In Moderation
Providing health, nutrition and fitness advice in moderate amounts to help you live your best life.
Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
In Moderation
Matt's Mission: Making The Role of Nutrition in Rehab Known
Unlock the secrets of nutrition and recovery with our guest, Matt, a seasoned physical therapist with a wealth of experience in orthopedics. Discover how his unique journey, including his role as a diplomat in the McKinsey approach and a fellow of the AAOMBT, has shaped his insightful perspective on the critical role of diet in enhancing rehabilitation outcomes. Matt captivates us with stories from his past, including the inspiring case of an elite runner who transformed his performance through plant-based nutrition, and even takes us on a nostalgic trip down memory lane with tales of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and classic Nintendo games.
As our conversation shifts, we serve up practical advice for post-surgery nutrition, emphasizing the importance of sustaining calorie intake and hydration when appetite wanes. From tasty shakes to a classic peanut butter and jelly sandwich, we explore approachable meal options and the advantage of prepping meals ahead of time. Get ready for some fun with a sprinkle of humor as we discuss adding a kick to your meals with hot sauces and chuckle over the ever-evolving landscape of youth slang.
Finally, we crack open some of the common myths surrounding diets and wellness trends, shedding light on the pitfalls of fads like apple cider vinegar and crystal healing. Through entertaining anecdotes, we underline the importance of sticking to the basics of good health: balanced nutrition, adequate sleep, and moderation in dietary habits. Whether it's navigating the complexities of caloric intake or finding joy in a favorite meal, this episode is packed with valuable insights and lots of laughs. Join us for an enriching journey through the world of nutrition and wellness, all while maintaining a healthy sense of humor.
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welcome back to. In moderation, guess who's back, guess who's back from, technically, both of us because, uh, last week, last week, I left liam to record a podcast without me and it just kind of I don't know, you were just kind of chatted we were checking and we were worried that we wanted to make sure you were okay.
Speaker 2:We're like, damn, it would be real bad if we recorded something and then something terrible happened. Like dude, why'd you record without me? I was like I don't know. So we just yeah, I.
Speaker 1:I might have um been a little off my rocker and asleep in bed listen, I had the thing open because on my phone to let it record and I had the phone sitting on the desk beside me. So every once in a while I'd like do the whole hazy, wake up and look over at the phone and be like, oh yeah, people are recording.
Speaker 2:Good night okay, I yeah, I didn't even know what was going on. It's very.
Speaker 1:I think it was alex called me in the middle of it and that woke me up and I was like, oh shit, was I snoring? Can they hear me?
Speaker 2:no, we could not. And then I got super sick. Holy shit, I felt like I get hit like by by a bus. I mean damn, like it was the worst since COVID. I felt just terrible. So listen, we're back, everything's fine and we have another guest. So, hey, matt, why don't you introduce yourself a little bit?
Speaker 3:Well, my name is Matt. I am a physical therapist down here in Texas. I've been a physical therapist for 14 years now.
Speaker 1:I feel like everybody's from Texas.
Speaker 2:It feels like everyone's. A lot of the people we know are from Texas.
Speaker 3:Well, okay, I'll back up. I live in Texas now. I'm from Mississippi, so I don't have a Texan accent, I have a Southern accent.
Speaker 1:I like it. I don't know that I would be able to distinguish the difference.
Speaker 3:Well, like it, I don't know that I would be able to distinguish the difference well, maybe if I heard it I'd distinguish the difference.
Speaker 2:But it'd be dead and so I tell people I speak two, two languages english and bad english. So that checks out. I feel like that's what most americans speak, though, so I feel like we're good yeah and if I get really drunk or anything, I start speaking banjo. It's even crazier banjo like oh, is that like uh dale for whatever not dale, boom hop, boom hour. Yeah, pretty close to that pretty close to that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the worst is even, uh, cajun king of the hill.
Speaker 1:Did you hear that?
Speaker 2:yeah, they're rebooting everything. Of course they are. They bring everything. Hey, the this entire generation is just hey, remember that thing, let's do it again. Except they're like we can't make it happen, never mind can we please stop rebooting teenage mutant ninja turtles I mean, I guess like I would like to just go back to the original.
Speaker 1:I know I'm getting off on a tangent here, but I'd like to go back to the original source material. That was like more adult oriented, like it was dark yeah, the original was really dark yeah, great fucking like on a podcast about like nutrition and exercise.
Speaker 2:You know we need to get back to the source material for teenage mutant ninja turtles.
Speaker 1:Like that has gone too far I don't know, did y'all play the? Nintendo ninja turtle game like oh man, I love the original arcade one.
Speaker 2:Yes, oh yeah love that one oh shit, that's great, um, but anyway, besides, like ninja turtles, matt, what are you? What do you do? What's your background?
Speaker 3:so I work in orthopedics. I've been doing that my again my entire career. I am a diplomat in the McKinsey approach or MDT as whatever it's called. I'm a fellow of the AAOMBT as well. I do have a social media that I'm on. There I'm usually just a goofball, just making funny videos and content and talking as well about physical therapy topics, and there's a lot of things that I am passionate about. I've followed both of you guys for quite a while now and, like I said, rob turned me on to a lot of the information and what caught me was the beard and I said I have now relegated my beard to the second best around because that is truly epic. And, liam, watching your stuff and just the tips and stuff and the nutrition and the foods and stuff like that, like oh, that's really cool. And I said, hey, you know what. This is something nutrition is not really spoken enough about in the rehab world with our patients, because there is so much.
