In Moderation
Providing health, nutrition and fitness advice in moderate amounts to help you live your best life.
Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
In Moderation
Balancing Fitness and Self-Love with Cozy Cardio Girl: Hope Zuckerbrow's Journey
What if exercise could be as comforting as your favorite cozy blanket? Join us for an eye-opening chat with Hope Zuckerbrow, the "cozy cardio girl," who shares her incredible journey of losing 100 pounds, regaining some weight, and revolutionizing her relationship with fitness. Hope's viral "cozy cardio" concept has garnered buzz from major media outlets like Good Morning America and Forbes. We also explore the amusing chaos of parenting a nine-month-old with erratic sleep patterns and reminisce about the outrageous antics of American Gladiators, including their notorious steroid scandals.
Ever wonder how to enjoy your favorite foods without the guilt? We discuss the flexible eating philosophy of "Eat What You Want, Add What You Need," popularized by Liza Liza Weight Loss. This practical approach helps those struggling with binge eating by encouraging the addition of healthy elements to beloved meals, making them more balanced and satisfying. From adding protein yogurt to pancakes to throwing veggies into ramen, we break down how you can make your diet both nutritious and enjoyable.
Finally, we navigate the rocky terrain of public expectations and criticism, especially within the intense gym culture and hyper-masculine "alpha" mentality. Hope shares her mission of promoting moderation and self-love, dealing with pushback, and breaking free from the unhealthy mindset of earning food through exercise. Plus, we brainstorm creative ways to use hate comments for content creation and discuss the differences in comment moderation across social media platforms. Tune in for a fresh, holistic perspective on health, fitness, and embracing criticism to fuel your creativity.
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She will never sleep. I've never heard of a kid with such bad sleep at nine months old. She sleeps like two hours at a time.
Speaker 2:Nine months? I was wondering Nine?
Speaker 1:months, yeah, nine months. She should be sleeping a lot better, but she's not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:We're getting by, we're managing but it's just been.
Speaker 3:She's going through too many growth spurts.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I think she wants to do things I'm telling you you're gonna have a rugby player well, she's gonna be big for sure, but like she's gonna wait, she wakes up and she wants to go around and climb on things and move, like at two in the morning.
Speaker 3:That's what she wants to do and we're just like oh, I'm sorry, not a rugby player, then an american gladiator man, that show was good.
Speaker 1:Do you ever you see the netflix series on american gladiators? Hey everybody, welcome to the podcast in moderation. Have you guys seen the american gladiators netflix? Anybody's seen that. I mean it's you. You really should. If you haven't like the back. They would do so many crazy events that would just get everyone injured.
Speaker 3:It's insane oh, I imagine, yeah, they go into like any of the steroid use or anything. Oh, big time it goes into a lot of that stuff like they, they like literally went to them.
Speaker 1:Like anybody using steroids can't um be a member. But also, we're not gonna check you ever and or if we do, we're gonna tell you we're gonna check you like it was so great you said it's on netflix it's on netflix. You gotta watch like. I don't know what it's called, but it's like something just like of american gladiators. It's so good yeah there we go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and the voice you all just heard was our guest today, pope zuckerbrow by the way happy one week belated birthday, thank you. And by the time the listeners hear this, it'll be two weeks belated.
Speaker 1:So everybody listening, you know two weeks belated for all the cancers out there for all the man, whenever I don't like that it's called cancer, because it's just like why, what like of all the things like I'm a libro youra, you know right. And if I hear cancer, I'm like oh wait, hold on.
Speaker 3:No, you're talking about the sign. That's terrible, rob, are you cancer? Or are you a cancer?
Speaker 2:I'm a cancer, but I'm also a Gemini. A Gemini.
Speaker 1:Anyway, hope. How are you doing?
Speaker 2:How have you been? I'm good. I'm excited to be on here. Like I said, this is the very first podcast I've ever joined, so pumped but a little nervous yeah for coming on your first podcast.
Speaker 1:This is, this is one to pick. I will tell you that that's very that's a choice.
Speaker 3:if anything goes wrong, just make fun of one of us. You'll do fine, fine, easy, but anyway, we. Well, you didn't have to make it sound that easy.
Speaker 1:It's pretty easy. We like to have our guests now introduce themselves, because at the beginning, apparently, we didn't do that at all. We just started talking, so we will give you the floor and you introduce yourself.
Speaker 2:Hello, my name is Hope Zuckerbrow. A lot of people call me the Cozy Cardio Girl if you don't know my actual name. I started out as a weight loss account. I had lost 100 pounds and then I started gaining some back, and that really rocked my relationship with exercise, with myself, just body image in general, and so I needed to do something about it. I stumbled across kind of a series that I started doing on my channel called Cozy Cardio, and it blew up. I've since been in Good Morning America, the Today Show, forbes, vogue. It really caught on like wildfire and now I am doing Cozy Cardio all the time, hoping to help people, are you doing Cozy Cardio right now?
Speaker 2:Exactly right now. I actually thought about walking on the walking pad to try and you could hear the whole time just the humming multitasking, so maybe not but um. So yeah, now I just hang out on my channels, I do cozy cardio, I preach moderation, um and self-love. So who knows what moderation is? I don't know, but it's lost.
Speaker 1:It's been lost on all of us. Um, but before, okay, I do, obviously. Yes, we got to get into cozy cardio, but I think, before we get into that, I'd like to get into the.
Speaker 1:Eat what you want, add what you need yeah, because you know, that was kind of where, like, I first saw one of your videos I think I got tagged in that one and then, uh, people got really people love that a lot got really interested. I've been trying to do a few videos since but like, yeah, tell us, tell us about that yeah, so the eat what you want, add what you need.
Speaker 2:Videos got a lot of con or got a lot of traction. Um, it started out with liza liza weight loss.
Speaker 3:I don't know if you guys follow her.
Speaker 2:She was the original creator, the first person to kind of coin the eat what you want, add what you need series and I had a lot of my followers tagging me in her comment section thinking, oh, this looks like something Hope would love. So I went and I looked and she was plating something up and she was doing the eat what you want, add what you need and I absolutely loved it. So I tried to do my own version and it's super quickly, like when viral on my page as well, and so I really want everybody to know I actually not the creator of that. Liza Liza weight loss journey, I believe, is her full ad. Um, she was the one who started it and it has been a tool that I use.
Speaker 3:I mean I do steal everything.
Speaker 1:I do try and give credit, but but like, is it stealing? If you give credit? I mean, I guess it is still stealing, but that's fine, whatever, that's how you guys, so many people do so many.
Speaker 2:I mean it's hard to have an original idea.
Speaker 3:Imitation is the highest form of flattery, isn't it that also? But like at this point, there is no like creating anything.
Speaker 1:Everything has been said you just kind of like repackage it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah I started using her philosophy and it was super successful. As you can see, a lot of other people like the concept and then you made the video on it and, yeah, that blew up too.
Speaker 1:That was pretty crazy yeah, I was kind of surprised by it. I was just like this is. I mean people, but I mean I guess, okay, well, before we get into it, um, so give us like we're talking about, like people know what it is, but like someone doesn't know what it is. What is it?
Speaker 2:So eat what you want, add what you need was basically a philosophy that she was talking about or like a method she was using, for she was a binge eater, or I'm not sure if she is, or she was what her journey is with it. But at the time she was struggling with binge eating and that's something that I also struggle with. And, um, she started saying eat what you want. So if you want that pop tart, if you want the corn dog, if you want the burger, eat it. If you're going to restrict yourself, you're probably going to go and binge on it later on.
Speaker 2:So eat what you want, but also eat what you need, add what you need. That's going to like keep you full. It's gonna keep you sustained, make you feel good after eating it. So usually, like, if I want that burger really bad, I'm gonna eat what I want, I'm gonna eat the burger. But if I'm gonna add what I need, I'm probably gonna have, like I don't know, salad, asparagus, something healthy, on the side. Nobody eats asparagus with a burger, but you know where I'm getting that.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm definitely for sure there's a study along that that I really love.
