In Moderation
Providing health, nutrition and fitness advice in moderate amounts to help you live your best life.
Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
In Moderation
Unpacking Supplement Secrets and Fitness Myths with Scientific Snitch: A Deep Dive into Pre-Workouts, PEDs, and Practical Wellness
Ever wondered why some buildings skip the 13th floor and how this connects to our quirky decision to skip episode 69? Get ready for an insightful and entertaining chat with our first returning guest, Ella, as we dive deep into the world of supplements. Ella shares her no-nonsense philosophy of "just doing" and the significance of never being at your worst. We then explore the intricacies of pre-workout supplements, spotlighting key ingredients such as L-citrulline for improved blood flow and caffeine for that much-needed energy boost. Find out how the combination of these elements can elevate your workout experience by enhancing focus and reducing brain fog.
Have you ever compared guarana to caffeine, or wondered how to manage caffeine tolerance? We break down these topics and more, including strategies for using stimulant-free pre-workouts and personal experiences with focus-enhancing supplements like Alpha GPC and Cognatic Q. Ella provides valuable insights into melatonin and HMB supplementation, busting common myths and emphasizing the importance of getting nutrients directly from your diet. Discover practical tips on dosage and the best ways to optimize your supplement regimen for studying and overall nutrition.
Our conversation takes a serious turn as we address the nuances and dangers of performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs) and the misconceptions around SARMs. From discussing the reckless use of unregulated substances to debunking health myths and misinformation, we stress the importance of basic health practices like lifting weights, consuming protein, and getting adequate sleep. We wrap up with a humorous critique of overrated supplement trends and the unpredictability of our podcast planning, all while sharing practical advice on informed and safe choices in wellness. Don't miss out on this blend of humor, wisdom, and candid conversation!
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Hey everybody, welcome to episode 69 of the podcast in moderation Bow, chicka, chicka bow. I don't know what it is. So I'm going to say every episode is 69. And then once we hit it, nailed it.
Speaker 2:I'm just going to skip over 69 when we're numbering these. I'm assuming we're in the 30s, right? It's like that floor 13 thing. You just skip over it.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, you skip the floor 13. We've got to be in the 30s, I don't know. We're in the high 30s, 37, I believe. I see I knew that. I feel better about myself. So, anyway, we got our first returning guest. We have so many episodes now we have a returning guest. Ella, how you doing.
Speaker 3:I'm doing, I'm doing. You're doing, you're doing, doing, I'm doing, doing.
Speaker 1:I'm doing is pretty much my motto for like most days, and I get through it right and that's what matters, right.
Speaker 2:We always say, just don't be your worst.
Speaker 3:Are you your worst right now? I mean.
Speaker 2:The hesitation there.
Speaker 1:Well, she still said no, so we'll take that as a victory. You're not your worst, and that's what's important. That's what we always say on this podcast don't be your worst and you're doing great that's very true, very true on a scale of 10 you're not a zero yeah, last.
Speaker 1:So last time we had you on, we talked about supplements, but, um, I'm still constantly asked all the time, just uh, about every single supplement. And you know why aren't we all taking every supplement? And, oh my gosh, so we got to bring you back on to talk more of them. Rob, what do you feel? Where do you want to start with this? Like, what's of all the amazing supplements that everyone should be taking every day, what are your? What's the top one you think we should start?
Speaker 2:with. Well, before we even start with that, let's just say thank you for sponsoring that. Uh. 25th giveaway with the pre-workout.
Speaker 3:I'm always happy to give away some pre-workout, especially this last batch. I want to. I'm trying to push it out of my house because it's taking up space. It's taking up space.
Speaker 2:Yeah, ron's got some. Yeah, let's just go over what you've got in here.
Speaker 1:That's a place to start. Let's start with all the things that she feels is good enough to put in her pre-workout. That makes sense.
Speaker 2:I mean lots of these are pretty common ingredients.
Speaker 3:We've got the uh, the l-citrulline in here and the seed oil so that was the next ingredient, followed by red 40.
Speaker 1:Right, it's mostly seed oils.
Speaker 3:Yeah, seed oil pre-workout I mean, it's mostly like you've got your nitric oxide ingredients just like to help with blood flow, then you've got your energy or your caffeine, and then you've got focus ingredients that help with, like, I guess, cognition in a sense.
Speaker 1:I mean, this is, I think, a great place to start because, like you made a pre-workout, right. So like, all right, I get asked a lot like you know it's a good pre-workout this, that right. Uh, when people are getting a pre-workout, what would you recommend to like look for? Like you know, you're on the ingredients. You're looking at the ingredients like.
Speaker 3:But what are you? What are you looking for? So I guess the top three things I would look four would be either citrulline or citrulline nitrosagene. Those seem to be the most common one nowadays.
Speaker 1:That's like your nitric oxide blood flow stuff and blood flow during an exercise is good. Blood flow during exercise we want that.
Speaker 2:I mean preferably to the muscles, not between your legs.
Speaker 3:Preferably to your muscles. I have noticed that, especially with people who maybe aren't super hydrated, it can just help you feel like a little bit more focused, like you have less brain fog, so definitely like something to help with blood flow. Another thing I guess would be Well, how?
Speaker 1:much would you look for in the citrulline say it's citrulline. How much do you? How much are we looking for? I?
Speaker 3:would say between six to ten grams. I feel like anything above that really it's six to eight, but like anything above ten is like overkill. Anything below that, you're like getting the very bare minimum, so like it's good, but it's like it depends on how expensive the supplement I've seen a lot of them at four.
Speaker 3:I've seen a lot of them at 4 000 milligrams or four grams yeah, a lot of like supplement companies, especially the big ones, will put like the bare minimum in there, or at least if you're looking at like one single scoop, they'll have like a double scoop option, just like up the dosage a little bit. Um, so it really depends on like if is it a double scoop formula, is it a single scoop? Oh, my god the cat, is it a single scoop formula? Um, is it a 35 pre-workout, is it a 50 pre-workout? A lot of things like kind of come into right the decision of like is this worth it or not?
Speaker 1:Okay, so we're looking for like a pump ingredient, as they call it, to increase your blood flow, so like L-citrulline, something that's 6 to 10 grams or 6,000, 10,000 milligrams. Okay, after you know, say we find that. What's the next thing you'd say people look for.
Speaker 3:Next thing I would say an energy source, definitely. Um, really fun fact about caffeine is that when you have pump ingredients aside alongside caffeine because caffeine is a non-specific pde inhibitor, which basically just means it stops these little enzymes called pde enzymes, um, or phosphodiesterase enzymes uh, it actually helps your blood flow a little bit more, so it induces more blood flow, even though technically caffeine restricts blood flow in your brain. In other parts of your body it will promote blood flow because of that cool little, I guess, pharmacological effect. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I mean that's what Viagra is is a PDE inhibitor.