Speaker 2:I never hear anything about it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, rehab world with our patients because there is, so I never hear anything about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah I. I remember um reading an article in a run magazine years ago and it was a guy, he was an elite, um, um runner, uh, I think he was a trail runner and he was talking about, uh, like he grew up in the woods. He's like, oh, you know, I could catch a fish and fry it up or skin a deer, and he goes. But when I went more plant-based, he said I found my running got better. So he started looking at his nutrition with his running. But he also said in the article he goes.
Speaker 3:I was a physical therapist and he said I would take somebody in the hospital room you know had just recovered from surgeries or somebody very, very sick, had to get them up and go walk them and try to get them back to where they were. And he goes, then put them in the bed and they bring this slop and he's like how is this person supposed to get better with eating this food? So that's kind of sparked a little bit. I mean, I am not the best on nutrition, but it's something I do talk to patients with, uh, at times and I do feel like in the rehab world, that we do need to have be able to have that conversation. At least if we can have the conversation, that's good. Maybe not break down exactly what you need, but have but having people to direct to.
Speaker 3:So I do have a dietician and nutritionist that I know and trust that when patients really get into it, it's like hey, I was the introductory thing. Someone told me, if you just have a thimble full of knowledge, that's all you need and you can direct them to the next person. And that's what I do. I direct them over to say, hey, these are additional things that is going to help you even more.
Speaker 1:That's them over to say, hey, these are additional things that is going to help you even more.
Speaker 3:That's exactly how the system should work.
Speaker 2:I just have to say that yeah, and I mean that's tough with hospitals, though, like you brought the hospitals because you know they cook food for how many people, you know, if it's a bigger hospital, you know it's a lot of people. That's they're probably looking at it like okay, they need this many calories and they should probably have carbohydrates, fats and protein and then past that there's probably. I mean it's like there are dietitians that are in the hospital and they do try and work with them, but you know they're limited in what they can do.
Speaker 1:So I think that's you know once you get outside the uh, the perspective of somebody who's autistic, with like really bad food aversion, I basically can't eat in a hospital. Yeah, I'm sure, hospital a lot of.
Speaker 3:I mean that yeah, and and in hospitals that it is like you. You have people with certain restrictions, like you know. They can't eat this, so they can't have this. They can't have certain consistencies and stuff like thick water is a weird thing it is like when they thicken it up with those little packets or whatever.
Speaker 3:That's just like that's just weird, like I've only spent a little time in the hospital, but. But I see like I don't knock on the hospital since because, yeah, you're getting people food. But I know like once I like I work outpatient with orthopedics and I get somebody comes in has a knee replacement and one thing that I start that I do now, like are you eating? And people will say like no, I just don't have an app. I just I said your body is healing, like is that the?
Speaker 2:biggest thing you find with people who have like a surgery or something like that. Maybe they're just not hungry. Afterwards they don't eat as much. Is that like one of the bigger issues you?
Speaker 3:see, yes, so they, they. So it's a couple things, so like they probably don't have an appetite because you know the medications are on medicating.
Speaker 2:You know if they're on an opioid constipation.
Speaker 3:So they're like oh you know, I'm kind of blocked, I don't want to, don't want to eat. The access to it gets hard because if you had a knee replacement and you live alone yeah, are you can you get someone to prepare a meal for you? And so it's hard to get up and go to the kitchen. It's hard to. I can't stand to prepare the meal.
Speaker 3:So it is something to say like make sure that you're getting in a few extra calorie. You know, extra 300 calories. You had a bone cut off and you had this thing hammered. You're going to need that to recover. As you know, we're pushing you doing, getting better. You're going to need, you're going to need that.
Speaker 2:It's funny because you brought that up, rob you recently did a video with our, with our our best friend, bobby, who was going after Ensure. They ensure drinks like the know. Oh yeah, meal replacements. And because, like uh, zach, zach cohen has talked about this before where he's you know, he was very sick, he was in the hospital, he had a lot of surgeries, he just he lost a ton of weight because he just wasn't hungry, wasn't eating and you know, at that point it's it frustrates me because I see a lot of uh, these like grocery store walkers saying like what are you know, after when they're sick and when you have cancer, you should be eating all these super nutritious foods.
Speaker 2:I'm like they don't want to eat fucking shit at that point because they feel horrible so like anything that you can eat just to get because your your body there's a few times your body needs, like, extra calories. Like it's when you're growing as a child, you're going to need some extra calories. You're pregnant or you're sick Like when you're sick, you need extra calories because you're fighting off whatever infections, disease, whatever state and so like whatever works. To get that in. That's kind of like step one. You can do things after that.
Speaker 3:But first let's make sure you know you get the calories you need. If that's an insure shake or whatever awesome that's what somebody told me about using um cannabis marijuana with cancer patients. They said it gives them the munchies yeah, so you. It facilitates them to start eating too, and I was like, oh well, that's really interesting to never even thought about that but they said I have heard that yeah it's like just thinking do you, do you want to meet in funyuns like I mean, do you like?
Speaker 2:it's like what you want them to eat. You want them just to eat at first, like that's the most important thing, and then you know after that, like funyuns are better than nothing, like if you already nothing or that at least if onions would help, would would help more than nothing but yes, of course you want to try and after that, if you can eat, find something more you know, more nutritious, to help you know again.
Speaker 1:Fight off whatever surgery or disease state or whatever happened yeah, and as we get calories into the person, it starts to get their uh, their hunger signals going again and stuff, and that they'll actually start to feel hungry.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, and that's an interesting thing you brought up about like, oh, you know, like when people talk about like you need to be eating these lean meats and fruits and vegetables and stuff like that, I deal with some people that you know live in a food desert like happen to live in an inner city or very rural.