Speaker 3:It's the one where they took two groups of kids. One group of kids they um, there's a table of candy, and that group of kids was only ever allowed to go to the table of candy and take stuff when they were told at specific times, and the other group could go over to the table anytime they wanted and take whatever they wanted. And so the group that was able to do it whenever they wanted. They would go over, they would take one piece and they'd go back to play, Interesting the group that was restricted when they were allowed to go to the table they went over and they to the table.
Speaker 1:Was it like toilet paper during COVID?
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yes, that candy just disappeared yeah. As soon as you get the green light if you've been restricted before. So yeah, I mean, and I think the video that kind of blew up originally was like that was so funny, it was like pancakes, it was like premier, that was so funny, it was like, uh, pancakes, it was like premier protein pancakes I said I was craving pancakes so bad but I needed to add a little like protein or substance to it.
Speaker 1:So I added maple syrup to yogurt protein yogurt yeah, I remember the light and fit because that's the best, that's the best yogurt, and it was like toasted marshmallow and people. It was funny because everyone's like wait, I didn't know. Premier protein made pancakes wait, I didn't know. Toasted marshmallows wait, I didn't know. Maple syrup was a thing like people didn't know like all it was. It worked.
Speaker 1:People really like that one but like there was a, so there's a, so that in that instance, yes, you want pancakes, you add some protein protein to it, you make it more satiating, more filling, and there's a great. I've seen you do many other things like, oh, you want pancakes, you add some protein to it, you make it more satiating, more filling, and there's a great. I've seen you do many other things like oh, you want ramen, so you're going to add some vegetables, scallions or whatever it is. You know, just trying to add things, because I've said multiple times, you know, it's about adding, not restricting, right, it's about what you can add to your diet instead of take away, because often when people go on a diet, they say, okay, what can I have anymore?
Speaker 1:These several things, whatever it is, but instead of that, just what things? How can I add these other things into my diet, which will naturally just kind of push the other things into smaller quantities. Let's say so like that, this just kind of quantified that I feel really well, You're just like oh, yeah, you eat that.
Speaker 1:But also, here you go. Here's some other stuff. Do you have any? What, rob rob? You got any other? What eat, what you want, what you need, what do you eat, what do you? What are you wanting to eat? But what then? What are you adding?
Speaker 3:you know, the biggest thing for me would be uh, pizza, because I mean, everybody wants pizza.
Speaker 1:Who does a pizza?
Speaker 3:and I love pizza and I know my family thinks I'm so weird for this, but like I'll add a bunch of spinach on it and I'll add a bunch and I'll actually I'll cut back on the cheese. I'll ask for the cheese to be, you know, cut back of it. It's some places they put a little too much on. I know people love cheese action but you've replaced some of that cheese, you get some spinach on it. You get some greens on there, you know some peppers, whatever, Get some. I love chicken on there as well.
Speaker 1:Pizza's one of the easiest things to do because you can add whatever you like. I mean, I'm like a fucking heathen that likes mushrooms and olives and all that stuff that people absolutely tend to hate.
Speaker 3:Another one I absolutely love is, if I'm going for fast food, I will ask them to triple the amount of greens on there, triple lettuce or whatever.
Speaker 1:So you've got these nice, yeah, that's what you're painting right. I don't know.
Speaker 3:Everybody talked at once. No, no, I'm just going to take over.
Speaker 1:That's fine. So, my favorite thing is like, because I always get like those. I go to Costco, right, and you get those big boxes of like individually packaged I don't know, let's say Fritos because boxes of like individually packaged I don't know.
Speaker 2:Let's say fritos, because I like fritos. I don't know something about fritos, they're like court.
Speaker 1:It's so good especially. I feel like they're actually in the chip community. I like a good frito anyway, but it's like 160 calories for like a package. People like, oh, I'd eat 12 of those. I'm like, well, you could do that. Or I always grab one of those and then I grab whatever else and it could be anything. Usually it's like nuts, like peanuts, or if I have berries or some type of fruit or you know, whatever I have, it doesn't really make carrots, even though they're soaked in chlorine and they're trying to kill you.
Speaker 1:Other than that you know, the little ballhouse dress. A ballhouse dressing, oh delicious.
Speaker 3:Ballhouse. Sponsor me you bastards dressing. Oh delicious.
Speaker 1:Sponsor me, you bastards. So you know you just grab like you know you will be less tempted to eat the entire box. If you have other things, you can add to it and make it more filling. That's all. That's what it's about it is.
Speaker 2:In moderation.
Speaker 1:And that's how you do it Eat what you want, add what you need. Adding not subtracting.
Speaker 3:Let's not forget adding the peanut M&M's into some popcorn.
Speaker 1:Peanut, but does the coating melt on the peanut, on the?
Speaker 3:M&M. I mean, they're supposed to be melt in your mouth, not in your hands, Right but you put them in popcorn.
Speaker 1:I feel like popcorn's like my mouth. What is popcorn if not your mouth? I feel like popcorn's like my mouth. What is popcorn if not your mouth? I feel like it would melt in there, like I've seen people put like those snow caps in popcorn. I do not like that, because you put your hand in there, you take it out, it's just covered in chocolate and sugar and it's all sticky and I don't like that.
Speaker 3:But the the m&ms have because of the candy shell. As long as the candy shell doesn't break, they won't okay, they won't like that. But the the m&ms have because of the candy shell as long as the candy shell doesn't break, they won't okay, they won't melt.
Speaker 1:That's my question yeah, that's my question because I want to make sure it's just not melted. But peanut m&m is fucking delicious, oh, and popcorn gets, so it's underrated, man as volume you know volume food right, you just add popcorn to other things. See, there you go. We're giving you guys so many options we're so good at this fucking give ourselves a pat on the back. Yeah, what you want, add what you need. Podcast over, we're done. All right, everybody have a good day. We still don't have an outro.
Speaker 3:Our outro is just us usually yelling about something mostly me and yelling at people to not be their worst I think that's the outro, then a consistent.
Speaker 2:It's kind of the outro non-consistent outro.
Speaker 1:I think people need not be their worst.
Speaker 2:I think that's the outro, then A consistent non-consistent outro.
Speaker 1:I think people need to be yelled at that. Everything's okay, you just need someone to be like, it's fine, relax.
Speaker 2:Aggressive affirmations. I love them.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, that's what we need. But anyway, talking about aggression, cozy Cardio, oh man.
Speaker 3:The very first when I got introduced to Hope it was because, speaking of aggression, the Papa Swoleo video.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll get it, okay. Okay, before we Punching at the face. Before we put the horse before the cart no, Before we put the cart before the horse, cart before the horse yeah, cart, before, because the horse you kind of want the horse before the horse.
Speaker 1:yeah, before because the horse kind of want the horse before the car. You kind of don't want the horses pushing the cart and you're just sitting in front hoping they oh shit, um, talking about that, uh, so cozy cardio, give. I want to. I want to just give the floor to you and you give us like a rundown. So you gave us a little bit kind of how you started it. But like you know who's it, for what is it, give us, give us all that.
Speaker 2:I don't know it's so I'd say cozy cardio is like for anybody who is looking to heal their relationships with exercise a little bit. I say all the time I think the fitness industry I think sorry to say guys, cause I know you're some gym bros, but I think a lot of times gym bros um, they make the fitness industry and exercising and for people who want it weight loss feel really overwhelming and scary, especially for beginners. And I, like I had mentioned earlier, when I gained the weight back, exercising like I normally was was a lot harder. Like, obviously, when you have a lot more weight on your body, it's harder to do those exercises and stuff, and so when you get to that point, you just don't know where to start, you don't know what to do. Your relationship with exercise is usually down the drain, and so I wanted to start something that made me feel comfortable, and I actually didn't even need to start like the whole series, the whole brand cozy cardio, all of it.
Speaker 2:I just simply woke up one morning I'm an early bird, I can't sleep super late. It was literally 5 am. My boyfriend had to go and open the restaurant that he was working at, and so I was already up, I had had my protein coffee in hand and the TV was on and the candles were already lit. I like a vibey morning, what can I say? I just hopped on the walking pad because I had my coffee. I was jittery, I couldn't go back to sleep and I was like damn, this is really fun. So let me go ahead and just make a little content out of it. See what they think. And that first video popped off and I said cardio, but make it dot dot, dot cozy. And from then on it took off.
