In Moderation
Providing health, nutrition and fitness advice in moderate amounts to help you live your best life.
Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
In Moderation
From Teen Struggles to Fitness Guru: James Cappola on Busting Supplement Myths & Diet Trends
From overweight teen to fitness guru, our special guest James Cappola shares his remarkable journey, peppered with humor and hard-earned wisdom. James opens up about how he turned his struggles with weight into a passion for fitness coaching, using meal planning and cooking as therapeutic tools. Join us as we laugh about the absurdity of outdated diet trends like the blood type diet, all while gaining insight from James's empathetic and educational approach to health and wellness.
Get ready to bust some myths about sports supplements in our spirited chat. We cut through the noise to discuss which supplements are truly beneficial, like protein powder and creatine, while expressing caution towards some pre-workout formulas. With a nod to popular brands and flavors, we stress the importance of personal preference and budget over rigid supplement rules. Our conversation even takes a nostalgic turn as we reminisce about the evolution of supplement regulations and the infamous Jack 3D.
Nutrition controversies take center stage as we dissect societal pressures around healthy eating, especially with the launch of Lunchly by Logan Paul and Mr. Beast. We tackle the irony of health influencers critiquing diet sodas while ignoring larger lifestyle contradictions, and we confront the misinformation rampant in the wellness industry. From the absurd claims proliferated by charismatic influencers to the everyday misconceptions about sugar and processed foods, we aim to foster a more informed and thoughtful discourse on nutrition and wellness.
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Speaker 3:OK, it's, it's all fucked up the light bulb slowly forming in there.
Speaker 1:And I'll tell you I just it's been, it's, it's been a fucking week.
Speaker 3:Oh, welcome to in moderation, where we just slowly gather ideas until something pops, holy shit Like. Welcome to in moderation where we just slowly gather ideas until something pops holy shit like welcome to in moderation.
Speaker 1:We've all had a week like that's what I feel like yeah, that's it, yeah, oh gosh welcome to episode I. I couldn't even fucking tell you like we had episode 50 at some point, so I know it's after that and then that's all I got are we finally up to 69? I don't even know what I had for breakfast. Oh wait, I remember it was a couple spoonfuls of things my wife made my daughter before I had to film and then run out the door. That's right, delicious.
Speaker 2:Oh shit Our our episode.
Speaker 1:Right before this, uh James was, uh me talking about how I'm trying to still eat healthy ish while doing all this other stuff, and it's a fucking mess. Like what do you do? Like I know you're busy, are you just like grabbing shit or like you actually trying to?
Speaker 2:so lunch, lunch has been bear bell and premier protein yeah that's, that's your protein bar or shake. So so the premier protein, pumpkin spice 30 gram-gram, one with a bear bell.
Speaker 1:So if you get a, bit of protein.
Speaker 3:You have to see pumpkin spice ones up here, yep.
Speaker 2:Surprise Dinner. We do takeout twice a week. I cook the other night Breakfast. I always have the same thing. That's pretty good. It's only twice a week.
Speaker 1:So you're cooking five days. What do you cook? You've got to pick something week, so you're doing like you're cooking five days. What do you? What do you cook? What's it like? What do you got to pick? So I'm sure you're picking something that's like easier. What do?
Speaker 2:you chicken, marcella, braised short ribs. I can break your braised sausage.
Speaker 1:Yeah, damn. Ok, that's pretty good, that's better. That's fucking better than I got.
Speaker 2:I was going that's fucking better than I got. I I was gonna have a rap with part of the reason why I improved my relationship with food so much as I really really got into cooking. So I glamorized it, I put on frank sinatra and dean martin. I turned the kitchen into my lab.
Speaker 1:I like that, just have fun yeah that's awesome. Yeah, like okay, what got? Yeah, so when you started getting into cooking, like what kind of helped you was just playing music and stuff like that, other things that kind of got you more interested.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I make a thing out of it like, like, like my dog is just sitting over there and I'm just dancing around the kitchen. I'm cutting up garlic and shallots. I know exactly what I'm gonna make and I clean as I go and it's efficient and I teach my clients how to do it and like it it.
Speaker 3:We need some behind-the-scenes footage of this dancing around the kitchen.
Speaker 1:Sure, get you and Tammy together Same video. Oh, that's funny.
Speaker 3:I love it For those who don't know you, perhaps you should introduce yourself. And Tammy, sure, sure.
Speaker 2:I'm James Coppola. You might know me from my Instagram, james Coppola, or TikTok jcopolafitcoach. One of my employees is Tammy, who looks a lot like me with longer hair. She's a great asset. I run a coaching business with my wife. I've been doing this for over 18 years in person for 15, online for three and I just call out bullshit, just like these two, and I just want to make sure that people know that there's a safe and efficient way to do this without driving yourself nuts, and I try to teach them in a fun and educating way that long, huh eight.
Speaker 1:You said 18 years. Yeah, that's, yeah, that's crazy so what got you? So so like let me ask what got you kind of into fitness and then what made you go, like let me go on, uh, fucking social media, that that sounds fun.
Speaker 2:So, uh, uh, your typical obese kid who got jacked. Um, I had ADHD and just other things about me that I thought that were like shortcomings and stuff, but I was good at getting jacked, I was good at getting strong and I figured, let me just you're saying you're an endomorph.
Speaker 1:Is that because we're doing, body types are real and an absolute thing?
Speaker 2:right, right, right, right, and I ate for my blood type bro, the blood type die is back.
Speaker 1:I'm getting tagged in more videos and I'm like I love it, I love they all just circle around and I'm like great, oh, you're a positive, we'll stop eating chicken because that will kill you. Fucking great, I love.
Speaker 2:Anyway, go ahead and something that I've always had, I think probably because my mother, I had an intrinsic need to help people who needed help. Like I remember, like I was so friend zoned with a lot of girls in like middle school and stuff, but they would like call me when they were like stressed out, right, and I would just oh, I feel that right like I didn't have a shot in hell, but I was there for advice and they're still calling me to this day for the advice.
Speaker 2:And I just always had that part about me. So the empathy, teaching people, having patience with people that part always came easy. I just channeled it into fitness, right Okay. And once I realized that I could combine the two, I just dove headfirst. And then, because I didn't think much of myself, that's how all the eating disorders started and all my self-worth went into my body and what I perceived fitness to be. But thank God, there was something in my brain that knew like, oh, you're a little fucked up, don't apply this to your clients. And I didn't. I think the worst that I did was I told my clients at some point, like not to use coffee creamer, like that was like the most I did.
Speaker 1:And that's kind of like the lightest of the grocery store walkers, like that's kind of like right right, right, right, and I'm so thankful for that.
Speaker 2:And I became the top trainer at my gym in my hometown after I got my degree in exercise science and the ceiling was so low I was like, all right, I got to go to the city and then I went to Crunch and then within a year, I was managing the club that I joined. And then I managed another club on park avenue and then I was a master trainer like a gym manager.
Speaker 1:What do you do?
Speaker 2:you manage a lot of babies, you manage a lot of babies and some good trainers there is. There is one. There's one guy who spoke pretty good english, who just wasn't good, so I fired him and he didn't understand me. He showed up to work that night and I'm like okay, so I had to fire him again.
Speaker 2:Um, and like this is why I see through so many people online, because I see so many people that I fired right, like the master trainers, the jacked ones who just got the job from just being there for X amount of time. They would like take off their shirt. They would text while a client was like needed a spot. They would end a session early so that they can get to their meal prep.