Speaker 3:It's like they don't have the money to go buy that stuff and it's like you know, like again for being from Mississippi, I saw a good number of people that get, you know, have a government assistance so they get meals on wheels and it's just highly processed foods, but it's free to them, it's brought to them. It's like, yeah, really easy for you to say that, very hard for them to go access that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, so we'll say someone has like maybe you know like well, first I guess I should say like in that sort of situation you kind of work with what you have, you know, talk about turning people on to things. Obviously, I love, I love Dollar Tree dinners. Like she's like one of the greatest accounts. She, you know, shops at Dollar Tree and other places but focuses on Dollar Tree and shows you how you can actually make meals for you know, from Dollar Tree, because Dollar Tree has more locations than any like Walmart or you know, broker or any of these other grocery stores.
Speaker 1:We didn't have them in Canada.
Speaker 2:Yeah, dollar General, I think has even more so, like these Dollar General Dollar Tree, it's a lot of times it's what people have access to. So I would highly recommend that. Um, you know looking into that. But say, someone you know has a little bit more access, like after someone has surgery, is there some like general guidelines you give them when you talk to them about nutrition? Like what do you start with? Like what do you tell them?
Speaker 3:First off, it's like give them an after surgery. It's like, are you eating? You know? That just starts the conversation. And luckily, some I do get people that have a support system around them. They have a spouse at home, their system around them, they have a spouse at home, their kids are helping. I was like, okay, good you, you have that. Um, but we talk about you know, make sure that you're getting you're, you know getting calories in and we may just talk about, uh, it's like I know you're probably not hungry. I'm like the medications you know, right after anastasia's getting out of you, you're taking all this stuff. You're just hurting, you just don't feel good. The things like shakes I was like, hey, a shake, yes, get you a couple hundred calories in that you get something in. Make sure that you're getting your water in you know, just keep your water with you.
Speaker 3:Get your water in. It's going to help with your medication absorption too it's going to.
Speaker 2:It's going to help your stomach um so just leave the if you need to. Don't forget that.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, yeah. So I start with just some of those basics on it and, luckily, like, a good number of people kind of understand like, oh, like eating. But I forget a few about like well, what are some things to do? I mean, I feel like peanut butter and jelly sandwich, like that's a simple thing. I was like peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I think peanut butter and jelly sandwich is the greatest thing ever made. You can have it morning, lunch.
Speaker 2:Okay, listen, I'm glad you brought that up because that's an opportunity to bring up my favorite study ever, which was the University of Michigan, which is funny because I worked at Ohio State forever. But University of Michigan looked at 5,800 foods and they tried to calculate how much time they take away or add to your life, essentially from a multitude of different factors. I forget how many factors they looked at, but basically, well, they found the food that took away the most time was a hot dog, which was kind of funny. You know processed meats in general not the greatest thing for us, right? You know a lot of different things going on there, but the food that they found that added the most time was a peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
Speaker 2:At like 33 minutes to your life was a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, mostly driven by the peanuts, because nuts and seeds are just fantastic for our health because of, you know, poly and monounsaturated fats, fiber, they got some protein, they have antioxidants, you know. And peanuts like just cheap and you know you can get them most places. You know a simple sandwich like. You know, peanuts like just cheap and you know you can get them most places. You know a simple sandwich like it's. You know, uh, sandwiches, bread, they get demonized, but like it's quick, it's easy and clearly not terrible for you if you know that's what they're finding.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I can luckily get um some people that come in pre-surgery and so say again, they're going to have a knee replacement, they're going to have a rotator cuff repair. Talk about, like meal prep just make a bunch of stuff though in the freezer. Uh, I said, because you're not going to want to sit around and cook, you like you don't want to cut up stuff, you, you don't, you don't want to think about it you know what I think would be really good in that situation?
Speaker 2:um, I've been seeing, uh, stealth health doing a bunch of these. I've've been meaning to do a review of. One of these is the frozen burritos. Man, I'll tell you, you just get like you know, you could make a ton of a bunch of burritos. You can make everything on a sheet pan, if you want, and then freeze them and in the freezer they'll last, I don't know, a really long time, I probably. I mean, I eat them for a long time and so, yeah, you can just take them out and eat them, and so if you have something that you know, afterwards you're not going to feel super up to it. You know, and you have time, make something like that. They're actually really good. I've frozen them, I've I've thawed them out in the microwave and they're still pretty darn good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a little hot sauce on it, it doesn't hurt nothing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hot sauce on everything, man. I'll tell you when that sriracha went away, I was sad. I was like I loved. I know it's basic, listen, I get it's basic but it was.
Speaker 3:It was a meme and everything for a reason, because it's really good. All right, the green. Since I've been here, texas, I got on the chalula.
Speaker 2:I think that's chalula's man chalula's really good, another like good, like bigger brand but still like really good. And they got different. They got Chipotle, they got other flavors. You get to go to Costco. Go to Costco, it's $9.95, and you get two of the big bottles because otherwise they're kind of expensive. You get the little bottles. I'll go through those quickly, those things. They're good. They, I think, slap, as the kids would say. I don't understand kids' lingo. It don't understand like kids lingo.
Speaker 3:it's always changing. Do you still slap? Still, I think that you slap. Or maybe they use smack I, I got a teenager and I don't. I don't know if I've heard it there. I hear bruh a lot just in the eyes bruh, can, you can?
Speaker 2:you meal prep a little bit brh come on.
Speaker 3:Can you brush your teeth, brah?