Speaker 1:And so now I've kind of played out on that and a lot of people enjoy their own cozy cardio sessions and it's basically just about doing a nice relaxing exercise, getting some vibey ambience going and enjoying movement, regardless of what the number on the scale looks like cardio for the soul cardio for the soul yeah, well, like what for the type of cardio, though I see you do like a lot on your content with the walking pad, but it can be pretty much anything that's just kind of relaxing, but movement like yeah, so that's something that I'm trying to kind of post a little bit more about.
Speaker 2:I really enjoy the walking pad. I enjoy walking. I've had both my feet reconstructed so it's just kind of easier on my body to walk. However, I've noticed that people have really started putting that putting cozy cardio into a box because of that, and so I'm actually trying to push out different kinds of content. I just got a. You know, you can order like a small at home stepper on Amazon for 80 bucks, something like that. I just ordered one. So I'm trying to show people hey, you can make cozy cardio a little bit more intense if you want. You can really get a good sweat in if that's something you're looking for, or you can chill on your walking pad and just exercise, but either way, it's just supposed to be enjoyable. It's supposed to be with ambience. It's super important not to put cozy cardio into a box, you know do you have a switch?
Speaker 3:me yeah no, but I want one I was good you should look into it and the Just Dance games, Because if you put those on just an easy mode, you know it's just Some fun cardio. It's a little cardio, a little bit of dancing.
Speaker 2:So fair. I'm going to make that content and then I'm going to tag you as the birth of that content. Thank you.
Speaker 1:I will tell you, I don't know those little steppers that you get on Amazon. I bought one. I don't know how cozy it is because that thing you spent five minutes there. I had. I brought it to work and I have my like coworkers right and they're like what is this? They're like my quads are burning. Like this is hard. This is way harder than I expected.
Speaker 2:So I tried it for like five minutes when I got it and I was like, oh yeah, oh yeah, that's a burn right there, and so it did make me a little bit intimidated to try and like watch a whole show or something or a whole movie while doing that maybe watch that episode of Spongebob like 11 minutes good plan good plan shorter. Rick and.
Speaker 1:Morty or something like something that's not, it'll be.
Speaker 2:It'll be an adventure, though, and I will be filming the first attempt at it, so we'll all get a good look at that experience exactly so, like it can be.
Speaker 1:You know whatever you feel, and then we talk about because people, every time I bring it up, I always get new people like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That's a thing. The protein coffees give us the little, a little rundown on that sort of thing.
Speaker 2:I didn't realize people didn't know a whole lot about protein coffee. I'm a huge fan of protein coffee. I love protein coffee. Um, what I do every morning. I have an amazing coffee maker that doesn't over ice brew, because I prefer an iced coffee and I just do a little over ice brew. I pour in an entire protein shake little 160 calorie, 30 grams of protein for starting the day and add in a little bit of my silk almond milk creamer and I have a delicious coffee. I shit you not. I've had that every single day for four to five days or four to five years. I love my protein coffee so much that I literally brought eight protein shakes with me on the cruise that I just went on so that I could have my morning protein coffee, um but, you don't have to use protein shakes.
Speaker 2:I've seen a lot of people use like little packets of protein powder or whatever protein powder just mixing it into the fair life milk or, if you're in Canada, dairy land. And it's delicious. I I'm somebody who needs a good amount of protein, starting off in the day, or else the nighttime. I'll just binge on everything that I can. So eating as much protein during the day as possible is super important, and that was one of the easiest ways I learned how to do that. 30 grams of that.
Speaker 1:What's your talk to us about? The flavors, the what are they? Brands, I don't know. Like usually I think, like I see with Premier Protein, and then like there's so many different flavors Like what you got, what do you like?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like people are going to come for me. I listen, first of all, I do not. I'm not a fancy person. Ok, I'm usually rocking with the Walmart Equate versions.
Speaker 3:Ok, you're in the right place. Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2:I like caramel. Anybody's curious. The caramel protein shakes delicious, but that's what I'm usually rocking with. I sometimes like, I guess, a premier protein shake like a cookie dough flavor, but other than that I'm rocking with what's cheapest. I will say you can't refrigerate them because they get a little clumpy. I guess that's maybe the downside of generic brands.
Speaker 1:But you know, oh, all the name brands have that, except for like Fairlife's, the only one that doesn't, because it's just actually milk that they, you know ultra pasteurized, where all the other ones are kind of like water and protein powder, and you're going to get that clumpiness a little bit, no matter what, but it tastes good and it gets you protein. But what about the chemicals, rob?
Speaker 2:The chemicals, the chemicals, oh no, I know the people who are saying that are like vaping two seconds later too.
Speaker 3:Please don't come on me right now, the chemicals. Hold on while I finish up this bump, and then I'll tell you about the chemicals.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it's so true, rich covered in tattoos.
Speaker 3:Use all the products in their hair the chemicals.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's so good don't forget the both sides cardio.
Speaker 1:So yes, I mean you know the protein, like you said, yeah, super important at the beginning of the day. I would say, like we talked about this last episode, about like gary brekka's like 30, 30, 30 is like get protein 30 minutes after you wake up, like 30 grams 30 minutes after you wake up, like you know, like a lot of stuff's nonsense, but yeah, getting protein early on can just be very helpful. You don't feel as hungry as fast, whereas if you eat something that's you know, simple carbohydrates, you should probably be hungrier faster because it'll be digested quicker. So, yeah, I mean I love that idea. And then, um, it works and it's good. Yeah, exactly Like it works.
Speaker 2:And then I like you know the candles and everything like that just make it feel like comfortable for you and then I, like you know the candles and everything like that, just make it feel like comfortable for you, right, because you go to my core, absolutely you got it, you got to make it enjoyable. If you're going to want to do it often, if you want to move your body often, I had to make it in a way that I actually enjoyed myself.
Speaker 1:And I love it. Yeah, I mean where you're like comfy outfit, right. Like you got everybody's got those like comfy pajamas that you've had for 72 years, that are like falling apart, but you still, you still wear them, the best and the only way to do it. I have a shirt that shit, you know from when I was 13 years old. It's bleach, stains everywhere. It's like an extra, extra, extra large, so it's just like a, a nightgown for me. I'm like whatever, like it's comfy, I love it it's real comfy.
Speaker 2:I have one like that myself and it's the best.
Speaker 1:But so, yeah, and then, ok, I guess, well, I have heard from a few people that cozy cardio upsets others a little bit, just a little bit, just a little bit. So you know, tell us, you, you know, give us a little bit of the pushback that you get from people yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:For a while I was, I was grinding with the cozy cardio series and there was no hate coming at me and I was like, yeah, what's to hate on it's?
Speaker 3:amazing, it's perfect yeah it's exercise.
Speaker 2:People are moving their bodies. Yes, it's fun. You know what is there to hate?
Speaker 3:on it's mental health too and exactly self-care, right?
Speaker 2:I call it a little uh, what's the word? I usually say, like a little meditational self-love moment. Um, what was the question? Sorry, I'm so add. What'd you say I was? I?
Speaker 1:think I was asking what your favorite banana flavor was.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when they're like all black and stuff Actually, well, kind of I do like them, not black, okay, that's like for being red. But like they need to be pretty spotty or else I won't even look at it.
Speaker 1:I mean, I like a good number of, like you know, spots means there's more sugar, right, like it's sweeter. That's great, but you want a little bit like you don't want to be mushy though.
Speaker 2:No, I do need a little bit of a bite, I will admit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but don't come out with a slightly green one.
Speaker 1:Oh, no, no, no, no, that's that's awful, that's. We don't talk about those people, but anyway, so you were talking about how, like, yeah, gym culture and like the gym pros and stuff, I think I don't know. I think think I don't know. I I think it's especially with like younger guys and I've been there you get really into this, like you want it to be intense, like you want exercise to be intense. So then you feel like everyone else should feel that way, because we all feel the center of our own universe, right. So I think when they they see like cozy cardio is kind of like an attack on what they like. Maybe I don't know exactly what it is, but that's just kind of my guess.
Speaker 3:You know what Cozy Cardio is? It's the opposite of Alpha Camps.