Speaker 1:So what? Okay, then give us, because you've had a lot of experience with it. Then right, so give us the qualities of a good trainer, like when you have a trainer like I like Jim.
Speaker 2:Cause he doesn't have a problem Didn't have a problem with authority. Did not have a problem with authority. I had no problem coming to me and taking instruction. They were humble, even if there were a lot more Jack than me, respected the chain just like I did I wasn't better than anyone, right, um? And they showed up to meetings on time. They showed up to the clients on time.
Speaker 1:They, they, they were dependable and you could see that they actually cared so what about the ones I was gonna say, what about from the, from the client perspective? Like and say if someone you know, someone listening to this, is like I'm looking for a personal trainer.
Speaker 2:Like, if you're really good. If you're really good, you could see the clients just like melt when they're about to like show up, like with their trainer, like, hey, I'm here and they're just getting dressed and they're so happy and they're just waiting at the front desk for their trainer, Right desk for their trainer right and just like that just come from, like personality of the trainer.
Speaker 1:They just enjoy being around them, just talking with them, that sort of thing making the gym enjoyable for them yeah, they don't just say do five sets of this. I'm gonna go text.
Speaker 2:Uh, sheila, and I'll be back right, right, right, but you gotta be texting sheila every 10 minutes, or else she goes on to somebody else we all and the the master training rate at crunch was around like 150 a session or so and you could tell the ones who really like cared, who never really wanted like a bargain on the price and they wanted to make sure that the trainers got paid their full rate, who they like appreciated. But if there was like a piece of shit trainer or something, they're like what's what's like the lowest like rate, like you got if I'm gonna renew again and that was kind of a tell for me that they're not delivering great service interesting because I've never managed a dick, so I don't know like anything about that stuff it sounds terrible, it is, and there's some managers who I hated.
Speaker 2:There's some managers who I hated because what happens is there's level one, two, three, elite and master. For the training levels, when I first joined I was elite, but you don't become master until you're there for three years. And what the managers did because each month you had a quarter to hit they would get their master clients, which again were around 150 uh session, and then behind their back, they would sell 100 sessions at like level three and that would cut their pay in half per session oh, okay so they were
Speaker 2:like, hey, we needed to hit goal, thank you for doing that. And they're like all right. Well, you just like fucked me. And yeah, with, with, with the park avenue. I had a smaller team and there was a lot of master trainers. I said, look, I don't do that shit, you are going to stand by your rate. But if you're going to stand by your rate, you all have to deliver top-notch service. And we actually broke a sales record that's never been beaten. Wow, I mean, granted, that club shut down, but technically that still stands. Don't leave. Leave that part out. What the fuck are you doing? I know, I know I'll cut that part out and editing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we can edit that part out so james, now that's a crazy record. Uh, so then you, you did, you just kind of get, you know, like frustrated with that, or you just like something I just want something new.
Speaker 2:Eventually, I knew that it was just money, money, money. And I'm like uh, screw, screw you guys. Man, I just yes, I know, I know hitting goal is important, I know that we do need to get paid and stuff, but like capitalism, capitalism, baby. That's what it's about it was just so like in all like the managing meetings it was just all about like revenue and stuff and like there's no like success stories or anything like that, and just took every it took all the fun out of it.
Speaker 1:So they have success stories, they just post them. They just like post those on the front to get people in look at this a v shred. Look at all our transformations that we've accomplished we also had to sell.
Speaker 2:Each trainer had to sell 500 a month in supplements and just push bullshit down their throat about aminos and nutrition timing oh yeah, five hundred dollars a month, okay, like, okay, 30 days, that's I.
Speaker 1:That's not true, like I feel like I could do that. I mean that sucks that you know? No, no, you can't, you're like it, just if, if, if your clients believe you and trust you and everything it's easy but then, yeah, you kind of have to take that and be like you know what's really good bcaa's that's better than protein, like I yep, I wouldn't be able to do it. By the way, anyone listening BCAAs, skip those. That's not just EAAs. Bcaas Don't touch them.
Speaker 3:You're here, james right.
Speaker 1:What sports supplements? What's worth it? What's worth it? People fucking always ask Protein, protein, protein powder.
Speaker 2:Creatine monohydrate yeah.
Speaker 1:Magnesium, you think magnesium? Okay, I get that sometimes. Yeah, magnesium, you think Maggie's, okay, I get that sometimes.
Speaker 2:Uh, any form, just get whatever.
Speaker 1:Uh, I always say to people like yeah, yeah. That's usually what I hear.
Speaker 2:And the reason why I take pre. I don't think that pre-workout is a requirement. The reason why I take it is because once I take it, I'm like, well, I guess I'm working out like I can't be sucked into work.
Speaker 1:I can't like are you a beta alanine guy? Are you a beta alanine guy? No, no good, I fucking hate that shit if everybody listening to alanine is the thing that gives you the tingly feeling. It makes everything tingle. Some people like that because it makes them want to move and work out, which I understand, but it makes me feel like there's like worms trying to burrow out of my face.
Speaker 2:No, no. And if you're ever in a situation where you got sidetracked, you forgot that you had an obligation and you took beta alanine, it's the worst.
Speaker 1:Oh fuck that it sucks. What's iterek for? More plates, more dates, calls it the itchy butthole complex, which is because it just gives you an itchy butthole. I'm like, yeah, I don't. So yeah, pre-workout like I think it's fine. You know it really. Just look at the caffeine levels uh, you know because, everybody's different and you know maybe 100 milligrams is fine.
Speaker 1:Some people like closer to 300, which I think is kind of high. But you know that's what they works for them. So just you kind of have to find what works for you in that. Um, any brands that you like, you like unbiasedly or like. That's not, I like that uh, gorilla and legion yeah, legion and what was, and gorilla and uh gorilla. I do like gorilla mode is probably what I use, because when I when I did, it was because it didn't have beta alanine in it. That's what I liked about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and as far as protein, I think Iso 100 is just delicious.
Speaker 1:Okay, iso 100.
Speaker 2:Or May. Chocolate Is that the one that has like.
Speaker 1:Dymatize, yes, dymatize, because they got like fruity pebbles and shit.
Speaker 2:They got a bunch of different flavors that are fun yeah, the dunkin donuts is awful.
Speaker 1:I mean, I don't like that much to begin with, but the protein flavor is awful sometimes I feel like the brand's um collabs get a little out of hand, you know, yes, and they're like but now both of you get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2:Did did you guys use either jack 3d or like ultimate orange back in the day?
Speaker 1:no, I can't say that I have. What are those?
Speaker 2:oh so jack 3d got taken off the market because they found like it's basically legit like meth okay so it worked yes, very much so. And like ultimate orange was just like. I think it was like double the amount of like caffeine.
Speaker 1:That's what's like regulated now oh yeah, because it's like 400 is like the most you're supposed to have in a day and generally they cap around 300 or 350 and some companies are like just take two scoops and it's 600, like oh yeah something like that wouldn't have even made it into canada, because our caffeine limit is lower than your guys's, is it?
Speaker 1:yeah, probably it's fair, honestly doesn't it great that, like the grocery store walkers are always like this is toxic and stuff, and I'm like and then the caffeine. I'm like caffeine is gonna fucking kill you before like any of this other. Yeah, god damn, no, I say that all the time.
