini noodles into your spaghetti, and the importance of making changes out of self-love.
How do you foster a healthy relationship with food and body image in your kids while still grappling with your own struggles? This episode doesn't shy away from the tough questions. We discuss the significance of representation and the necessity of hearing from people of all body sizes. Mama Cusses shares valuable insights on using the right language to cultivate a positive food culture and understanding the genetic factors that influence body weight. We also explore effective strategies for talking to children about food, stressing a balanced viewpoint on nutritional foods versus indulgent treats.
Ever wonder why you can't stop munching on carrots or why chocolate feels like an instant mood lifter? We tackle quirky food obsessions and the humorous side effects of overconsumption, all while emphasizing the importance of a balanced diet. From the benefits of protein for muscle building to the pitfalls of 90s diet culture, we cover it all with plenty of laughs. We share our thoughts on the challenges and misconceptions around dietary aids like semaglutide and apple cider vinegar, and the frustrating misinformation spread by popular media. Tune in for an enlightening yet entertaining conversation that promises to leave you with a fresh perspective on food and nutrition.
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Mama didn't mean to make you cuss If. I'm not home again in time for bedtime? Don't ground me, don't ground me. Or my social life is over Our Gen Z listeners are going to have no idea what you just did. They're going to be so confused, that's okay. Leave them confused. They'll come back for more, right? That's how it works.
Speaker 3:Hopefully we have enough of a slightly older audience. They're like oh yay, good reference.
Speaker 1:I get it. Oh no, people are just going to be like, oh my God, what's this singing?
Speaker 3:Turn it off Singing podcast Anyway. Oh my god, what's this singing? Turn it off. Not singing podcasts anyway, that makes sense. But you know we we got mama cusses on the podcast we just last week. We're like you know who we should get, you know who we should get on the podcast and then you know who we got who. I just said how you doing over there I'm doing fantastic.
Speaker 2:How are you guys?
Speaker 3:just laid back. It's like we're recording at like nine o'clock Eastern time, so we're all just very chilled out and just ready to talk about what. Who knows.
Speaker 1:I'm still pretty sure that's the morning for Liam still.
Speaker 3:Listen, I go to bed at like seven in the morning, okay, I wake up like three, four in the afternoon. It's not good for my health, it's terrible. Zero stars don't recommend, but it's my life and this is what I do Anywho. So, yeah, you know. So I want to. I kind of just wanted to start off and get into it. Well, did you recently start doing videos about like food and nutrition? Or you've been doing that like all along, like what's the deal?
Speaker 2:I've been doing that all along. I think the change, the reason they sort of caught, is I was doing recipe videos for a long time. Okay, quick and easy meals, like all right, I'm not worried about the nutrition, just more. Look, we fed the fucking kids I like it um, but that is best, as I have been on my own. I I'm gonna use a term that I I hate, I hate it. I've been on my own health journey the health journey.
Speaker 3:I thought you were gonna say moist. That's usually what people seem to hate I, I, I'm a. I'm a fan of moist uh okay, good, whenever I mention it is a canadian band that if you've not listened, to go listen. Oh, I did not. Is is that true? Because that seems like something you could make up very easily the uh.
Speaker 1:The head man for it is david usher.
Speaker 3:He is one of canada's best artists interest, but they named their band moist, that's what they mean.
Speaker 1:They named their band moist, yep that is see I have.
Speaker 2:I have a theory about moist. Moist isn't actually a good thing. The word may make people uncomfortable, but it things that are supposed to be moist are good moist cake right it's. Food, right it's when it's when things get damp.
Speaker 3:That's a problem right disgusting you know, yeah, when you're like sweating a lot, you're like I'm moist, I'm damp, I'm damp my socks are damp.
Speaker 2:I mean, just think about wearing damp socks. That's horrifying.
Speaker 3:Nobody wants that moist socks sounds much better.
Speaker 2:It sounds like they were in like one of those warmers you know, like some sort of spa, yeah, yeah a moist, a moist towelette or a damp towel. Which one do you?
Speaker 3:want I still. I, I listen, I have no problems with moist, but I'm sure some people right now are cringing outside of their bodies.
Speaker 2:Your drop-off rate is going to be insane, I know right at the beginning.
Speaker 3:I'm not listening to this one. Fuck that. See you later. I'll come back when you're not talking about that horrific word. Anyway, where were we? I don't remember. You were making recipe videos, I was making recipe videos.
Speaker 2:Actually, I had a whole cook-off with tori phantom and we did the most ridiculous things. We would give each other three ingredients that had nothing to do with each other and our task would be to essentially chopped, kitchen it and make an edible dish. It was fantastic, it was a lot of fun, um, and then tiktok, tiktok all over it and just stopped showing it to anyone ever. But as as I've been, as I've been losing weight and loving myself more about it not because I've lost weight you can't hate yourself into change but as I've been losing weight people have noticed and they're like what are you doing? I was like I don't know. Um, I like protein.
Speaker 3:Tis the year of fiber it is the year of fiber. Yes, we need to mention that on every episode I uh.
Speaker 2:Look, my eggs have always been my comfort food, so I'm just leaning into it now that's.
Speaker 3:I've never heard of that as a comfort food for people, but that's because it's not a comfortable food.
Speaker 2:It's disgusting, but I like. That's because it's not a comfortable food.
Speaker 3:It's disgusting, but I like it, there's very few. There's worse things to fall into than eggs. Oh, I can't stop eating them. That's great. So, yeah, you've just been doing it for a while because it seems like recently, like I don't know, you did one video that was like fucking hey, fitness, fitness influencers, stop calling shit, other shit. Essentially like I hate that.
Speaker 2:I hate it. I'm a big fan of swaps. I absolutely go halfsies on most of the time. If we have spaghetti, my kids just know that half of those noodles are going to be zucchini noodles. When I make chili, I add cauliflower rice because it just blends in with everything. Cauliflower doesn't taste like anything when you add it to stuff right, especially make it small enough, right yeah um, and so they. They just know that that's that's going to be in it. We have broccoli sprinkles with everything right, I've heard people saying sprinkles I like that.
Speaker 3:You know, you just had some sprinkles, you just cut off the, the very ends of it.
Speaker 2:I. I steam the rest of the stem and feed it to my dogs. But I'll just cut off the very ends and so we can sprinkle it on stuff and we're getting all of the nutrition benefits. And even the diehards are like, well, you ruin it If you cook it, you don't? Um, they can't even complain. Like I am feeding my kids raw broccoli, shove it.
Speaker 3:Oh gosh, um. But yeah, in that video you're like yeah, you can't do a one, you can't say like um, you know, a sweet potato is not a cake or some shit like that, you know. And I got just tagged like a hundred times like at least. So I was like okay, let me do this one. And then you did another video talking about you know, like, um, uh, teaching kids having you know having kids and having good food versus bad food. That's what is good food. What has been, you know, trying to?
Speaker 2:and part of that is what I do with my content. Is I very much set out to? Uh, I want to be the resource that I wished I'd had when I chose to parent my children differently than how I was raised.
Speaker 3:Right, I like that yeah.
Speaker 2:And so much of what I have struggled with is I am and I say without shame or judgment, I am a fat person. How do I raise my children with a healthier relationship with both food and their bodies, when I myself am still driving that struggle bus? And so I figured, if you know, I've got these really good concepts. Um, I know it's working. Um, I know it is effective because I hear people like you to say all the time yeah, this, this is how I communicate, this is what we talk about in actual science communities. This is what we talk about in actual training communities.
Speaker 2:Um, okay, so I'm using the right language, but it feels really important that people see a fat person also say these it doesn't diminish when straight size, when healthy, when fit. People say these things, but there's something, there's some power behind it. When you were also a fat, hearing a fat say you can have a good relationship with food even if you've got more weight on your frame than you would prefer or is arguably healthy, Because some of us do have way too much weight on our frame and it is coming at the cost of our health. Others of us have what people perceive as too much weight on our frame. But our doctors are like nah, you're good yeah.