Speaker 3:It's a PDE5 inhibitor specifically, so it inhibits, like specifically the PDE enzymes down there, the PDE enzymes. Other places in your body.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's exactly why I dry scoop my pre-workout before my wife and I go to bed, so after that. So how much caffeine, like? So you know there's caffeine. That's not what I said is important. So caffeine. I've also seen guarana on a lot of things. What's your take on the guarana versus caffeine situation?
Speaker 2:That look she just gave.
Speaker 3:It's like the all-natural, like no flavors, no artificial sweeteners. This tastes like sandpaper, Like why? No flavors, no artificial sweeteners. This tastes like sandpaper, why it's just. It's like another form of caffeine that's less caffeine.
Speaker 1:Is it less effective than caffeine and what it does? I haven't really looked too much into it, honestly. I know it's similar to caffeine, but kind of not also the same.
Speaker 3:I'm pretty sure guarana, um, is literally part caffeine, it's just not fully caffeine. So when you're combined, when you're comparing it to like straight up powdered caffeine which is what caffeine and hydros is, I mean, it literally just means caffeine no water. So when you compare like guarana, which is like what I don't know the exact percent, but like, let's say, it's like 50 caffeine, you're comparing something that's 50 caffeine tastes like an herbal sandbag to like just straight up caffeine I assume that's what all the natural supplements taste like anyway.
Speaker 1:You know like whenever it's like 60 and it's, like you know, came from straight from the amazon rainforest, I just assume it's gonna taste like. Anyway, you know like, whenever it's like 60 and it's, like, you know, came from straight from the amazon rainforest, I just assume it's gonna taste like ass.
Speaker 3:I'm usually right you're not wrong, you're really not wrong. And then, on top of that, usually those supplements are contaminated with six other things that aren't supposed to be there yeah, yeah, uh, so, okay.
Speaker 1:So so yeah, guarana, caffeine kind of depends, right, like how much caffeine, that kind of depends on the person, right. You kind of just we've talked about this before you know like less than they recommend, limiting it to 400 milligrams a day of caffeine. A lot of people go over that because you can build up a tolerance. I like I don't know about you guys I like and like usually 150 to 200 milligrams in like a pre-workout. That's where I kind of feel the sweet spot is for me yeah, I, I feel you there.
Speaker 3:It really depends on the person. As a rule of thumb, I always recommend people to like take like one week off a month, and it usually restores their tolerance that way, they don't need to go above 400 milligrams, because I feel like if you build up such a big tolerance, there's a point of like breaking of like. Is that like really going to? Even though you have a tolerance, it's still going to have a negative side effect.
Speaker 1:And there's your sleep quality, to take into account all these different things, right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, these different things right yeah. And especially like I've recently been like working in a cardiovascular, like arrhythmia lab and like looking at how different stimulants like we literally use caffeine to cause arrhythmias in mice- right it's like do you really want to do that to yourself?
Speaker 1:yeah, if you so. I mean caffeine works on adenosine in your brain which, like adenosine, builds up over the day, makes you feel more sleepy, and caffeine can block the receptors for adenosine, but your brain could just like make more receptors, like if you keep adding more caffeine. So eventually you just build up this tolerance. Now the week you take off is going to suck donkey balls like it's got to be.
Speaker 3:We understand it's going to be terrible.
Speaker 1:If you've built up this huge tolerance. You have all these receptors now and now adenosine combined to all these receptors. You're like holy shit, I am tired uh, but it will kind of reset mostly. So if you can get through, even just a few days a week is good uh.
Speaker 3:You can kind of resensitize yourself to caffeine yeah, and even if you don't like you don't even need to take a full break, you can just like slowly lower it over the course of the week. True, and even if you don't like you don't even need to take a full break, you can just like slowly lower it over the course of the week. True and even that would work. Or using like another, um what you might call it word, come to me there's system free pre-workouts.
Speaker 3:I know you can use those yeah, if you use something like just like a focus ingredient or like electrolytes or something, that kind of gives you a little pep in your step and that always helps speaking of focus ingredients.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm interested in. I don't care about the caffeine, I want to laser focus on something so yeah, after caffeine we're now going down to the focus ingredients, right?
Speaker 3:yeah, and there's two that I absolutely love and, in my personal opinion, I would take these just to study. It's not like a only workout sort of thing, you don't build a tolerance to it and plus it just adds to your overall nutrition, because one of them is literally just a source of choline.
Speaker 1:Alpha GPC that's my favorite.
Speaker 3:Alpha GPC and then Cognatic Q, which is a patented ingredient. It's called coffee berry extract, but it's been found in, I believe, like one or two clinical trials to increase BDNF and I do personally notice a difference.
Speaker 1:Of course, it's like one or two clinical trials, so like all of these supplements generally only have you know a few because, yeah, just more research is needed. Yeah, you know a few because, yeah, just more research is needed.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so in my like I choose what I tried myself on its own and I I have Jackson like do like a single blinded test on me every time I have a new ingredient. So that's how I know it works.
Speaker 1:So okay, so we'll say it again. There was alpha GPC is just the one I like. Increases choline to the brain and I found when I take it I do feel just like a little bit more focused. It's nothing crazy, but like I can at least. It could just be totally. It could totally be placebo. But even if it is, placebo effect is still in effect and I will take it. That is fine as long as long as it works. So I've bought alpha GPC just in in, like you know, tablet form or whatever, and I just take that by itself.
Speaker 3:Yeah, definitely I, that's. That's exactly what I do. Um, I really enjoy alpha gpc and, just like as a little side bonus, it also helps with like acetylcholine so well, like the acetylcholine to your muscle. So oh right, right the whole entire, like um, the whole entire, like contraction of your muscle and like the power of that kind of determined by a set of choline. So it helps at least there too.
Speaker 1:So yeah, but again the research is mixed. I've seen studies where it doesn't, you know, it didn't really affect people and other studies where it did. So it's always back and forth. You kind of just have to try and see. If I don't, I don't really take it that much. But what was the other one you said?
Speaker 3:Cognatic Q.
Speaker 1:Q.
Speaker 3:Yeah, IQ basically.
Speaker 1:Cognate. Oh, I like it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I will say, in some of those studies with alpha GPC there does seem to be like a dose that people respond to and then under that they don't respond to it. And I've noticed in a lot of these studies they use either 50% alpha GPC and they'll dose it to a higher degree to make sure people have an effect. But if another study was trying to replicate that study and they used a lower dose, trying to see if there was like a minimum, OK, I see.
Speaker 3:They would be using a little less, because they didn't. I guess they don't realize it's 50 percent or something.
Speaker 1:Got it.
Speaker 3:But that's another thing.
Speaker 1:So what's, what is the dosage that you would say is generally you would recommend?
