In Moderation
Providing health, nutrition and fitness advice in moderate amounts to help you live your best life.
Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
In Moderation
Power Couple Dynamics and Protein Picks: Unleashing Fitness Wisdom with the Ziegler Monsters
What happens when a fitness coach turned internet personality teams up with a professor and veterinarian to tackle social media's wild world? Meet David and Amanda Ziegler, the dynamic duo known as the Ziegler Monsters. This week on "In Moderation," we unfold their journey from professional careers to social media stardom, Amanda's unexpected rise on TikTok, and their shared love for Fairlife products. Expect humor, insights, and a deep dive into the importance of accurate, educational content in a world rife with misinformation.
Craving protein-packed snacks but unsure where to start? We've got you covered! Discover our breakdown of the best protein-rich treats, from the perfect blend of Fairlife milk and Hershey's chocolate to the superior taste and texture of Magic Spoon and Three Wishes cereals. We also discuss how Quest chips and pastries strike a balance between nutrition and indulgence. Whether you're a gym fanatic or just looking to up your protein game, this episode offers invaluable tips on practical supplements, debunking myths, and integrating diverse protein sources into your diet.
But that's not all. We explore the intense world of bodybuilding, discussing both the physical and psychological challenges athletes face. Hear personal fitness goals, the quest for balance, and what it's like to pursue professional status in the IFBB. From our gym equipment reviews to the nuanced culture of fitness in Japan, this episode is packed with intriguing discussions and practical advice. We even touch on the importance of trust, adaptability, and the sheer value of taking action, whether in the gym or in life. Don't miss out on this captivating and comprehensive conversation!
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welcome back to in moderation, where liam's about to tell you it's episode 69, because 69 again.
Speaker 2:Every episode is episode 69, since I can't remember any of them it's all a blur. When you have an eight month old, everything's kind of just a blur. It runs together, it's fine, it's all fine I'm not my worst.
Speaker 1:You say oakley's also 69 69.
Speaker 2:I just say everything is 69. It makes life easier. Whatever makes life easier, I'm all in for. Anyway, but for our fifth episode of episode 69,. Who do we have on the podcast?
Speaker 1:Well, this is a special episode of 69 because it's our first power couple. We got the.
Speaker 2:Ziegler monsters. How are you guys doing? We're good. How are you? Very well, it's our first power couple we got the Ziegler monsters.
Speaker 3:Yeah, how you guys doing, we're good. How are you Very?
Speaker 2:well, always good. Clearly, we're clearly always good. Yeah, I think this is the first time we've had a couple on the episode. That's awesome, all right. So, yeah, why don't you guys, since we're so?
Speaker 3:terrible introducing our guests. Why don't you guys introduce yourselves a little?
Speaker 4:bit and tell us about you Want to go first? Sure, my name is David Ziegler. On social media I'm known as Ziegler Monster, and then mostly what I am is a fitness coach, but really I'm an internet personality. At this point it's kind of morphed into that, which is a little bit more fun.
Speaker 2:I must say, it usually goes that way. It usually starts off somewhere and then morphs into that.
Speaker 4:I find, yeah, I went from a commercial gym with my collared shirt, making sure people did their kickups, to riding dirt bikes with this girl Nice.
Speaker 3:So I'm Amanda Dr Amanda Ziegler, or the Ziegler Monsters wife, depending on the context. I am a veterinarian and a scientist and my job is as a professor at a public university, teaching and doing research. But I sometimes create TikToks now just because I was answering questions for David on some of his posts, and then people liked it and. I chimed in, so I thought maybe I could just start posting myself.
Speaker 2:I was gonna ask you about this Is your delve into the terrible world that is social media? Is that recent? Or is this because it seems like it's been recent? That's when I started getting tagged in.
Speaker 3:Your videos is somewhat recently yeah, recently enough, I think I started my account, like last fall, towards the end of the year, yeah, something like that yeah, but I haven't been posting like that kind of content until recently, so I think it was just recently that it took off and it was because I did a response video that was pretty. Uh, I know the response because I got tagged in about 127 times or so. I was just like oh my God.
Speaker 2:And no, it was more than six usually 69.
Speaker 3:So if your number, was like 69.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not squared. What's the other one cubed that? I know math, I'm so good at this. So, yeah, that was on the. That was that. That was on the fair life. I remember that.
Speaker 3:I remember that, right, that's the original video. Yeah, it was one of the. It was one of the Bobby people, I think, right, yes, the Bobby people. So Bobby Parrish is.
Speaker 2:Flav City, and then he has somebody who he, like you know, manages his whole thing and they've been bringing on other people, other just the worst people they can find.
Speaker 1:They basically just scoop them off the street and then just kind of push them towards grocery stores and film them. So yes, there was one of them. We can tell that she's new to this because her eyes haven't glazed over with your pain of listening to these things over and over again.
Speaker 3:He wasn't even on my For you page, it was on david's for you page and he showed it to me and I was like that's ridiculous. I can respond to all of those points quickly, so I did well, yeah, because they don't.
Speaker 2:So what they don't put into their videos is thought and so if you're able to put a little bit of that into a response. It's not that hard because it's most of his video is just like where's the protein coming from?
Speaker 3:I'm just like oh boy.
Speaker 2:Oh boy.
Speaker 1:We got to start from ground zero, don't?
Speaker 3:we, I'm an educator. So like that's how I approach. So I was just like, hey, that's a great question, Let me explain.
Speaker 2:So what is your take on fair life?
Speaker 3:uh, you're totally against it and you hate it so, um, we've been like talking about fair life for a long time, because there's pictures of, like our fridge filled to the brim with it, since, like years and years ago nice, you were inanie yeah, oh, my god he is yeah took them a while but they got there yeah, that's awesome. Thank you for wearing it.
Speaker 4:You look fantastic man, very stylish yeah we're like built by Fairlife.
Speaker 3:We just want the macros on it and the lower sugar is awesome.
Speaker 2:I know, I was just drinking one, it's not in here, who knows on it, and the lower sugar is awesome. So I know I was just drinking one. It's not in here, who knows where it is. My life again is a mess. But yeah, fair life is like by far the best tasting, because I think we I don't know if we've talked about this before where basically it's ultra filtered milk instead of just like water with protein powder, which is like what most you know, like pure, you know, pure proteins and all those things are just kind of like water and then whatever cheap protein powder which.
Speaker 2:Listen, if you're a gym bro like you, just slam those, it doesn't matter. But if you're someone whose taste hasn't been ruined by years of being a gym bro, you generally want something that tastes a little bit better. I think Fair Life is, at least for me, the best tasting one.
Speaker 3:It's like the milkiest milk Like. If you like milk, you'll really like it.
Speaker 2:You should contact Fairlife and tell them.
Speaker 3:You got a new slogan for them.
Speaker 2:It's the milkiest milk.
Speaker 4:I would love a Fairlife sponsorship.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we've been joking, but we could definitely do that for years. Not a joke actually.
Speaker 1:Don't knock that over. But something really important came up there because you guys call these beanies. What's up with that?
Speaker 3:I saw that. What do you call?
Speaker 4:it Toboggan, tukes, tukes, I've never heard that, I've never in my entire life heard those letters put together to make that word.
Speaker 3:I think officially it's a knit cap, but that's really lame, uh, being like a northeastern term, I think a northeastern american I've always heard it beanie.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I've heard beanie too I've always heard it's a bargain up here in canada, we call these toques I really like that all right, yeah, we going to put that in the description.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there you go but people will have no idea what you're talking about your.
Speaker 1:Canadian sales will go through the roof.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah some people are going to know. Unfortunately, in Canada it's $99.95.
Speaker 3:I mean just because everything costs far too much $60 yeah, with the shipping, but yeah.
Speaker 2:so I saw you kind of like recently got into these. And then there was another, though the egg one was just great, where a woman was saying don't eat eggs because they are used as a vessel to study disease or something like that. It was amazing.
Speaker 3:It was. If we eliminated everything that was ever used for research, there would be nothing left.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 3:That was the wild logic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because we're always coming up with new ways to not eat something. Right, there's always like a new thing. So I feel like you got to be like original with it. You can't just do the same old seed oil, sugar. That's boring by now. Right, like you need a new thing. So I feel like it was used to study disease. That's not bad. Like I feel like we could.
Speaker 3:We could do better, but we'll figure it out how great it is, because it's a nutritionally balanced superfood.