Speaker 2:luckily my, my one is she is one and her thing is that's all she does, going around just saying over and over again. But other people it makes their day, so it's funny, it's always cute. But so you know after that, like so after they have surgery, is that just kind of the basic guidelines? Do you give anything else on, just like specific foods or macronutrients? Is there anything that you say there, or is it just you just turn it off?
Speaker 3:direct them after that. So we do. I may get into just really kind of gauging their that, their interest in it, because sometimes I mean they're going to be like, oh, okay yeah, and it's like, okay, I'm not going to sit here and just add it, because you're not listening to me right um, but we get into talking about like make sure you get your protein, and that's a lot of stuff I talk to patients about, like get your protein, especially my, as patients get older um seriously yeah, like after like 50, 60, you know, muscle mass starts to deteriorate, so hard to get my dad to eat a decent amount of protein a lot of them just don't.
Speaker 2:They are eating like what? 30 grams of protein a day, maybe 20 grams of protein a day, just not very much, yeah and and that's what this said like you, the protein has building blocks to repair that tissue.
Speaker 3:I say when you, when you consume the protein and we'll go through the different things, I'm like you know. Most people know you know, meat, chicken, steak OK, burgers, I can have that. I was like you know eggs. If you eggs, you can make hard boiled eggs and you just keep those in a thing in the fridge.
Speaker 2:You pull them out, you can I say like, uh, costco and sam's club, they got the big packs that are already made and some people like to make them themselves, but like I just don't have time for that, so I just get they are in in two individual packs, which I need that because if it's in like a giant package and I open it it's gonna go bad. But the individual packages are two like there's two in a pack and they last like four months. And I need that because I'm the type of person I'll put something in the fridge and it's there for months and I look, I'm like, oh shit, and now it's moldy and gross so like I have something that's good for like five months in the fridge yes, please, I'm getting that and that's perfect, yeah.
Speaker 3:And then, uh, you know protein shakes. I tell people like I, I like people don't know what protein shake. You know protein, whatever. I was like can you see products on here?
Speaker 1:yeah, we don't get whatever, so optimum nutrition protein.
Speaker 3:I have used it since I was in high school like the pre-made shakes or the no just the, just the big tub okay, yeah, yeah and I was like go, I was like costco has like the five pound bag. It's like, if you want, to go there.
Speaker 2:So you get on amazon. I said the flavors are great.
Speaker 3:I've's like if you want to go there, it's like you know on Amazon. I said the flavors are great. I've tried, like almost all the flavors. I said it tastes good. It's not grainy. I said that's just one. I like you can mix it with milk or water. I said it's easy. I said 10 seconds, you've got 30 grams of protein in.
Speaker 2:And if you've got like a little blender, you know, throw a little ice in there, you know, with some milk. I'm telling you that's, you know, chocolate. You can throw some peanut butter powder in there. I'll always do that with shakes, because I like a chocolate, peanut butter thing and peanut butter powder obviously has more protein to it. So it's just, it's so simple you know I get off.
Speaker 1:I get asked a lot like what brand I should be buying, what protein I should buy, whatever tastes good to you and fits your budget, because they're all just dried milk.
Speaker 2:Sam's Club Fairlife 12-packs they're $21 and some change they're under $22. That's the cheapest price I've seen, because otherwise they're like $3.50. For the pre-made ones they're like $3.50 each and I'm like that's a lot for a shake. So, uh, I always get like three of those 12 packs and you know like 60 bucks. You know, whatever like you get all I get a lot of. I'm still drinking them. I have one after the gym. It's just super simple and fair. Life is the best tasting by far. I've tried a bunch of other ones. Honestly, honestly, honestly, walmart, they're like a quaint ones. It's very simple. It's very similar to like the pure protein or premier protein or whatever it is Premier protein.
Speaker 2:It's just a lot cheaper. So, like if you're someone who likes like premier protein, go to Walmart, get like the equate ones and they got different flavors salted caramel, blah, blah, blah. And they got different flavors salted caramel, blah, blah, blah. They're pretty good. They're solid. Put them over ice. You can use them as creamers in your coffee. If you're a coffee drinker or a tea drinker, a lot of people love to put them in their coffees and use that as the creamer. So just an easy way Look for easy ways to get your protein in. In my desk drawer right here, I got the only bean dry, roasted amame.
Speaker 3:So dry roasted amami. So when I'm just sitting here I can just eat these. I just try and make it easy on me. Yeah, and that's what I really try.
Speaker 3:It's like if you put these things there they're going to be easier to to to do. If you get yeah, you got the hard boiled eggs available. If you got canned tuna available, you're going. You're going to do it. If you have to like, well, I gotta go do it and I gotta cook it. Yeah, you probably don't. Um, like I get, I will destroy a costco chicken like the rotisserie chickens.
Speaker 2:Five dollars, five dollars. Losing money by not buying it yes.
Speaker 3:So like we have, I like every week we get two of them and I always said, like, just shred it, leave it in the fridge. You, you know, I want a sandwich. I just want, you know, put a little barbecue sauce. I want a little. I was like it's, it's shredded, it's there, you can, you can get your protein and really you can throw it in a sandwich, you can throw it on a salad, you can just I used it recently for one of the dense bean salads which I like.