Speaker 3:If you're using 99 percent, then I think it was like 200 to 250 is fine if you're using 50. You want to get to 100 at least. So let's say you're using 50 alpha gpc. You would want to have 500 milligrams of that instead of 250 okay so that was. That was something I remember reading about, because there's a few studies where they're like, yeah, 250 milligrams of alpha gpc doesn't work, but here in the methods it's 50 alpha gpc. I'm like, yeah, no, no shit got it.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, that's what I like. So I mean, those are the kind of the top three things for you. So you've got your pump ingredient, you've got your some type of stimulant caffeine, guarana, meth, whatever's in there, depending on where you live and what's legal and then you have your focus ingredient Cottonat IQ.
Speaker 2:No, what's the bonus ingredient? The bonus ingredient the bonus.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, listen. It's basically unregulated, right. You don't know what's in there. It could they want to give you a real workout, holy shit pretty much.
Speaker 3:I mean, it is a patented ingredient, so it's a little more regulated, I guess. Okay, rather, rather than like the other, just straight up powders, like you just get ashwagandha from some shady Chinese manufacturer.
Speaker 1:Right, ashwagandha man. Why do I? That one is a huge one. I see it in so many things I saw. I saw what's it? Chuck Norris recently was like I'm getting older and this is what I do to be focused and it was like and it was one of those, like you know, prop blend things, but it was like ashwagandha was like the main thing and then of course, it's always turmeric and I don't know if I can ginger and bat guano or whatever the neutral, whatever fucking shit.
Speaker 2:It's probably common just because it's easy to get cheap stuff from China.
Speaker 1:I'm sure you sell that for $30 a bottle. You're fucking making a killing.
Speaker 3:You're making bank.
Speaker 1:I thought that was my alarm for a second. Was that bird? I was like is my fucking alarm going off? What?
Speaker 2:the hell.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, I actually did reach out to a chinese manufacturer for like to see how much ingredients were over there, and I was trying to yeah, how much was it?
Speaker 1:how much was it for?
Speaker 3:I want to know so for lab grade cordyceps it was like 13 dollars for like a little pouch this big, but for like 0.01 percent cordyceps like 0.01 percent of the active ingredient just to put that in perspective you would have to have over like 10 grams to get the effective dose. Dang, that was like two bucks for like freaking two pounds.
Speaker 1:Oh. So you could say like technically it's in there, you know you could use it in like a blend or something, but like this is this is this, is this is in there in some amount. Athletic greens, athletic greens. I just did a recorded video on that shit. Like, oh my goodness, the fucking greens powders. I don't know, I don't even remember we talked about that last time, but not.
Speaker 3:Yeah, on my list of like supplements to not take, and I've, I've, actually I've came back on a couple of supplements that I previously like, really advocated for, but now I'm not as much of an advocate for it. So my, my, like, my selection of supplements is like pre-out creatine, monohydrate, melatonin, I'm good. Have you ever really gone over?
Speaker 2:melatonin.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I kind of digged into it a little bit with the sleep doctor.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we did talk a little bit about that. We've kind of talked about how it's good for jet lag, kind of resetting your circadian rhythm a little bit. I just don't like it for people taking it every night because it kind of just can cover up other issues. So I say, talk with your doctor and try and get to the root of what's actually going on instead of just supplementing. That's all.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I understand that. The only reason why I take it is because I am literally staring at my bright ass computer up until the very end of the day, because I'm looking at like freaking protein structures and shit all the way, like first the entire day.
Speaker 1:It's just the thing with it, though. We've talked about dosage like right, rob, we've talked about it before. We're like I had a patient last week who had the gummies right, the melatonin gummies and he took right, oh, I know it's listen, I, but I'm at work, I can't be like dude, fuck, like come on, um. So he took one which is 10 milligrams for a gummy?
Speaker 1:yes, I know. And he woke up. Well, he didn't wake up, he had trouble sleeping. And he gets up and he says, hey, like I'm having trouble sleeping, should I take another one of these. Would that help? And I basically had to fit in a very nice sort of way, Be like fuck, no, and like even 10, I told him I was like 10 milligrams is like a lot, Like you know, one or two is well, well you could have just took a little piece of that you could have taken a foot.
Speaker 1:It was like a. It was like gummy bear.
Speaker 3:You could have taken a foot. It was like gummy bear, so you could have just taken his little foot and eaten that and you would have gotten the same effect. But that's what people do. They take milligrams maximum like and that's like jet lag that's like what I recommend for jet lag, for like just the normal person trying to go to sleep. I I know this one, one milligram like melatonin. It's third party tested. All that yada, yada yeah that's what I take, and yeah, yeah, that's what I take.
Speaker 3:And I sometimes don't even take it.
Speaker 1:But most of them are like 5 to 10 milligrams. That's what I noticed when you just buy them at the store Sometimes 3.
Speaker 2:It was so hard to find 1 milligram ones.
Speaker 1:But 1 milligram ones are tough to find because people are, but to the average person they're going to see. Do I take 1 or do I take 10, 10, bigger number, 10 be better.
Speaker 3:10 me bye. That's just kind of. I think that's just their thought process, you know. Yeah, that's why I always like I always try to like at least educate a little bit more on it because I feel like it can be useful for those like who have like later work days and really do just like spend a lot of time in front of a computer. It might help them. But, like, if I do recommend it, it's like I'll recommend one or two brands Like I know. Renu has a fantastic like one milligram extended release melatonin supplement I love that and Thorne, and those are like the only two I really recommend.
Speaker 1:Isn't Thorne like Amazon's brand or something like that?
Speaker 3:It's like 11 bucks and it's like one to three milligrams. It's fantastic. I love it.
Speaker 1:I've seen a lot of places recommending Amazon's Thorne or whatever it is. It kind of sounds like a villain in a movie, in a Marvel We've got to stop Thorne from taking over Manhattan or something like that. But I've seen a lot of places recommending that brand. It's very good.
Speaker 3:I've seen a lot of places recommending that brand. It's very good. I like it a lot.
Speaker 2:I've never, heard of it. I don't know if it's even in Canada, but it's Amazon, amazon's everywhere. Amazon's, everywhere Amazon's everywhere, but they have to specifically get clearance from the government.
Speaker 1:I guess because fucking Canada has rules.
Speaker 2:What jokers right, idiots Rules for importing supplements.
Speaker 3:Yep, oh my god, I'm pretty sure last time the supplements I was trying to send over to you got stopped or something.
Speaker 2:Probably yeah, customs seized it apparently.
Speaker 3:Oh shit, that's great this one got through, I have to send over another package Because I have to get rid of these boxes. It's not even funny. I'm going to just send you a box at this point.
Speaker 1:Let me ask you about a supplement I get asked about. I've been getting asked about more and more and I don't really know. I haven't really looked into it, I don't know if you, if you have it, we just say fuck it and move on. Hmb, hmb is something I get asked about a lot. All I basically know about it is it's like something naturally occurring from, like the breakdown of leucine.