Speaker 2:When someone mentions glyphosate, I'm like, yeah, you'll reach a tax limit of caffeine first, but you're not gonna stop drinking coffee.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all right, like yeah, so okay, so those are the supplements, right, anything.
Speaker 2:So you said protein, you know creatine, maybe pre-workout magnesium yeah, that's pretty much what I stick with, and of course, just bars and they're ready to go shakes, but I don't really think I need anything else personally yeah, I mean, you don't really need any of it, but those are the things.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like what's worth it? You know, people always ask me like what's worth?
Speaker 1:it is what works for you and you know, if you like it, like what about this, what about that like, do you like it? Can you afford it? Then, fucking dope, like. I'm not here to tell you, I just can. I just say I find it so. I think it's because people come from these grocery store walkers where they have all these rules about like this is fine, that's not fine, this is fine, this is kind of fine and this might be fine, but not really fine. You know the Bobby's of the world, right, and then so they always have to ask is this okay?
Speaker 1:And then they'll tell them. But then they come to us want it. Then yeah, it's fine. Like are you allergic to it? Then no, it's not fine. Like what do?
Speaker 2:you. I don't. I get these all the time like is this okay? Is that like it's? It's whatever, fucking whatever, god damn. Anyway, that's my rant. Yeah, no, no, it's true. They said it's just hardly any thinking for themselves. So many. I just get the most like random video of someone putting like lemon apple cider vigor. Um apple cider vinegar and like cayenne together and they're like thoughts on this and I'm like stupid, stupid thoughts on this.
Speaker 1:Thoughts on this stupid, stupid, stupid. This is all stupid this is what I want to respond to all of it.
Speaker 1:Oh, I've got one, I just filmed because, oh, you know, I would say rfk has been like blowing up on on tiktok oh yeah with his american foods are poison because the ingredients and I'm like, honestly, like I'm not here to get political, but it's a great political move because on tiktok that shit works. That rhetoric is yeah, absolutely, yeah, right, so like they're making you fat with the chemicals they're putting in your food, vote for me and I'll remove those chemicals. Which ones? Don't worry about it. I'm not citing shit, but you just trust me on this. That's how. That's how it feels yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Like what do they expect the world is going to be like when all the shit is removed?
Speaker 1:our food's going to go bad real fast because all the preservatives are gone it's going to be moldy and people what is what is gonna happen.
Speaker 2:What is gonna happen to like trick-or-treating? What is gonna happen to the movies? What is gonna happen to like?
Speaker 1:get an ice cream with your family movies.
Speaker 3:Everybody's munching on a carrot. You go, yeah, trick-or-treating you have.
Speaker 1:You give out apples, but only certain apples. Okay, it has to be organic and not one of the ones that has more sugar.
Speaker 3:It has to have a nine at the start, not a four oh, fucking halloween's gonna suck ass.
Speaker 2:There would be there would be like. There would be like junk food dealers black market junk food.
Speaker 3:I love it, they have like meeting places.
Speaker 1:They're like dude what's going on down that alley all the snickers, man, like you can't get them anymore. You guys know about the whole. Uh, kinder, surprise. What's going on down that alley?
Speaker 3:All the Snickers, man, like you can't get them anymore, you guys know about the whole Kinder Surprise black market thing going on right Kinder. Surprise, so I don't know if it's still illegal for you guys, but Kinder Surprises were illegal in the US.
Speaker 1:I did hear that. Why, why was that?
Speaker 3:And there was a lady in BC that was actually smuggling them across the border to sell.
Speaker 1:Right right, Because she was making money.
Speaker 3:Yeah, if there's a way to make money. She could do it. She got caught smuggling and she had like tens of thousands of kinder surprises, that many why was it?
Speaker 1:Why was it? Do you remember why it was banned?
Speaker 3:It's because, of the toy inside the US was afraid that children were going to choke of the toy.
Speaker 1:Inside it was the toy like the us was afraid that children were gonna choke on the toy okay, I remember something to do with like a choking hazard or something.
Speaker 1:That's what I remembered. Okay, it was a toy, weird, but yeah, I mean I'll tell you like it's just, it's the. It's so much of this trying to over complicate things and that's just to like sell their products. And so you know, we try like hey, let's calm it down a little bit. And what I find like was we were talking about this like before we even started recording, where you're like okay, so I'm I'm trying to defend people who are like try, really working on themselves, trying to improve their health and their fitness. And what I see a lot when you defend those people is comments of of people saying like okay, james, you're saying that they're just doing it for views, but you're also doing this for views, right?
Speaker 1:I hate that I right and what my thought is like. Okay, anyone who's ever made a video has done it for views at least to an extent right. You don't make a video and hope God. I hope no one sees this. Please let it have zero views.
Speaker 2:Yeah, someone called me out the other day. He's like you're doing this for attention. I'm like you're damn right, I'm doing this for attention. The fuck, do you think? I post on social media for to keep secrets. It's almost like there's a social part to social media yeah, I'll be the first one to tell you I love attention, I wear a fucking wig. I, yeah, I jump around, I eat raw onions because?
Speaker 2:because the internet like come on now, so like, but like anything they could say to just get the upper hand. It just drives me nuts. It really does.
Speaker 1:So the question is like why are you making the video? It's like I'm trying to do this to show someone who's actually trying to work on their health and is improving their health through these means. You don't need to fucking call them a whole bunch of names and say they're doing it all wrong or whatever, like all the typical shit, and so like who's more in the right in that situation. It's like is is the right call to like shame people who are fat like I don't think so, so that I mean they truly feel justified.
Speaker 2:And I've been really concerned about the verbiage like like what they're saying, like superior humans are not fat and stuff. I'm like, oh, we're starting to sound a little. Uh, yeah, it's just, it's not sounding great.
Speaker 1:I mean, you replace fat with like a race you know it's not, it's, you wouldn't say it and it's just like that's an interesting.
Speaker 1:That's an interesting point like is that come? I feel like that ties in a lot with the people who are doing like the ancestor thing as well, like you know, our ancestors used to are. We're so great and we're gonna do, you know, now we have to recreate that into some. I don't know, it's all very. It all combines in in ways and I find it all very strange. I don't know it's.
Speaker 2:It's hard because so much of the time I'm I'm truly willing to have an intellectual dialogue yeah and we could agree to disagree and just talk, but they have made up their mind. They have made up their mind. Yeah, that's it. Food is junk, food is poison.
Speaker 1:There's no f-ands or butts and if I'm kind, I'm promoting obesity I mean true, like if you and if you defend processed food in any way, you're, you're basically promoting unhealthy habits. Um, have you been on? I just I've been on lunchly talk lately. Have you been on? Have you been on lunchly talk? Lunchly is uh, logan, logan pauls and mr beasts.
Speaker 1:Um, uh, answer to lunchables, essentially so you know lunchables right so they made their own lunchables and you, of course you put in prime the drink and you put in mr beasts, chocolate and stuff like that and I've been getting tagged with a bunch of people getting real mad at this stuff Like they're. They're saying like, oh, this food is garbage, I can't believe they're giving this to our kids. You know all that sort of stuff. This has zero nutritional values. You know I'm like, well, it's still food. Like I'm not no one. So I don't think anyone is arguing that like a Lunchable is like a healthy, you know food you should be giving kids all the time. But like, like your parents are busy, you grab, like it's fine that they have a goddamn lunch. I had a lunchables like occasionally as kid. I thought it was awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they didn't taste great but you got to make your own pizza. It was cool. Yep, yep, yep. I had the taco one a lot with whatever meat.