Speaker 2:It depends on how you freeze it oh, but uh, yeah, and then uh for for david. I remember, um, I saw I got attacked in your video. We try, I try you. You had the uh was the protein ramen. I remember that. So the cardboard ramen, what's it? Oh god, was it in me. I want to say it was like in me or something like that god bless him for something that I don't.
Speaker 4:Thank you so much, but yeah, this wasn't for me, so yeah, For anybody listening, they do make protein ramen.
Speaker 2:It is $69. It is relatively cardboard like it's like. Listen, I love fiber. I'm always talking about how important fiber is. It's got like 48 grams of fiber per noodle or something insane that's all amazing I love that. I love that it has protein. What I don't love is the flavor that I get in my mouth after I have tasted it, because and also the texture, more the texture than anything. It's also vegan so I think.
Speaker 2:I think there's a vegan anyway yeah so I I saw you try I was like, oh, I'm gonna try that. I was like, oh, I'm going to try that. I was like, oh, I have the same reaction.
Speaker 4:Let me down immediately. Like the very first point, I was like no, I missed.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, you can tell it's mostly fiber.
Speaker 4:Why is it like that? Like why is most protein alternatives so bad?
Speaker 2:I think there's just this ratio right where you want to add fiber to it as well. But fiber we take the fiber out of foods to make things taste good, and that's where those like what are? The feel good system, you know, like. So they're like the whole like MLM, like pyramid scheme shit, where they basically sell you fiber packets for way more than sixty nine dollars. Let me tell you that that's expensive as fuck, but they, their whole thing is like they've been taking fiber out of the food to make us sick. So we're putting fiber back in our packets and it's, yeah, exactly, it's guar gum. It's guar gum and like xanthan gum and like locust bean gum and it's super cheap. But so, yeah, like. So fiber gets taken out to make things kind of taste, know. So now these protein companies are trying to add protein and fiber, and that is a tough line to walk.
Speaker 4:What's that regular, delicious cereal with protein as well? Why do we have to just leave the sugar, leave the fat, leave it the way it is?
Speaker 2:No, because sugar causes every cancer and it's poison. That's why this is the stuff I get tagged in um, but oh, we haven't tried the ghost stuff yet.
Speaker 2:That has some yeah yeah, so ghost is the best tasting of all of them that I've had so far. But the problem, listen, the problem is with all these protein ones, it's the texture it turns to wet it turns to to wet like sawdust, like in your mouth. Um, I tried three wishes recently, very three, three sadnesses, that's what it was it was just I again the flavor's not bad wishes it's so.
Speaker 2:The texture is so underwhelming. The only one that's like half decent is like Magic Spoon, and even then it's not good and it's $69 per box, so like I don't recommend it. It's so expensive. I mean no, it is like actually $70 per like four boxes or five boxes or something. It's so insane. It's the only one that's like half decent. Even then it's still not good. You're much better off getting a fucking decent cereal and just adding like protein powder or something to your milk, or use fucking Fairlife. Fairlife has the chocolate milks right?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't like them.
Speaker 2:You don't like the chocolate milk.
Speaker 4:I love Fairlife. I think that, yeah, everyone loves the chocolate milk. For me it's a little too thick.
Speaker 1:I like to get the regular.
Speaker 4:It has a weird thickness to it, to me.
Speaker 2:Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4:They teamed up with the Feel.
Speaker 2:Great system. They added all their gums, their locust bean gums and stuff.
Speaker 4:I just like to get the regular Fair Life milk, and then I just add hershey's chocolate and shake, shake, shake, the regular hershey's chocolate.
Speaker 2:Are you a zeros hershey's chocolate person? I have tried this here. It tastes like a chemical factory, whatever that is, it's really it's rough. They make a light hershey's cereal. That's like half the calories.
Speaker 1:That's not bad if you're looking, that's not bad.
Speaker 2:You need some sugar when you start getting like zero calorie territory, you start getting more into the gym bros that are just like I don't care about flavor macros, you know that sort of shit which is fine, but for the discerning people with taste buds I'd recommend so yeah, like but yeah, just add a regular fair life or whatever to your milk and like, okay, okay, there, high protein cereal, boom, that's right. Oh, I added some berries.
Speaker 3:There's some fiber instead of like all this other protein cereal that's like expensive and like sawdusty Not a fan. I just had the magic spoon yesterday and I actually only poured like a third of a cup in the bowl because I knew I wasn't probably going to like it. But I did finish the third cup because I knew I wasn't probably going to like it, but I did finish the third cup. I didn't throw it away and I usually go protein things, so I agree, magic spoons.
Speaker 1:I like your cereals, in moderation, I like it.
Speaker 3:I just know myself, Honestly for most protein things. I didn't throw it away is a good benchmark, because that's what I did to Three Wishes I just threw it away.
Speaker 2:So if you haven't tossed it, chucked it in the bin. I feel like that. You know that's pretty good for a protein thing okay what are some other like protein things you, you, you two like will sign off on? Do you have anything that you're like? Okay, that one's actually not bad, besides fair life, obviously and what are your promo codes for those and?
Speaker 4:what I like, quest chips a lot I will eat a stack of Quest chips.
Speaker 2:Those are good. Okay, best flavor, best flavor. What's your favorite flavor?
Speaker 3:Chili, lime. There it is.
Speaker 2:Chili lime is good. I like loaded taco. I'm a loaded taco fan.
Speaker 4:Okay, okay, okay, that one. She told me it wasn't good, so I didn't try it.
Speaker 2:Do you like loaded taco, loaded taco and the sweet and spicy whatever that one is. That's like the you know the Purple Ritos.
Speaker 4:You know Purple Ritos, right, Purple Doritos. Yeah, that's my jam.
Speaker 2:Purple Ritos are really good and Quest version, the sweet spicy. Whatever is the Quest protein version of the Purple Ritos and it's pretty good. I would recommend that.
Speaker 4:Their Cheez-It crackers are good, I have had their Cheez-It crackers.
Speaker 2:Those are actually not bad.
Speaker 4:They're munchy, but they're good.
Speaker 3:The texture is not too bad. They almost got it like a Cheez-It.
Speaker 2:There's only so much you can do. I go into a protein thing. I've had these legendary pastries and stuff like that. I'm like it gets by, but it's, it's. No, I'm not going to be telling people like you got to go out and get this, like it's fine yeah, we have the gorilla, who I'm with.
Speaker 4:We have our new protein bar, but it might as well be a candy bar with protein in it.
Speaker 2:So it's delicious, but the macros are not for you that's why it's good, yeah, we were talking about this last week with former fat guy fitness Like the you. Sometimes you just have to accept, you just have to say, okay, I just want like a candy bar. Maybe I'll get a little bit of protein in it and just like go for flavor.
Speaker 3:That's what I do. I just eat the protein and then I have the candy bar, like a real candy bar.
Speaker 2:Exactly, and that's totally fine. That's, I mean, that's the balance you gotta find. I'm 100 with you. Yeah, um, but okay, and then, yeah, david, I know you I've seen from a lot of, from your videos, that like I get tagged and stuff like it's more like, uh, the supplement stuff I get tagged a lot of the supplement stuff you know, like that, I feel like that's the stuff that kind of, like you know, gets a wider audience because everyone's looking for an easy way to improve their health as opposed to actually doing anything significant.
Speaker 2:so what would would you say? Like you know, I kind of want to get into like what would you say is worth the money? Let me put it that way. Let me put it that way, how?
Speaker 4:the things that can replace food interchangeably. So the only things that are really going to be worth any amount of money, especially if you're on a budget, is protein powder that might as well be a dehydrated chicken breast, you know. Of course it's made from milk and all that jazz do you consider even a supplement?
Speaker 2:I feel like calling protein powder a supplement is kind of odd to me, am I? Am I crazy here because it's?
Speaker 4:not. Well, it's if we're. If we're going to look at the word supplement to replace instead of then yeah, I guess it fits perfectly. But a lot of people hear the word supplement and they think of it as everybody's in white coats in the lab mixing chemicals things are exploding yeah, so some dehydrated milk isn't really something I'm concerned about I mean, according to eddie abu, that's exactly what protein palates are.
Speaker 1:Oh gosh.
Speaker 4:He's got some, so that one is dehydrated milk essentially Awesome. I think that's fantastic. I dehydrate beef it's beef jerky Same thing Super cool.
Speaker 2:I've seen people do that. I've seen people do that.
Speaker 4:Besides that like creatine, so creatine is something we use for real.