Speaker 3:Um, oh my god that's that's.
Speaker 1:I don't really know that much about it. I haven't really looked into it. I'm just like, but I get asked about it a lot and I'm just like I I don't know. I don't, I haven't taken it, I don't know uh boy, so here let me.
Speaker 3:Actually was looking at this a while ago, so let me just go back real quick, um yeah, tell me, because I, I got, I got nothing so a lot of people they make claims that it's going to have like an anabolic, like purely building muscle effect, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, instant eye roll you're you're gonna get better luck with, because hmv does come from food you're gonna get exactly like I've seen a lot of people compare these supplements to like this is the same amount of HMB and broccoli.
Speaker 3:Like sweetie, a chicken breast has more HMB than broccoli. Just just eat the damn chicken breast.
Speaker 1:Cause? I wasn't sure. Cause, like creatine, even if you eat meat, you generally don't saturate your muscles with creatine, right, so that's why it's good to take, you know, creatine monohydrate on top of that. I was like I don't know what the dosage is with HMB If, like you know, eating protein gets you to the adequate amount or more, like I just don't know. I haven't really looked into it.
Speaker 3:So the difference is that creatine is like a saturation ingredient.
Speaker 1:Right HMB is not Okay.
Speaker 3:It is like quite literally so I actually learned about this not too long ago of like how mTOR and how mTORC1 is activated versus mTORC2. Leucine is one of the activators of mTOR.
Speaker 1:Right, which is why people say it's like the anabolic amino acid.
Speaker 3:Like it's the most important amino acid for building muscle but you don't need to saturate your freaking cells with hmb to make sure that mTOR gets activated it'll be activated, regardless if you're eating right, okay, that's kind of yeah yeah. So it's like why it's like you're supplementing with broccoli powder and not even enough of it. You're supplementing with, like underdosed broccoli powder supposed to be.
Speaker 2:So you're saying, as long as I can get it for less than 50 I should buy.
Speaker 3:It is what I'm getting the gist of I I would just buy a chicken breast from walmart. Why it should be from that?
Speaker 1:that was kind of. That's always been been my take with BCAAs or the branch chain amino acids, which is just like you can just eat protein. You don't need to take the essential. Same thing with EAAs. Now we've gone from BCAAs to essential amino acids. I'm just like just get enough protein from whatever sources, as long as it's you know, multiple sources or animal sources, it's fine. It's all fine.
Speaker 3:I totally agree. There was a recent study that was like claiming that EAs were better than protein, but then you read into it. The protein shake they were giving these people was like half carbs, like it wasn't even fully like an actual.
Speaker 1:so you have to skew it some way to make it seem better for you. If you're gonna like sell it, you know yeah, the amount of p hacking and like yeah straight up manipulation of the literature that I've seen people do on tiktok and everywhere it's, but it makes sense though right, because like these things are super cheap to make and you know you can sell them for a lot before we go further for the audience, quickly tell them what p hacking is oh so, uh, I love talking about p hacking okay so I learned
Speaker 3:this I learned this term last semester, when I was working with a postdoc and he kept on like showing me how to spot this. P hacking is basically, let's say you have a sample size of a bunch of people and a bunch of them drop out. Instead of redoing the study and actually like getting enough people to like account for all the data, you just keep the people who dropped out. Let's say, everybody who dropped out was in the control group and everybody who didn't drop out was in the experimental group. Now there is a lot more data points in the experimental group than the control group. And even if there was like no significant difference because of the people who dropped out yeah, I can't explain this properly, can I? It's so complicated. But it's basically you're manipulating the data. Where there's more data points, that kind of like edges the significance to make it seem more significant than it actually is. So, let's say, the people who dropped out didn't drop out, it would no longer be significant right you basically just use.
Speaker 1:You can take a study and you can manipulate it enough to make it seem like something is more favorable for what you wanted and so, and that's, I feel like that's especially prevalent in like supplements, because you know, I mean exactly, it's not a lot of studies and you find you can usually find enough and you can do enough to be like, yeah, take this, because it does all sorts of shit. So I don't know, I'm just yeah, that's why I'm always skeptical.
Speaker 2:And this is why the repeatability of results is so important.
Speaker 1:Right, but there's definitely like not even repeated, because like there's so few studies for a lot of these things you know it's like it's got like a remember, fucking holy shit.
Speaker 2:You guys remember terkesterone, oh holy shit. So for anybody, listening, terkesterone I.
Speaker 1:I promise you the reason it took off is because it sounds like testosterone. That's the reason that people were like, oh, this has got to be good. But people called it what Like bug steroids or whatever, like all sorts of shit, and it had like a few studies in like animals that like maybe it's like anabolic and promotes muscle building. The humans tests were like almost nothing. But you found one or two and man shit took off and they were selling that stuff left and right and you couldn't get your hands on it so were selling oh, it was just a mess you want to know the funny part?
Speaker 3:they weren't even testing terkesterone in these rats. They were testing um ect steroids. What's he did?
Speaker 1:ect so there's yeah is terkesterone a type of ect steroid, or was?
Speaker 3:yes, yes, right plants to grow, they need a cocktail of ecdysteroids. It's not just terkestrone. So right, like saying it's literally like the bcaa protein argument, like bcaas alone aren't going to help you build a muscle, but bcaas plus all the other eaas that will help you build muscle right same sort of thing where terkesterone is like the bcaas, while the ect steroids is all of the eaas together okay, got it because ect, steroids, whatever, man, all these fucking names that's been around for a while like in, like muscle magazines and like the 80s and 90s, and it every so often just kind of comes back.
Speaker 1:And then I think they found terkesterone and because it sounds like testosterone, it was like, wow, oh, that sounds better. And so you know you could make a bunch of money off. I mean they were selling that shit for 50 dollars, hundred dollars a bottle man, greg. Do set me bang, greg just said uh, you know, even derrick, more plates, more dates was selling it for a while.
Speaker 3:God, that's the entire thing with Derek. He knows just enough to be more knowledgeable than the general population and to sell things like Tercastrone, and it frustrates me to no end.
Speaker 1:I like his a lot of his. So I do like his like pre-workout, Like I think it's pretty good. It doesn't have fucking beta alanine. So that's really all I need because fuck that compound that's the itchy butthole compound, makes just your skin and everything tingle and itch and I just I hate it so much. So that's why I always bought gorilla mode, because I was like it doesn't have that it's got. It's got the pump ingredients, it's got caffeine.
Speaker 3:Okay, I'm good and their energy drinks are really good like their energy drinks.
Speaker 1:I feel like I mean for me. I think derrick on the under test drone just saw an option to make money and it's like it's hard for me to hate on that because I'm like, listen, he saw how much money he could make off that and I'm sure he made bank, so like definitely, yeah, I.
Speaker 3:I the only like. The only thing that that really ground my gears was when he backpedaled on it for a second and I just oh, I didn't see, I didn't really look, I don't really know anything about that, yeah. I don't pay too much mind to it because it's like you got to get your bank at some point.