Speaker 3:But you know, also I'd love to like kind of get into the what you talked about in that video, because I think it was really great. But also I just want to mention before that I do see that a lot from people who say they were in a weight loss journey and they lost a bunch of weight, lost 100 plus pounds, something like that. When somebody else has that much to lose, it's helpful to, I think, hear things from them like this helped me. This is what kind of worked for me. So, like it's always, it is kind of a struggle for me. Like you know, they're like I've always been like the fucking twig, holy shit. Like I was one hundred and like thirty pounds at like six foot two, like in high school, you know, just like got made fun of for that.
Speaker 1:So I know I don't, definitely didn't play on the football team.
Speaker 3:Oh, holy shit, I have sports, my God. I know I've said a bunch of times the only time I ran was by pressing a like that's literally. I was not an athlete at all, lanky and awkward as shit, but yeah, like I don't know what it's. You know, I don't know what it's like. And it's like when I, when I talk about food, you know like I try and just give general recommendations, but I'm like, listen me, I could just eat like only processed foods and I'd probably still remain my same weight, just because that's my genetics. So much Like it's not it's. You know, your body weight isn't solely determined by your genetics, but it plays a major factor.
Speaker 3:It's also determined by how much you shout, I assume, the amount of energy I burn through all that stuff. But then, you know, tiktok drives me to that, so it's not really here nor there and so like that. So it's not really here nor there, and so, like, I think it's nice to hear from other people who are, you know, in different size bodies so that they can have add their perspective on it. You know, yeah, um, but yeah, I would love to get into the what you were talking about, like the good food versus the bad food, like how you describe that to your kids. I think people should if they haven't watched that video. It's like the top video pinned to my profile. People really liked that one. So, like, you know, I'd love to get into that.
Speaker 2:We we have good food and bad food in the house, Absolutely, and good food is anything that is safe to eat. Bad food is food that is spoiled, rotten, uh you're allergic to, or you, you genuinely dislike I genuinely dislike tomatoes. That's a bad food for me.
Speaker 3:What about ketchup?
Speaker 2:I don't. I don't like ketchup.
Speaker 3:Okay. Um anything tomato related, tomato soup.
Speaker 2:No, no, I am, I am anti tomato. I I am to a point now where, after as long as I have existed on planet earth, particularly in America, where, like, ketchup is lifeblood- to many, many people ketchup and ranch, it looks like blood.
Speaker 3:You can just mix them. I'm sure it's fine. Don't worry about it.
Speaker 2:I am to a point now where if I'm served something with tomatoes, I'll like pick off the ones I can see like real, real sly and then like I can eat it it, but I'm not going to be happy about it and I'm probably going to go get taco bell not even like salsa, like you can't even do, like a salsa. I will do salsa sometimes that's fair.
Speaker 2:Okay, now we feel better, now we're good um, no, but but good food and bad food are one of the things that really fucked with my head as a kid and for so many people like that's the thing I hear all the time like they still struggle with years and years later yeah, well, and, and you know, I grew up. I grew up in the 90s, so heroin chic was in. Uh, jenny craig was everyone's bestie.
Speaker 3:Uh, we had snack wells and hundred calorie packs.
Speaker 2:I remember the snack well, like the cookies, I'd eat a bunch of those that I really like, oh yeah, and then we all had the hershey squirts after, because I mean it was basically oil and and like aspartame which does not do good things for your bowel, by the way, it just doesn't. Don't combine those things. Do you remember those stupid oleo chips?
Speaker 3:yes, okay, so elestra, I think like there's a less. So if yeah, elestra basically makes you malabsorb fat, so like it, you know, binds to it and you can't absorb it in your digestive system. But that still has to go somewhere it can't just disappear and you're so.
Speaker 3:Basically, you would just poop out the fat, like you just have these really fatty poops which people for some reason didn't like. It doesn't make sense to me, but whatever, To each their own. But what was so strange to me about that? I don't want to get too much into it, but they were like make sure you follow a low-fat diet with this. But in the commercials they were always like I just sprinkle it on my pizza and I am fine. I'm like that. No, these two things are conflicting. Please do not just put it.
Speaker 1:Oh gosh and especially don't do it right before you run a marathon oh, or maybe do it. Kind of depends on just lean into it, yeah are you running because you're a masochist?
Speaker 2:I'm quite convinced many people who are running because they are masochist tommy, we've talked.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we talked last week with tommy. He's a. He got into running and god bless him.
Speaker 2:I, I love that for him. One of those ultra marathoners I don't think.
Speaker 3:No, his wife got him into it and he's doing more marathons and he's getting into upper like the, the more marathon I don't know what the fucking other marathons running long run.
Speaker 1:He puts one foot in front of the other really fast and that's all we know.
Speaker 3:Long run bad, long run bad me.
Speaker 2:No, like that's my take on the whole situation see I, I I have a love-hate relationship with running um. First, I blew my knee playing tennis in high school, so that's never been the same.
Speaker 1:Never is.
Speaker 2:But running, being the size that I am and having lost the weight that I've lost, it's difficult to track. But if you were to do a deep scroll into my content, you could see when I was probably at my largest, near 350 pounds.
Speaker 2:I'm now down below 290, which is still a lot on the frame, but when you lose a lot of weight 60 pounds of yeah, that's, yeah, you have you have loose skin, and so now, when I try to run um, my entire torso is just giving me a round of applause the whole time, which is both encouraging and horrifying so I try not to run in the former. That does not sound um, it's disturbing, it's not okay. So it makes you really self-conscious.
Speaker 3:Have you found other? You know maybe some alternatives that don't?
Speaker 2:basically, if I would, just if I would stop trying to run on the treadmill in my regular clothes, if I would put on my proper compression work here, it would be fine. But I'm lazy and look bitches, I'm on the treadmill in my regular clothes. If I would put on my proper compression work here, but I'm lazy and look bitches, I'm on the fucking treadmill, all right I'm lazy before I work out, isn't it?
Speaker 3:listen? I go to my gym and I park in the closest spot and I get out and I look at myself and I'm like, who am I? Why I'm going to the gym and I park and I made sure I got the one that was six feet closer, like why is yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Do you egg the car if they take your parking spot? Egg the car. What am I just carrying around random?
Speaker 3:eggs with me. I'm not Mama Cusses here, I don't just carry around eggs.
Speaker 1:You don't carry around eggs to just egg a car when it's in your parking spot.
Speaker 3:I'm assuming maybe you carry hard-boiled eggs.
Speaker 1:All the things I've been told about America are wrong.
Speaker 2:What is going on in Canada Too much. Is that why eggs are so expensive there in 2021?
Speaker 1:Yes, that's exactly why eggs are so expensive. This is why.
Speaker 3:I ignore Canada completely and just I assume they're America minus or something.
Speaker 2:I don't know America minus.
Speaker 1:America minus America plus lava, you mean Gosh.
Speaker 3:But yeah, I mean so, yes, so you got the foods. You know, moldy foods, rotten foods, Rotten foods, those are bad foods.
Speaker 2:Instead, what we do is we have categories that help us decide what the value is for us. All food has value. All food is fuel. Um you, there are respected studies of people who ate nothing but hostess and KFC and McDonald's. And done well paying attention to macros, paying attention to caloric intake.
Speaker 3:They lost weight.
Speaker 2:Their blood pressure was better, their cholesterol was not higher, so all food has value. Now did he feel like absolute shit and was constantly hungry.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, you're not getting satiety yeah. I mean if you're just eating simple sugars and fats all day like Ooh tasty. Now I'm hungry 10 minutes later and I just sit here and wait.
Speaker 2:So we categorize things as things that are good for our body, and that is the high nutrition, the dense nutrition, all the things that we count about the macros how much fiber is in it, how much protein is in it, how much refined sugar is in it Things that are good for our bodies, and I will elaborate. My kids are currently obsessed with carrots.
Speaker 3:I'm concerned they're going to turn orange because I told them carrots help, you see in the dark.
Speaker 3:Well, I will say so. I did a video on this keratinemia, which is the buildup when you get excess, when you turn into Trump, when you turn a little orange. Yeah Well, the thing I was like this sounds interesting, I kind of want to try it. But then I looked into it and it only well, not only happens, it happens more prominently in places where skin is thicker, so like the palms of your hands, the bottoms of your feet, anywhere where skin is thicker, so like the palms of your hands, the bottoms of your feet, anywhere where skin is thicker, and I was like, oh, now I'm not so sure, I just wanted a lovely hue without all the sun, but now I don't know.