Speaker 4:But you know if you're eating a lot of fish and a lot of beef, you're going to get creatine in there, but you're probably not going to get the amalgam, or if you're trying. But it is an argument for why I think it is useful, because, again, it's just replacing something that your body uses like all the time. Right. And then the other one, if we're going to talk about blood flow um, would be citrulline and the reason I say was nice to say citrulline.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we talked about that recently on the podcast. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 4:Absolutely Right? I think actually. No, just talking about it. So with citrulline it's hard to get through natural sources. You can get it through watermelon, but you'd be eating pounds and pounds and pounds of watermelon every day where you can put it Shake, shake, shake.
Speaker 2:Every time I bring up watermelon and like, like I did, like a watermelon. Like what would happen to your body if you eat watermelon every day For some reason? Why do those videos always blow up on like social media, Like if you did this every day, this is what happened to your body? And it's always like millions. It doesn't matter. That's not the point of this podcast. The point is, whenever I do, one of those people are like I would shit my brains out if I eat that much watermelon. Does that do that to people? I've never eaten a bunch of watermelon and then just shit my brains out.
Speaker 3:It's probably the fiber Most people don't get.
Speaker 2:Enough fiber Is it just the fiber.
Speaker 3:If you eat a whole watermelon, then you're going to get way more fiber than you're used to.
Speaker 2:Is that all it is? It's just the fiber.
Speaker 3:Probably.
Speaker 4:Most people they're about their habits, not suffering I. Most people their bathroom habits are not good.
Speaker 1:I mean I completely agree, because it's always like, whenever I bring up anything, say beans, anything I bring up with fiber, people are like it would destroy me.
Speaker 3:I'm like that's not a good sign, Like I feel like.
Speaker 2:Like yes, I could say OK, this greens powder is going to save you, and here's my promo code, but instead I would just recommend, you know, upping your fiber like a little bit every day. Like if watermelon has you on the toilet for hours. I really feel like you should look into that a little bit more. If you remember nothing else from this podcast, that's what I'd like you to remember.
Speaker 4:What is going on? Yeah, so that's the thing I like you to remember is what is going on. Yeah, so that's the other thing I'll probably say is easy, I can roll that and maybe like vitamin D and magnesium I see you talk about magnesium before so like you give me a little, like you know, top down on, like the magnesium thing that I remember.
Speaker 2:I've seen some videos from you doing that.
Speaker 4:Well, just a quick answer. It just seems that most gym rats are deficient in those two. Most like most like 99% of the guys who show me their blood work are deficient in magnesium. So I don't know what it has to do with it, and it seems to be that way in the general public as it is magnesium. But I guess training makes it a bit worse, or maybe just the people. Here's my theory.
Speaker 2:Gym rat, so maybe just the people who here's my theory, jim rat. So you got the people that are working out right. It's more of like a chicken, broccoli and rice kind of kind of group I feel like, and you're just not getting like the foods that have the magnesium and and you know a lot of the guys are like that yeah, so with our diets, or with my diets rather, um, if we're just going to speak generally, I like to represent kind of everything.
Speaker 4:So let's say we're going to have five meals a day. I like for one of them to be like eggs, I like for one of them to be fish, one of them for the beef ones to be chicken, and then we look at the different sources. I like pork, but the more diverse we can bring things in, even the sourcing is very important to me. Um, and I think that's the best way to go about things, is, if we're going to look at macros, okay, so we need 200 grams of protein. Well, how diverse can we make those sources? Okay, cool, let's go with that.
Speaker 2:And what I see a lot, especially in like the. You know, I mean really a lot of different communities, but especially like carnivore crowds and stuff like that. It's always like steak is the best.
Speaker 1:Like it's always like. Steak is the best, like it's.
Speaker 2:This is the best because it's the most nutrient rich, or whatever, and I'm like this kind of beef for breakfast, this kind of beef for lunch, this kind of yeah, and I'm just like I, that's fine.
Speaker 4:I like fiber, though, so I can't advocate anything that doesn't have fiber in it, first off, and then call me crazy. But like I do, I agree with the physicians that just tremendous amounts of cholesterol all the time, probably and we can have arguments all over because I know that they're out there but just generally speaking, grams and grams and grams and grams and grams of cholesterol all day, every day.
Speaker 2:And saturated fat, and saturated fat.
Speaker 4:These are two different things, right. Probably not the greatest for you consistently in the long run, when it's just so easy to have, like a chicken breast that's a bit leaner to have like a porch.
Speaker 1:It's pretty great because even paul saladino has now left the carnivore movement. I know he changed his name like that was great.
Speaker 2:He's like he was used to be carnivore md and he's like okay, I know, I wrote the book on be carnivore MD and he's like okay, I know I wrote the book on the carnivore diet, but apparently, it's not so good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he literally wrote a book on it Now. He's like nah nah, I didn't realize that that's crazy he changed it to Paul Saladino Now.
Speaker 2:now there's no more carnivore MD.
Speaker 4:Oh well, that's. I mean, that's some of the best ways to learn is to totally submerge yourself, and sometimes you got to lose yourself a little bit to see all the angles and all the corners, to realize.
Speaker 3:And tell everyone else to do it too. Well, that's the part.
Speaker 2:And then after that you realize how bad it is.
Speaker 4:I wish more of us could experiment and learn what our passion is and lock in on it before we express it so vividly to everybody else. Yeah, I've seen a lot of channels go through 19 love world life passions in the span of a couple of years.
Speaker 1:See how nicely he put that. I think he's part Canadian.
Speaker 3:Liam would have just been.
Speaker 2:Likeul can fuck himself or something oh, that's pretty much my, my, my gist or whatever. Uh well, he also is wearing a oh fuck a toque. I don't even remember the name. That was like 20 minutes ago I was gonna say hook for a second I was like who now that doesn't sound right.
Speaker 2:I don't even remember. But yeah, getting back to, I like what you said, though diverse, because we get caught up a lot in what are the best foods, the most nutrient-rich foods, this sort of stuff, and that's cool, it's all great. But making your diet diverse as possible not just for protein, everything we talk about vegetables, fruits, vegetables I get asked which is the best one. Like getting it from different places is the best thing you can do for yourself, honestly, right. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 4:no, I'm just gonna say, and if you're stuck up on macros and you're like, well, this one has 27 compared to that one has 26 serving, you know, at the end of the day, I mean really most of those macros, if we're counting macros, are going to have a tolerance of 5, 10, 15 gram wash anyway. So it really is irrelevant because you know, at the end of the day, so totally at the end of the day, if you have that source, over that source, it might have been a seven gram difference. But then we're going to talk about where did you cut? I know you're weighing everything, but there are just my new tiny things.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's just exhausting and it makes you it's fine, it's. You can have pork, you can have chicken, you can have steak and um, what was I gonna say?
Speaker 2:so yeah, just just trying to get in from the first place. If you want fiber, you can get like plant proteins, you can do like edamame, you can do all that sort of stuff like, just just don't stop worrying about it. And that's why people like eddie fucking drive me nuts because it's like eggs. Every day I'm like I got nothing against eggs. But when you're eating 20 of them in a bowl with just like whatever else mixed it, the food he I got to move on.
Speaker 1:I had to wake up and eat eggs every single day. I would just.
Speaker 2:I would hate my life.
Speaker 1:I would hate my life. I like my brains.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'm going to pass on that, but also David.
Speaker 4:Oh no, just one thing. But when we're talking about diversity, I'll even have different sources of protein at the same time. So that my texture and my mouth feel, I'll throw in three ounces of chicken, two ounces of beef. There's five, six ounces total.
Speaker 1:Different flavors are fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you don't have to eat the same food every day. God drives me nuts. But, david, I wanted to make sure before. Yeah, I want to make sure I get it, because otherwise I forget shit. And then later hours later, I'm like oh, I wanted to bring that up. I saw a recent video that you did because, uh, james was talking about it, which I really liked. You were like listen, I like I think you you correct me wrong, but you're just was kind of like I like being big. It's awesome, I love growing muscle, but also that doesn't make me like better than anyone else. Like I love that video.
Speaker 2:You could go over here talk about that for a second. It'd be awesome.
Speaker 4:Well, sure, so training is such a temporary thing, so we have fitness for life, of course, but bodybuilding and building muscles is kind of like a perfect storm of time finances, hormones, like everything has to be perfect, and then you twist your ankle, you fall down the stairs, you get sick, it's all gone, and then to just time. That's what I mean. You can't do it forever. No one is slamming basketballs at 60, like they were at 20, no matter what, it's just the way of life. So if you want to have big muscles and all that jazz, like it's like a t-shirt, you know, it's like when you go to the store and you're looking at red, yellow, purple, green, all right, well, cool.