Speaker 2:this because I don't have to cook really anything. So you just add, like canned beans and peppers and whatever else you like, you know, in there Corn, like oh it's frozen, perfect, throw it in there. Sauce, and then shredded chicken, boom. I never had to cook a single thing. And now I've got like five meals for the next few days Because, yes, if I'm the person where, if I sit there, I'm already super hungry, I'm like I'm not gonna sit. I hate. I. I just I'm randy, but I hate like spending 45 minutes for one goddamn meal and I eat that I'm done like I spent 45 minutes for that, like I did. I just seems like such a massive waste of time. I'd rather spend that meal prep, make a bunch of meals and then I'm set for a while yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:And and that's what I sometimes as well with patients and I run to this they you kind of listen to stuff like what to do, like, oh, you need to do this. And they're like, well, do I need to like meal prep, like 10 meals and having all that, you know, with all this in it, and I'm like, do you like that? And they may say, well, no, it's a lot. Okay, well, they don't do that, because if you don't like it, you're not going to do it. But it's like, well, what do you like? And they may say, I like steaks or I like burgers or I like what? If you made a bunch of ground beef and you can leave that in in there and you just scoop some out and you and you have that and you can mix it with other things and it's quick and easy, like you could do, and it just it just like let's remove a barrier, let's quit thinking big here, let's go to this little thing and just think about that little little thing.
Speaker 2:That it's just going to make it a little easier for you because Because, once you have something down, it makes it a lot easier to jump to the next thing. I find I'm telling you like lately I've been like, okay, I'm going to try and get like one simple thing done in the morning, and it's usually like, just like a super, I'm going to organize this, I'm going to clean out that, and once I do that, I just feel better and I'm like, okay, I'm fine, I'll do the next thing I need to do. Like it really just it gets the ball rolling. I'm going to make my bed Like with something which I normally don't do. I'm like I'm going to fucking. I'm actually going to make my bed like an adult today, and then I feel more accomplished and I'm willing to go on to do the next thing.
Speaker 2:Do the things one step at ninja, warrior it and jump through a bunch of hoops the um, but, like you said, like the ground beef, like just have like ground beef cooked, perfect, okay. So now you have that, then you can make a, you know, you can make a sandwich, you make whatever. You can just have something ready so that it's easier to jump off from there.
Speaker 3:I really like that so yeah, yeah, it's like you don't have to make these grand, just make a little something for you. Make it easier on yourself.
Speaker 2:Okay. So yeah, nutritious foods, protein, is that about it. And then you turn them over. You transfer them over from there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we start that in a lot of. I mean at least start thinking about it and we may talk about, like you know a little bit about, like some of the carbohydrates and things like, because then people start bringing up diets and stuff.
Speaker 2:They may say what I need to do the keto always like what about keto? What about german fasting? What do I?
Speaker 3:gotta do this and it's like I said, like look um you, you probably may not need that. Uh, it's like, so we may, we may talk, I mean I don't know a ton about the diets and things like that.
Speaker 3:And I tell them it mean I don't know a ton about the diets and things like that. And I tell them I was like I don't know a ton about it, I know a little bit to be dangerous, but it's like no, no, no, no, you don't need to go really into that. It's like you know, start that first step. And you know you start this Kind of you know. Again, like you said, do that first step. Because I see people like if you throw it all out in two days, you already got it all back.
Speaker 2:Oh 100%.
Speaker 3:No, no, no. Just start with this one thing. We'll talk about the fats and the carbohydrates. You're going to need that energy. You are going to need energy to do your exercise, go for a walk, do this or do that. So, yes, getting your carbohydrates in is important and, you know, maybe talk about limiting some of them because it may be just like more in the terms of like an excessive calorie intake. With it Not saying like carbs are bad or anything, but saying like no, you need that.
Speaker 2:But you know, having added sugars and stuff, stuff, we are generally consuming a lot of those. We could, a lot of people could, do with cutting them back a little bit and usually the easiest way is by adding you add more protein into your diet. It's going to displace those added sugars a little bit yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:And it's saying like you're not having like some carbohydrate and like like every single meal is like 90% carbohydrates. Like no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's, that's, that's too much. You don't. You don't need, you need those proteins in there.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:So kind of getting again, getting them, and that's sometimes just kind of sparks it in some people that they may want to know more. And then I, you know, I, I give them my limited amount of knowledge and stuff and then I say, you know, there, I have my, you know, my, recommended, recommended, you know people to listen to, or you know, like, I tell them what you guys channels. I was like, hey, if you're on tiktok history, listening these guys, very straightforward, very practical information that you're going to get, it's really good. It's like if you want to talk to a dietician or nutritionist that we have here locally, I trust this person. They can break it down more and help you with those other things.
Speaker 2:That's the thing right there. Yeah, because, like, if you want to get specific, you need to talk to someone directly who will work with you and your what your needs and your limitations and all of that. Because that's what I have to stick to is just really broad guidelines. And I get people ask me about these specific scenarios and I'm like I that's not me Like I'm telling you how to get more fiber and protein and stuff, sorry, like I'd love to to, but you know just for now, for with at least with me, just you know the basics but yeah, yeah, yeah, and I sometimes run to people that they think it's like they don't understand the basics of it right and that's why I try to really like pull back, because I like I dealt with a guy that he like his, a lot of his I can't remember some of his.
Speaker 3:He was saying his labs were way off or something, and he's like, oh, I think I need to, you know, start taking some, drinking some olive oil. And I'm like dude, I've seen what you eat. You eat like 3 000 calories a day. Like I eat 30, about 3 500 calories, but I work out like cray and I'm a big guy. Like yeah, I said you eat it more than I do. Yours is mainly carbohydrates. Yeah, I don't see you eating protein. Um, you don't sleep enough and you're going to sit there and put what extra 100, 200 calories of fat into you.
Speaker 2:Like no, no, because they saw it on a facebook meme.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah it's like if you started doing some cardio and maybe took a fiber supplement like that's a good start.