Speaker 1:Right, he has a supplement company, they're all trying to make money.
Speaker 3:I just kind of expect it from supplement companies to a certain degree, right yeah, yeah, at a certain point, like I can see why, like people do, like I've had people come into my dms and like beg me for specific supplements right I feel like at some point, if my company did get successful enough, I might be willing to bend to an extent. But it's like, how far would I be willing to go? It's like I guess it all just depends on the person.
Speaker 1:I mean, there's so many 21 year old males that just want to get jacked and we'll bet, we'll pay for pretty much anything that you say Starts with a T and ends in sterone. I'm going to be selling my new Trombalone.
Speaker 3:You guys, you're not going to believe it.
Speaker 1:It's going to get you so ripped and jacked $100 a bottle.
Speaker 3:The funniest part is that the ecstasy steroids that were found to work were injected. They weren't even consumed orally.
Speaker 1:Were they? I didn't know that.
Speaker 3:And it was like all of them, because the mice were injected. You can't really like give them the pill orally.
Speaker 1:It's like an if, listen, I'm not an expert on like PEDs, but I know, even like testosterone, when you take it like you pin, that you would inject it. You don't just like. You know, like there's a, it's a much different. There's there's there's difference in the route it takes.
Speaker 3:There's. There's there's difference in the route it takes. Yeah, and I mean if you were to like orally consume testosterone, not all of it, or at least a significant amount, would not even be like used by your body If that were the case then every time we ate animal products or a hot dose of testosterone, but like clearly not happening. So it's like the same sort of thing with like these steroids.
Speaker 1:And it's like Interesting, but it's got steroid in its name, so you know I love it. And now, so what's your opinion on the whole SARM situation? We talked about this last time, for sure we didn't. I don't think we did.
Speaker 2:Dove into SARM. We've mentioned it once arms.
Speaker 1:So selective androgen receptor modulator, yeah, yeah, okay, so like steroids, but not and that's what I see from a lot of these like young, you know, young males are like it's all the benefits of steroids without any of the side effects. Get jacked today, you know that sort of stuff. Sunday, sunday, sunday, get ripped and jacked by my I don't know what it's, what are. I don't even know what the fucking sarms are. Uh, no, the antivirus steroid shit. Uh no, I know a sarm. Listen, I can name a sarm.
Speaker 3:Uh yk11 is one.
Speaker 1:Yk11 is interesting oh I, I don't know that one.
Speaker 3:It's a myostatin inhibitor, but it also acts as a selective androgen receptor modulator Okay. Not my favorite, it's all of them are so toxic, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 1:All of these you swallow, right. This is orally ingested, and then your liver has to deal with it as well, which is a big concern for me. That's very concerning.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1:And then, on top of that, it's like some of these kids who, like I've seen, like online, like just broadcast, that they take it, they make it out to see, yeah, good seriously, I think yeah stink like I I see this a lot, especially from, like the young males that, like you know, this is the benefits of steroids without any of the side effects, and they really go into like, if you're not taking starms, you're an idiot. Look at me and that's. I see, that's, that's.
Speaker 3:That's so much, unfortunately and you know, that kind of reminds me of the entire like have you guys heard of? Like the injectable and cart injectable carnitine? Bad thing that was going out around? No, I don't think so everybody was doing like injectable carnitine, I even tried it Veterinary grade carnitine.
Speaker 3:I tried it at one point. The funny part is is that I've also realized that a lot of people were not even like the people who were doing injectable carnitine, weren't doing it correctly because they kept on leaving it on their counter and letting it denature. And I'm just like sitting there like dude you're talking about, like taking different peptides, and you're leaving it all out on your counter, but that's the thing.
Speaker 1:These kids are like 17 years old, right, like I have. So there's so many concerns, right? Because, like, if you're first off, if you're young, you're still growing and you're going to affect, you're going to change your hormones while you're still fucking developing. That's not great. Also, you're stupid. I've been a 17-year-old male. You're dumb as shit. So, like you're going to do, you're not going to do it, even the way it's intended, and the way it's intended is already dumb, so you're just adding layers of dumbness on top of it. And's just like I. I say just avoid all of that, just just. You know, lift weights and eat protein, that's all great. Just just stick with that lift weights, eat protein and sleep, that's good it's fine creatine.
Speaker 3:Sure, there you go if you want to take something, take creatine but stay away from like the injectable stuff or like peptides and shit that you have to take something. Take creatine but stay away from the injectable stuff or peptides and shit that you have to keep in the refrigerator.
Speaker 2:You're supposed to keep in the refrigerator, but you don't.
Speaker 1:Did you see the fried rice? The kid that left fried rice on his counter for a week and he passed away because he left his meal preps on just his counter for a week, just like, and he died. He passed away because he left his like meal preps on just his counter for seven days and he got really sick and just went to bed like, didn't even go to the hospital after he got sick and he just passed away. So, like when you're like I'm saying like and you know it's a very unfortunate circumstance, but like I think we can learn from this like when you're young, you do things that are just not the most intelligent. So we really stick with the basics here before we go on to anything else. Don't leave food on your counter for a week and eat it. How about that? Let's start there.
Speaker 3:Man, there were so many things that I like. I just remember, like how smart I thought I was until I like, actually, get to things and it's like 100% stupid you are, and it's like when you start growing older and older, it's just like you realize.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:The Dunning-Kruger effect. Dunning-kruger effect A hundred percent, the less you know the more you think you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, don't be stupid. That's why we say don't be your worst, right, because like you're not going to be your best. This is exactly why we say just try and not be the dumbest you could possibly be.
Speaker 3:And you know work from there.
Speaker 1:When did you realize that you felt like you knew?
Speaker 3:nothing.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, yeah, that's a good question. Um, let's see. Okay, so when I started like kind of learning about nutrition, I definitely fell into like the, the, the health culture, you know, the gurus and stuff, the bobbies of the world, that sort of thing, and I was like, oh yeah, this is so obvious, uh, that america is poisoning our food and it's just like all these seed oils that are causing these problems. And then I slowly started getting introduced to people who are actually knowledgeable, like the food science babes and stuff of the world, and then I was like, oh shit, okay, let me look into this a little bit more. And then more people I started listening to.
Speaker 1:When you listen to actual experts, you're like, oh wow, so there's a lot of shit we just don't know, uh. And so I think, just from there, like I was like, okay, well, I'm just gonna be okay with the fact that I don't know everything and just stick with the absolute basics, because that will get people 90 95 the way there. If you just do the basics and you don't fucking you whittle down to these tiny things that make very little difference definitely agree with that.
Speaker 3:That. That's a really good way to look at it. I definitely fell into the trap of that too. Just broad spectrum like this is bad. This is good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3:Oh my god dumb.