Speaker 4:I'm looking at like, oh, big arms and a chest would be pretty cool to rock and roll for as long as maybe I can, and it's something that, like, as time goes on, like I can morph my exterior, but that's all it is is really just an exterior presentation of what I've been doing in a room somewhere, and the fact that I decided to do that means nothing and equates to nothing in the real world. When we're talking about like social parameters of like who's worth what and who can offer what to society? Like, yeah, like, if your hobby is working out, sure, I have a lot to offer because it's my hobby too, but you know it's. If you're into bowling, it's the same thing. Being a professional bowler is super awesome to other, yeah, yeah. So that's my thing with bodybuilding is guys get into and they get this egotistical Superman mentality when really they're in the most fragile state ever. Do you think?
Speaker 2:that's because the people who are more drawn to our bodybuilding already have that sort of mentality, or do you think it's the bodybuilding itself that causes that?
Speaker 4:Well, I wonder, because bodybuilding really seems to be split into two different types of people. It's the one who falls into it and it's the kids who were grown up and they had abs and they had little shoulder caps and they were in sports and they were well in sports and they just fell into bodybuilding because they had the genetic potential. And those guys seem to, more times than not, have a lot of worth attached to that visual, visual presentation and that visual themselves. And I don't know if that translates over to insecurity and they feel like they have to defend themselves or whatnot. I'm not sure, but you see, the mental aspect mostly come from those athlete types of guys who get into bodybuilding. Then you have the other side, where the guys are morbidly obese, or rather obese or picked on, and they get into shape normally by coming down in body fat, and those guys are the nicest dudes in the entire world and they're stable and rock solid.
Speaker 4:So I think that when guys get that attitude, I think it's insecurity, I think that's what it is. It's so much is built up on them, having pecs or abs since the beginning of their existence for the most part, that they almost feel like they're unidentifiable by anything else. So they try to put themselves in a different category. That will almost allow them to have more worth, because they deep down know there is no worth attached to it. But if they can somehow disassociate and put themselves over here and build that wall by saying, well, you're ugly and fat and I have abs, oh cool. Now you're in a room that I can't get into and for some reason that makes you worth something. Are you going to get presents that I don't get? I don't know what they think, but that's what I think. It's just some type of coping mechanism.
Speaker 2:Because, as an influencer, I feel like it's kind of already pushed on you that you have to be perfect, like that's just kind of it happens.
Speaker 2:That happens a lot and so, especially when you're like a, you're known for your physique, like, I feel like you kind of have to really double down on that, and that is why I make sure people understand my life is as much of a mess as possible Just set. We talk about setting the bar low on this podcast a lot. I do that as much as humanly possible, so people don't expect anything from me. How are you guys doing, by the way, pretty good Doing all right, but yeah, so I love that answer. I would also like to ask you to like, what sort of like? What goals do you guys have for, like, short term versus long term as far as, like you know, just exercise health in general, both of you. I'm just kind of curious, you guys, what do you? What are your overall goals as far as short term and long term?
Speaker 3:as far as fitness goes, I feel like for me it's just been like part of my life, it's just a lifestyle and it happened kind of by accident that I got like fit and it's just because of you just walked into a gym accidentally one day and you're like oh snap like I just I just live among this all the time and so it's just part of, like, my environment and and I've been with them for 17 and a half years, so it's just something that I've like personally just incorporated into my lifestyle.
Speaker 3:Um, and I, when I say by accident, I just mean like it was something I learned by almost osmosis, just from being around somebody who does it for a living.
Speaker 1:Imagine building muscle by osmosis.
Speaker 3:That'd be amazing now, we should sell that anyway, god well I've been active since I was a kid and I still am, and like, I do lots of like hobby sports, um, and that keeps me moving and that's a huge part of it for me. My goals are just to continue moving forever, so like and and to be capable. Uh, so my physique isn't the aesthetic of it Isn't really important to me so much as the function. I just want to be able to like, ride my horse and ride dirt bikes until I'm like way old, like if I could be. I just saw, I just saw this woman race her thoroughbred racehorse at a like benefit event for fun, who was 80 years old and her horse was 25. So they were, uh, they call it the century club and she like got an award because between her and her horse they were a years yeah, I love that I want to be her when I grow up.
Speaker 3:That's what I want to do.
Speaker 1:That's my goal long term you tell me, dave, asprey goals go up to 180. Still ride your horse at 180.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I want to look like I'm 80 when I'm 40. Anyway, good, that guy's a piece of work I I don't want to get it. I'm too happy to get into the weeds on that. Anyway, what about you, david? What are your goals?
Speaker 4:I want to turn pro in the IFBB. I've tried four times before, so this is when I finished that. This year I've gotten over it, but at the same time I'm not Because I don't have any worth attached to it other than the personal and the business side Like I just think it would be awesome.
Speaker 4:I've been competing for so long but I love the way I look all the time. So I challenge or I struggle all the time with what it takes to get there, because I'm like, well, you know, I don't you know, if I'm an extra 20 pounds it could hurt my health, I don't really care. But I need to look like that if I want to win this trophy. So I go back and forth with the struggle all the time because I'm really looking forward to kind of retiring from bodybuilding. I love fitness, I love working out, I love training. But the whole force feeding, the supplementation, that whole, that side of it. I'm kind of over that side of it.
Speaker 2:You know, force feeding, really like that's one of those things I always see, like comments, like I wish I could do that sort of stuff. I'm like it's not fun like just being stuffed and still like just having to get more calories in. Like, back me up here a little bit.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you puke it up. You know, sometimes you're sitting there like you'll finish your shake or whatever it is, or you're throwing your last few vitamins and you're sitting there and your stomach's like out to here and it just kind of hurts and like you lay on your side and then it's like, oh no, here it comes and you get up and you run to the sink and just throw it all up and you're like no, and then you're sitting there like all right, so I need to have a protein shake. I got through the career team back in there.
Speaker 2:I probably like I can see my vitamin, vitamin d, and my magnesium, so I gotta eat those again. Oh man, I'm tired, and why are you looking forward to retiring for bodybuilding?
Speaker 4:that's I love it.
Speaker 4:I love it so much. I love the hardcore training. I love to watch my body change and then I love the attention. It's so much fun to be like wrapped up in the middle of it all and to be like backstage or that expose and have the tanner on and all the pictures and the velgons. It's tremendous amounts of fun. But it's not healthy.
Speaker 4:And as I get older and older I have a career like my companies are doing well, my social media is doing well, my household name presence is growing and growing as a trainer and as a recognizable source. So I have less and less of not so much a priority but in my head. Before and it might have been true I really only had that one outlet to success to pay my bills, to be able to retire, and now it's not like that anymore. So it's still a tremendous, tremendous personal goal to me. I really want to have that ifbb pro title. But when we're talking in milligrams and stuff like that and then the doctor's saying this is totally acceptable and and then the guy behind the curtain- is like you should quadruple it I'm like well should I, should I because you probably also have long-term goals that might interfere with those short-term goals, if you really I do.
Speaker 4:We're doing a lot of stuff. We have some shows on the, so we're doing a lot on YouTube right now. But really I'm building a database and what my show is called is Guest Pass. I don't know if you've heard about the show at all, but Guest Pass is the show where I travel the country and I tour gems it. But guest pass is the show where I travel the country and I tour gyms. It is not an opinion, it is not a review.
Speaker 4:I literally show up at the gym as if you had a guest pass and I give you that magical tour, ride, carpet ride through the gym, travel channel style, beautiful one line explaining the things that are awesome, nothing negative, and I show you the facility and I only show facilities that are kind of have souls or life to them, not something.
Speaker 4:So when you go to Google and you type in gym, you find a bunch of planet fitness and life fitnesses and you find a bunch of studios and people's garages. But that city probably has six gyms that are family owned, single owned, artwork, beautiful, beautiful facility owned, single owned artwork, beautiful, beautiful facility. So I'm building this database and I'm trying to get every state and at least all the major cities. So when people are traveling or they're bored or they're curious, they can go to guest pass and have the database to search so they can say, okay, I'm going to go to Tennessee, click on Tennessee and there'll be five cities that I visited.
Speaker 4:I'm going to go to Nashville. There's Nashville. I'm going to click on Nashville. There's five gyms that they care about, that they want to see, and they can watch the 5, 10, 15-minute episode and totally absorb what that gym is, what they offer, how much it costs, what the hours are, and I try to explain the vibe and the feel and everything about it. And that's what I'm trying to put together and this is going to be like a three, four, five year project, I assume.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that. What do you? I'm kind of curious for both of you like what do you look for in a gym? You were kind of talking about how you like a gym that has soul and that sort of thing. But, like for both of you, what do you enjoy in a gym? Like you go into a gym, you see somebody like, yeah, this is the place.