Speaker 3:And plus, I mean I think you have to eat like 10 carrots, like 10 large carrots, a day roughly, for that to happen. But anyway, yeah.
Speaker 2:So hey, if they love carrots, I mean, and I'm sure there's a lot of things you could do with that, Like you can add, you know, hummus or whatever. Absolutely they will eat. Man, if I hand them a carrot stick, they will try just about any dip or sauce, the only way they agree to hummus is with carrots.
Speaker 2:Something is magical about the combination of carrots and hummus um a pita chip? Absolutely not. This is not how we consume hummus carrot only. All right, you know what? I'm not gonna be mad, eat it up, kids, um, so that those are things that are good for our body. We discuss how protein is really good for building muscles. My son is obsessed with the hulk, so every time he's like I don't want to finish my chicken. Well, you don have to if your body is telling you you're full. But all of that, that chicken, that's muscle. And when you eat that it helps you grow your muscles.
Speaker 3:And if you want to be big and strong like the Hulk, yeah, or if you have a kid from the forties you could talk about Popeye, like you could bring up all sorts of which which, weirdly, he ate spinach, which isn't really going to do much for muscle building so I mean real regular spinach does is actually like what? 50 protein or something like it's. Maybe I think it's over 50 protein.
Speaker 1:It does actually have a lot of protein.
Speaker 3:It actually you would need to consume so much of it I mean so that I hear that a lot from like, especially like vegan community is like broccoli has more protein per calorie than beef and it's like yes, it's also gonna make me fart for the next three days, so how much?
Speaker 3:broccoli are you gonna eat? I mean, a serving of broccoli is like 45 calories and like four or five grams of protein. Are you gonna eat 500 calories of just broccoli? You probably wouldn't. That wouldn't go so well. So yeah, so I like that protein. I'm sure you talk about fiber and know we talk about calcium.
Speaker 2:We talk about the micronutrients like this this is what all this is good for. So if if it's one of those sort of the Internet's not going to get mad at me if I tell them that I fed my kids this, that's probably a food that's good for your body. Like that's a terrible litmus test, but it's valid in some ways. And then we have foods that are good for our brains. So those are things that a lot of people would consider treats. In old school language it'd be the bad food.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the junk foods.
Speaker 2:So chips and candies and junk foods.
Speaker 2:Those are good for our brain. And again, with the science, there's really good science that the amount of serotonin and dopamine people will dump into their own systems when they are offered a favorite comfort food. If they're a chocoholic and they're like would you like this small piece of hershey bar man, all the good feelings just flood your gray matter. So many good happy chemicals are like yes, I want the chocolate. Um, so why, why would we? If food is fuel, all food fuels something and if there's very little nutritive value to the food, it's probably giving you good happy chemicals in your brain. Yeah, and again, moderation is key. We we're not going to have tons and tons of it, but we're also not going to demonize things. Well, it's not making me stronger, okay, but it's making you happy. Good God, have some joy.
Speaker 3:I think um a lot of these like kind of grocery store walkers have just eliminated.
Speaker 2:joy Like they kind of just get rid of that.
Speaker 3:And then everything becomes like has to have a purpose Like why do you eat this? Cause I like it. No, that's not a good reason.
Speaker 2:It is your fault. I walked into my Walmart and I saw a man in basketball shorts and no shoes and I immediately went oh my God, he's going to be bitching. I think he was just hanging out Like. I think that's just the outfit he chose for his Walmart outing today. But like it was my instinct to like, should I punch him. Do I need?
Speaker 3:to follow him around and just wait for him to say really stupid shit and just like donkey, kick the balls. Is he going gonna complain about seed oils, like what's going?
Speaker 2:on so and then, and then. There's this magical third category, which is good tide pods they're so colorful um, it's good for both so for us favorite foods and it's good for both. So for us favorite foods and that's not true for everyone we really, really love frozen grapes, rolled and Kool-Aid.
Speaker 3:I've seen this. I people have been tagging me in these sorts of videos that I I've been meaning to try.
Speaker 2:I'm not a huge fan of them. Um, for, for best impact, you use the, the Kool-Aid that doesn't have the sugar already in it. Um, yeah, I I. Even when I do that, I still sprinkle just a little bit of Stevia or Splenda in there, because it's spinach or broccoli, sorry, broccoli broccoli sprinkles, broccoli, sprinkle.
Speaker 2:Um, it's too tart for me personally, but I don't like sour things, so that's not surprising. If you like sour things, straight up Kool-Aid on grapes and then shove them in the freezer, that's fantastic. Um, my kids are currently obsessed with yogurt pops, which is literally. I bought a freezer mold for uh uh popsicles and I just fill it with yogurt sometimes if I'm feeling bougie, what's?
Speaker 3:your yogurt of choice, I'll shove some real fruit in there too.
Speaker 2:Hey, guy like what's your?
Speaker 3:what's your yoga? I'm a. I'm a. I'm what they call a yogurt connoisseur, you know, like they have somalias, I'm a yogurt a so what kind?
Speaker 1:of yogurt.
Speaker 2:So I, I typically feed my kids, uh, chobani. Uh, we prefer Greek. Um, but right now, when I it happened to be on sale and I am a sale chaser, it's just Dan, and it's just the regular boring stuff we've had forever. That's what's in the freezer right now. I'm actually very, very, very sad. Um, that's what's in the freezer right now. I'm actually very, very, very sad On two fronts. I used to love yogurt and then I got pregnant with my first child and I lost it and the pregnancy hormones messed with. I never, I cannot stand yogurt. It tastes disgusting to me.
Speaker 2:And, like I know, it's good.
Speaker 3:You know it's funny my wife got when she was pregnant she hated yogurt, like she loved yogurt, like she loved yogurt before, hated yogurt. And now she's back to it like she'll she'll eat it again. So she got it back. But yeah, she also really didn't like yogurt. That the smell of it even just yes, it was.
Speaker 2:It was the smell there's. It's probably just because it's, it's a, it's a sour milk, I mean it's it's culture, science behind it.
Speaker 3:We'll call it just it's, there's science, who knows?
Speaker 2:there's, there's some reason. But yeah, I just I never got yogurt back and then most recently, I'm not. I'm not gonna lambast anything because it's working for many people. I was one of the people who I went on some aglitude and I did not do well interesting.
Speaker 3:Yeah, what was your experience with it?
Speaker 2:I have my own gastroporosis oh yeah, yep, so it did not go well, and I I know that the internet's full of well. You could no, no, I was fully made aware that these were potential side effects for taking some when I am not a diabetic, I'm not a pre-diabetic, um it was. It was, uh, an attempt at helping myself control the food noise.
Speaker 3:Um, it's always been a challenge.
Speaker 2:It's a challenge for a lot of people who are plus size, but I it did not. It did not go well. I I have a beef sensitivity and, um, very, very slow gastric emptying.
Speaker 3:Okay. So it messed with me a little bit, which I guess it did help me lose weight. Yeah, that's how I feel, like okay. So that's how I feel about whenever these fucking influencers come out with the apple cider vinegar, I'm like listen, I've used apple cider vinegar, that shit works. Because I feel like dog shit.
Speaker 2:Like I drink it and I'm like I, I, I drink it.
Speaker 3:I'm like oh god, it just upsets my stomach and then I don't want to eat anything for a while. Is that? Would that be an eating disorder? Maybe?
Speaker 3:but like definitely I, I just yeah, I, oh, the fucking apple cider vinegar I'm so, I see it so often. Anywho, um, but yeah, I, I love that idea that you have, like you know, these different categories and I also like that in the video. I think I remember, if I remember correctly in the video said you know, sugar also is not poison like sugar. You need sugar, sugar is fine.
Speaker 2:I constantly that's actually sugar, especially by way of fruits, especially naturally occurring sugars. Not all added sugar is bad. Some things are purely inedible if you don't add some sugar to it.
Speaker 3:You've ever bitten into 100 cacao bar? Fuck me, that stuff tastes horrible, it's got to be a universal experience. Your mom had that like hershey's cocoa, oh yeah, and you're like you take a spoonful thinking it's going to, and then you think I put it into milk and you're like oh, chocolate, you take a spoonful thinking it's going to, and then you suffocate, choke and you start over-salivating.