Speaker 3:I'm so glad. I just gave myself the hiccups. You guys talk, I'll be right back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you get out of here.
Speaker 3:Don't want to be hiccuping in the middle of a podcast, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what really drives me nuts. There was just this. There was this woman I called out the other day, who I'm not going to call out again, just because it's a, it's a huge, mega crowd, and I just oh shit, yeah, no, you take one step into that.
Speaker 1:It's fuck, it's yeah, yeah, I get you and I just know what I'm getting into.
Speaker 2:But but they're like you want to know what's wrong with america? My boyfriend and I went into like crumble, one cookie is just many calories and I was just like the serving size. Look at the serving size. And also you went in there. You went into a cookie place and you're bitching about the calories.
Speaker 1:Just don't go in that's so weird to me. It's going to a cookie place and being like whoa. There's lots of fat and sugar. It's a fucking cookie place. What were you expecting? Fucking green juices and shit. I know.
Speaker 2:It's just infuriating Because all the comments are like oh my god, I won't let my kids touch any sugar and stuff like that. And it's just like these people, just yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:and these people just patting themselves on the back, when, when, when.
Speaker 2:We all know that they have like mommy, yeah, yeah, yeah, and they all have like mommy wine night, or their lips are filled with like filler and shit and and like it's like whatever. Whatever helps them sleep at night. That's, that's what it is. It's what makes them feel important. They have important shit to talk about everyone has their vices.
Speaker 1:If it's not, yeah, crumble cookie, it's something else right, like the people that complain about these things, I see them. I had a patient who was like complaining about all our fake foods and and all this, like we should be eating more butter and that classic thing and then he had a pack of marlboros on the table and I was like, okay, so you're so you're worried about the fake foods, but not the cigarettes you're smoking, like you know they have all you have these other habits.
Speaker 2:I I say that to a friend of mine who talks about like seed oils and like stuff like that, and I'm like, but dude, you drink all the time. He's like, yeah, but that's like alcohol though. It's like you get something out of it and stuff the people who eat this get something out of it oh, that's so fucking good.
Speaker 1:They act like a fucking you know piece of cake is gonna spike their insulin, give themselves diabetes and then be on a one-way track to heart disease and they all did it or still do it, and that's what drives me nuts okay, I'm gonna fucking complain now. I'm just gonna complain straight up what it's so fucking annoying to me that these people complain about sugar and all this shit non-stop. And then I'm like okay, fine, here's an alternative, here's a diet soda.
Speaker 1:Oh, my god, like I just told people, to fucking inject their own urine into their body, but apparently that's better, according to some fucking influencers like I know you. You even give people like an alternative and they're like no, you can't have that either. Water, water. Can they flavor their water? No, that's not water, that's juice. They can just have water, that's it, and they'll they better like it. They drink the well water that tastes like shit too. You gotta drink that like what the fuck?
Speaker 2:you can't oh yeah, ah, I'm annoyed they have to be told what to do because they can't think for themselves. So as long as they feel like they're taking the right route in life. Then they feel like they're succeeding. I guess Like, well, this is what you're supposed to do. No nuance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, is that what they've been taught and they just regurgitate it? Is it a way just to sell things, because you know obviously that's going to sell things better? I guess it's probably just a conglomeration of all these different things or whatever in one place. I don't know. I don't know if it's more one thing or another, but like it's just so frustrating because you come to these people and you, like you said, I'm fine having having a conversation like hey, so like you know, can we actually look at what the research says and stuff about like you know, no, absolutely not. It's poison, okay. So I guess not.
Speaker 2:I guess we just won't talk about like oh my god, and they send you, and they send you these studies that are basically written in crayon and I'm like I'm not reading that.
Speaker 1:It's from fucking yahoo what this is a petri dish like this is fucking like. What the like? There was that whole like oh, sucralose damages your dna, where they took a specific type of sucralose that you don't even get in food and they put it directly on cells in a petri dish and they're like it damages dna and all these grocery store walkers were fucking like yes, we got it. I'm like what do you even see?
Speaker 3:that's exactly how my digestive system works isn't it directly on your cells?
Speaker 2:you know, wait, wait. But because anyone ever told you guys when, when, when you talked about dosage, making the poison and like no, but like death from a thousand cuts though I'm like, I've never gotten that one, I was like yeah there's chronic toxicity everyone everyone would have overdosed, if, if you just accumulate it and it doesn't go through your system I know it overflows from everything your body.
Speaker 1:they think it just stays there and grows cancer, like what the fuck? Your body excretes it and then, and then you get at this. You get on fucking detox talk and just everyone's. Then you get on fucking detox talk and just everyone's like, oh, you got to fucking detox your liver and shit like that. Like, oh my god, they think our body is magical and stupid as shit at the same time.
Speaker 2:Like it doesn't have the ability to just like eliminate aspartame, like that's going to build up, I know, but also yeah, yeah, we're all frustrated they just have spokespeople with charisma who say a bit of truth and then just throw bullshit at you.
Speaker 1:That's, that's that's just what they do the charisma parts. They're good at their job they're good at their job.
Speaker 2:I won't say that they're not oh yeah, no, they are.
Speaker 1:Who's your favorite? Who's your favorite? Uh, charismatic grifter. What do you? What do you? Who's your favorite? One, james?
Speaker 2:primal bod has been growing on me as far as like oh, I just wanted to beat you, so bad she's so she's got.
Speaker 1:I like I. I gave her seven bobbies out of ten in my video, like she's pretty good like I'm setting it up, I'm setting up you.
Speaker 3:I think that dave asbury is like really getting up there like, like, like, like.
Speaker 2:I think that like paul saladino and bobby and stuff are kind of taking a backseat to him. He's he's pretty like aggressive gary brekka. I don't really take seriously. I don't take him seriously really you don't.
Speaker 1:I feel like gary brekka is like the top echelon when I see it, because I see so many people taking him seriously, like he goes on a ted talk or whatever I mean he said nothing burns fat more than submerging yourself in cold water.
Speaker 2:I think, right from then like you could have said like you'll, your iq will bounce up 500 points if you put mayonnaise in your eyes. Like, like, like.
Speaker 1:That's like more believable than that oh, I mean it's nonsense, but people take him seriously because he says it with such confidence like he does, he does and he has a whiteboard and he has the whiteboard. Never underestimate the whiteboard. It's, it's, it's a, it's a very powerful tool. So because if I've seen him favorite, my favorite thing from him is he gets up on stage with a whiteboard and he says I'm going to teach you more about blank than every doctor has your entire life in five minutes.
Speaker 2:Here we go, yeah right.
Speaker 1:That is such a magnificent setup. And then you just draw some things and you know, like I don't know, fucking thyroid and uh, salt or what, it doesn't matter. Um, and you know, make sure you lead people to a path that will buy your shit, you know, and that's like it's really good I think I I'm impressed, I'm impressed yeah, and I just um.
Speaker 2:as long as there's people like them there, there's gotta be people like us, and I feel like the number of gullible people are just increasing, unfortunately.
Speaker 1:That's an interesting point. Okay, social media gets more of a reach every day, right, like I feel like we're all more connected to social media. So I think humans are just as I feel like humans are just as gullible as ever, but there's more people on social media and there's more people making this content. So you know, like back in the day day it was tough you had to go to a town and start be like here ye, here ye, like here's my miracle cream put it on your eyes, bucks, yeah stand on, you literally stand on your soapbox, you know, and people were callable, gullible and they bought that stuff.