Speaker 4:Equipment, for me that's number one. I have to be able to train the way I want to.
Speaker 3:I think it's the same for me. Yeah, it's got to have the right kind of equipment.
Speaker 2:Well then, you would hate to come here For a lot of reasons, not just the gym.
Speaker 4:But go ahead. We're coming to Japan at the end of this year. We filmed about 35, 40 gyms so far. We've been to Los Angeles, long Beach, st George, we've been to Salt Lake City, we've been to Nashville all over North Carolina, and we have a lot more lined up as it is, but then at the end of the year I'm going to be competing in Tokyo, so we're bringing the film crew to Tokyo and we're going to film episodes of guest pass out there as well, and hopefully I could have been a national guest pass, which I assume will mostly be just for entertainment because I won't have the thorough experience on.
Speaker 4:But the united states. That database, I think, is going to be a tremendous help for guys and it's something that we have needed and we have seen a need for over the years. We'll all come to columbus, ohio, to train well, not to train. We'll come for the arnold classic yeah, I have never been.
Speaker 2:I have lived here for years and I have yet to go but columbus ohio. That's where I live right now you'll have to go.
Speaker 4:You have a gym called the pro gym there. That is an old bank. Have you been?
Speaker 2:in it. Okay, it's an old bank. I've heard of that one.
Speaker 4:I haven't been locker room is the vaults and you walk through the door and you can see all the really interesting. It's cool and that's what I've been to those types of gyms because most of them are no offense to the gym owners.
Speaker 4:Most of them are bad at advertising, most of them might not have the biggest budgets, but those are the gems that we want to be there and when you online, sometimes you find their Instagram and you get a picture of a closeup of somebody doing an incline bench and you're like, well, that doesn't help me at all. Like yeah exactly yeah. And they're like oh, the dumbbells are pretty good. And you're like pretty good goes a lot of different directions depending on who's saying it. So this show guess fast is like we're getting such good feedback on it, and the way you're able to just absorb the gym in that five, ten minutes. It's a lot of fun too. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I mean, yeah, so just like just equipment, variety in, like the equipment or just like specific things you're looking for.
Speaker 4:No, we try to show every single thing that the gym has to offer.
Speaker 3:He's asking like what for gym rounds?
Speaker 4:Yeah, for your leg preferences.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I'm just so excited about this, joe, I'm very proud.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah absolutely, by all means.
Speaker 3:For me, it's the leg equipment, because it's always lacking. It seems like that's the one thing that gyms don't have a wide variety of, and I like to have variety for leg day.
Speaker 1:Okay, so variety for leg day, so okay so just like it's a squat and you're like yeah, don't like leg day 100.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I can do. I can do a lot of upper body with dumbbells and barbells with legs.
Speaker 1:I need certain sleds and certain act squats and pendulum squats I love that stuff oh it's kind of nice in terms of leg day to have a lot of variety, because you know, just doing squats over and over again kind of gets it's boring.
Speaker 2:I love fucking hack squats. If you don't know what a hack squat is, look it up. It's awesome and I love it, but like no, it seems so few gyms have one. Why is that? Am I crazy? What the? You've been to a lot of gyms. What's going on?
Speaker 4:no, you're right, leg equipment is not a priority when we've been traveling all over the country checking out these gems and salt lake city is one of the best locations I've seen for gym equipment ever so- I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2:So the mormons are getting jacked over there, or what's going on with that jack jack?
Speaker 4:is that part of the religion I don't understand? Ironically, that part of the religion I don't understand why, Ironically, one of the best places we visited was a place called Hell's Gate.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that was a good one.
Speaker 2:In Salt Lake City. In Salt Lake City, Hell's Gate. I love that so much. That's amazing.
Speaker 4:All over the wall. It was like angels and demons battling and it was really cool. But they had two buildings, Two whole buildings. Yeah, separate from each other, but within walking distance, about 100 yards apart, in this industrial complex.
Speaker 3:One was just leg day.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:One whole, building the whole building.
Speaker 4:Over 200 pieces. When we talk about hack squats, they had a dozen of them, different manufacturers One from Better Bodies, one from Body Masters, one from better bodies or, yeah, one for body masters, one from hammer strength, you know so amazing side bags. It was really great. Who knew?
Speaker 2:yeah salt lake would have been low down on my list too.
Speaker 4:and then, once I started, I thought that vegas was going to have the best gym, some of the best gyms. That's where I'm local to for the most part. So we did Vegas first, because we could drive around and test how we were going to film everything, how he wanted to edit it, like we just did all that, and then we went to the first city to test how that would go. And then, once we got the rhythm down, now we have like 35, 40 gyms.
Speaker 2:What's the worst city you've been to? What city can you shit on and?
Speaker 3:just say that this is where I would never go.
Speaker 2:Anyone who lives there should move.
Speaker 4:St George, Utah, is very I don't know the word pretentious to me. Oh good, they didn't like us.
Speaker 4:They did not like us, they did not I don't want to be on camera, I better not be in your shot. And we were like we don't want you in the shot, we don't want you on camera, like we wish the gym was empty. We're in here, we have permission from everybody, like don't get us wrong, but like they would go out of their way. So like my guy would be like filming a piece of equipment all close up and they would come up behind him and tap him on the shoulder and be like I don't want to be in your movie. And he's like I didn't know the auditions were happening.
Speaker 2:That's interesting. Okay, same thing, george, but the gyms were great Gyms were good.
Speaker 3:It was just the people were a little crazy Locals were moody yeah At least the ones that we ran into.
Speaker 4:Los Angeles was beautiful, great places. Totally Accepting North Carolina, very, very accepting beautiful, I would say, vegas, vegas is the worst city for the gems as far as like diversity of good equipment.
Speaker 1:I mean, who's going to Vegas to work out, pull a slot machine? In order to pick your dumbbell. What's that? Pull a slot machine lever to pick your dumbbell.
Speaker 4:Oh well, vegas is the bodybuilding capital of the country, so you would assume that they would have some of the best gyms in the country, and they used to have really good ones and they have decent ones. But now that I've been doing this show, I'm just, I'm just surprised that, like you know, so many hidden gems yeah, marty McFly, in the middle of nowhere, has a beautiful facility that took him 15 years to build and it's the best thing I've ever seen in my life, and he has 300 members and I'm just like, wow, I love it, that's awesome.
Speaker 4:Yeah, we went to one 45 minutes south of Nashville called the Mecca of the South Self-proclaimed, I assume, but he wrote it on the walls and everything and people have caught on. But it totally worth the title Absolutely. When you go into that gym it is gorgeous, it is huge, it has a vibe, a feel, it's a soul to it. And then you go in the back and it used to be an old ice skating rink. The entire thing. It's over 50,000 square feet, so you have to work out on ice. That sounds really difficult.
Speaker 2:It's over 50,000 square feet, so you have to work out on ice. That sounds really difficult. It's still ice, I'm assuming it's not that hard.
Speaker 3:I'm assuming it's not that hard. I'm assuming it's not that hard. I'm assuming it's not that hard, I'm assuming it's not that hard.
Speaker 4:I'm assuming it's not that hard. I'm assuming it's not that hard. I'm assuming it's not that hard. I'm assuming everywhere there's hand-picked equipment. Just the craziest thing.
Speaker 2:I've seen a lovely episode it sounds like you got to different countries as well. You said so you're going to like japan soon, or you did we will.
Speaker 4:Okay, we're gonna start at the end of this year. We'll be in japan for 16 days. We'll have two full weeks of shooting and hanging out. I'm going to be competing, trying to turn pro for the fifth time.
Speaker 1:See how it goes all right, I've got good news for you.
Speaker 2:You have goals.
Speaker 1:Because now that you've been on in moderation, you are definitely going to get it.
Speaker 2:That was the ticket all along.
Speaker 1:All you needed to do was come on here.
Speaker 2:Have you worked out in gyms in other countries? Because what I'm kind of curious is so you have, I'm kind of curious what gyms in other countries are like. Is like different than here. Like I, I'm very cute.
Speaker 4:You'll have to fight, you'll have to tell me I'm gonna ask you after you go there, like in japan, explaining it I want this.
Speaker 2:I will watch this. I want to know is japan working out like in a different way, like what is the difference? I want to know.