Speaker 2:Yeah, could that have been like a little easier? Take some metamucil, start there.
Speaker 3:We'll see at the little bit yeah, you probably feel a little bit, rather than to get like 200 extra calories, like and it wasn't even like, and he was already overweight and it was like like the other one, apple cider vinegar.
Speaker 2:Holy shit, I see that all the time.
Speaker 3:If my mom sees this, she's probably gonna get mad at me, but, good gracious, my mom was on that. I think she's probably still on it. It was just like mom I have this apple cider vinegar. I got a ward warrant on my hand, apple cider vinegar. It's like mom my marriage is not good, apple cider vinegar.
Speaker 2:I know, I know why is it? Apple cider vinegar for everything? Oh, if you have too much inflammation, it'll bring it down. If you don't have enough inflammation, it'll give you that what you need. Apple cider vinegar. Oh, if you don't have enough inflammation, it'll give you that what you need. Apple cider vinegar. Oh, you don't like drinking it? Well, now we have apple cider gummies, you can you can have your apple cider and gummy form. I'm like this is what we need. This is what america needs right now.
Speaker 1:This is how we're gonna get healthy, are you fucking?
Speaker 2:apple cider enemas coming when oh man, I'm sure they're already here. There's way.
Speaker 1:I'd rather go with the yogurt enemas.
Speaker 2:It seems a little more soothing.
Speaker 3:See, that's one thing I tell people. When people get mad about doctors, you know my doctor wanted to do this or whatever. You know they got mad at me. I said you know somebody left out of the office telling the doctor that they were going to put crystals up their rear end, that they charge with the moon. They don't really care what you, just you know that you do like chillax, okay oh, I know.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I'm sure you see it all the time. You know like people just worried about the very minute things and you know the basics, basics could help them. I mean, what do you? I'm kind of curious, like, because you see a lot, I'm sure you see a lot of patients and everything what are like the biggest pitfalls cause? You see a lot, I'm sure you see a lot of patients and everything. What are like the biggest pitfalls that you see? I mean, you said about, like you know, people who don't get enough calories in, maybe they're not eating that sort of thing. Do you see any other things? Time and time again You're like, oh, this again like let's go over that.
Speaker 3:Uh, one big thing I found out is, um, people just don't know how to recognize how much or how little they are consuming, like they will overshoot or they undershoot Right. Like I've worked with some some you know some people that want to weight lift or when they start getting in shape or stuff like that, and it's like, yeah, I'm eating 3000 calories and I'm not gaining any weight. It's like you're 150 pounds, how in the, your stomach is not big. And then you come to find out it's like you're eating a thousand calories, like you're not eating enough.
Speaker 2:Or they're eating 3000 calories one day of the week, yeah, and then the rest of the week they're not.
Speaker 2:I see that so often where someone has, you know, one day they eat either a lot less or a lot more, and then the rest of the week they just kind of go back to like their ways or whatever. And that's what you see a lot with people who you'll see Everybody's like. Oh, I got that skinny friend who eats like so much and they'd never gain any weight. It's like maybe when you're with them you see them eat eight slices of pizza and then when they're off on their own they don't eat very much.
Speaker 2:So like it goes, it doesn't matter it. People get I. I get. I get dms from people like, so, like what if I eat more in this 24-hour period? That doesn't, it's, it's over the course of a week, a month, whatever. It doesn't just like reset every day, like you need to, you know, be consistent with this. So, yes, and also, people, they've done studies where, like dieticians, have not counted their calories correctly, they've been off by 25, 30 and it's they're basically their job, like this is who they went to school for this. And there's, they still don't get it perfect. So, like, for the average person, it makes sense that it's difficult to understand how many calories they're consuming in a day, yeah, or a week, especially I think people, I think of both of them.
Speaker 3:Most people underestimate what they're taking in, they think like oh well, I mean like when people really find out how much a serving of peanut butter is the peanut butter is classic, yeah they're like what?
Speaker 2:oh, I saw a video recently. There was a guy. They were asking people and they were like how many calories do you think is in this entire pizza? And it was like one of those like papa john's big pizzas and he's like I don't know like 500 calories and I'm like in maybe two slices, like maybe you know the whole pizza, is like two thousand three thousand calories. Like yeah, we just it's. It's hard to so. Then you know, we say like hey, counting your calories for a couple weeks and tracking everything can be really useful. I know some people struggle with that and it is difficult, but it can just be a wealth of knowledge to realize how many calories are in the things, because we eat the same things, you know, typically every day, like similar things at least yeah, yeah, and like that's another thing.
Speaker 3:Like again, I blame liam for turning me on to this, but um, I have to go over um drinks uh, because people.
Speaker 2:Zero is what he's holding up. Just yeah, because watching the dead gum tiktoks.
Speaker 3:I was like I gotta try this. And now?
Speaker 2:I'm buying it, by the case, I need to buy stock in it.
Speaker 3:But um, like again being here in the south, we do like a lot of like sweet tea, sweet so somebody like yeah and it's sometimes it's hard to gauge because it's like well, I got my cup. How many ounces in a cup, I don't know. Yeah, and so it's, you're in. You know you got to use the real sugar in it and it's. It's like how many calories did you consume by just?
Speaker 1:that.