Speaker 1:It makes life so much better. I'm telling you like, just be okay with not knowing things and you will feel so. I feel, look at how, look how great I am. I'm like the most peppy person and I don't know dick. Like you really have to just be okay with being like there's a lot of shit I'll never know and that's and that's fine, because as long as I do these core, essential things, we're good, it's, it's fine, we're good, we're my god.
Speaker 2:Or essential things like putting your food in the refrigerator.
Speaker 1:Like put your food in the refrigerator. Don't inject things into your body that you don't know really where they came from. You know sleep and eat.
Speaker 2:Don't inject things into your body, even if you do know where they came from, like your urine, for example.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, was that an actual? Thing?
Speaker 1:Oh, that was Dave Asprey, yeah, why. For biohacking. Ella, you idiot. It's about biohacking. This is how we live to 150. How do you not know this already?
Speaker 2:I thought his goal was 180.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm assuming he's going come down. I'm assuming he's. Once he reaches like 80, he's gonna be like well, I might have an overshot there a little bit who, in their right mind, injects their own urine.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, that's just like exactly.
Speaker 1:We all know you drink it like a normal person stupid people aged like a fine urine. No one drinks fresh urine and we don't I mean, yeah, there's.
Speaker 1:I mean there's just so much shit out there and that's why people get confused, because anybody with a phone, can you know, put that stuff out there and make themselves seem like an expert. I mean how many? Uh, my wife just was like, oh, like do you see this guy? And I was like, yeah, I know that guy. I've done videos on that guy. It was a fucking. It's one of those, it's one of the chiropractors that goes by doctor. If you ever see someone that just says that I'm doctor, this way people no, no, not different, different, different, but those are also terrible.
Speaker 1:They're terrible, but like if you ever see just like doctor in their profile and doesn't say what their doctor of or anything like that and they're giving nutrition advice.
Speaker 3:Chiropractor 99 chance that they're a chiropractor yeah speaking of chiropractors, I recently found out that, um, because a family member that I have I'm not going to name names is anti-va-vax he gave me not on Jackson's side, surprisingly on my side but a family member is not completely anti-vax, but kind of anti-vax to the point where it's like I don't trust anti-vax. But he gave me the family member, gave me COVID, Um, and then I ended up getting like happy birthday and TSA syndrome, which led to my ribs slipping out.
Speaker 3:So now my rib has been popping in and out of place for like six months.
Speaker 1:No shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they didn't know it was. And, um, yeah, so that that, so that that that basically happened.
Speaker 1:And then my, the same family member recommended me to go to a chiropractor to pop it back. Yeah, I mean, listen, I don't like, I don't want to yuck anyone's yum here. You know, like, if you, if you go to a chiropractor and they help you and you know, that's all great, but skeptical, but skeptical, skeptical is the word I would use.
Speaker 2:There's certainly some dangerous stuff that some chiropractors do Adjusting children.
Speaker 1:They're doing neck adjustments on babies and stuff that is not. I would never bring my daughter to a chiropractor when she's a fucking baby. That's crazy to me.
Speaker 3:Hell no, I would never let a chiropractor when she's like a fucking baby, that's crazy to me hell no, and I would never let a chiropractor go anywhere near my rib cage like I'm good so does it just float around, like, like, because once it's, because it's a it's, that's where it's inserted, like you know, like you're what happens?
Speaker 3:basically, it's the fake ribs, the false ribs that attached to the cartilage and what happened was either at the sternum or at the joint that connects the cartilage to my ribs. It decided to pop out. I'm pretty sure it was at the sternum, because I can feel it there primarily. If it was at the ribs it would be a little more serious. If it was at the ribs it would be a little more serious. But basically it shifts in and out and it hurts to take deep breaths in on one side for some weird reason. But yeah, it's been. I can't do some exercises and it's the worst thing on the planet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but.
Speaker 3:I'm getting surgery on. I was going to ask like are they?
Speaker 1:just going to go in there and just be, was gonna ask like, are they just gonna go in there and just be like, uh, let's just shove that right back in there, that's, that's fine yeah, so their theory was that, due to covid, it caused inflammation, which inflammation, or like some sort of like, it irritated my rib cage. Well, did you stop eating seed oils when you had COVID, because obviously that added to it. Jeez, be careful.
Speaker 2:No, instead you put them in your pre-workout.
Speaker 3:The funny part is I don't even really eat seed oils. I have my canola oil spray at best, anyways. So basically, that's their theory is either I coughed and it slipped out or my rib cage got inflamed due to covid somehow. There's a few like reviews, like study case, case studies on it that I remember reading about, but short, uh long story short. They're gonna take like some wire thing and wrap it around my rib cage and put it back in place and that's that's the plan with that.
Speaker 1:But it fucking sucks, because this all could have been avoided, everything but yeah, so it just floats around your body now like a uterus, which, anyway, yeah, the reason I say that? Because recently I did a video and there was this like selling, um, what you call the pink tax. So you know, the pink tax, they sell things, make things pink, sell it to women, charge more and so that someone made a comment about that on my video and I was like, oh yeah, like they used to believe that the uterus just wandered around the woman's body and I was like that's the greatest idea ever. I don't know why I love that, but that it just kind of like floats around and then like goes to where it needs to when it, when it does. Oh yeah, the wandering uterus was a real thing. It was like you know the earth.
Speaker 1:yes, it was oh yeah, it was. Who's the first doctor? Like what was uh wasn't he famous for? Like the first, uh the hippocrates I think was like famous for that.
Speaker 3:I think yeah, yeah, I think hippocrates was hippocratic yeah you know what that reminds me of? Have you ever seen uh walking kinase? Uh, kinason, kindson proteins before what? Now? Huh, there's these little motor proteins that basically walk around, walk along microtubule filaments inside of your cells. They're so cute, um, I, I just have to send you guys uh yeah, it sounds like something would be great for what's uh.
Speaker 1:What's uh hank green's channel, like whatever they thought they're there's their science channel thing, whatever it's called but it's, it's, it's.
Speaker 3:So if they're so cute, I've never like, oh my God. I'm so stupid. I didn't really realize what they were until I started getting into like actin polymerization lately because I've been studying a protein that's involved in that. But it's a very cute little fellow.
Speaker 2:Everything gets quiet as we now watch this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, now we, now we gotta do that, and I was also looking up the, the, the uterus thing.
Speaker 3:Um, now, yeah it goes into hysteria which is hilarious.
Speaker 1:If you never looked into the history of hysteria, you you absolutely need to. It's, it's amazing. Humans are great. That's basically the TLDR.
Speaker 3:Humans are interesting creatures.
Speaker 1:Okay, it was an ancient Greek belief that a wandering uterus needed to be confined and controlled, caused women's health problems.
Speaker 3:What the fuck.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's it's, great.
Speaker 3:When you said wandering uterus, I just thought of the kinesin protein, or kinesin protein.