Speaker 4:So I don't know if this is true or not, but hide yamagishi um japanese, first japanese american. Well, he's full-blown japanese but first japanese dude to come over here and win the olympia. He won the masters olympia last year. Dude is awesome, so he has a gym here in vegas called iris kyle's and hide yamagishi's powerhouse. But he also has a powerhouse gym in japan, in toky Tokyo, and he was telling me. He was like my gym is totally cool, you can do whatever you want. But he was like you'll have to wear long sleeves If you go into anyone else's gym and the owner doesn't give you permission to have the tattoos.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and I thought that was rather interesting and cool and that'd be a good episode Cause we've heard this about the tattoos.
Speaker 1:I've heard this about tattoos Like I.
Speaker 2:I've got like a shoulder one. But like I, I've heard that like it's still kind of like the tattoos over there are kind of like more how we saw tattoos and like I don't know the forties or some shit, I don't know it's like kind of like you know you're, you're, you're an air duel, you're a no-gooder, no-good-doer.
Speaker 4:I'm hoping that, being like 250 and American, I'll just get away with the movie star pass and they'll just be like you're supposed to look like that. You're not a.
Speaker 2:Oh, the rock, the rock.
Speaker 4:I'm clearly a tourist. Would you like a picture? Oh, that's great. I've heard that the culture is dramatically different, especially for moving there. People have been telling me that if I was going to live there full time I might have a very hard transition. But apparently just traveling as tourists on my forehead I'm supposed to, they said I should get along just fine.
Speaker 2:Give us a little grace. They expect you to kind of fuck up.
Speaker 4:Like it's all word of mouth. I have no idea. I'm very excited to go, as you can tell, and I'm very excited to film everything for episodes of the road, which is my blog, on YouTube and then guest pass as well, and to celebrate the culture. But that's what I've been told is. People say you're going to have a great time visiting. But if you move there, they won't like you as much and I'm like interesting good to know I will only visit.
Speaker 2:I like it well. I'm looking forward to that. I'll definitely watch that because I am curious good episodes. What else you got, rob? Oh, I did want to ask because, like, do you so, david, I know you kind of like work with people, right, Like you kind of train them and stuff like that. I don't, amanda, do you do that sort of stuff as well, or do you just? Work on your own and doing your own thing is research.
Speaker 3:So since I just have a full-time job teaching students and doing research, I don't have time to also coach people, but I do sometimes help out a little bit if I have some scientific information that I can impart to help with anything especially when different things hit the scene, different fads or ideas, amanda will absorb.
Speaker 4:Type knows, dang near. Call the dude who did the study and ask some questions.
Speaker 2:Well then, before we move on to that, what's your favorite like field of research, what's your favorite part about it? Like I mean, what do you, what do you enjoy, what gets you excited?
Speaker 3:I'm uh, so my research. I have my own like lab and I have students that and staff that run my lab and do research. My specialty is using um, like using animal disease as a model for human disease, because I'm a veterinarian. I'm a trim like a translational and comparative gastroenterologist for research, not like a clinical gastroenterologist, um. So I studied gi, function, injury and repair. You like looking at animals as a model for humans, and so I work with a lot of MDs, physicians to help them with their research questions, and humans as well. Um, we're located next to two really major uh medical schools, so I have a lot of collaborators at those schools and my like.
Speaker 3:What gets me excited, I guess, is um my own research which is funded by the um, the NIH or federal government to do injury and repair in the intestine after ischemic injury, which is loss of blood flow, and specifically in younger patients, across all species, animals and humans. If you're younger, you have much worse ability to recover from ischemic injury or loss of blood flow in your gut.
Speaker 2:Really Wait, say that again. If you're younger, you have worse.
Speaker 3:It's worse outcomes. So like, if you're a little tiny baby, then you have a really hard time recovering from ischemic injury, which is loss of blood flow, um. But if you get a little bit older just a little bit older, not a lot at all, like just weaned age then you can and you're very proficient at preparing and surviving. So I'm studying the difference between those two age groups and trying to understand what's changing and in order to try to help those younger patients recover better. That's what gets me excited.
Speaker 1:That's cool, that's very interesting. Do you know, dr Tommy Martin?
Speaker 3:I don't think so. Can you give me more context?
Speaker 1:He posts a lot about his kid Oliver.
Speaker 2:Oliver, he does post a lot, yeah.
Speaker 1:He does post a lot about Oliver, but he also posts about how doing marathons can cause you to poop your pants. Rob only wants to talk about pooping pants.
Speaker 2:I mean it's become, not in moderation, it's become how can we not poop our pants, or how? Can we poop our pants?
Speaker 3:That's pretty much. I talk about 69ing a lot and he talks about pooping your pants. Go ahead. I don't know what you're going to ask me, but I can explain why that happens. That has a lot to do with my research.
Speaker 1:Well, that's what I was about to get into. Is he went into how that can actually lead to ischemia, right, and so he would be the perfect subject for you to research on, because he goes out and does these marathons Gross.
Speaker 3:The pants shitting is because of ischemia? Actually so, and because you're an adult, you can recover from that, no problem, but it's. What happens is when you're running you're that some physiologists like that's my number one most exciting trait is that, like your physiology is what I'm like really good at. So when you're running, all of the blood flow is being redirected to your muscles mostly and your lungs, so that you can breathe and get oxygen to your muscles, and so that's the priority. And if you keep running to the point where it's like basically pathologic, meaning it's causing disease at this point, because people really aren't designed to be running for 26 miles so you get to that point and you push yourself past that point, you're actually going to divert so much blood flow away from your organs, including your gut, that you're going to start creating loss of blood flow in parts of your gut. And when you injure, when you take up blood flow away from your gut, what happens is the epithelial cells, which are like skin cells.
Speaker 3:That line the side of your intestine are very vulnerable to injury from that because they need a lot of oxygen, and so once they get injured, the barrier that they form gets looser and you get leaky gut, like lots of people like to say that it's, oh god, the leaky gut people oversimplify it, but I'm just that's, we're not gonna do it.
Speaker 3:Um, but you get leaky gut from the loss of blood supply in a very like short period of time Like it can happen very quickly and then you're basically going to leak fluid and draw fluid into your gut and that makes everything very soupy and then you can't hold it and then you poop your pants soupy and then you can't hold it and then you poop your pants so is it best just to like eat a bunch of soup beforehand because it's already kind of soupy, and like, what are the best things to poop out when you have these these bouts of uncontrolled diarrhea while running, because it all sounds amazing?
Speaker 3:I don't think there's much you can do like nutrition to prevent this, like it's really just like don't push your body at that point, if you can help it.
Speaker 2:And this goes to show you that too much of anything is bad. Too many eggs too much, running too much of anything is a problem.
Speaker 3:So you're right, rob, it's because of ischemia that you poop your pants.
Speaker 1:In that case, I'm glad we clarified that.
Speaker 2:I'm very. Do other animals? Could they get this? Like what eventually would a deer shit itself if it just kept running, like what's going on? Like oh yeah, I hate all of this.
Speaker 3:And actually, like I use, I study pigs a lot and so I know a lot about pigs because they're a great model for humans.
Speaker 2:And I've heard this before, and so I know a lot about pigs because they're a great model for humans. I've heard this before. Why is this? What's going on with the pigs?
Speaker 3:As far as the GI tract pigs are like really similar to us diet wise Like they can eat all the same stuff we do.
Speaker 2:They're omnivores, right, right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's the main reason because their GI tract is super similar to our GI tract, so it's a really great model. They're also very similar in size, so it's easier for us to like model things with, you know, studying pigs, because it's comparable from like a pig size to a human size versus like right?
Speaker 2:yeah, I've heard that like protein digestibility scores are based off of like pig study. Like they used pig intestines, yeah, instead of humans to test this. That is that true, do?
Speaker 3:you know they do that. Agree, like there's ways to do it in people too, but it's made, it's. Yeah, a lot of animal models are used, yep interesting yeah, but I'm gonna say that, um, I was gonna say the pigs. Why are pigs we got? We got the.
Speaker 2:I got derailed because I got excited you're saying like you do, you study a lot of pigs. I remember you just saying like Maybe heat stress.
Speaker 3:So basically pigs are really susceptible to heat stress, so they tend to get hot easily. Environment is hot and they divert blood flow to their skin to get heat out of their body. Like it dissipate, and if it goes on long enough, they can have the same thing as the marathon runners, and so it's, but we just kind of expect pigs to just shit everywhere anyway.