Speaker 2:Oh, so yeah.
Speaker 3:I mean so, yeah, sugar.
Speaker 2:Sugar is not. We actually consider what we call natural sugar, and nothing will trigger me faster into a blind rage than going the chemicals.
Speaker 3:It's all chemicals. I'm'm just, it's so exhausting, it's so and and what? Okay, you know what? Can I just say what? What annoys me fucking more than anything is that, like I hear people say this in these videos and I'm like, okay, people have to be calling that out and but no, the comments. There's just this fucking side of social media in general, tiktok, where people are like, yeah, fuck it, they're always putting chemicals in our food, fda bitches not doing shit, and I'm just like it's you not understand it's?
Speaker 2:the whole chemical. And every time, every time that argument comes up, they're always like well, margarine is one molecule away from plastic. Okay, and water is one molecule away from acid you dumb fuck it I.
Speaker 3:I love me a seltzer. You know what I wouldn't like carbon monoxide. I'm fine with carbon dioxide. Holy shit, it dries it oh man, what was? The joke. But no, uh, was it? Uh, maroon five is one atom away from maroon four.
Speaker 1:I don't know yeah, that's the joke, yeah I just like that.
Speaker 3:I have to bring that. I don't know. I just like that. I have to bring that up when I hear it, Cause I like that Anywho.
Speaker 2:Um no, we actually consider sugar a good for our body as long as we're we're consuming sugar. That the thing made the sugar all by itself. No one had to add anything. That is good sugar, because our brains literally run off that.
Speaker 3:Yes, Um and that is good sugar, because our brains literally run off that yes, um, and. And that people ask me all the time like how much? What should I limit my sugars to? And my response is always the same. I am less concerned with eat saying eat less than this amount of sugar and more like are you getting enough fiber? Are you getting enough protein? Are you getting enough of these other things, micronutrients, you know, fruits, vegetables, whatever.
Speaker 2:Well, and I think that's left over from from Boomer and Gen X and millennials going well. The only way to fix this is detract subtract remove If we have a problem with our nutrition. We have to remove the bad things but really thank God, gen Z and this new generation of nutritionists, dietitians, fitness trainers and experts, they're all saying no, no, no, no. Eat what you want, add what you need.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, I love that phrase. I just, you know, like I recently did a video where somebody tagged me and was like, yeah, this, uh, this smoothie is clearly not healthy, but it looks good. I'm like it has two oreos, but you added banana. You had, like you know, cocoa powder, you know peanut butter powder. It's just try and add other things to it. So when people so yeah, anybody out there, if you're wondering like how much sugar, just make sure you're getting the other fucking shit and make sure you're just you're doing the other things that are healthy.
Speaker 1:Stop concerning yourself like adding broccoli sprinkles I don't care, it goes into everything.
Speaker 3:I'm just saying oh, so yeah, and then then, yeah, I mean, I like the idea that you kind of have this um, this, this category, that it's both things I like, you know, like yeah, and that's.
Speaker 2:That's. That's sort of the goal. Food is there? Food that makes your brain really happy, you really enjoy it and is providing what your body needs. It's fueling your body. Well, and that's it's one small part of an overarching conversation because, as my, my littles are currently five, but with my oldest she's 16. So so she is, and she is a cross country runner, she is a distance track and she throws discus and shot put, so she's a little all over the place.
Speaker 1:Already more athletic than Liam, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Then I was at that age. Holy shit, I did track one day. I quit immediately Go ahead.
Speaker 2:No again from. I don't know how I. We talk a lot about genetics and we're talking about health. I don't know how I. We talk a lot about genetics and we're talking about health. I am confused as to how my genetics combined with the other genetics to create my child. Because that math-ing, nah, math-ing.
Speaker 3:It's. You know, a bunch of stuff just gets thrown out there, A couple things stick and then you have a child.
Speaker 2:I have an athletic child who knows how to move her body, um, her mother and her birth father do not. But I fall over in in flat, stable ground on a still day. Um, I have reached the age where I I routinely have to give my body parts a pep talk, just like I'm walking, and I feel that weak knee going. Don't you dare, don't you fucking dare give out right now.
Speaker 1:We're almost there, we're so close, but are you at the point where it predicts the weather?
Speaker 2:No, I have a weather knee. I have a trick shoulder because I had a stupid human party trick that I did way too much when I was like 12. So now my shoulder is just bad. And so now when I'm reaching above my head, I'm like do you stay, stay, fucking stay in.
Speaker 1:I I just imagine you walking down the street and you're yelling at one knee don't you start. And then you're yelling at the other knee no, don't you tell me that a storm's coming, don't you?
Speaker 3:don't you backtalk me um, I have to say so, you know, I want to ask you, rob, like I'll give a couple of mine what do you have? A combination food, that that you find uh enjoyable? You know what my you know what. You know what. You know what I fucking love.
Speaker 2:That's so good, um he asked you a question, then promptly did not provide you space. No, no, no.
Speaker 3:I'm saying I'm going to go first to give him time to think about it. That's the thing. That's the Canadian reply. You need more time to think about it.
Speaker 2:It's fine, it's colder in there I'm slow because I'm from.
Speaker 3:Canada. Eh, I love like nuts for me, like the Blue Diamond, for those things for me are just like so good.
Speaker 3:The wasabi and soy sauce is so good, and they've got the sweet Thai chili. Oh man, forget about it. So the only problem is in the little tubs and I just kind of keep going for it and I end up eating, like I think a tub is like 1200 calories, like 1100 calories somewhere in there, and I can definitely get close to eating a whole tub. But like, yeah, just you know, I think that's such a great idea of finding those little foods and then figuring out, okay, how can I add these to my diet? And I think you know, even just looking up, if you have one of those foods you really like, you know, look up. You know, it's fucking 21st century people.
Speaker 3:Internet exists, All right. You go on Pinterest, you go on Google, you look up recipes with and then whatever food that you really enjoy, and you can find a ton of recipes. Try something. You're probably going to fail it. I do all the time. You see my videos, this shit like recipe reviews. I'm like no, this did not work, but I gave it my best attempt and then you get better from there and that's what's important. Anyway, Rob, Canadian answer. Go ahead.
Speaker 1:Well, I think. Actually, for me, it's something we've talked about a lot, which is the frozen mixed vegetables or, in my case, sometimes the fresh mixed vegetables. Um, like, I'm a huge vegetable person, and so I love finding ways to mix those into everything, especially with some broccoli sprinkles now I I will eat them frozen, but I also live rurally, so I get fresh vegetables more often than frozen. That's how Liam reacts too.
Speaker 3:Listen, we live in America, we get whatever. Walmart gives us yeah, well, okay Well yeah, rob's closest town is 600 miles away and they have one brand of diet soda, so I'll still take what I have.
Speaker 2:But they have ketchup chips. I bet they fucking have ketchup chips.
Speaker 1:I sent Liam some ketchup chips. You sent me those.
Speaker 3:They're way sweeter than I realized. I was like whoa.
Speaker 2:I love those for you, canada, you can keep them. I will pose no challenge to your appreciation of ketchup chips. All right, I will pose no challenge to your appreciation of ketchup chips. All right, I will say you're all dressed, slaps but your ketchup chips All dressed.
Speaker 1:All dressed is amazing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know what that even really means, all dressed.
Speaker 2:I know it's tasty, I don't think the Canadians know what that means?
Speaker 3:No one will ever know. It's like how to spell Fahrenheit no one knows.
Speaker 2:We all just guess, guess, we don't know. If autocorrect doesn't fix it, I'm just gonna write the capital f and hope for the best autocorrect wasn't a thing at this point, I just write freedom free.
Speaker 3:That's why I say freedom units, that's why I started that, because I cannot spell fahrenheit um. But yeah, so I mean I know you've been doing more like nutrition content. You know I've at least I've been seen, I've been getting tagged in a lot of it. I wonder I want to know, like because you do a lot of other stuff as well. I'm kind of curious, because this is something we kind of do here on the podcast. We're like over half an hour and what's some things you see like online that makes you just fucking roll your eyes into the back of your head the number of rage fueled drafts that get recorded.