Speaker 2:This thing looks like a toy from the 90s.
Speaker 3:I know it's so freaking hilarious.
Speaker 1:Well, so yeah, that's. What's important about supplements is the wandering uterus and wandering proteins.
Speaker 2:That's the biggest takeaway from this. So what supplements should we be taking for our wandering uterus?
Speaker 1:uteri, uteri, it's the uteri. Oh shit, well I gotta say it's, it's.
Speaker 3:So what? What do you think of the pink tax? I'm I'm kind of curious what you think of it. I it doesn't bother me much because I just buy men's products yeah, you know that's.
Speaker 1:I mean that's what I got from a lot of comments on my videos, like I just buy men's razors or deodorant or you know whatever it is, because it's just more. I saw stool softeners. They have women's stool softeners. Yeah, it's specifically for women because you, you don't want the men's soft stool, you want women's soft stool. It's, it costs more, is great, like I. So yeah, just uh, it's um, I would say it's probably well. Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't know, like it just kind of sucks. Like a lot of a lot of things for women just seem to be worse, like you know their, their, their pants don't have pockets.
Speaker 2:Like I'd be pissed if I put on a pair of pants and didn't have pockets, or like tiny pockets.
Speaker 1:The fake pot, all the fake pockets get fucked. Anybody who makes a fake pocket like I hate you.
Speaker 3:Like, why it's just worse than not even having one. Oh my God, I have actually a very funny story about that. So there's a my lab coat has fake pockets and I didn't realize the first day that I was there in a lab coat. Uh, we were doing a western block and I had like kumasi, which is basically this dye, and I had like a little vial of it it was like mixed with a bunch of other stuff and I decided to put it in my like pocket for a second and it dropped right through.
Speaker 2:Oh shit.
Speaker 3:And it spilt and it was blue dye that doesn't come out very easily and to have her made that piece of clothing.
Speaker 1:Fuck them Right Like you don't like. Why would you? Why would you get fake pie, especially in the lab? It's like like lab equipment that's fucked yeah, it's uh not fun it.
Speaker 3:They're literally like holes in the lab coat. I'm like why can't they just be pockets here, like I've dropped my phone through the freaking holes like three times by now?
Speaker 1:yeah, that sucks well. Anyway, I guess before like because we're coming up on like an hour here before we leave, you know, let's run through some like quick supplements that we got like asked about a lot. I'm curious to like your thoughts. All right, let's go like a multivitamin. What do you think of the multivitamin? I get asked about that a lot.
Speaker 3:Overrated.
Speaker 1:I definitely think it's overrated. Like if you have a real shit diet, like you're just like you eat French fries and like chicken nuggets and that's like all you eat, then yeah, maybe it could be beneficial. But like, just try and eat different foods.
Speaker 3:If you're going to take a multivitamin, because some of the multivitamins they don't even like really cover all of your vitamins completely Sure. Like some of them. They're like they don't fully dose all of the vitamins that you need for the entire day. If you, if you're deficient in a vitamin, just supplement with that and, like, ask the doctor about it or your diet all like the meta-analysis show like there's really no like longevity benefits to multivitamins.
Speaker 1:It's just like it's. I just don't okay. So multivitamin overrated. What about fish oil? Always get asked about the fish oil depends if you need it.
Speaker 3:Do you need omegas? In your diet are you eating a really low fat diet?
Speaker 1:yeah, I guess, if you were eating like, really like, you'd have to have a very straight. I feel like you'd have a very specific kind of odd diet in order for it to be beneficial. Plus, like there's have been some studies showing it causes possible arrhythmias, and that might just be due to, like tainted supplements, because that's always, you know, a possibility.
Speaker 1:A lot of the more recent research is like yeah, these things aren't that great, yeah, so fish like and the fish and these omega threes are very fragile, so like transferring them to a supplement is just not the great thing. And then they're in the shelf on this pill. For a while, just try and eat a fish. Or chia seeds, flax seeds, all those Walnuts that stuff's great, but what about what's that one, I always get asked. So the fish oil multivitamins.
Speaker 2:What else do we always get asked about? Tell? Us your thoughts on Shilajit Shilajit, Ah shit, oh you mean Shilajit.
Speaker 1:If you take Shilajit every day, this is what happens to you you become a superhero.
Speaker 3:You're eating a fucking mountain, mm.
Speaker 1:But it's got a hundred, all a hundred minerals that your body needs, or whatever a hundred minerals? No, there's not, there's like 10 or 20 or something like this no, let's see that's it, that that's even more than overrated.
Speaker 3:That's just like dumb, like a bodybuilder eating a super low fat diet, benefiting from like a high quality fish oil maybe. Yeah maybe like very, that's a very high, big maybe. Like I still think they're overrated, I think you should just get it from your diet and like call it a day yeah but like kill a shit, no, no no.
Speaker 2:Just no.
Speaker 3:Just no.
Speaker 1:Let's go to the ones that I think maybe are possibly beneficial, like your vitamin D's. What do you think? What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3:For Michiganders yes, if you're in Michigan, please take vitamin D, because you get no sun. I mean in Ohio.
Speaker 2:I work nights, Including those north of Michigan.
Speaker 1:Looking at you canadians yeah, yeah, I mean I'm here in ohio winter, fucking no sun. I work nights like, yeah, I mean it's, I don't get out in the sun very much. So you know, could be beneficial. And then you know the fiber supplements. I always, anytime I talk about fiber, they're like no, I don't want to eat real food, because real whole foods, I should say, because that's stupid. I just want to take a supplement. What are you so? What are your thoughts on the supplement of the fiber?
Speaker 3:um, if it's like I use powdered psyllium to make my like pancakes and like my thing. So like that's the only way I can say justify using a fiber supplement, like if you're drinking it with water. What the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 1:It's convenient, it's. I mean, it's simple. I can't.
Speaker 3:It's convenient but tastes like literal slime.
Speaker 1:It doesn't taste great. No, no, I just made these immunity shots. Look at these little guys. They taste awful. It's ginger and lemon and I did it for a video and it tastes rough.
Speaker 2:Let me just put it so way. It tastes so bad. You didn't finish them.
Speaker 1:I did not finish. No, there's still plenty in there. I took one sip and put that shit down. So, Fibers, that's so crazy. You know, Fibers, if you're not getting enough and you refuse to get it from foods or you can't get it from foods for whatever reason then, yeah, you can supplement if you want, just not as beneficial.
Speaker 3:Um, what are your thoughts on gaba gaba? I actually don't like gaba. Um, there was something that I remember reading about where it has a very bad effect on, like a certain receptor in your brain. Don't ask me the specifics, I don't know it off the top of my head I'm not a neurologist but I remember hearing something about it like down-regulating a certain receptor and being not good for you, especially for sleep. I feel like you would know.