Speaker 1:So it's just like you know.
Speaker 2:I'm assuming that's why they do all those mud baths and stuff and you just see him roll around trying to cool off.
Speaker 3:I don't know if that helps. You're right. Yeah, that's why they do that. It helps them cool off.
Speaker 1:Yeah see up here in canada. I can't understand the concept of getting so hot that you shit yourself.
Speaker 2:Oh gosh I'll pretty much do anything if I get hot like I fucking. I listen, I prefer the cold. I'm from like. I'm originally from albany, new york. I moved to columb, to Columbus and I prefer the cold. There's a reason 911 calls go up during the summer. We get hot, we get pissed off, we do shit. I think that's the trend.
Speaker 1:Up here we're just happy we stopped building igloos every time we go to the bathroom.
Speaker 2:What Exactly Right, igloos, um, anyway, but yeah, I wanted to get back because, david, I was going to ask you originally like, because, since you train people a lot and this is something I like to ask people who like train others that come on the podcast, because they always have, I feel like, pretty good answers to this is um, what do you see that's kind of like common among the people that are successful that you like train? Like, what are some common things that they all do that you're like, wow, everyone who is successful in what they want, they all kind of do this, or these are some things that are you know.
Speaker 4:They push back very little. I will give people programs sometimes and I will not even hear from them, as if they got it, I won't. And then they show up four months later and they're down 48 pounds. They're like great plan, and I'm like I would have changed stuff, I would have gone. So it's the people who are always coming back and they're like what about this, what about this? This is I don't like, I couldn't, I can't.
Speaker 2:Is that because they're getting old? Is that because you think they're getting a little too much into the weeds, getting too nitpicky about things and like worried about stuff, or what do you think?
Speaker 4:I think it's a combination of that, like, so we can say, yes, we can justify and say that they're trying to be nitpicky about the details and get everything right or they're trying to have those, but really I think it just kind of reverts back to they're looking for ways that they can prolong and slow things down and have reasons why. Looking for ways that they can prolong and slow things down and have reasons why. Where, when I give some people, I give them the reins, and they're just like okay, all right, well, yeah, and well, you know what? I didn't ran out of chicken, so I use Turkey. I thought that'd be okay, cause on the back, I'm like it was perfect. I love that. I'm sorry. I was like yeah, I followed you at midnight, you are awake, I think. So I'm sorry. I was like yeah, I followed you at midnight, you are awake, I think.
Speaker 4:So there just is a divide. Yeah, some some people, I can give them instruction, I can tell them what's up, and it's not just that they're go-getters and all that stuff. I guess they just they just really want it and it's a walk in a certain direction. So, no matter what, they just keep trudging in that direction, where the other people, no matter what, there's a stick or a rock in the way and they stop and they turn around and they raise their hand and they're like what was the stick? And I'm like, well, you need to step over. And then they step over and then they keep going and then I come back the next day and they only went like three more feet and I'm like where, whoa, whoa, why didn't you go further? I saw a rock. I wanted to ask you about it. I'm like that's, that's fine, I'll answer the part about the room. I'll help you. I mean, I'll hold your hand is about probably feeling like six hours a day, though, because I got some other stuff I gotta do, so I do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I do see that where it seems that the more successful people, almost in anything, as long as they have a blueprint to follow, they'll stumble back and forth and knock off of stuff but they just keep going in one direction, kind of just go with the flow a little bit, just like you just gotta kind of just go for it, like it's all fine, realize, like you don't have to get caught up in stuff. I, I like that a lot and like just conducive to receiving advice, because I think a lot of people just need like uh, you guys know jeff nippard, have you seen like jeff nippard? Yeah, so you, probably, he's one of like on youtube. You know fitness guys. I liked him from what I've seen, jeff nippard, but I liked he did a video recently where he went around the gym to like ifbb pros, like big dudes, and he was like, hey, I'm asking um, ifbb or whatever, if they're willing to listen to advice from me who's smaller than you, and that's.
Speaker 2:It was basically the whole premise of his video. And a lot of them were just like yeah, absolutely Like, what do you got for me? Like I'll listen to it and I feel like that's just again like this, you know you're just willing to accept advice and just roll with it instead of like again pushing back and be like what about this and this, and that you know. So I, I like that a lot yeah.
Speaker 3:So same for my students. Same kind of thing, just if they trust the process, don't don't push back, don't stop when they see a stick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, no matter what it is, if you're working out, if you're in school, whatever it is, just kind of go with, like you know, just work with it.
Speaker 1:You don't need to worry about every little thing. I like that a lot. That's good. Yeah, I'm expecting you guys to come up with. Don't stop when you see a stick merch don't stop when you see a stick.
Speaker 4:It's a good one and those people they come back. You know like they'll come in on sunday and check in and they'll have their notes. I'm like, so how did everything go? And they're like, oh, I saw a stick, so I went around it to the left. I hope that was okay.
Speaker 2:Should I have gone to the right? I could have gone over it. Should I have dug beneath it For next time?
Speaker 4:and that's what it will be. It'll be like well, for next time, how was I supposed? And I'm like oh, you did a fantastic job. Yeah, you could have done this. You know, you could even move it out of the way for the guy behind you. But you don't have to be crazy. You're on the level. Go over the bar.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's fine too.
Speaker 4:I don't mind holding a client's hand either, like I don't think that's a negative thing. I love teaching, but when we're just going to talk about black and white and speed of progress, yeah, those who are going, no matter what. They'll sort out the details, sometimes later.
Speaker 2:Figure it out. Yeah, Just fucking be like Nike or whatever.
Speaker 1:Just do it and like.
Speaker 2:Just do it. Oh, you had to do something slightly different.
Speaker 4:Whatever, it's fine and to be honest, fitness isn't exactly like okay. Okay we got when we're training intensity, when we're eating no sour pouch kids.
Speaker 2:You know we're doing cardio, just try to do it just try to oh I the amount of questions I get of, just like, oh, should I be weighing my food cooked or uncooked? And I'm just like, is that really like what's gonna be the huge difference between you know the goals you want to achieve? Like I don't know. It just seems like worry about such little things.
Speaker 4:Or just pick, and if you don't have answers, if you don't have access to the answers, just pick one.
Speaker 2:That's you going around the stick Picking one? Is you going around the stick? You just pick the direction. You just went away.
Speaker 4:And then, when you have the opportunity and you have the source in front of you that you trust, and if they change it, you say, well, that's fine. But the thing is, this entire time you've been portioning out your food, you've been protein conscious Win, win, win, win, win, win.
Speaker 2:So now you're going to go from eight ounces of wet to seven hours six ounces of dry.
Speaker 4:It doesn't matter Like you've been winning already.
Speaker 2:You're already there. Yeah, you're already doing the thing.
Speaker 4:You're doing the thing, man.
Speaker 3:You're doing the thing this was really just like super ubiquitous advice, though, cause I'm sitting here thinking drawing parallels to my own like career in science, which was like when I was in my PhD program. I was doing this like overthinking thing that we're talking about, like where we're like like I don't know all the information, I can't make the next decision without all the information. I get paralyzed by this like like I don't I have to make a decision, but I don't know should I do this, that? And the moment my advisor just kind of I remember it, he was just like kind of did the Nike thing and he was like you just have to do it just fuck up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yes, turning point for me in my research career and so like at that moment, from then on I would just do it and just kind of like fumble my way through and figure it out, and that's like how you do science actually.
Speaker 2:So it's very fun like jake the dog said, sucking at something is the first step at being kind of good at something so you kind of just have, like when I started social media. I well, when I started I still don't know what the fuck I'm doing, but I still just throw shit out there and like, oh it works, hey, awesome. Oh it didn't. Whatever, doesn't matter. Like you, just keep going like ah, sometimes I think people just need to hear that hundreds of ways.
Speaker 3:Einstein learned hundreds of ways how not to make a light bulb.
Speaker 2:Also Einstein was like a terrible, not Einstein Edison the other sciencey guy yeah, oh shit, they're all, it's all the same, whatever. Anyway, anything else you want to talk about, rob? What do you got? What are you sitting over?
Speaker 1:there what I got? Uh, well, you know what I've got. The single most important question of this entire interview oh god, what is the best?
Speaker 2:fucking doritos flavor or some shit over here, I guess, what do you got? Did I nail it? Was it Doritos flavor? It was not, it was Oreo flavor, sorry, oh okay, those are your questions.
Speaker 1:You're the one that asks about the Oreos.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:But all us cool people, we grew up with Lego, so which one of you is the master builder?