Speaker 1:It's kind of yeah, a what? So? There's the Alpha Camps, where you pay thousands of dollars to have other men scream at you and throw dirt at you and hose you down. And it's not sexual at all, absolutely not. Absolutely, not, absolutely no of course we're not saying that it is is in any way for those that do it, but if it, is sexual, that's okay but yeah it's. It's this whole like alpha thing where you have to be like this alpha male, like stuff, and so I just feel like a man so yeah, like there was this.
Speaker 1:So there's papa suolio who basically just yells, spits out his coffee and yells things at people essentially, a lot of you have probably seen him.
Speaker 3:All he does is yell go to the fucking gym go to his content most of it yeah except for when he's getting angry at cozy card except for then right yeah, so yeah, that was insane, I have to admit.
Speaker 2:So yeah, that's what we were talking about. I don't get a lot of hate for cozy cardio. For the most part people see it as a pretty good thing. But I don't know who shat in papa suolio's cheerios that morning. He was not happy about cozy cardio I. I literally have never seen a grown man get so viscerally upset about pretty lights and a walking pad that he would threaten to punch somebody else, let alone another girl like are you kidding me?
Speaker 1:you're crazy but um what are?
Speaker 2:you gonna do?
Speaker 1:I'm just gonna say whoever shit in his cheerios that morning, every morning, it's every morning that's literally his entire personality though he's just screaming about things. Yeah, but like he's found this like group of people that like enjoy that, so you know it's.
Speaker 3:I mean, if you're inspired by some guy yelling at you to go to the gym, whatever, I guess, I guess. Once you start yelling it. Once you start threatening physical violence against somebody for exercising, you've crossed a line.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's also just kind of stupid to me to be somebody who, in every video, your tagline is like go to the fucking gym, like you want people to move, you want people to work out. And here's somebody showing you like, hey, this is maybe something that helps people who never move, never work out. They're starting to like why would you be so angry about that? It was crazy, I still.
Speaker 1:I literally can't get over it right, yeah, like yeah, I mean, it just comes from this place where you know they they have their own idea of what they like and they try and attack anything else. That's pretty much it. But yeah, for anybody out there, whatever gets you moving more, I don't care what it is, I love the vr stuff and whatever, because I again we've gone over many times how much I hate running like, so like I really, unless you're pressing a, unless I'm pressing a, was the only way I did run for a very long time and I will probably continue that trend. I did last night I went on the the, the treadmill, inclined like 20 minutes, like you know, three miles an hour. That's it. That's I can. I can do that, that I'm. I'm good. Listen to my podcast, this, I listen to this podcast. I just listen to myself talk, that's all I do.
Speaker 3:But like same thing, like going back to the switch, I'll grab a, you know, get on a treadmill, put it on just a nice slow place pace, put the incline up and just play my switch and it's relaxing and it's nice and you can let your brain melt a little bit, right, exactly?
Speaker 1:and you know, get some lights. I I mean, I, yeah, whatever gets you to move is awesome, but I would love to get because it's. The other thing I saw was, um, you were talking about the Today Show where Cozy Cardio has been on there. Yeah, and how they did talk about you a little bit on there but they also seem to kind of give the credit most of it to someone else.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was wondering if we were going to touch on this today. Yeah, so were you still going?
Speaker 1:Sorry, I didn't mean to. No, no, we touch on everything I. I touch things and then I let you go ahead, which doesn't sound sexual at all yeah, does not touch certain things, don't go there disclaimer. What do we say? Nothing is off limits, and that's limits.
Speaker 2:Okay, we just lost all our sponsors.
Speaker 3:I'd say they're gone.
Speaker 1:We say nothing is off limits, and that's limits. We just lost all our sponsors.
Speaker 3:I'd say they're gone, go ahead.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it was today's show. Cody was on it, but yeah, so the today show.
Speaker 2:So I've already done good morning America. And it was an extremely positive experience, which is why, when the today show reached out, I was like, oh yeah, I love these types of things, let's do this. It's amazing exposure. And the person had told my manager. They were like, yeah, we want to interview all about Cozy Cardio. We want to know how you started it, why you're passionate about it, how many people you've helped. They really made it seem like they were going to go in on Cozy Cardio and so I'm pumped. Right day comes, the show comes out and another woman's face is attached to the entire segment. Almost I was in there for maybe 15 seconds. Um, and I don't even. I don't know what to say. I don't. I don't want to get sued for defamation or something like that. But I don't want to get sued for defamation or something like that. But straight up, she. She took the whole segment, cozy cardio and then, right after that, she dropped a cozy sculpt segment and is still profiting off of it, no matter how much I try and post about it.
Speaker 1:Whatever, so and oh yeah, definitely sucks what I find the most like because she has sculpt society, like that's her whole like thing. It's like she already has her own brand and just kind of uh, I don't know like kirby did this, you know, we just kind of. And then just like ate it, um, and. But I find I like cozy sculpt. I kind of just started I was just laughing because I'm like it always the whole point of cozy cardio was like you don't have to change your body at all, this is just about moving more. Like you can correct me if I'm wrong here but like this is just about getting more movement and enjoying exercise, maybe healing relationship with it, all that stuff. And then they're like hey, what about cozy sculpt? Because like it always seems like it has to come back to changing your body, like exercise has to come back to changing your body some way. So it's like this is like the antithesis of what the whole point of it was.
Speaker 2:And that is why it was so heartbreaking. And still, literally, why I can't let it go, is because this entire movement and now kind of the brand that I've been able to turn it into, it's literally all based in self-love. Been able to turn it into it's literally all based in self-love, it's all based in just enjoying yourself and being happy with the movement and not having pressure, and not it was. It was all birthed out of this like self-discussed feeling that I had been feeling because I thought I had to do programs like cozy sculpt all the time. It was supposed to be a relief from that and so, yeah, I mean sports illustrated and stuff. I believe they called cozy, or I believe they called her cozy sculpt, the sister to cozy cardio okay, terrible number one.
Speaker 1:Why is she talking to her about cozy cardio?
Speaker 2:yeah but too, I mean, I've literally seen, I'm seeing whole articles written about her being like oh, megan Roop, showing you the cozy cardio trend, how she does it and why she does it. And it's like she, I, she hasn't reached out to me at all. You know, I haven't heard one peep from her the whole time, so I guess she's cool with it. What can you do?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean well, not much, except just try to explain it. That's why I just want to bring it up, because it's it. It always feels just with any sort of exercise program saw in the advertisements, which are always like fucking outlandish and crazy. Then you just get discouraged. So like why would you even? And like I get your brand is like sculpt nation and like cool, like that's fine, I got you know? No, no problem with that, but like just to, yeah, I don't know, it's just kind of frustrating. It's just like you're doing the opposite of what it's completely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, complete disregard for the actual message of cozy cardio. It was a huge letdown. Think that exercise has to have some sort of crazy end goal, and that's another. I made a video about this, saying cozy cardio triggers people. That I actually really do like, because I taught in the video I talk about how, like you're talking about, most people take exercise moving their body, and it is two things it's either a form of punishment of some sort for them for what they ate, or what?
Speaker 3:yeah, whatever's going on in there or two.
Speaker 2:Um, you know it's solely to shrink their body or to grow their muscles or to change their physique in some sort of way. And it's become almost impossible to think about exercise as just something to enjoy. Not to shrink your body, not to grow your muscles, not for some sort of crazy end goal, but just to enjoy moving your body. Because not to grow your muscles, not for some sort of crazy end goal, but just to enjoy moving your body because it feels good. That whole aspect has just been taken out of exercise and it breaks my heart, you know.
Speaker 3:I'm having to look at the cozy sculpt. Is that something I've seen?
Speaker 1:Yeah, go ahead and look it up, because I don't think I've ever seen I'm just trying to like, I'm sitting here trying to remember I don't think I've ever seen a workout program that was like hey, this is to get more movement and help you feel better, you know, and and you know you just make you feel better. It's it always starts and ends with you'll look better, you'll look like this, and so it just always has to. I guess, I guess, in order to like sell it to like a larger audience and make money off it, like, maybe you just have to do that, like it feels that way, you know, like with I, I, I hope, like I want cozy cardio right, to be able to just like hey, this is, this is just for you know, mental health and and getting movement and all these things, and like, do you think you could? Is it possible to sell that to a wide audience?