Speaker 2:I rant about it and then I just immediately delete because I'm scared my tiktok's gonna get hacked and it's gonna be published and I don't need to be talking like that on the internet those are inside thoughts I love that um I like.
Speaker 1:I like that you deleted them because you don't you know inside thought, liam went and made a podcast and he airs them every week.
Speaker 3:I will say I've had a few of those videos where I'm like, okay, I have calmed down now, maybe I don't post this, maybe I do redo it with a little less. I.
Speaker 2:I think probably my, the things that will trigger me faster, the things, the things that will cause me to be like you just say something about this and then I can't say anything about it. Cause is well first of all. Well, I turned out fine, did you? Though we talked about this last week, yeah.
Speaker 3:It's always just like well, it worked for me, and so that's just what we keep doing, right.
Speaker 2:Right and for a really long time. Leeches were how we treated a lot of medical conditions, and let's discuss trephining. That was revolutionary at the time. We don't do that very often now.
Speaker 3:We don't do that very often now, with all the skeletons we have found with holes inside their skulls, because the idea was to release demons. You had to drill a little hole inside the skull and I love that idea, but I'm glad we stopped doing it eventually after hundreds, if not like thousands, of years.
Speaker 2:And here's the thing Some of those people with holes in their skulls, they did turn out fine.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they survived the procedure. And they did that to other people Like, look, I'm fine, it worked for me, so we need more holes in skulls, right?
Speaker 2:Obviously. And then I also. There is a movement in the hole from scratch thing. I love from scratch food. Oh yeah, yeah. But you don't need to make fruit loops, bessie.
Speaker 1:If you want fruit loops, just go fucking buy fruit loops yeah, I recorded a video just today on somebody making their own um coffee creamer and they used it condensed milk, sweetened condensed milk. I should specify sweetened condensed milk and half and half and it's like yeah, that's, that's what the coffee cream is on the shelf are basically well, and here's the thing is, is what I will preface with.
Speaker 2:If you choose to do that, if that's just something that you prefer the taste, you prefer the texture, you just like spending your time doing that. I don't like gardening, but I'm not going to look at someone who loves gardening and go well, that's weird, because I don't like it. Ultimately, if you enjoy that, great. But most of the time when we're talking about someone making their own coffee creamer or making their own Froot Loops is because they're demonizing the store-bought one for so many reasons, even moving beyond the, um, the, the nutrition value of the demonizing the chemicals, the demonizing the process.
Speaker 3:Big creamer, I guess, um big cereal um I have heard big cereal like realist anyway, god I like big creamer.
Speaker 1:That's either a company or a good porn name. I know Big.
Speaker 3:Creamer, that's what I was saying. I was like Big Creamer. Oh boy, that's anyway a different podcast, yeah.
Speaker 2:But a lot of times those are combined with concerns about accessibility. It is really expensive to make homemade Froot Lo loops with beet juice and banana powder and, yeah, they may taste.
Speaker 3:Honestly, I think I think they probably taste like ass, but uh, maybe you like them I saw a video of a woman that made, uh like cinnamon toast crunch and it was so fun. She did this whole thing. At the end she's like, and it tastes terrible and I made it this, I just tried like I was, like I have so much respect for someone.
Speaker 3:That's just like not demonizing like any other ingredients. They're just like I wanted to make this because, like I wanted to try it. It seems fun, I had the ingredients, so like I'm just gonna do it. And then you try and you're like ah, it kind of tastes like butt. But you know, like I gave it a shot, like I.
Speaker 2:I appreciate that if you want to make your own pop tarts, please go ahead, but that sounds like a nightmare to me, like I'm not going to do that. Go online and act like people who do not. People who choose pop tarts from the little foil package in the little blue box are are less than or worse than, and that's the shit that just fucking grinds my gears to no end.
Speaker 3:It's just always just like I care about my children so I make my own pop tarts from scratch. Bitch, holy shit, like I, I and it's, it's, it's I. Just I don't do a lot of the videos because then I my head goes very red and it's tough to see me, but like it's just so, I don't even know where I'm going. I'm just it's so frustrating, like it's. It's unbelievably frustrating to me when I see here's a thing that I do.
Speaker 2:I have to. I am viscerally mad at you, specifically liam um because you hold on. I'll get to you in a sec.
Speaker 3:Rob you as mom bringing these people to your attention.
Speaker 2:Fuck, I'm grounded you are the reason I found bear bells and I fucking hate you for it it's.
Speaker 3:I'm assuming you like them too much.
Speaker 2:They're so good and the reason I hate you over these is because they are so good. I have to limit. You don't need to eat nine of these in a day, but they taste like candy.
Speaker 3:They do taste the creamy crisp. I had one last night like I mean, I was just the snickers one is my absolute.
Speaker 2:My husband has to take them, my husband has to take the snickers ones and I it's the crunchy caramel peanut one I forgot okay I can't call it snickers, because yeah, right, right, right, but it tastes like a snickers, and and here's the thing again with the food swaps it does not taste exactly like a snickers, but it does taste a Snickers. And and here's the thing again with the food swaps, it does not taste exactly like a Snickers, but it does taste like candy.
Speaker 3:Like if you some of their bars I taste, if I just picked up a random bar, like for some reason you know I do that on when I'm on the streets and I see a random bar, I just pick it up. I try. If I, if we all do I would be like oh, that's a candy bar.
Speaker 2:Whenever people ask me like hey, I'm new to like this whole, like fitness thing, like protein, I don't know. I'm like always like bear bells, like they're uh pro tip if you're, if you're new to protein and you've never had protein, this is the way I learned to eat protein bars, even the shitty ones that sometimes you kind of have to like deal with because you were out of your regulars. Stick them in the freezer. Um, it reduces a lot of the chew at first and you sort of get used to the flavor of it without the all protein bars, even bear bells, have just a little bit of gumminess. It's inherent in adding, it's in protein, right it's could be.
Speaker 3:You know the protein. There's only so much you can do. I'm curious. You're like what are your like the protein things that like worked for you, because me I'm busted. I got into like the fitness the world and I started using like, oh, just greek yogurt instead of everything and then I kind of got used. I kind of got used to that sort of stuff and so, like you know, so I want, I'm kind of curious from someone who's not in that sort of realm, who did not get ruined by the whole fitness industry essentially, I kind of had to start at the bad end, Um, the, the, and I say the bad end again.
Speaker 2:we just had a conversation about good food and bad food, but there are definitely products on the market that are not the best representation of products on the market, but they are the most palatable in that they've got a ton of added sugar. So, yeah, you're getting the protein but you're also getting a ton of sugar.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I had to start there, um and and sort of work my way down, like, once I got, once I got used to, oh, I will feel full after this little bar for several hours and when you've spent a lot of my eating disorder came from, um, not having enough. I was never sure if I was going to get more than ramen or tuna, because we grew up very, very, very, very poor, and so there was this, this illusion of scarcity. And so what would happen is, when I would get goodness, when I would, when we'd finally be able to afford peanut butter, I would eat the whole tub of peanut butter because I wasn't going to be able to get it again, and I, you know, I wasn't getting food that was good for my brain because we couldn't afford it.
Speaker 3:Right, I mean just at that point, you just get what you can.
Speaker 2:But I mean I understand that.
Speaker 3:That scarcity, like I mean when you just used to not having a lot, you're just like, well, I don't know when I'm gonna get this again, I'm just gonna so I'm I'm going to enjoy it in entirely too much all at once, um.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I kind of had to start with um. I started with the premier protein bars um, a lot of sugar in them but a decent amount of protein. And now I'm down to you know I I went through the uh qu Quake was one of them. I don't recommend those. There's a Power Crisp. I really like the Power Crisps. Power Crisps are good, high in sugar though.
Speaker 3:Hmm.
Speaker 2:I've read.
Speaker 3:The only other bar that I do that I found more recently that I really like is Fulfill, fulfill, fulfill. I recommend looking at that one. I don't know how much sugar is exactly in that one Not a lot of fiber.
Speaker 2:I have a drawer full of them and now that I'm trying to think of them I can't. But they're the refrigerated peanut ones. They're all peanut butter ones. Oh yeah yeah, yeah, I think I've seen it. I don't know how much butter. Those are pretty good.