Speaker 4:Legos.
Speaker 3:I literally have not played with Legos like that, so it wouldn't be me. I would just build the sets like. I'm way too. I guess because the scientists in me since a young age I needed to like build the thing that was designed like. I've always just built. The set says like from the book. I've never free build legos that I can remember.
Speaker 4:I would make my mom buy me $30 sets so I could have one piece, because I needed it for my build well, that's how they get you. Lego smart. I'm like I need that pulley sister, I don't need that yellow guy.
Speaker 2:I need this yellow guy.
Speaker 4:That's the only one that's going to fit in with this. My mom would figure me out. We'd be on the way home and I'd be like, yes, now I have this pulley. She'd be like did I buy that whole thing for that pulley?
Speaker 2:No, I was more of a Lincoln Logs person, to be fair. That's just because of what I had. We didn't have much money we found, but that's just because what I had we didn't have much money. That's it was. We found that at like the thrift store oh it was connects, connects or what we got, connects.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't even know that. Oh.
Speaker 4:I love the Lego. We couldn't afford anything big. Most of them we got at yard sales which was loose brick.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I think that's why.
Speaker 4:I would build. I would build worlds. I, I would build worlds. I was little. I don't know if you guys can relate my imagination was so freaking strong. I could just sit on the floor and, literally like my Lego people were me. I was in that world. I love it. Yeah, I could imagine. It was like a daydream in the most literal sense, and I wish I could still play like that, because now I sit in my room and I'm like oh man, I can just remember like being able to be in it oh man all right.
Speaker 1:Well, if you two ever do just a random build, just mix up your pieces, put them together however you want, I won't is like, oh, I hate this, I hate this.
Speaker 2:It has to be like what it is on the box. No, there's a design, for a reason.
Speaker 4:I'm incredibly impressed with the building techniques today in the instructions compared to when we were young. When we were young they were just like look, you can make a ship. Now there's like rods and pins intertwined and they have brakes to stop them from sliding the legal techniques. They're in the instructions. The rod is in. It's amazing, though, really, when you buy the Technicars, the 1.8 scale collection, the pistons move up and down, the gears work, you can shift, and it changes direction. It's just crazy compared to when we were kids.
Speaker 3:I love that stuff. It's nuts. Technics are great.
Speaker 2:When you come to Columbus Ohio, there's a whole Lego store, like two Lego big stores, everything Lego. And they have like giant, like giraffes made out of Legos and everything like that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, let's do it Because I'm going to come up there Absolutely For guest fast. We're pretty booked for 2024. Um, july is like kind of halfway. We're waiting on confirmation for July, but but I'll come. I'm absolutely going to come to Ohio very soon because of the Arnold classic. Well, that and I need the gyms because it's such a destination point for fitness people. I really want them to have access to Columbus, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, you have to come work out with me. I worked six, one, four barbell. That's what I work out. That's, you know, our area code, basically so we'll come up, I'll bring the video guy.
Speaker 4:You can be in my vlog the road. Yeah, Work out together.
Speaker 1:It'd be tons of fun I in episode three Love it.
Speaker 4:We've had Kwan Tommy Ashman, we've had Harrison Burns, we've had, oh, just a bunch of them. I can't even remember them all right now, but it's a good show.
Speaker 2:I'm looking forward to that. Japan one I want to see that, but anyway where can people find all this stuff?
Speaker 3:Where can?
Speaker 2:people find all these things, all your outlets and everything. Give us those things where we can find all of your stuff.
Speaker 4:Oh, Ziggler Monster is my handle for absolutely everything from ZigglerMonstercom to Ziggler Monster on Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat, TikTok.
Speaker 2:Spell it out.
Speaker 4:Spell it out too, it's always I before E especially after the Z After.
Speaker 1:Z Z-I-G-G-L-E-R Monster.
Speaker 4:Ziggler Monster YouTube channel. Everything is my handle on that one. I've had it since 2004,. I think.
Speaker 3:And mine's just Doctor. It was like the monster on Instagram and TikTok. My little page is a little Because you had to one-up him.
Speaker 2:I got it, but on YouTube you guys are, was my little, because you had to one-up them. I got it, but on youtube you guys are you have, was it guest pass? I started with missus but I was like that's not correct, right, I like doctor. Yeah, I feel like you got to show them up a little bit I like the doctor and then get into americans and your z, though, like we call the band zz top, or something like zz top what's? What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:no, it's zz top. Get the fuck out of here with this nonsense is that fucking monopoly money.
Speaker 2:Igloo pooping weirdos over there get out of here, uh. And then on youtube.
Speaker 4:You said it's going to be what guest pass on youtube or yeah guest pass and the road are my two shows, but guest pass what I'm building. It's going to be on youtube for entertainment and all that jazz, of course, but the database is going to end up on the website and also on an app so that people can okay find it and they can have a way to navigate very quickly.
Speaker 4:of course, yeah, if you subscribe, it'll pop up like once a month, twice a month, a good, a good episode. So that's what it's going to turn into, once I get the videos backlined and developed, because right now I think we have six or seven produced.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they're published on YouTube. Right now it's on Ziggler Monster Channel, so it's a series that's out now.
Speaker 4:I think we have four published, I think we have seven produced and then like 35 filmed. Yeah, so the editing team is overwhelmed. They are, they have fucking avatar 3 editing team over there just like working for more than 12 months oh shit, that's great they'll be cranking out videos for a while.
Speaker 4:I wanted the database and I had this project for a while. So when I found a production team which is Rising Sun Studios and they make movies they have like in the indie film movies and they do stuff for Netflix. They have a bunch of hands and a lot of different projects and when I got on board with them and I explained the vision and they were on board and I'm like, yeah, you know, let's do it, we went for it and then we have filmed I think a total of between the road and gas pass, I think we have 53 episodes filmed with this production team. So if you're at the youtube channel, it is, it's gorgeous.
Speaker 4:And now I don't make them right, so I don't film them, I don't edit, I don't do it. They hand them off to me and I'm just like this is my favorite show. So, yeah, the way they edit things. And then one time I made the comment we were on site somewhere shooting and I was like I hope this isn't too boring. And the guy filming he was like, no, don't worry, nothing is boring.
Speaker 3:Everything is interesting everything is interesting.
Speaker 4:Everything is interesting. It just has to be captured in a way to show that you know so it's great.
Speaker 3:They're doing a great job.
Speaker 2:I love it.
Speaker 1:I'm looking forward to it, thanks unfortunately don't have a fancy gym up here for you guys, but if you ever want to go out and do hiking and stuff, I got you covered.
Speaker 4:I think you would be surprised once we start doing some research, probably within an hour. We are generous. It's not like we did North Carolina we were in the car for seven hours.
Speaker 1:The cities are like two hours away from me.
Speaker 2:I'm in the middle of nowhere. There's only one road in Canada. Just follow that around I feel like we're being challenged.
Speaker 4:I'm going to be like there's probably a local bear spot, trees knocked over, they pick up. I'm going to find it, I'm going to film it. I'm going to invite my friends, we're going to double membership rates, or not the rates, the attendance.
Speaker 1:Attendance Attendance.
Speaker 2:Is there anything else you wanted to say? Plug Whatever, anything you got.
Speaker 4:No, I'm pretty happy. We got Canada and Columbus, so I'm going to have to put something together for the future and make sure I get out there Definitely.
Speaker 3:We're going to find a gym and show you, rob, I will.
Speaker 4:Like I said, even if it's within like an hour or so, I'll find one.
Speaker 1:I imagine there's probably something in.
Speaker 4:Calgary. That's what the show is. There's always something it's hard to find, so this is going to make it easy for people to find it, and then they're going to be knocking on your door for autographs. I was in town training at the wilderness New York. Close five on that episode yes, pass.
Speaker 2:I mean you should make your own I mean Columbus already has a ton of gems. Like columbus is nice like when I first started, when I first heard like a job offered a job, offered me a position here, and I was like fucking ohio, get the fuck out of here, there's no shit over there. And then I actually came to columbus I was like this is actually pretty sweet, like it's nice um west bar Club.
Speaker 4:It was owned by a guy named Louis Simmons. One of the greatest powerlifting facilities in the world arguably. Rest in peace, louis Simmons. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think I know that one. I know that one, but there's a few around here.
Speaker 1:It's nice you also have every diet soda ever.
Speaker 2:Yes, code Red Zero, code Red Zero, code Red Zero. It's so good, only like a few places in the country have it Totally worth just living here, just for that, the diet but don't cause.