Speaker 2:Like what do you think? Absolutely, I mean, without a doubt, I already have number one. Number two um, the cozy cardio club is quite the army. What can I say? Number one, I mean when this was all going down not that I condone this, I want to go ahead and say that but so many. I had no idea how much Cozy Cardio was truly supported and loved until that moment, because they all I mean an army of people started going into her comments saying like hey, this isn't right, this isn't okay, what are you doing, basically. And so I saw how much support Cozy Cardio actually had. And now I've started the Cozy Cardio Club Instagram. Go check it out if you want to be part of the Cozy Cardio actually had. And now I've started the Cozy Cardio Club Instagram. Go check it out if you want to be part of the Cozy Cardio Club.
Speaker 2:I'm you know, I just started it a couple weeks ago. I'm already at close to 5,000 followers, halfway to our 10k mark that I had. That was my goal for like the first six months was to get to 10k. You know, I had no idea how this was going to go and I'm already at half my goal in the first couple of weeks. You know people love this idea of cozy cardio. People love not even cozy cardio. I want to take like the branding part out of it. They love the idea of pressure free exercise. Yes, there's not enough of it, and so I do think there is a space here to. I feel like I've kind of wedged in a tiny space of the fitness energy, the fitness industry, where it can just be for enjoyment, and I'm hoping to just kind of make that wedge a bit wider as time goes on, with the people who seem to love it. I definitely think you can, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I, I mean I've, I'll do everything in my power to try and make that wedge a little bit bigger, because it really, I mean it's just, it's just every time, it's always, always, when you go looking like into the fitness and exercise, it's always about changing your body. So, yeah, I mean, I hope, I really hope so, and I'd love for, just because, again, like you said, there's just, it's not there, like it's not, can you go out and look anywhere else for something about exercise and not have it be about changing your body at all.
Speaker 2:I don't think we're going to find a single one.
Speaker 2:You won't. And I do want to point out, you know, weight loss isn't a bad word. It's something that changes a lot of people's lives for the better. You know, it's like I said, it's not a bad word, and cozy cardio is such a you know, a broad concept that if you, if your goal is weight loss, cozy cardio could help assist in that as well. Walking is walking. Walking is amazing, you know, but it doesn't have to be like that, and so that's just. The biggest iteration I want to make is yes, you can lose weight, you can change your body doing cozy cardio, more intense versions of it, whatever, whatever, but it doesn't have to be like that. As you are, sit back and relax and just enjoy yourself. That's what I want people to feel when they hear the cozy cardio or when they see cozy cardio videos.
Speaker 3:you know yeah, not, not so much sculpt your body sculpt your body yeah, well you know, and the people watching on uh youtube they're gonna see my face just slowly getting A little bit. What am I looking at and it's like what else what?
Speaker 1:do we got? How are we sculpting our body, Rob?
Speaker 2:The thing is Go for it I'm sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you.
Speaker 3:That's the thing it's like nothing about this is sculpting Nothing about this is sculpting, it's like it's, it's just it's cozy. Yoga is what it is. It's. I'm not hating the. The idea, yeah, the idea of it's fine, but it's like, in addition to it being an oxymoron cozy sculpt, it's also false advertising, because there's nothing sculpting about this and she's being pretty smart about it, because I've done, I've been trying to kind of look at her socials, look at her website.
Speaker 2:She's not advertising for cozy sculpt. She, I couldn't see any ads, she wasn't posting about it. So I was like, hey, she knows about the situation. She's turned our comments off and she's heavily filtering her comments so you're not going to see anything, any context about it on any of her videos. But she's not posting anything cozy anymore. So I thought she took it all down. I was like, ok, you're not going to reach out to me, that's fine, but you're not posting about it. You took down the program, that's also fine, we're going to down the program, that's also fine. We're gonna just try and like call it quits. Well then I'm scrolling on my for you page the other day and a cozy sculpt ad by megan root is there and I was like, okay, I can see that this was posted a few months ago, so maybe this was happening when it was all going down and she just never took it down. But then she was posting in the comment section three days ago okay so she knows the.
Speaker 1:So it's like the time I murdered that hobo, and then I laid low for a while so that nobody would you know. You let everything cool down for a while and then you pop back up. See, that's the key, right there, and that's what she's doing and she she's murdering hobos.
Speaker 3:Do you know how to search the ad libraries for ads that are currently running on platforms? No, You'll probably hate me when I show you how to do it and you see the results You're going to have to see. Not that I've seen the results, but I assume that they're there, based on what you've said.
Speaker 2:They are, I know.
Speaker 1:So, I will show you how to access.
Speaker 3:You can go and look at all the ads that are running on TikTok.
Speaker 2:You're 100% going to have to show me that. Yeah, oh, that's not going to be good, oh, no.
Speaker 1:Y'all know how much season does see Scott? I love how much I'm going to hate this, but anyway, yeah, we don't have to beat this dead horse too much.
Speaker 2:So basically, yes, I do appreciate you touching on it, though. Thank you for the recognition on that.
Speaker 1:I want to try and get like I really like this, the two things you know, like originally by. Originally by Liza. Yes, we're, we want to give credit, but like eat what you want, what you need, you know, cozy cardio, just about like we. We named our fucking podcast in moderation.
Speaker 3:Like we're trying.
Speaker 1:We're trying so hard just to show people that it doesn't have to be this intense fucking nonsense about restricting everything. Fucking exercise till you get rhabdomyolysis and puke your pants. I don't know like it's. That's what. It just seems to be so much and I'm just so over all of it me too.
Speaker 2:I feel I can definitely say like the happiest, the healthiest version of myself if I can ever look back on it, I can tell tell you I was fairly balanced in life, whether it was food, whether it was exercise, work, life balance I was practicing balance and that was kind of what was keeping the ball rolling. Times where I'm not really practicing that, I can feel things getting loose up there, you know.
Speaker 3:So I just realized I just realized what cozy skull made me think of. Um, who's that? Oh, what's her? Name no, the asian lady who does like the really simple exercises on youtube and she's got like millions of followers, but all she does is like this yes, I think I know who you're talking about.
Speaker 1:I don't remember her name. Oh man, what is her? Name, but like is she the one that like say like hey, if you want to work these muscles or you work your?
Speaker 1:triceps just like wave your arm back, up and down, back and forth, because I feel like I have seen that, but like again, that's, that's simple. I've seen like videos with like tens of millions of views are like you want to work these muscles, just kind of like do this and like turn your body left and right like a robot, like chloe ting, chloe ting, yeah that's who it is.
Speaker 3:Um and like all her content is you know it's again it's. There's nothing wrong with it. It gets right, like it's people moving right, that's what she gives that impression that by doing this you'll lose all this arm fat.
Speaker 2:It's really simple, Sorry for the people listening.
Speaker 3:I'm just moving my arm back. It's just really super simple exercises that aren't going to build muscle. She makes the impression that you're going to lose fat and build muscle by doing them Cozy sculpt makes me think of cozy cardio plus cozy plus chloe ting.
Speaker 1:yeah, I mean, I could see that I can see that it's the yoga version of chloe ting yeah, I mean it's just frustrating because I I, you know I want people to move and if all of these things, you know, get people to move, that's awesome. But it's just all the yeah, it's all the extra stuff that we're just like, yeah, let's pull that back a little bit and just enjoy yourself. The exercise doesn't have to be, like you said, punishment. How many comments have you gotten, robert?
Speaker 1:Like I get DMs all the time Like, hey, I burned this extra many calories, can I eat this extra food? And I'm like, boy, you are going down a rough fucking path. I've been there. And I'm not like rolling my eyes because, like I, you know, I, I've been there. Listen, you know we're like, okay, if I burned 400 calories, then I can have this. I'm like earning food through exercise is a terrible idea. Like for many reasons. There's layers to why it's a terrible idea, but first and foremost, you're just going to be frustrated and like, ah, I highly zero stars do not recommend. That's what I would say.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I agree, yeah, don't. Don't tie rewarding behavior to your food. Yeah, or?
Speaker 1:unrewarding. Don't, don't punish yourself with food and don't feel like you have to earn it. Yeah, yeah interesting.