Speaker 1:But now you just need a phone. So, yeah, I think like we're still the same amount of gullible, it's just, you know, more of a reach on social media. That's my, that's my take on it.
Speaker 2:Yeah but anyway, what about? What about? What about, um, what about the influencers with the and the trainers with the brilliant marketing techniques going like, hey, you fat fucks, you know like, do you like being a fat loser? And just no, and your wife doesn't touch you? You know like, sign up with me, I'll fix you up in like eight weeks?
Speaker 1:it's like who taught you how to market yourself that is for a very specific like group of people. So those people I find they don't get as much of a reach like, they don't get as much as a following, but the people they do find are more willing to pay for their services that's kind of.
Speaker 3:what I hate is that they they catch the people who think that you need to be mean to yourself to succeed. Oh, absolutely, they're not actively looking for it, but like they think that that's the way they have to go.
Speaker 2:And then you have someone in the comments like I. Just once I was finally disgusted with myself. I turned my life around. Yes, now I lock myself in my room and work out 10 hours a day. I'm the happiest I've ever been. You know I'm shredded, shredded girls love me.
Speaker 1:I've got eight lamborghinis.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're all in the room with me I don't think they actually know what happiness is.
Speaker 1:No, oh, but those people, I think, are willing to pay more for for services than kind of like your average person.
Speaker 2:They'll go into debt for a perceived.
Speaker 3:Just to go get slapped in the face. Yes, yes.
Speaker 2:That's, that's insane. I think honestly I might just do that as a side gig for desperate men, and then, when they come, I'll just have some cigars with them and I was just listening to Alpha Camp with them, I'll
Speaker 3:just talk Listen.
Speaker 1:Alpha Camp's where you go to not be a beta bitch. You get hosed down you get beaten, you get yelled at and you pay tens of thousands of dollars to get just ridiculed, essentially In order to be a man and then at the end you get a nice little certificate saying that you're a man.
Speaker 2:But what's so bizarre to me is like you would think that, like the graduation would be a student being like you know what. Fuck you right. It's just like don't talk to me like that. But then they kick you out because they need you broken? Interesting that there's so many videos of them like talking back and then the instructors like kick them out, Like no, no, no, we don't have that here. Yeah, like the whole point. Isn't that what you want?
Speaker 1:Yeah, their world is to be a man, is to be aggressive, and so we should start our own one, and that's how they graduate. No one graduates unless they physically attack us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, just like my nose is all banged up. Black guy's like great job, great job. You bet You're a man.
Speaker 1:Oh fuck, that's so good.
Speaker 2:Erica has your man certificate at the door.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, listen, I want to give people some like real, like some good advice, because we always we talk, we usually rant for like 45 minutes about the bullshit that annoys us?
Speaker 3:are you saying it's not good advice to go to alpha camp? Is alpha camp?
Speaker 1:it's if we always say what do it works for you. And if you want to pay twenty thousand dollars to get ridiculed and you know some underwear, then you do that by all means.
Speaker 3:No shaming, we're not shaming you for your kinks.
Speaker 1:Let's just call it what it is Right, but um, I got. So. This is a question I always ask people. I've asked like every like personal trainer we've had so far. I like this question. It's just like what, um, what do you see amongst the people that you train? What common traits do you see amongst the people you train that make them successful or that are successful, the people that are successful?
Speaker 2:what are traits that you see from them that they all share, I guess? Well, they have to come to the other side. They have to realize that this isn't a means to an end and it's just for health, it's for longevity. It's not for that vacation you want to go on, it's not for an event you're going to, it's it's you should be strong, you should have heart health and endurance, you should be mobile, right? Like maybe it's not great to have McDonald's for every meal, not because it'll make you fat, but because do you feel good after? Right, it's just having the kind of logic switch instead of just the toxicity of like this is poison, this will make you fat and you need to work out so you can look good and stuff. As I take all that shit out, and then they're just excited and it's like oh, this is what getting in shape is. Like.
Speaker 3:I'm like, yes, okay, yeah, speaking like speaking of the longevity. Before we started the episode, we were talking about how we wished our parents had worked out more so that they had more longevity, so that they were less susceptible to falling, so that all these things when you get older my biggest fear when I get older.
Speaker 2:And I just like told my wife this like if I need help to go from like that corner of the room to that corner of the room, just like take me out like I just. I don't care if I'm fat, I don't care if I'm fat, I don't care if I have man boobs, I don't care this or that, just I want to go up and down the stairs, I want to pick up my grandkids up, be able to do daily activities without you know, without help.
Speaker 2:That just being like immobile scares the shit out of me. Yeah, so much more than how I'm going to look. Yeah, so much more than how I'm gonna look. Yeah, and I feel like there's like so many people who are like either so weak or they're like always huffing and puffing. I'm like that's not more of a priority to you to fix that you know, just, I understand that people can't see that, but like you, know right exactly.
Speaker 1:I've seen a lot of people strong who are bigger, but they do like crossfit and shit like that and I'm like I couldn't. Oh yeah, I can pass out, you know, like that's impressive right yeah, yeah do they? And just like what do they think so, for do they all have this? They? They come to that conclusion. They do it mostly for themselves. Do you see? I'm doing it for like their family.
Speaker 2:Like I want to be around for my family. So I have all my client. I have a pretty strict screening process. Back when I was a broke trainer, I just took anyone and everyone and clients who I just despised but it was money right Right. Despised, but it was money right right. Now I don't need everyone and I'm very selective about who I work with.
Speaker 2:I've said no to more people, I've said yes to, and once I see that we vibe and stuff and I could see that they're doing this for the right reasons, I take them on because if they're investing a lot, I want them to have their money's worth and, honestly, if you're a piece of shit, I'm not going to show up for you Right, and I'm not going to take your money if I'm not going to give you my top level service. And then they just come and they know what's up. You have to find time to walk and move. There's no ifs, ands or buts about it. You have to find time to do these two to three uh workouts that I gave you. It's just, it is what it is. You have to find time to get your protein in your fiber and I'll educate you how to do that.
Speaker 2:But, um, your headspace and your schedule isn't really an excuse. We got to find a way to make this work relative to you. I'm not asking for 10,000 steps whatever steps you can do relative to you, whatever protein you can do relative to you but we need a baseline of behavior that we can add on, and I find that once they realize, oh, my limiting beliefs are just limiting beliefs and I do actually have the time to do this and I'm not dependent on the instant results, that's what gets them right, like once they do it for the sake of doing it and not the instant results, then they've never been more consistent in their life because they're not. Their consistency is not dependent on their headspace.
Speaker 1:Finding that balance, I think is tough, between being comforting and saying like, hey, you messed up this, it's OK. But also, if you are going to improve, you do need to do these things. If you don't do them ever, then nothing's going to change. And you're paying me to be a coach, so I'm trying to coach you, I'm trying to help. So finding that balance, I feel like, is really, really difficult.
Speaker 2:Right balance. I feel like it's really really difficult, right, we've had people who put like seven tablespoons of coffee creamer in, not not realizing how many calories. We're like, okay, let's start there. Yeah, we're gonna have to cut that down a bit. And there's a lot of like afterthought things. Right, it's like people who are making cookies because they love cookies and they only have one, but they're not counting the three spoonfuls of cookie dough they had before they had that one.