Speaker 3:But I thoughts, did you find anything that kind of helped you get away from that kind of scarcity mentality? It was just like coming to money. Good, you know, I feel like that's always the answer to a lot of these, isn't it? It's always just like oh, just have more money, just have more money, you know that's so simple.
Speaker 2:Wow, this money doesn't, uh, create happiness. Uh, that's only said by people who have always had money. Um, no, um, a lot of that had to do with there was a little bit of therapy in there, not gonna lie, oh yeah there's.
Speaker 2:There's a little bit of therapy of it's not gonna go away. Like you, you live in a first world country with resources at your disposal. It's not, you're fine. Um, and a lot of that was again learning to appreciate my body as it is. This body has made, with its own resources and a tiny amount of contribution from my partner, three children like that. Amazing. Um, this body has weathered a ton of different stuff. It has been in good places and bad places. It has, let my mind, experienced roller coasters and it has created books and it has, like my body, has done wonderful things and learning to appreciate my body, even as I'm working to change it, even as I'm working to help it function better, and that's that's another big mindset shift that is really approached. I'm not trying to look a certain way, I'm not trying to do a thing, I just need it to be. I have five-year-olds and I'm 40. I need to be able to like run alongside my kid going, yeah, buddy, yeah. Now, if I were to try to do that, I would hurt myself.
Speaker 3:And I think that comes back to we talk about like goal setting a lot, and I really like that because I, you know, I, I I hear from people who've lost a ton of weight and they're like I'm down to this, but I still have so much more to go, I still have all this weight to lose. I'm like that you know those end goals, like I think it's great to have goals but, like you know, keep them if you can keep them a little more realistic I think you're going to be, you're going to be able to achieve them easier, feel better and more.
Speaker 3:Just feel more comfortable with yourself, like yeah.
Speaker 2:I like that.
Speaker 3:I want to be able to keep up with, you know, my, my kids. That's why I wanted to have my daughter. I'm 32. I was like 32 is good, I don't want to wait too much longer later than I. You know, I get older. I can't keep up with them. I need to be able to keep up with them. I'm young enough where I can actually still do things okay, yeah um, I I have.
Speaker 2:We're about to have storms come in.
Speaker 3:Just fyi if I disappear it's because, it's because the grocery store walker got you.
Speaker 2:Is the knee telling?
Speaker 1:you that.
Speaker 2:No, the power flickers are. I'm on a battery backup so I won't dip. But no, but having what's called non-numerical goals.
Speaker 3:Yes, I like that.
Speaker 2:I am a plus size woman and currently my goal, my overarching goal, is just to be able to keep up with my kids, to be able to do the things for my kids, to not have to look at my 17 year olds and go well, mommy thinks she's having a heart attack. Please take her to the hospital. Which weight loss is not a guarantee that that won't happen, but weight loss does improve cardiovascular health. Right now, my goal is to walk into a store and find an article of clothing that fits me, without having to go to the far back corner and look through the circus. Tents and tarps no shade on plus size fashion but Target.
Speaker 2:You know what you did I mean. Target is a store that we have.
Speaker 3:Okay, it's kind of like oh God, I don't know any Canadian stores so I can't tell you what it's like but it has things that you can buy.
Speaker 1:Is it like gym bobs down?
Speaker 2:the road there Do they sell bras, Rubbermaid totes and oat milk?
Speaker 3:Then yes, no, they just sell mixed vegetables. Oh, my gosh, listen. I feel bad for canada because every time I post something I'm like, oh, this protein powder is expensive. They're like um, a tub of protein powder cost me five hundred dollars in canada.
Speaker 1:So I'm struggling like five hundred dollars that's cheap.
Speaker 3:Exactly. We all my kids, all the canadian listeners, all jokes aside that shit sucks. So I'm sorry because it seems like everything's expensive as fuck over there yeah, yeah, you don't understand the currency exchange either I don't and listen. They got monopoly money over there. We don't understand anything about them.
Speaker 3:It's really fucking colorful and weird and it's plastic oh shit, um, but yeah, so I mean I know so, is there anything? Was there anything else? And then you kind of roll your eyes because I like these are my kind of favorite discussions, you know, just like, oh, man, I see that every time. I'm just like, oh, I gotta fucking this shit again, because I I got plenty of that stuff I mean as far as my regular content not not having to do with food and eating, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3:I mean just like a parenting in general or whatever, like all that stuff anytime we put a kiddo up in distress not fake distress, I mean.
Speaker 2:there there's fake distress where they are worried about something that is, in effect, silliness. I'm, I'm, I'm more or less okay with that. Like, why are you crying? The sky is so beautiful, okay.
Speaker 3:I love this for you Right right, right right.
Speaker 2:I don't know why it's evoking such strong emotion, but let's roll with it. But I saw. I saw a video of a parenting choice that I would not have made, and that's that's the nicest way I can say it. Um, I guess uh Boyo was not. He did not have his listening ears on. He was told to get in the car after uh what looked to be a T-ball or a baseball game. Um, and so mom got in the car and drove away.
Speaker 2:Now, she didn't drive very far, um, but she did give what appeared to be a six or seven year old boy a slight panic attack and he is running after his mother's vehicle going mama, stop. He doesn't know the boundaries to that. So I was like you know what? And then comment section. The comment section is what killed me, because I was like that's real parenting, is it?
Speaker 3:I see that, yeah, like that kid's going to grow up tough, you know, like that sort of shit, and you're just like that kid's going to grow up with issues.
Speaker 1:Yeah, why do you have abandonment issues?
Speaker 3:I don't know, it's weird.
Speaker 2:And here's the thing is one of the things that's that's glazed over a lot in parenting conversations and parenting spaces is resiliency, just the same way as our bodies all process. Liam is never going to look like the rock, rob Maybe, but liam's never gonna look like the rock.
Speaker 3:Your genetics are working are you saying I'm balding? No, that's what it is. It's the balding the beard um yeah, I, I, I.
Speaker 3:I think that's that's important to to note on, because, especially I don't know for, like, coming from you know my background just being like a young male, you know, getting into the fitness space, you know a lot of this is just like focused on like just getting huge and like you know, and it's very prevalent on on social media now, but for that performance enhancing drugs, right, you know, just like trying to get as big as possible and it.
Speaker 3:And what really helped me eventually is when I just saw people talking about like hey, it's like it's your genetics, you're just going to be kind of like you can fight against it to a certain extent. You know you can do things, but like, yeah, I, you'll never be, you know, and you know you're never going to be one of these bodybuilders that are 300 pounds, lean, like it's just, it's never, it's not going to happen like you. And to be comfortable with that, I was like you know what I'm just like the tall kind of lanky guy. I'm just going to do what I can and like I just enjoyed the process a lot more after that.
Speaker 2:Well, and my husband is one of those who he packs on muscle, uh, via weight, Like he looks like at at his peak fitness. He looks like the world's strongest men competitors, where they just all look like they ate a cheeseburger and then lifted a semi truck that's one of the events.
Speaker 2:Their body shape is not what is determining their strength or how they understand how to move their body or how they understand how to fuel their body. It's one of the things every time I make a video about. That's another thing that triggers the fuck out of me. When I make a video talking about food, inevitably the comments are like bitch, you're fat, what do you know?
Speaker 3:All right, I need you to know something about career fats, all right.
Speaker 2:We know so much more about nutrition than most regular people who have never had to think about their fucking weight. We fucking know. I made that a three syllable word for you Fucks, we know.
Speaker 3:I mean, let me, I mean I'm going to be. I was, I've, like I said I, always been one of those people that was very lanky, I didn't fucking know shit about any. I was just like, oh yeah, you just eat, like you just eat what frozen pizzas, you know sodas, and I just remained lean, like that's just how, that's just how it was, and so I always I that's, it's one of the I see that a lot and it's, yeah, it's so fresh.
Speaker 2:I'm like I, just I, and I guess, oh, that's another one that drives me nuts, I'm sorry yeah, one second no, but just fucking.
Speaker 3:I just thought of another one, when I see like people who are larger exercising and then they always get shit for it and I'm just like, what is what you want?