Speaker 2:So what would y'all say? I feel like this is a question that a lot of my I get a lot of kind of beginners on my page trying to figure out the first steps to a healthy lifestyle both diet wise, exercise, wise stuff like that. But I also get a lot of people who do including myself again struggle with binging. I know myself, you know, I've been caught in cycles before where I truly I just felt like almost like the food noise what do they call it is so loud. All I can think about is food, and then I will end up restricting because I I don't want to eat all of that or whatever, and then I end up doing it at nighttime or something like that. I know a lot of people struggle eat all of that or whatever, and then I end up doing it at nighttime or something like that. I know a lot of people struggle with kind of that cycle. What would you guys say to somebody who's struggling through that cycle, who's trying to kind of break it and to stop binging? What advice would you give?
Speaker 3:Listen to our podcast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get asked a lot about binge eating and there's a. There's a great I'll have to look it up at some point here, so try and mention it. There's a great content creator who works just basically solely with that, but it's it's a really difficult thing.
Speaker 3:A lot of it comes down to mental health, and so I would say I was going to say the same thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, going to therapy that I've been through.
Speaker 3:It's helped me a lot. You have to find out what the underlying yeah it is.
Speaker 2:OK, so y'all, would y'all agree, or would y'all say that binge eating is more of an emotional thing than it is like?
Speaker 1:for a lot of people, it definitely can be.
Speaker 3:There's a good chance that, yes, it's tied to something emotional or something mental and before and until you kind of work on that, solve that to some progress, there's also the chance that it could be tied to something hormonal?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh fair, I didn't even think about that you could need to go see a doctor yeah.
Speaker 3:Interesting.
Speaker 2:So basically get in therapy and go see a doctor folks.
Speaker 3:Everybody always says the whole um eat more or eat less, eat more, move less. Yes, that's eat less, move more, more. But the other thing to that is get checked for underlying conditions.
Speaker 2:Yeah definitely. So fair. Yeah, Interesting. This is a good question. I just wanted to see what y'all would say about that.
Speaker 1:And people are always asking like, hey, I wish I could just get that one thing that you could tell me and it would fix it. And I'm like I'm sorry that just doesn't often it almost fix it and I'm like I'm sorry that just doesn't often, it almost never.
Speaker 2:I wish it did yeah.
Speaker 1:Liam is it still light outside where you're at it is like 30 more minutes. It's like 9 o'clock here. What time zone are you in?
Speaker 2:central time, so it was 7 o'clock when I got on. That was eight o'clock for you, right?
Speaker 1:yes, yes, yes, eight o'clock. So I'm at nine o'clock. So, yeah, I'm a little bit later, but yeah, it's still light here it's still light there and it's completely dark here.
Speaker 2:That's wild that is wild.
Speaker 1:Okay, it's ryan nicole, anyway, that's who I want to mention. It's's Ryan Nicole is a licensed therapist. It's yeah.
Speaker 3:She goes.
Speaker 1:Ryan licensed therapist, or it's Ryan Nicole is. She goes by on her socials. She does a lot with Benji Dean and helping people. I just wanted to make sure I found that to you know.
Speaker 2:I'm going to work her up, thank you.
Speaker 1:I remember she did a great video that I did a video on that. That blew up where she's like I a bag of chips, but I um, I also know it won't make me feel full, so then she basically put them on a plate with other things on it.
Speaker 1:It was literally an eat what you want, add what you need basically, yeah, that's really what it was, and people love that and then that came along later, you and lies and like I started doing videos and that came a little bit later, so that was even before all that. So like really, so yes, I get therapy, all that, let's do that, the mental health stuff, but also just trying to balance everything out can be beneficial, you know at all, especially doing it one step at a time one step at a time. I like that interesting wake up, get yelled at to go to the gym, do your cozy sculpt drink your alpha water drink your?
Speaker 1:oh, yeah, last week we came up with the idea of alpha water. Oh, what do you think? Hope? So I'm thinking we're it's gonna be called, uh, alpha water, because I ain't no beta bitch. What do you think you think that would sell? Yeah, give me 12. Give me 12. I only drink Alpha. We'll put it on a water bottle, the water bottle I want, like spikes on it, so it hurts every time you have to pick it up because you have to show how much of an Alpha you are in order to drink your water.
Speaker 2:I know we're making fun of it, but there are genuinely people out there that would buy that.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, oh oh 100 percent, like I know beta people that go to the Alpha Camp. I don't drink smooth water.
Speaker 2:no-transcript it's good. This is a brand new flavor. Actually the hawaiian shaved ice. They just sent me hawaiian shaved ice hawaiian shaved ice. It has a little coconut vibes in there. I'm a big fan of coconut. I'm not gonna lie it's pretty good alani alani's. It tastes good but I have to say I mean I can literally only drink like maybe one gulp every hour because I shake so bad drinking these things I don't know how people drink a whole one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it's those are like 200 milligrams, yeah, 200 milligrams, is that a lot? 400 is generally the recommended most in a day, but obviously depends on sensitivity and how much it's so dependent on sensitivity like I'm somebody that can have a gram of caffeine and nothing, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, I guess that's fair. I do drink half-caffeine, usually when it comes to coffee, so this might just be a little bit strong. Interesting Am I sensitive to caffeine?
Speaker 1:So like a cup of coffee generally has about 100 milligrams, so that's about two cups of coffee give or take.
Speaker 3:I've had an entire thing of coffee, uh, and two energy drinks today and it's like whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, everybody has a different tolerance it is crazy what I will say. Did it so every time I try something with energy in it or something like that, or coffee it's supposed to give you energy. It actually makes me just feel calmer, a little cozier on the inside, a little sleepy. It's not linked to like, like ADHD or something like that. When you're trying to drink something, that like makes you get hyper.
Speaker 1:It actually slows them down or something I've heard people with ADHD say caffeine affects them in the reverse order but like.
Speaker 2:I don't know like enough to say I don't know the mechanism behind it. Speak on it confidently fair, because yeah, like enough to say I don't know the mechanism behind it.
Speaker 1:Speak on it confidently fair, because yeah like a caffeine works by blocking adenosine in your brain and adenosine is what builds up over the day and makes you feel sleepy. So if it blocks the receptors for adenosine, then you, if you feel like you, have more energy. But your brain can make more receptors for adenosine. So the more caffeine you ingest, the more receptors you have ingest, the more receptors you have, so the more caffeine it takes to cover those receptors exactly and you can resensitize yourself by going off caffeine for like well, it depends on the person a week, two weeks, something like that. But some people build up to these where they're having 800 milligrams, a gram of caffeine per day because they've done this for you know, so long yeah, I couldn't imagine I would be shaking everywhere if I had that much.
Speaker 2:That's insane.
Speaker 3:And for those confused as to why I actually do drink caffeinated stuff, even though it doesn't do anything for me. It's the flavors. No, that's fair. They taste good. A lot of energy drinks are just so much more flavorful than well the sodas I can get around here, maybe if I had access to sodas.
Speaker 1:You got to get yourself some Mountain Dew Code Red Zero. It's so good year. Maybe if I had access to. Yeah, you gotta get yourself some mountain dew code. Red zero is so good and I love that I have it and almost no one else does yeah, mountain dew zero.
Speaker 2:Is that what you're talking about?
Speaker 1:mountain dew.
Speaker 2:Code red zero so there's, you know if you ever have.
Speaker 1:You ever had code red mountain dew code red that's all.
Speaker 2:I've never had mountain dew, let alone a code.
Speaker 1:Well, I'm leaving this podcast right now that was a good, good one, you guys.
Speaker 2:See you later.
Speaker 3:Even on Mountain Dew.
Speaker 2:I mean, obviously I've been around where Mountain Dew was offered and stuff, but I'm a huge. I was a huge Dr Pepper girly, now I'm a Diet Coke girly.
Speaker 1:I've never been into Mountain Dew really, so I've been into original solid but, like you know, there's a bunch of different flavors that mountain dew makes. You know, like obviously dr pepper has like their cherry and whatever, but mountain dew goes, they go ham, they're like baja blast and like all these other different things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and code red was like what you drank when you were like 13 and a gamer and you're like you'd have like 200 grams of sugar just by like chugging code red, but they came out with a zero anyway and only like a couple places in the united states sell it. So whenever I bring it up people are like whoa, whoa, whoa. I don't care what the rest of the video was about. What's up with that code red zero?