Speaker 1:Little things can add up, for sure.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I've been there. I've been there you ever. Oh yeah, like, measure out peanut butter, but then there's a bunch on the spoon or it's like, well, this is just free calories, like.
Speaker 1:I keep getting tagged in the trend of everyone seems to be doing it. Where you take a chip, put it on the scale, see that it says zero and go okay, zero calories doesn't weigh anything.
Speaker 1:And then you put the next chip on and just over and over. I'm like I asked people, I've seen those videos. Everyone next chip on and just over and over. I'm like I asked people, I've seen those videos. Everyone's doing it because it's going viral, thank you, uh. Yeah, so you know, like and right, yeah, being supportive and saying like, yeah, you can still have the things you want and everything. Like you.
Speaker 1:I like the way it was a zach cohen, I think he put it where he's like you can have and you can eat anything you want, but you can't eat as much as you want if you're trying to lose weight yeah, yeah right.
Speaker 1:So I call it um restraint, not not restriction yeah, it's, and so we talk about a lot on this podcast like adding, not restricting, and that and so. But adding is sort of a way of limiting yourself, though, because somehow you are going to have to limit calories if you want to lose weight. Like that's the, that is the way to lose weight. I'm not and I'm trying not. People always get upset at me. Like, you know, there's, of course, there's a lot of factors at play. Of course it's. Losing weight is very difficult for many different reasons, but at the end of the day, the laws of thermodynamics. We do need to create a calorie deficit somehow in order to lose weight, and by adding in more nutritious and nutrient-dense foods, more voluminous foods, that can help you limit your calories.
Speaker 2:So it is a form of limiting, but without feeling like you're restricting. Yeah, when people don't believe that a calorie deficit works, I'm like all right. Well, you clearly never wrestled before, I remember. I was just snacking on Dole-like lettuce. What?
Speaker 3:You clearly never scienced before, if you don't believe, a calorie deficit works.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, science, yeah, like I remember when I didn't eat all day, I was starving at a tournament. The next day I had to go from 215 to 189 um, and about about like a week and a half, and just that night I was staying at my friend's house, so I wasn't tempted, and they had like the dull lettuce bags and I was just like like that. I was a pound over at weigh-in. I had to like just like throw on sweats and do like sprints and then I wrestled and I got my ass kicked because I was exhausted, because yeah.
Speaker 1:You're like what else is fun this shit? Yeah, oh yeah. So I mean and that, and that's, I think, one of the reasons we do say like oh yeah, weight loss is great if that's your goal, but also just focusing on just healthier habits and just being more active and being able to do things.
Speaker 2:If you focus on healthier habits and you have a baseline of behavior, of activity, activity of movement, nutrients, stuff like that, it's so much easier to just decrease it a little bit. That's what I've been doing, because at my physical I was like 245 and I was like I wasn't planning on losing weight, but I just feel like from an athletic standpoint I'd like to be more around like 230. And all I've been doing was just cutting cutting like a quarter out of my meals, basically like not even a quarter, just just like a little less. And it's been going exactly like I thought it would.
Speaker 2:So I'm not even really measuring, I'm just kind of eating intuitively I just measure my protein and fiber, and I know that my fat would add up quickly, so I watch my fat content, yeah you're not putting butter in your coffee, no fucking sticks of butter, no, and I'm not afraid of carbs either yeah right, I just yeah.
Speaker 1:The carbs make you fat, that shit.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm so over it, wild wild that the the video of that guy who called out that like girl is like she's getting fat because she's having like potatoes and like stuff like that. Uh, first off, potatoes are like the most like satiating food that that you can have, and like he was like saying that she has like insulin resistance without knowing a thing about her. It's like if she were to go like carnivore then the weight would come off quick. I was like we know that the weight would come off quick if she did carnivore. We know she she doesn't want normal, functional people don't want to do that. Stop saying it. Stop saying it like you're talking about just putting a little flavoring in your drink.
Speaker 1:I feel like it's become more acceptable, though, to say just do keto or just do carnivore. But like what if I told you just eat apples? If she just ate apples, she would lose weight. And those are basically all carbs right she would lose weight if she just ate apples but if I told, people on the internet. If all she did was eat apples, she'd lose weight. People would be like what the fuck are you talking about? That's crazy, but for some reason, these other things. No, that's fucking cool.
Speaker 2:That's fine it's insane to me did. Did you guys see that um interview with um elon musk and um and jordan peterson?
Speaker 1:I saw something, yes, about the carnivore. Just go carnivore, just eat carnivore.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So Elon Musk is like you know, like I have a really bad back. And Peterson is like you should go carnivore. And he's like what? And he's like, yeah, just have beef. And he's like I don't think that that would work. He's like I had a bad shoulder for 40 years. I went carnivore gone. And Elon's like no, I think I need surgery. But, thank you though.
Speaker 3:Medical intervention, no, just beef. What I love, your Jordan Peterson voice was a combination of like Peterson and Dr Evil.
Speaker 1:Dr Evil. A little bit of dr evil, I I. I get that vibe from jordan peterson, though, so I think it works out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I I've had conversations with uh people with eating disorders I'm sure you guys have as well. That did the whole avoiding carbs thing and they just go into extreme brain fog because your brain needs carbs.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's so, but I will say, like people do work differently and I see people on a low carb diet, on keto diet, and they say, subjectively, they feel better, they have less brain fog and all that stuff, and I'm like hey, you're having more protein and fiber.
Speaker 2:You're having a lot of protein and fiber than you ever had.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's why you're losing weight, yeah, yeah, but I will say, like for some people who deal with the blood sugar rises and falls, like I don't mind, like I can just eat like candy and I'm fine, but, like some people, you know, if it's stabilizing it a little bit, you know so.
Speaker 1:But instead of it's, like you know, trying to kill an ant with a flamethrower, like you didn't need that, that's a lot. You could have just added protein and fiber. But when they go into this, you know, like super low carb diet, their blood sugars level out and they subjectively again just feel better and I'm like, hey, you know, if that works for you and you want to do a long-term dope, I think that's great speaking of dope, what do you think of the people who compare sugar to like cocaine and like oh god, it's addictive as cocaine, yeah I think that came from a mouse study, if I recall correctly, where they starved rats and they gave them a choice between sugar and cocaine, and they were hungry as fuck, so they ate sugar.
Speaker 1:I would go back for the sugar too.
Speaker 2:With a mountain of cocaine and sugar, I would kind of feel like shit and be like oh, all right, I think I'm going to have the delicious sugar instead, I'm done with cocaine for right now.
Speaker 1:And yeah it activated the same receptors. But activating the same receptors isn't a measure of how addictive it is, how powerful it is or anything like that. I see that a lot Like have eating. This is the same pathways as doing drugs, I'm like. So is having sex and like other cool shit you like, yeah, like what? Yeah, the fuck, and it doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 3:Uh, yeah, so don't do drugs, no, do sex. Don't do drugs, go do sex and go go maybe not together, but yeah, together, if your partner's okay with you doing it together. If you're into that, you know.
Speaker 1:No judging. Pick something that's like less sticky we don't kick shame here.
Speaker 3:If you want to do Alpha Land, go to Alpha Camp. Whatever, Go do Alpha Camp. If you want to eat your food off a naked woman, go do that.
Speaker 2:That's great, have a cannoli and then have a bump and tell me if you think you feel the same way. It's crazy and it's just like I will have a chocolate bar right now and not want any more chocolate bars. Like it, just yeah.