Speaker 3:And sometimes with that, with people, I tell them like, look, how many do you drink a day? Two, can you cut it to one? Then we know you did half, you did whatever it was. You just did half and you can, you know, do water or pour, you know, do a half and half of of. You know sweet tea and unsweet tea, or I was like, if you just take away one and and see what happens when you take away one, because I mean one, you know can of coke is 150 calories and is roughly 180.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was like if you drink 70, depending on the size, yeah, so if you drink two, just take away one and it's like that's what happens to a lot of people. They drink like four a day and people say you have to cut that out completely and they're just not going to do that. So can you do two? Can you do three? Yeah, I mean just like just one, two less.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I I've even talked to some um, so funny uh physician I I work near was was saying like, oh, I was just chatting with this patient about weight loss and this and that, oh and, and I'm sorry, I kind of get it Like moderation is something else talking with people about. But this physician said I was just talking to this person about losing weight and all that, and then I happened to go across the street and get something to eat and I got a slice of pizza and who's standing next to me? But that patient. And now I'm like, oh my gosh, I'm embarrassed. I said that's not a bad thing.
Speaker 3:You should, you know, use that as an example to say you can have this slice of pizza, but remember, this is 300 calories in this pizza. That's 300 calories. That it's like, okay, I cannot have a sweet after dessert. I again have to remove that Coke. So you just, okay, you can, can have those things, but you have to see like maybe you don't have two, you don't, you don't have that you don't order the entire pizza, you just get a couple slices we've talked about that often where it's tough for people, because if you just eat the pizza, you could eat three, four slices and you're you know you're good.
Speaker 2:But if you have the pizza with something else as I talked about that many times that's really the best way to go. I get, you know, a bagged salad, a pre-made one. I have that with the pizza. Then I can eat one or two slices and feel full, instead of four or five. And the cinnasticks, because I because, man, when you get a pizza, they're like, hey, do you want bread on your pizza? You get a bread pizza and then you're gonna, you want some, some, some cinnamon sticks and then, and then you want a bottle of bread with that as well, like every. It's just like so much. You know, a lava cake, chocolate lava cake. Why does a pizza place have a chocolate love cake? I don't know, but they got it and you can order it and so it's just, it becomes excessive yes, yes, so that is something I try to to, to like, hey, here's some little things to do.
Speaker 3:Or like with drinks sparkling water. Yeah, I said you know, because people are like I can't drink water. I said sparkling water, it kind of satisfies you. I said, yes, it does taste like when your foot fell asleep, but you know it'll satisfy yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It tastes like TV static. Yeah, it tastes like tv static.
Speaker 3:It's like I said it'll, it'll give you that like little hold over till you get your meal and then, if you're like us, the artificial sweeteners, of course, those flavoring packets, the diet soda.
Speaker 2:All of that is great. You know just. You know just the liquid calories and drinks from, like, the added sugars. It's just easy to overconsume. If you can switch over to like a protein shake or something like that, it's still sweet. Bring it back to that. You know you're getting protein just instead of. So, two Cokes I have a Coke and then I have one protein shake. Come on, you can make that switch. That's not so bad.
Speaker 1:You know, just doing something like that, so yeah I buy that high protein milk um dairyland for us also. Fair life dairyland dairyland.
Speaker 2:How much is it? Eight dollars. Uh, I'm gonna say a gallon, because we work in freedom units.
Speaker 1:God damn fucking whatever you lead, it would actually be half gallon. There are two types of countries.
Speaker 3:There are two types of countries ones that use the metric system and ones have been to the moon yes, exactly that's my favorite one, that's my favorite, and people always bring up oh, what does nasa use?
Speaker 2:they use a metric. I'm like yeah, who funds nasa? Freedom funds?
Speaker 3:nasa.
Speaker 2:That's what I yeah, that's what I thought, yeah, here with that shit, I always love that one. Oh, I love the, the fucking imperials but I will.
Speaker 1:I will come back at you with chris hadfield, best commander of the iss I, I don't I know neil armstrong chris hadfield was the, the guy that made all the like music videos and all the space videos while he was commander of the iss. Oh, that's yeah. He basically brought space to earth like he was taking calls from kids and demonstrating how how things work in no gravity okay, I gotcha.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. Is that when they found out, the earth was flat, or is that later?
Speaker 3:that was later. That was later. Okay, just making sure, I just want to wait.
Speaker 2:Can I ask a question? You think in the flat earthers? Do they think other planets are circles, or is it just is? Is it just?
Speaker 1:I think they think that other planets are spherical and it's just earth that's flat yeah, I think so, which is fucking wild and I love it so much.
Speaker 2:I've talked about it before on this podcast. I love flat earthers, they're my. I love them so much.
Speaker 3:I always love that's one thing with patient. If a patient comes in with a conspiracy theory, I am so entertained and I just so great, isn't it?
Speaker 2:oh, I love it when they're like yeah, you think the egyptian tombs were made for mummies. No, they were space lasers. Obviously they were power plants and I'm like, please tell me more. This is amazing.
Speaker 3:Yes, I will subscribe to your newsletter. Please tell me more.
Speaker 2:Oh shit. And I like it in other fields because in nutrition I've seen it so much it just like annoys the shit out of me. I've just kind of like I've seen it so much. So I love the like you know, the geography ones are, like you know, flat earths, that sort of stuff. Send all that shit to me I. I eat it up. It's fun. Yeah, I get a lot with. I mean, in health care there's always you know, vaccines or you know the bad stuff. Oh yeah, this causes autism. Yeah, there's a microchip by billy gates and he's monitoring you or whatever. Like okay, that's no, give me. I want ancient space lasers, fucking, I love history channel was just like fuck it. What if we did nothing on history? And it's all aliens now. I love that. Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 2:I mean I can learn history elsewhere, where it actually is history and makes sense. You can do all the ancient aliens and have just the quacks on and just talk about whatever weird alien thing you want. That's great Good for you, History Channel.