Speaker 2:the, the favorite sodas, those will get you, I'm telling you, I I don't know if you saw the dr beber did come out with a coconut, a creamy coconut version.
Speaker 1:I I did see that. They came up with it was a regular one, and then they had a zero version.
Speaker 2:And so I went and I bought the 12 pack of the zero sugar one so I could do a taste test for one of my videos, and it was insanely good. It was so good I got that one and then I've never been able to find them again. If you find yourself a zero sugar coconut or creamy coconut Dr Pepper. Get one from me and enjoy it.
Speaker 1:I haven't had it yet because I love real coconut, like eat a coconut, but coconut flavored things always felt different. It always felt like just off somehow.
Speaker 3:So I'm like I'm timid about buying a 12-pounder Coconut flavored. Things make me think of coconut oil, rather than having coconut.
Speaker 1:That's fair. I can see I can. There's something about it. It makes me it's. You know, there's some some kind of like, like I don't like lavender flavored things because like that's fabric softener, that's not food, you know. And I feel like it's kind of the same thing with how do you feel about cilantro?
Speaker 2:do you have the soap gene?
Speaker 1:I don't have that. People always ask me that I love cilantro. It's great, fantastic, but like there's something about it, like that is that is laundry detergent, right there. I don't want my lavender flavor like lavender flavored tea. Get the fuck out of here. I don't want that shit. Just give me my green tea and I'm happy. So, no, no. And so coconuts kind of somewhere in there. I don't know what it is. I don't know a real coconut's good, coconut flavored things I do not like, but anyway.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're not going to like the Dr Pepper, then Do not try that. It's very coconutty. Yeah, I like it, but if you don't like artificial coconut, you're not going to like that. Yeah, I don't like that. What other things?
Speaker 1:during your weight loss journey, did you find that you like, like you always had, like the Coke Zero or the Dr Pepper Zero, what? What else worked for you? What did you like? A?
Speaker 2:lot of puff snacks like the puff corn, the puff Cheetos.
Speaker 3:I was a big chip Things that are actually puffs and not gels.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what gels are you talking about?
Speaker 1:I'm very curious about this gels that you just said. I don't know what things are you eating. Is that food?
Speaker 3:No, my very first video for the protein reviews. I did the built puff bars.
Speaker 2:And half the video was me complaining that it's a gel, not a puff.
Speaker 1:They're very like gummy.
Speaker 2:Like the built are.
Speaker 1:It takes some getting used to, If you like, Built bars. At first I hated them and then they kind of grew on me. I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's like dark chocolate it's a they try and got. They tried to get the marshmallow texture it seemed like, and then it just ended up being a little more tabby. Yes, exactly not bad, but definitely not a puff, you're right. No, but like, like hot fries I don't know if you know, so like, for example, I love hot cheetos I love hot Cheetos. I love hot Cheetos so much.
Speaker 1:The Flamin' Hot Cheetos, or regular hot Cheetos Like the extra Flamin' Hot, because, okay, there's many, there's hot, there's Flamin' Hot, there's extra Flamin' Hot Boy, listen, I'm a connoisseur here Is there green Flamin' Hot, I'm going. I think you probably like Flamin' Hot.
Speaker 2:I love Flamin' Hot Cheetos, but then you can also get hot fries. It's not the exact same flavor. We're not going to get it twisted, but it's still a nice scratch, rich, spicy chip that you can eat for some less salaries. Those, the puff corns. I was all about that during my weight loss journey.
Speaker 1:Popcorners Are you on the popcorners?
Speaker 2:I've only tried popcorners, maybe once, and don't get mad at me it wasn't memorable.
Speaker 1:I don't mean, I don't really remember. I probably just had like a sea salt.
Speaker 2:Oh see, no salt and vinegar and I love salt and vinegar, I have to say. But okay well, next time you see them if they have the queso one.
Speaker 1:You got to get the queso one, the queso one is the best of all that I've tried so far, from the popcorners.
Speaker 2:Fair enough.
Speaker 1:I will try it.
Speaker 2:But yeah, I like the puffs. I will say it's kind of scary. So, like you guys are actually the first people I'm talking to it about and I don't know why, I'm just kind of going off and talking about it, but I guess we're going to talk about it. I you know, I started doing the weight loss thing. I got a pretty good following and then I ended up gaining some of the weight back. Throughout the I had the weight loss journey, all of that. I gained some of the weight back and now there's like this weird feeling of I want to try and lose weight again, I want to try and go back on the weight loss journey again, but I am so terrified to post about it If I start posting about it all the expectations, everybody's advice.
Speaker 2:Whatever I do, it's going to be wrong.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's always wrong.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you look at when Adele lost weight, oh shit, and like everybody just lost their minds.
Speaker 1:Everyone. Why was everyone so angry?
Speaker 2:I don't know, it was kind of odd actually, just beautiful either way. But yeah, it's a pretty odd feeling because, like I don't know if you guys experience this y'all or do y'all get. Let me ask this do y'all get a lot of comments or criticism on y'all's like physique?
Speaker 3:we get like the opposite, where if we're not buff enough, then we obviously can't be fitness experts oh, what do I get?
Speaker 1:I don't get. Yeah, I mean, I've get that from time to time. Most most of the time, I'm just called a soy boy or something like that. That's typical, but like soy boy you know, it's mostly an insult, insult from like the 90s or late, or like 2000s, where, because like soy is like anti-masculine, yeah, like if you eat soy you become, you grow breasts and become a female. None of this is true, by the way but like no, no, oh yeah and it's also rooted in race xenophobia and racism.
Speaker 1:But basically, yeah, soy. Soy has phytoestrogens which aren't the same as human estrogen, but people like think it does, because there was rat studies in the 90s and early 2000s where they found that it raised estrogen in rats. But then we have human studies now where it does not do that.
Speaker 3:We're not rats.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're not rats. It's weird, but yeah. So soy boy is like an insult for anybody who's not alpha male masculine. If you're not drinking alpha water, you're a soy boy, basically. Aye, aye, aye.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So that's, y'all, do get, y'all get some shit.
Speaker 1:So I mean for sure. But, like you know, for someone who's, you know, if someone is larger and they're trying to lose weight, they're going to get like it's. I just filmed a video today about, you know, like, um, there's a one, a woman trying to lose weight, and people are just like giving shit in the comments and I'm just like you know, it's basically a fuck you kind of video.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know I feel like. So, like right now, a lot I do post, sometimes like some of the junk food I'm eating, or I post a very balanced, I would say, lifestyle on my content. But God forbid. You know what happens if I try and say, hey, I'm kind of trying to embark on this weight loss thing again, and then one day I show that it's a Saturday and I'm eating, like I don't know, a burger or something. The amount of comments that I would get oh, but I thought you were losing weight. Oh, I thought, like I'm going to give you some advice.
Speaker 1:What you some advice. What you do, you feed off the hate. It's important. This is why I have a soul badge.
Speaker 3:You're good at that. You have to feed off the hate.
Speaker 1:I have a whole series of just reading my hate comments. It's more content, so you take those. I will tell you those videos will always do well. You take someone's video and then you just like fucking go in on it and you will have people coming to your defense. The people who aren't shit brains will understand what you're talking about and they will come. So you have to use, you have to. You have to embrace the dark side a little bit and feed off the hate totally fair.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna, I will work on it my advice would have been don't ever say that your goal is weight loss. Just say that you in general are eating in a calorie deficit you're. You want a weekly, not daily, weekly calorie deficit, if you never say the word I'm trying to lose weight it's just turn around and say I thought you were trying to lose weight totally fair maybe that's the way I go about it then I don't want it to be a shock because again, like it's, it's hard.
Speaker 2:But the cozy cardio brand I've also built it into, like this whole self-love, not about weight loss thing, but I'm also human who has gained weight and I well, that's the thing is and that's why I said earlier I don't think weight loss is a bad word and I think, like I'll say, you know I'll speak for myself.