Speaker 3:Like people are, just like yeah we've mentioned, they make it so that you just want more and more and more. I'm like really yeah, I don't experience that. Go eat a bunch of sugar and see how far you get into it, right yeah, just like a spoonful.
Speaker 1:Now I will say, like what I was going to say, like MSG is my favorite because they're like MSG makes you want to eat more. I'm like because it tastes good.
Speaker 3:you fucking idiot Like oh my God, Food tastes good and you want to eat it.
Speaker 1:It's good Like oh fuck Anyway.
Speaker 2:Now like when I used to have like binging episodes. That was more just like mental and like behavioral as opposed to like physiologically addicted. Right Like Right. I was like now's my chance to pig out before I'm severely deprived again, so I'm gonna eat peanut butter like a psycho oh yeah, that's a game sign that you just threw the peanut, my the peanuts I've never.
Speaker 2:I've never felt more shame than when I was caught like mid binge, either by a friend or like my parents or something. It's so like animalistic god I haven't been in like four years. It was bad, it was really bad it would be at least like 2500 calories in one setting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but then I go five miles that's a big thing. Yeah, oh, have you seen the dude? That's like, you know, um, eating 8 000 calories worth of crumble cookie and then running until I burn 8 000 calories and I'm like that's literally like a bulimia. Like bulimic isn't just throwing it up, it's also, you know, working off the calories.
Speaker 2:So I'd exercise bulimia for eight years. I had it for eight years. Yeah, I'm like oh, let's promote that to people. This is great. I would do it at like one in the morning, yeah.
Speaker 1:It was dark.
Speaker 2:Don't earn food through exercise.
Speaker 1:Don't do that. I highly don't recommend it.
Speaker 2:And what's funny is since then, like I was like really ripped then, but like since now I give myself permission to have whatever I want. A I haven't binged in four years and B I don't eat nearly as much processed shit as I used to near not even close, if anything. My diet is the best it's ever been because I'm not deprived, and I just try to make that clear all the time. But no, yeah, because I've, yeah, diet soda. People think that I just like funnel cinnamon toast crunch every morning you were talking about the primal bod.
Speaker 1:That uh, she as she said that protein bar you eat is no different than a candy bar.
Speaker 2:So you know, that's I know. Except you know 20 grams of protein, you shithead.
Speaker 1:Well, OK, a liver king bar is fine because you can have the liver king. The liver king bar is like my favorite fucking thing ever. This dude that's totally against like anything. That is an ancestral fucking selling liver king bars. What about? What about? Like Paul Saldino?
Speaker 2:being. I love how Paul Saldino goes on record saying that he was surprised that, like liver King, wasn't natural. Oh yeah To think that you have credibility.
Speaker 1:I yeah, he probably does want us to think that, at least to a degree but yeah, and he lived with him, I think for a time like they lived together. But yeah, and he lived with him, I think for a time Like they lived together and like it wasn't like all those vials he had, that was.
Speaker 2:Oh look, I mean like I don't want to if I'm wrong. If I'm wrong then I don't mean it, but like I would love for like his wife and kids to like blink twice if they like one out or something like liver King, like cause it's like whenever they're having like frog balls and shit, it's like I feel like they're like can we just have like McDonald's?
Speaker 1:fries, please. I'd kill for a fucking Alfredo right now.
Speaker 2:Dad, I hate this, dad, I hate this fucking chef lionel, get out of here.
Speaker 1:What is this? I've already eaten a pig anus. I can't eat another one. Yeah, yeah this is your shit.
Speaker 2:This is your shit, not mine this is all one ball.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a bowl, it's. It's got a thousand calories. How many? How much protein is in a bull ball? You think? Is that a bull testicle? Oh shit, I can't. And and to sleep on a wooden mattress too.
Speaker 1:Oh, there's no. No, no, we talked about it before. I have to bring it up again. When he went into the hyperbaric chamber, I lost it. I lost it laughing this dude, that's all about living like our ancestors. To heal a torn bicep or shoulder, he tore something. And he's like I'm not doing surgery. Heel a torn bicep or shoulder, he tore something.
Speaker 2:And he's like I'm not doing surgery, I'm going into my hyperbaric chamber.
Speaker 1:That's in my million dollar house. It's beautiful. Okay, liver King might be my favorite grifter Like that's so good, like he's totally ridiculous, but he's so much he's like the grifter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's so good. I yeah it's so good. I love, I love all of it. Don't forget he drove over there in his tank. The tank is good, I like the tank, but like healing yourself through modern medicine, is is while making processed food that isn't processed. It's just, I love it I know that's. I know that's so good.
Speaker 2:And the supporters will just like look past it. They'll just keep their blinders on.
Speaker 1:I think it's just because, with all these people, eddie Abue is a great example. They're like, oh, he might be on wrong on things, but he's right in that processed food is shit, poison and we need to stop eating it, and like that's all they care about for the most part, so like that's the main thing they care about, so it doesn't really matter what else he says, so I call them um idiots. I think egg eats are is pretty good too, I think.
Speaker 2:I made a video. I made a video of him he was having a dozen eggs like covered in, like melted, like butter, and I made a video saying if an obese person was eating this, it would be an entirely different comment section oh yeah no kidding, yeah, because I mean for people with obesity.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they eat a salad. It's pretty much they're.
Speaker 2:They should just not be eating at all oh, I got furious at a comment I I talked about it today of once. Once we proved that this person does, um, exercise and eat well and everything, and she lost 85 pounds like well then, she shouldn't have had. She lost 85 pounds, well then, she shouldn't have had to lose 85 pounds to begin with. That's what you're mad at, it's like now you're just looking for shit to be mad at. What are you doing Just?
Speaker 1:say good job.
Speaker 2:You psycho.
Speaker 1:I know Why'd you get married in the first place if you were just going to get divorced? Idiot Fucking dumbass.
Speaker 3:Why'd you get?
Speaker 1:married in the first place If you were just going to get divorced idiot, fucking dumbass, right.
Speaker 3:Why'd you get in the car If you were just going to crash it? You're just going to crash, right.
Speaker 1:Right, right, uh, fuck, it's so funny Uh.
Speaker 2:I. It does bring me comfort, though, if you remember that, like most of the people who are this ignorant as always and no name, no face, no profile person, it's hardly ever someone with credibility. So then, that I'm thankful for, because sometimes you got to take yourself out and be like who are you arguing with? Like some guy in basement just pissed off at the world Right but it's, but it's very, very, very easy to get sucked in just just from you being anger at the amount of ignorance, just just the amount of ignorance.
Speaker 1:I feel it and you're just like oh, I just can't let them, I just can't let them go you just want to reach through the screen and throttle them, I wish.
Speaker 2:No, what I wish the most, what I wish the most in a perfect world, if I was like Sick.
Speaker 3:Tammy on.
Speaker 2:Super, super, duper rich. If I could just send like drones to wherever these people are and then just like Truman, show the shit out of them to see them eating processed food and like doing things like that, and just like bathing in seed oil and it's like see, I fucking told you, I told you, all of you are hypocrites Like so I want to catch one of these guys that want to hack some webcams for us.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm. We wouldn't hire you wink wink because we wouldn't want to do that wink wink, that would be, illegal wink, but our email happens to be on our website wink yeah, uh, that would be so like cathartic, if like someone like caught like paul saldino eating in the back of a McDonald's or something Like a TNT thing.