Speaker 3:What do you want? Because it seems like all you want is just for people who are, who have you know, obese people, to go away, like that's all. Like that's all, I'm just like God, like they're just living their lives and OK, listen, I'm done after this. I promise I'm done after this. I promise I'm done after this. But like the whole like oh, um, they're, they're talking about, like they're just forcing it in our faces, like the, the, the, um, what the fuck is the term? Where they were saying like fat phobia, not fat, where they're? They're saying, just like they're trying to make everyone else like oh, what? I brain, no work, it's late and I'm tired and I don't, I don't know um, where they're trying to say like um, um, people who are fat are just trying to promoting obesity. I just literally forgot that. Like I don't know why my brain, just like you, sometimes you forget the word door and you're like the thing with the handle promoting.
Speaker 1:I was sitting here waiting for you to finish the sentence so I can figure out what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:At no point did you give either of us context? My, my brain is going 10 miles a minute.
Speaker 3:I don't know if that's fast, that's not even fast, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:They say they're promoting obesity.
Speaker 3:So the whole promoting obesity and I'm like that's a person just living their life, Like that's just a person who has like excess body fat and you think they're promoting it because they're now selling like plus size workout wear. Like I'm so confused, like that's the shit that just I.
Speaker 2:It annoys me to know I watched the video of a girl who was outside her what, what appeared to be her house, and she had gotten those uh step hurdles, that uh, uh, just run over them okay, yeah and she, she was doing it, and she was doing it, admittedly, poorly, and she knew that she was doing it poorly.
Speaker 2:Like she made no bones about it, but she was a plus size girl and the comment section was once again the most disappointing experience. They're like oh my God, get in the gym, bitch. What do you think she's doing?
Speaker 3:No kidding, that's the sort of shit that just fucking annoys me to no end. Man, yeah, like there's there.
Speaker 2:It doesn't feel like there's a point at which you went. And then what I see from the other side. I have several friends, several influencers Courtney, Mama Jill. They have gone through extreme transformations and they're up to the point where they're getting the paniculectomies, which is where you remove the excess skin from the abdomen. They're getting the floor delis where you're. You're removing up the skin from the chest and from the underarm. When you're fat that that skin stretches and it doesn't always snap back, and so they're getting these procedures that are still for their health. If you were extremely plus size and you got down to a straight size, that paniculectomy can develop sores, it can develop rashes, it can. It's a breeding ground for all sorts of bacteria that you don't want. But then people are like, oh god, you're just vain're just vain.
Speaker 3:Oh my God, holy shit. Like what do you want? Like it always comes down to what do you want. They did the thing.
Speaker 2:They ate the fucking salad. They went to the fucking gym and now they're vain. Oh my God.
Speaker 3:Like it always comes down back to me, like I'm just staring at the comments, like what do you want? What do you like? Like, what the fuck do you want? It just seems like nothing is ever and and that's the thing, like to anybody out there who's like trying to make you know, like make it on social media and like you know and make videos, all that good stuff people will always find something to be pissed about. It doesn't fucking matter what it is. People will always be mad and you just and I found that I just embrace that shit and read the comments like on my videos and stuff and I have fun with it because like there's, it's never going away, it's always those people are the ones that had their parents drive away from them when they were maybe those are the people let's.
Speaker 2:Maybe that would explain it, but they turned out fine they turned out fine.
Speaker 3:They're gonna do it to their kids too.
Speaker 1:And the cycle continues, gosh.
Speaker 2:That's what we mean by breaking generational cycles generational trauma, Like I'm really sorry, someone really hurt you, but the answer is not to try to hurt me. I am a millennial. You can't hate me harder than I have hated myself.
Speaker 3:Oh.
Speaker 2:I am a, a fat millennial woman bring it, oh gosh.
Speaker 3:But I mean I will say like it seems like you're getting a lot more. You know positive. You know more positivity and like, and the videos that some of these, the videos that have come from you or somebody, you know some about the, the, uh, some my followers like favorites, like they love you know just being able to see people, different bodies, different people, just like coming together and just like, can we just agree on this shit? Like, can we just keep trying, keep it simple, these foods, every food is good in its own way, or you know like. You know just, oh, I don't know all is lost. That's basically my whole point of this, like it's just the bleakness of reality is setting in this is what social media does to you.
Speaker 2:You stay on social media too long as a creator and you just hate humanity, even though you keep trying to make it better. You're trying to help it and you're like this is pointless, this is fruitless. So, anyway, today we're going to be talking about how not to fuck up protein brownies. Let's go.
Speaker 3:Hey bitch, why is your oven dirty? Oh god, I try. Thanks, I appreciate it. I'll see if I could do better in the future.
Speaker 2:Cry yeah yeah, you're fat, oh really, wow, is that what that is? Shit. You know that.
Speaker 1:Thank you for informing me, sir reddit oh if, if I knew this is the way the conversation was going, I would have had us all gather a bunch of the comments from our haters and we could read each other's, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Just go. Next time we'll just read each other. I got plenty of those. I got so many. I am just supporting big food.
Speaker 2:Big food is there to make everyone sick and fat so they can make money. I told people that I give my children a multivitamin. The way people flipped out and listen the vitamin industry is questionable in some places. But like one of my kids is a super adventurous eater and will eat sushi and just asks for seaweed sheets, let's just enjoy snacking on those, hey, I like Nori I do? I love Nori.
Speaker 3:I didn't like it at first, but I did get. I did you know. Eventually you just get used to it and that's how I do most things in life go ahead my current favorite.
Speaker 2:Um, good for my brain, good for my body, is uh, salmon that I do. I just take it straight out of the freezer and into the air fryer. Uh, one of those zip top bags, or one of the the little canisters of jasmine rice what are your seasonings?
Speaker 3:what are your seasonings of choice? What do you? What do?
Speaker 1:kaki um, which is a japanese sesame and nori seasoning I'm glad you defined that, because it was a little uh um, nori and uh I, uh, we'll put lemon pepper.
Speaker 2:Lemon pepper is so good yeah.
Speaker 3:You know what I like brown sugar because I'm trying to feed all the cancers in my body.
Speaker 1:That's what I do. Yeah, no, but all I can think of right now is wanting to masticate some photococky.
Speaker 3:You were working over there trying to get it together. He was waiting for that opening.
Speaker 2:That's our next shirt.
Speaker 1:That's our next shirt right there yeah.
Speaker 2:And then a sriracha and really, really bougie soy sauce. I love soy sauce. I will eat the heck out of great value soy sauce but for this particular dish, the really nice fermented, I get mine from World Market but the really nice fermented soy sauce it's thicker, I think.
Speaker 3:I have to try that it's not as thick as sriracha, but it's a little thicker.
Speaker 2:It's more like watered down barbecue sauce, if that makes sense than it is soy sauce.
Speaker 3:I think I'm going to have to try it, because I've never had like fancy soy sauce.
Speaker 1:I have to ask. You said like I've never had like fancy soy sauce. I have to ask. You said like world market, something like that, yeah, is world market, like Jim Bob's down the street.
Speaker 2:If Jim Bob's sold imports from countries that aren't Canada. Yeah, I like that. You only have Jim.
Speaker 3:Bob's. That's the only place Canada has this. Is that one store?
Speaker 1:Is it like that?
Speaker 2:Everybody takes the one highway to Jim Bob's. You know you could ask Timmy over at Tim Hortons if they have the fancy soy sauce.
Speaker 3:See, that's Canadian.
Speaker 1:We know things. Here we go. Get some soy sauce from Timmy's. Do you want to double-double with that?
Speaker 2:Look, I'm going to start a fight with canada. I bet if you like drink the coffee and then like let it sit um and ferment, it would probably come out about the same. Um, I don't like tim hortons coffee. It tastes bad. I'm so sorry, canada, you're doing it wrong.
Speaker 1:Uh, they're done I.
Speaker 2:I have angered an entire half of a continent.
Speaker 1:I know mexico is down in the south like the thing is um like timmy's got bought out by an american company like a couple decades ago no, it makes sense.
Speaker 2:We fucked a thing up again, that's fine yeah, that checks out capitalism.
Speaker 3:Baby, I'll own that I'll own that.
Speaker 2:I'll own that. How can we make it cheaper?