Speaker 2:I can't speak for everybody, but I can speak for me. It is necessary. You know, my knees shouldn't be hurting right now. The way that they're hurting type vibes. So while I understand that self-love and self-care and balance is amazing, there's also a time for kind of looking yourself in the mirror and being like okay, I'm uncomfortable in my body, what am I going to do about this? And I am absolutely terrified to post about it in that whole journey, because obviously I post everything on there. How are you not going to see that I'm like going for more calorie deficit foods, that I'm exercising in different ways that my, that my whole routine is different, right? So maybe, like Rob said, I just don't't say it.
Speaker 3:My spin on it would be exactly that. Don't say weight loss, just say I'm interested in looking at a calorie deficit. I'm I'm focused on trying to uh, rehab my knees, my ankles, etc I.
Speaker 1:I think that's not not bad at all, but I would say, just basically tell what you just said to your audience and be open and honest, because what people love more than anything is honesty, because there's so much fucking nonsense out there People trying to sell you shit because money, and so if you're just honest with people and you're just like, hey, this is what I'm trying to do, you don't have to do this, this is what works for me. And, like you said, there are people that use Cody cars, cozy cardio for weight loss. So I'm sure you could connect with them and you just say, hey, this is what I'm trying to do, and then feed off the hate.
Speaker 1:You take all the people that are being assholes about it and you fucking go in. I'm talking a video every day going, hey, I'm like fuck you and I'm telling you, people will rally around you and you'll get more support than ever. You now have the.
Speaker 3:American strategy and the Canadian strategy. That's basically what this is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm saying you go fucking in, that's what I do. Someone I have. Do you know how many fucking snapshots on my phone I have of just hate comments? For that people have of me, I use them all the time.
Speaker 3:I love the hate.
Speaker 1:I love reading through like fucking soy boy bitch this. I'm like oh perfect, save that. You're trying to ruin people's health, save that. Yep, I've got a whole mess of them. It's perfect.
Speaker 2:It never gets to you, huh.
Speaker 1:I mean, listen, it's free fucking content that rallies my followers around me, and also, I could not be paid to give a literal shit what those people think. And my favorite is when they go well, I'm unfollowing. Oh no, what will I ever do? I didn't know Paul was going to leave if I said this Please come back. Oh no, fucking unfollow me for whatever reason. I don't give a shit. I'm here to help people.
Speaker 3:If you don't want that. Goodbye, I just realized. Okay, so we mini games needs to be. Is it a Liam hate comment or something? Kanye said.
Speaker 1:That would be good. It's something Kanye said, I that I feel Kanye win with somebody else.
Speaker 3:I don't care, but there is definitely something there.
Speaker 1:There's something there Like is it a Liam hate comment or something else? For sure there's something there. We'll workshop that. We'll workshop that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I will keep the mindset. I'll try to adopt the mindset though Next time. I'm seeing a bunch of hate comments and the tears are streaming. I'm just going to remember embrace the hate, no smile, no smile at it.
Speaker 1:I laugh at it. I laugh at, I get a good laugh out of it. I save it. It's free content. People come to my, you know, rally around you because your followers always will. It's no, it's perfect like it. It's this I'm telling you it's a foolproof strategy and at first I get it like you read it like it's. You know getting these hate comments over and over.
Speaker 1:Like it's you know, I'm telling you, it can be discouraging at first, but eventually it just becomes fuel. It's your food that you go nom, nom, nom nom. It's your hot Cheetos that you just take in and you fuel your body and they fuel you for more. I love the hate. I do things that will like I want to. I do things. I'm like people are going to hate this and I'm going to use that. It's going to be perfect.
Speaker 2:I need a little bit of that rubbed off on me. Sheesh, I'm telling you, I just got the hot pink shorts that Rob sent me.
Speaker 1:We got some hot pink shorts. I think, they fit Very tight and I'm going to use them.
Speaker 2:You have a little twinging moment there.
Speaker 1:They're shorty shorts, they're hot pink, they say in moderation, on the butt. And I'm just going to like get up in a video and just like walk off with them, just like on and not even say anything.
Speaker 2:It's going to be beautiful. That's amazing. You'll also need to somehow, if possible, get a little photo shoot going on of y'all both wearing that, and that needs to be the cover for the podcast.
Speaker 1:Are you kidding me? I want to do the splits as much as I can. Oh, fuck it Like. Yeah, man, Feed off the hate. That's the final message from this episode.
Speaker 3:Let the hate fuel you Become a Sith.
Speaker 1:You got to embrace the dark side a little bit On social media. You have to embrace the dark side a little bit on social media. You have to embrace the dark side a little.
Speaker 2:You gotta, it's gotta be there how long have y'all been doing social media like consistently, would y'all say?
Speaker 1:couple years, something like that what year is it?
Speaker 3:24, if we count the time that I took a break.
Speaker 2:Oh, did you take a break?
Speaker 3:I did take two breaks.
Speaker 2:Did you?
Speaker 3:enjoy it. It was like one was um one, one was a year and one was I don't know half a year and one was, I don't know, half a year maybe, and it was like you laying down on the softest, most nice bed.
Speaker 2:And the birds are chirping and the harp is playing.
Speaker 3:The harp is playing, yes no, no once I got fuel from the hate.
Speaker 1:It was over.
Speaker 3:I was like I'm going to multiple videos a day and I want to get as much hate as possible.
Speaker 1:Great for that Facebook. People fucking hate my guts on Instagram.
Speaker 3:Instagram. People fucking hate my guts on instagram.
Speaker 1:Instagram yes facebook and instagram.
Speaker 2:They, they fucking hate me why people just love to hate they are so, oh no, I'm telling instagram are so toxic.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, I'm telling people their bad habits are okay and I'm the reason that america is sick.
Speaker 2:That's, that's the general consensus instagram, I will say, is a little bit rough compared to the others. Anything, I'll post a video on tiktok and it'll get some love, but there's always going to be. I don't know if y'all get this in your comment section.
Speaker 1:Post this on instagram reels, because apparently I'm going to get ripped apart on instagram reels, that's like a thing that they literally do any censoring on on instagram like it's all just open, whereas TikTok censors a lot of their comments.
Speaker 3:Instagram they censor the reels, but they don't censor the comments.
Speaker 1:That's so shitty. Yeah, they don't do any censoring, so you can say whatever the fuck you want on Instagram.
Speaker 3:Whereas TikTok they censor the comments but not the reels.
Speaker 1:They'll censor the videos.
Speaker 3:To an extent They'll censor the most stupid stuff, but they won't censor like like the entire end of tiktok.
Speaker 1:That's like super alt right oh yeah, censor a damn thing. Yeah, no, no, and you can drink your own urine and stuff, it's all fine, oh yeah, but like yeah no, yeah, there's multiple videos but you light a light, a uh french fry on fire. Suddenly there's a problem yeah, so right, there are stupid things where they'll just like censor I've had yeah. So yeah, tiktok's a little bit different, but yeah, instagram, they will fucking come for your throat and I'm like, please do, it's just more content you're literally.
Speaker 2:I've never seen somebody want the hate like that I think you're set apart for the right, like you're.
Speaker 1:You're a hero. He's learned to him. Yeah, it just rallies your fucking followers around you and it's free content and it makes me laugh and it, yeah, it boosts your content so much and it boosts my cut like oh no, you are going to feed the algorithm by telling me something. Please don't do that that's.
Speaker 3:I had one guy on um one of my one of my instagram posts and I the only person I engaged with with on that post, was this guy, and I just kept, you know, baiting him back for more and more posts over and over again. That video had like 10 times more views than any of my other videos.
Speaker 2:They love the drama.
Speaker 3:People like drama too, as soon as it had like 10 times more views, I turned around and I said, hey, dumbass, thanks for the views, yeah exactly, and I pointed that out to him. I pointed out you were the only person I engaged with on this video. Look at how many more views this video has than any other video. Dumbass, I was perfectly fine calling him a dumbass on there.
Speaker 1:Oh, I call people fucking names all the time. Absolutely, yeah, fantastic.
Speaker 2:You really deserve it. You guys are nice guys. I wouldn't say you're just out here calling people dumbasses. That don't deserve it, you know. No, not for no reason, absolutely.
Speaker 1:But like you know for sure, people are fucking stupid and I will inform them as such. And please, if you want to call me fucking stupid, please do the algorithm Give me and give me content. Thank you very much, good day.