Speaker 1:I think after he films those videos they're like the salt on the McDonald's. French fries has three ingredients Cut, just like just chowing down on it.
Speaker 3:I have to imagine that's what's going on.
Speaker 1:Anything else? James, you wanted to complain about yell at, you know, don't want to give you the floor, I think, make sure there isn't any stupid stone left unturned.
Speaker 2:I I'm trying my best to um. There was someone who I actually had patience patience with the other day because it looked like he was struggling more with his weight and what was right and what was wrong, as opposed to just being a dick, and I gave him patience and I talked to him via IG, the DM and it felt good.
Speaker 2:And to a lot of people out there. If you disagree with what I'm saying, you'd be surprised at how open I am to a dialogue. If you just come to me with respect, a dialogue if you just come to me with respect and right, willing to just dive in while just keeping it a mutual conversation, the second you start talking at me, I'm gone, and I actually love to talk shop like that. I love to talk to people who I might disagree with. If we can just agree to have respect at the end. But yeah, yeah, if you're a piece of shit, I'm gonna treat you like a piece of shit, that's all yeah I, I totally agree I I enjoy talking with people who have different views than I do like because?
Speaker 3:because we brought Brendan on for that.
Speaker 1:We brought Santa Cruz medicinals on here because we're just you know really. Yeah, he was on the podcast, um, and yeah, well, like we honestly like agree on a lot of things. There's things we disagree on, and that's fine I. But as long as I can just like talk with you about it and like understand, as long as I can just like talk with you about it and like understand, like hey, why do you feel this way? Like okay, you know, I, I don't mind what, what, wait?
Speaker 2:so the thing that drives me nuts and I want to know if you agree with this. So like, you know that guy going let's see how much sugar is in this and then he like measures it. I know that guy quite well, how much, what going let's see how much sugar is in this and then he like measures it.
Speaker 1:I know that guy quite well how much what's. Let's see what's in a monster energy drink and then like just pours each little individual thing into a cup right, right.
Speaker 2:So I called um him out the other day because he got like a monster chocolate slice from um cheesecake factory and there's people like he's just you know, a lot of people don't know about like what's in there and I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? I was like who, who is getting that? Thinking that it's like radishes or some shit? And wait, like, am I really that like ignorant? Are there really people that go like oh my God, I didn't know that there was a good question that much sugar, like, like, like. If that's the case, I'm willing to be a little bit more lenient towards those if there's a lot of ignorance.
Speaker 1:But I just there are certain things that I think people don't realize have as many calories, as much sugar. So you know, like your classic drinks, you know like those coffee drinks or whatever they are, you know people might not realize.
Speaker 2:I think that's a good example, Right, Like you know.
Speaker 1:Oh, this double Kappa, blah, blah, blah. I don't fuck, I just get fucking coffee. But for something like cake. Like I think most people would know, cake has a lot of sugar in it.
Speaker 3:I would hope so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the crumble cookie is another example Like, yeah, it's fat and sugar, that's, that's basically all it is.
Speaker 2:You know it's fat sugar Right and also a serving is a quarter of the cookie Right, even though it's very, very hard to have a quarter.
Speaker 1:I will say that one I think people don't know. I think people don't know the serving of crumble cookie is is like a quarter of the cookie. They people have told me like no, the cookie's only 300 calories, not the whole cookie.
Speaker 2:So you know, I think that is one people don't realize so like certain things, like that, I don't mind but like when he says, like when he gets a party size bag of doritos and he's like, let's see how much fat is in this entire bag of Doritos.
Speaker 1:I know yeah, I mean like those ones I don't do too many videos on that sort of stuff, cause I'm like I guess maybe, you know, some people will learn something from it, and it's not like I don't know if what, like it's just kind of like whatever for me.
Speaker 3:That's, that's honestly my kind of hit and miss, yeah, so yeah like I've been trying.
Speaker 2:I really try, before I bitch or yell at someone, I just try to get in a little zen space and, like, put myself in their shoes and it's like, and either I go no, they're just dumb and I'm gonna wreck them, or, all right, I'm going to approach this being like more kind, that's, that's, that's how I kind of deal with it. Or if I know that they have an arterial motive, and I do.
Speaker 1:I've re-recorded videos where I've gone kind of like a little aggressive and I'm like, uh, you know what? Like that was a bit much. Like someone asked like why are? Why are we not telling uh kids, that foods are bad? Like there are bad foods. And I got a little upset and I was like, okay, this person's, I think, trying to actually ask like well, like, and I was like, okay, let me try and be a little bit more now she's still like blocked me and deleted it after that because you know, whatever, but like you know, I tried to be a little bit more understanding.
Speaker 2:Yes, I've definitely taped stuff, watched it and was like oh, that was mean, okay, I'm gonna redo this yeah I got the opposite problem.
Speaker 3:I taped stuff and I'm just too kind and I'm like, oh, I should have just laid it a little more.
Speaker 2:little more, that would be so funny, that would be more like Liam. There's just one video where you just like lose it. It's like you know what bitch Fuck this guy there was.
Speaker 3:I don't remember what it was even, but like yeah, I swore at least three times in it. Oh, wow, I know right, or something like I swore at least three times in it.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, I know right, I think I do remember something I don't remember. But anyway, yeah, I can't help it.
Speaker 2:I can't help it. My mom wants me to stop swearing. I'm like all right, stop smoking. You stop smoking, I'll stop swearing. That sounds like a fair deal.
Speaker 1:I've gotten messages from people like you seem so intelligent. Why do you swear too so much? Because I fucking like it. What do you want?
Speaker 2:I don't know shit it just adds, like just it adds seasoning to what you're saying like was it beth?
Speaker 1:it's beth right like you have to swear. She's the one that swears like so fucking much and I I like the comments are always like, why do you swear? And I feel like she gets it more because she's a woman like she gets more like I swear more, yeah, yeah, if anything.
Speaker 2:I think I think I court, I think I curse more than her and tammy definitely does, but I think that she gets it more because she's a woman I think she.
Speaker 1:I think so because I see it, a lot people are just telling her like fuck off, like whatever don't don't watch, then oh my god. People are like fuck off, like whatever don't watch, then oh my god people are like, like, unfollow, okay cool James. Where can people find you?
Speaker 2:so James underscore Coppola C-A-P-P-O-L-A on Instagram and Jay Coppola Fit Coach on TikTok.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 2:And thank you so much for having me guys. That was great. You know it's always great to vent, so I don't just take it out on all these people. That's what we're here, for that's what half of this podcast is Okay 75%.
Speaker 1:And then we try like okay, get more protein. Hey, we need to start the episode. Be like hey, guys, get more protein, fiber, sleep, exercise, move your steps. Now, let's fucking get into like it's just now.
Speaker 2:We vent about the all the fucking bullshit we see oh, oh wait, oh wait, this, this, this complaint that I got the other day. It's like why do you always like tell people the same thing? About like, about like exercise and steps and um, and protein the fiber is like, because that's what it is. I don't like lie or manipulate. You're gonna hear the same shit because that's what it is if it's then they're constantly grifting that's what the fuck?
Speaker 1:what do you want? Like today? It's these foods that you gotta fucking avoid. This shit, this shit like. No, it's just get your protein, get your fiber, get some goddamn exercise, reduce your stress, vent a little bit, go to therapy. Goddammit, I don't like this. It's just, oh, it's not complicated.
Speaker 3:And don't be your worst.
Speaker 1:And don't be your worst.