Speaker 3:Oh shit.
Speaker 2:But yeah, that's been my go-to and it is my favorite, but I posted that and someone's like that fish wasn't ethically raised. I don't.
Speaker 3:I was just about to make a joke about like was it farm raised? Because you know you can't have that.
Speaker 1:Farm raised and maple fed.
Speaker 2:Listen, there's no winning.
Speaker 3:Okay, there's no, and it's just like people like holy shit, like it's really not, it's really not complicated, like we talk about this all the time. What whole foods should you focus on, literally?
Speaker 2:whatever the fuck you want Whatever they sell at.
Speaker 1:Erewhon. It's the Erewhon. Is that like Jim Bob's? That's like Jim Bob's if it was-.
Speaker 2:If Jim Bob's charged 17 times the actual value of things.
Speaker 3:Yes, well, that's just Canada.
Speaker 2:Yeah, erewhon is Canada right now it's $40 for a loaf of bread, holy shit $42 for strawberries and blueberries, but they did already cut the strawberries up for you.
Speaker 1:Is that in Freedom Units or Canadian? Canadian? Oh man, yeah, that's about right.
Speaker 3:Yep, holy shit, I keep getting tagged as one plastic surgeon. Like he's a plastic surgeon, he keeps telling people what to eat and what to avoid and he's like I shop at air one. I'm like why are we? Listening to plastic we're in different tax brackets, buddy I bought my salmon from walmart, the freezer section.
Speaker 2:I was in a land lock state air one stop.
Speaker 3:Avoid seed oils, diet soda and make sure you buy wild caught salmon from air.
Speaker 2:One fuck off like holy shit listen, whole foods is one of those places that I wave as I drive by because I will never afford to eat there. Um air one is just not I don't know. They do sell raw milk though, so in case you care it's a, it's a fascinating space over in mind because I have the added benefit of the entire raw milk debate added to the breast milk debate.
Speaker 3:Oh, you get a mixing, that's fun, that's fun. Debate oh, you get a mixing, that's fun, that's fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I seriously watched a video and then promptly had to go throw up where she was like okay, so I understand that raw milk can carry some health risks. I was like a lot of health risks. It carries a lot of health risks. Don't eat the raw milk.
Speaker 3:Louis.
Speaker 2:Pasteur was onto something. But yeah, no, go ahead, just rewind the clock. Don't learn from history at all. Enjoy your rabid diarrhea, she's like. Well, we counteract those by adding breast milk. Not very much, it doesn't change the flavor, oh gosh, so you're taking bodily fluid from a cow and adding bodily fluid from a human, and that just magically makes it totally safe to consume didn't you hear breast milk is the cure for tuberculosis.
Speaker 2:That's what, listen I, I, I fully support breastfeeding. I completely understand breast milk has a lot of purposes, especially for the humans it was specifically created for. I'm not shitting on breast milk at all. I am saying that adding breast milk to raw milk does not make raw milk safer. No, it doesn't. It doesn't do it. But people want raw milk. Does not make raw milk safer? No, it doesn't, it doesn't do it.
Speaker 3:But people want raw milk, no matter what They'll do anything. I got to say that's one of the things. That's another thing that drives me fucking insane. In the nutrition spaces I've seen a bunch of these grocery store walkers talking about how formula is filled with seed oils. Oh my God, it's got sugar in it. Guys, did you know? Did you filled with seed oils? Oh my god, it's got sugar in it guys, did you know?
Speaker 2:did you know that? Wait until you hear what the recommended lactation diet is? Basically just oats. Oats, that's oatmeal, everything. Oat milk um, just oats. All the glycemic sugar, protein the like.
Speaker 3:You do not know, breast milk has sugar in it and like there's, like, oh you're you're fear-mongering sugar. I'm pretty sure they have no idea what lactose is I, oh gosh, oh, it's just, it's so sad if you told them, if you told them what's galactose? They probably just say an outer space robot or some shit like that. I, I just, it's all is lost. I'm just gonna keep saying that that's how I feel um, yeah, the the raw milk debate.
Speaker 2:Um, also, I was slightly horrified at the concept of making cheese with breast milk. I'm like, all right, well, I love that journey for you yeah what, at what point did someone?
Speaker 3:I. I would be honest, that's never come across my brain.
Speaker 2:That idea has never even remotely entered my thought process yeah, no, can't say it has cheese, cheese with breast milk I guess it's sweeter is possible it's dude, I don't I have no idea. I didn't make it my breast milk, I just fed my children. Until it ran out, I tapped out and then we were done. That was the end of my breastfeeding experience.
Speaker 1:I don't know what the breast well, I guess we got to get on it.
Speaker 3:Liam start pumping I would need to know what breast cheesy, breast milk, all right, all right to the audience.
Speaker 2:I'm going to make two grown men feel very uncomfortable. The same person who made cheese with their breast milk also used regular milk and their downstairs yeast oh that's what that can't be.
Speaker 3:A there's there's a limit to stupidity.
Speaker 2:They gave themselves thrush, by the way, just FYI.
Speaker 3:Oh God, I mean, I saw that is the sound of uncomfortableness.
Speaker 2:I saw a comment.
Speaker 3:So many people tagged me in a comedy bit where someone was like I made cinnamon rolls out of my yeast infection and they were just regular cinnamon rolls, like it was all a joke and I was like, ha ha, that's kind of funny, like at least I get that. It's kind of horrifying but also a little funny.
Speaker 2:No, I refuse to believe there's anything that's all lost.
Speaker 3:That's why, when you're on social media, that's that's the attitude you have to have.
Speaker 2:But you keep plugging along this episode got so weird, so quick I, that's I fully anticipated, I'm gonna go cry in a corner. Now I fully, I fully expected that to happen, uh this is what you get when you have um chronically online people. Chronically online people.
Speaker 1:Go, please, please, people go chronically online sounds so much like a like it. It sounds like chronically ill chronicallyically online.
Speaker 3:yeah, Chronically online. I think they, but no, I think they opened for moist in Canada Chronically online.
Speaker 1:She could buy the album at Jim Bob's.
Speaker 3:Chronically online. No, we want moist, all right. So Mama Kess is, where can people find you On the social mediasias?
Speaker 2:as long as you promise not to make shitty comments on my uh, I have enough. Thank you, uh, I am mama cusses on tiktok instagram and facebook. I am pleasant peasant media on the tube of you, youtube. I just automatically filtered that as if the tiktok censors were going to catch me saying youtube and strip down the the distribution, uh on on youtube. Um, yeah, please, please, follow me everywhere, but tiktok.
Speaker 1:I love tiktok, but I live in america well, at least you still get paid for for tiktok.
Speaker 2:I don't get paid for tiktok you don't get paid for tiktok are you not in?
Speaker 3:you never entered the little. What is it? The creativity program I did, but the the drop in distribution was not worth the pennies they were paying me uh, youtube pays me better there you go, well, there you go, follow on, you followed on the you, the you of two on the tube of tube, on the tube of U, tube of U. There we go.
Speaker 1:And you can find Moist on any music platform.
Speaker 2:Also tiny shout out. You can also pick up my book Mama Cusses A Field Guide to Responsive Parenting and Trying Not to Be the Reason your Kids Need Therapy. There's absolutely no discussion of breast milk, cheese or yeasty rolls in that book.
Speaker 3:Well, now I'm sold.
Speaker 2:It's available most places. You buy your book in Canada, probably at Jim Bob's the United States. Uk and, I believe, eu. Now I think it's available in the EU, but it's only in English. So if you don't speak English, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3:If you don't speak English, and you'm sorry. If you don't speak English and you're listening to this podcast, kudos to you. That's fucking phenomenal. Ai translators exist.
Speaker 2:Wow, liam's showing his whole hand about AI.
Speaker 3:Wow, is that a thing? I don't understand AI. I know it's going to take over and it's going to kill all of us, but that's all I know.
Speaker 2:A friend of mine. I'm not nice to my AI assistants Like I've got. I've got an Amazon device and when she doesn't listen I backtalk her and they're like when the robots rise up. I want to be one of the first to go. I don't want to live through that hellscape. I need, I need Siri and Alexa to just be personally offended by my existence and take me out early Piss.