Speaker 1:I haven't really looked too much into taking that, at least as a supplement. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3:I just remember hearing that it had a negative effect and it down-regulated something in your brain. I remember hearing it somewhere. I would need to do more research, but based on what I've heard, I would say overrated.
Speaker 1:As are most supplements, any other ones you think are worth the money. Let's just put it that way.
Speaker 3:Magnesium.
Speaker 1:I can see that If you're not getting enough from food, okay fine, what type of magnesium, since we always get fucking asked every time. Oh I.
Speaker 3:I don't give a fuck, I'll just say magnesium. It's hard to get magnesium in your diet.
Speaker 2:At least like Whatever, magnesium doesn't give you shits, there you go let's just put it that's a good way.
Speaker 1:Try different ones. Whatever doesn't make you shit your pants, that's the one you should go with I actually like the magnesium citrate for that.
Speaker 3:Just it helps keep you regular too.
Speaker 2:So dual purpose, if it works for you.
Speaker 1:Go for it. That way you don't have to take the, the lady's stool softener, you can just take some, oh that's one that I would like be like very wary about senna.
Speaker 3:Don't take senna, please. It makes you like addicted to it. Basically it's a stool softener's like. Worse, it's like somebody who has constipation's worst nightmare, because it makes you hooked onto it For the people selling it.
Speaker 1:That sounds great.
Speaker 3:It was like a melon, something coli or whatever.
Speaker 2:Oh no.
Speaker 3:Melanosis coli? I'm pretty sure, or was it? Yeah, melanosis coli, it's like a non-inflammatory condition of the colon. It occurs after taking like laxatives, like Senna. It makes the inner part of your colon dark and smooth. It basically like weakens the smooth muscle and makes it so that way you need to use Senna to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 2:It's so bad, oh okay. Interesting, oh okay.
Speaker 3:Interesting.
Speaker 1:The only reason I know that is because my mom used to take Senna and asked me why she was always constipated when she wasn't taking Senna. Yeah, so basically just err on the side of caution with supplements and always try to do what you can. Well, I saw.
Speaker 2:Jackson sneaking in the back there.
Speaker 3:What's his favorite supplement? That's a good question. I'm pretty sure his favorite supplement is not necessarily. It's not really a supplement, it's more of like a medication.
Speaker 2:Is it ice cream?
Speaker 3:No, he enjoys. He enjoys Tadalafil for not the actual prescription, sure.
Speaker 2:I've been there where I say that for sure he actually uses it for his workout, which is I've heard of that. The Viagra Cialis pumps, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think it's Cialis is generic. Or is it Viagra Cialis generic?
Speaker 2:Yeah one of those Viagra is sildenafil.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, I don't remember that one. I only took Cialis.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and caffeine and caffeine, there you go.
Speaker 1:I thought you were going to say MK677 we both hate that.
Speaker 3:We hate that.
Speaker 1:I despise it the growth hormone secretagogue. It's not even like a SARB, apparently it's supposed. I've never taken it. It's supposed to help increase the amount of human growth hormone you release.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, it's so bad. It's not even really just for growth hormone. It mimics ghrelin, so it makes you hungry.
Speaker 1:I was going to say doesn't it make you super hungry? That was the other thing it makes you super hungry.
Speaker 3:That's good. From what I remember reading about is pharmacokinetics. It's just like hunger yeah, so don't worry people.
Speaker 2:If you're gonna go enhance, just do the steroids honestly like. If you're gonna go like the enhance, route.
Speaker 1:I think you're just better off just going like testosterone just taking, just like, if you can get it. Just like you know there's like I don't like the people the testosterone replacement, like that I you know, I think has definitely efficacy and I get that. But like all this other shit, these like end arounds that people are doing, if that seems it makes no sense like just take the real stuff if you're gonna like yeah yeah if you're gonna do it, just take the real stuff I'm not saying I recommend it, but like you,
Speaker 1:know hey you talk to your doctor if you're going to do it then testosterone.
Speaker 3:We know what testosterone does in the body little fun fact about like the whole testosterone stuff. Um, synthetic testosterone, or at least from one source of it, is from yams. From what I was reading and I actually I paid for and saved the paper explaining how to make synthetic testosterone because I was interested interesting, that's weird.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've never, never, never heard of that and it's specifically a mexican yam.
Speaker 3:If you've ever seen it, they're the most x-rated yam I think you've ever seen in your life, because it's this white, slimy, gooey translucenty yeah what I'm getting from you is we should buy them, put them into pill form and say that'll increase your testosterone.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm getting from you and sell it for 20 a bottle no, no, okay, but I I would call it yambalone interesting yambalone dude, we've got it. Man, listen, we're learning so many ways to scam people I love this to get, to get our water or whatever it was, our dragon water, I don't remember, and we'll figure, we'll go back and look that one up. And then, yambalone, just take these yams, put them in a pill, say like it mimics testosterone, boom. Uh, we're gonna be raking it in so have you gotten the new yambalone?
Speaker 3:this jam is in the same like family. It's extremely slimy, it looks. It looks R rated.
Speaker 1:It doesn't look like it should be a yam.
Speaker 3:I've never I've never heard of this. I'm going to send you guys a picture because it's quite, it looks like a yeast infection.
Speaker 1:I'll be honest. What's it called? Let me just look it up. What is this Mexican?
Speaker 3:yam, what is this? Here I'm sending a picture the best picture I could find into the group chat. People are going to be asking what the fuck is going on, but that's okay.
Speaker 2:That's a yam.
Speaker 3:That's grated mountain yam.
Speaker 1:It looks kind of like cheese it looks like some kind of weird cottage cheese, kind of grainy, yeah, like a yeast infection, yambalone, coming to you soon in moderation. So if people want to learn more about how to increase their testosterone through various other means, where can?
Speaker 3:they find you. Okay, I'm scientific snitch and I believe it's also scientific snitch on YouTube. So well, at the chemist with an X on YouTube. Scientific snitch on tech talk and the same thing as YouTube, but with a period in the center. I'm still trying to figure out how I'm going to. I'm right there with an X. At least it's not right there with triple X. Hey, this is easy. It's just the plant slant.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, you know I mean still like, but I've got like underscores and shit my Instagram. I don't know man, it doesn't matter, it's all it's all fine, let's look up scientific extension.
Speaker 3:You should be.
Speaker 2:There you go, there you go and if anybody wants to find your pre-workout, it is the X H.
Speaker 3:I S Tcom there. That's a way to spell it out but thank you guys for having me on again. I appreciate it and I'm I'm sorry for the last. I, I, I think I I didn't realize what day it was. Um, I got thrown into the deep end with my PI and my crazy PI.
Speaker 1:So yeah, listen, we don't know what's going on half the time here. Anyway, we just throw shit together and hope it works, and so far it's been going fine, so we just rolled it.
Speaker 2:I don't think we need to hear about your private infection.
Speaker 1:Private infection oh shit.