Speaker 2:Just fully embrace that, just fully embrace the weird yeah yeah, that's what tlc did, or you know the learning channel. They were like fuck it, what if we did? You know, uh, what are all those other ones you know like 18 and pregnant, or honey boo boo, like all that stuff oh yeah, so funny.
Speaker 3:my old choir director back home his son was applying to med school worked in a health center and the Duggars were patients there and they said when they pull up, it is a, it goes, it is a just a herd of people and he goes, there's not one that's sick.
Speaker 3:They said it would be like half of them that would be sick at once because there's so many, so many, so close. But they said it was just a spectacle. This bus pulls out and it's like all these people just come out. They said it goes. They would just pile out to to come out we are weird fucking creatures.
Speaker 2:I'll tell you that right now. Oh.
Speaker 3:There's nothing. That's what I like Documentaries and stuff. I was like you cannot write stuff that is any crazier than human beings. I'll tell you this story. I had somebody and this is kind of a strange one. I had a lady several years ago and she was an old hippie.
Speaker 3:She admitted, she said I'm a hippie and somebody said the hippies kind of had it right when you're young you go out and have party, a party and hang out, then you get a real job for the rest of your life. But she, she said she told me she goes. I believe in all that woo, woo stuff.
Speaker 2:I'm like okay, that's all right off the bat. You're already.
Speaker 3:She just set the tone super sweet to talk to, super nice. Well, she didn't show up one day and she didn't show. She was a no call, no show, like that's weird. I hope she's okay. And she didn't call us back and and then she came in. She's like oh, I'm so sorry. Just last week my back was hurting me really bad and I was like well, that's kind of what you're coming for, so why don't you come in? She goes well. So I called my psychic.
Speaker 2:I'm like, okay, now, this just gets so much better.
Speaker 3:And he said he's talking to me, he goes, you have an infection in your spine, okay, yes, okay, you have to drink this colloidal silver mixture.
Speaker 1:Yes, I love colloidal silver.
Speaker 2:Let's go.
Speaker 3:So she goes. I drank it and I just vomited all this black stuff.
Speaker 2:Of course you did, because she probably drank a lot of it too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I'm like you poisoned yourself, and then she goes. I called him back and it too. Yeah, and I'm like you poisoned yourself, and then she goes. I called him back and he goes.
Speaker 2:That's good. That's the infection coming out.
Speaker 3:Yes, it's leaving your body yes, now you got to drink this peppermint, and she's gonna make it.
Speaker 2:I'm like, and that's to calm down the stomach, right, because like you just threw up and you're not feeling good, right, right, it makes total sense.
Speaker 3:I'm up with it I'm like you had this stuff in your house and she just like, oh yeah, and it just relieved me and I just got better. I'm like, why did I ask? Um, but I'll just document, I'm glad you're here today. We'll just, we'll just keep going today. So it's all right, you're here, you're good.
Speaker 2:So I fucking love any conversation that starts off with. While I talk to talk to my psychic, I'm glued to my seat. I'm like, yes, please, what do we got?
Speaker 3:I almost messed with her a little too much. She was like I've been listening to healing sounds on YouTube, of course, and I almost said what kind of speakers do you have? Because you need to have these optimal, but I'm thinking, no, this lady would be going out and spending five thousand dollars on the speaker.
Speaker 2:Oh, you could have sold her the speakers you could have said I have them.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's so good I'm, I'm not, I'm not gonna do that, I'm gonna special crystal infused speakers.
Speaker 2:Oh yes, I did uh, yeah, I was just gonna say there was one video I that was one of my favorites where a guy was like all the bells were destroyed after world war ii because they healed the healing the healing frequency of the bell. Like if you sit in a bell and ring it like first off your eardrums would explode, but like if you send a bell and ring you'll begin to heal. I'm like I love that so much oh yeah, that's like correlation and causation. It's like you know, the bells got destroyed.
Speaker 1:No, they're just old fucking bells, but like it's got it's not like they got melted down for ammo for world war ii or anything there's a lot.
Speaker 2:There's so many things going on this conspiracy theory. I'm eating it up. I'm loving all of this.
Speaker 3:I'm like fuck, yes I will say, if you're ever in memphis the memphis drum shop, um, so that's why I'm from near memphis they have an upstairs room that has gongs in it, like 80 inch gongs, and you can do vibration therapy and I don't think it's like yeah, but they're like you could just they just like threw some rugs on the ground. They're like you come up here, we're just banging on these things for you and I mean it's I kind of want to do it, just to like sit here and see these things and just feel it. But I was like, oh, I'm like, and the guy up there, the owner, is like he's really cool, he has a ton of like old collectible music stuff and but I'm like dang, I just kind of want to go up there and just feel it and experience it, just to just to say you know I kind of want to set up that shop because that would be fun.
Speaker 1:Just be like, bring people up and just start banging on and going because hold on hold on like the start, like okay, startup costs a little bit.
Speaker 2:You got to get a bunch of bells Like that was probably not unwieldy, expensive, tough to move, you know like all of that stuff. But once you set up, like what's the maintenance on that? Next to nothing. You need a big hammer to hit them and that's pretty much it. It's actually to a gong.
Speaker 3:You have to go around it, it's you just, you just kind of tap it and it it kind of like warms it up and to get the vibration going, it's a very specific way that you have to do it and they just kind of just like, like it just brings the sound out of it so.
Speaker 2:but I mean I mean much anything you know with that was the healing qualities and stuff. Like you know, I like this. We're jotting that down. With Alpha Water, we've talked about it before.
Speaker 1:We're going to start with.
Speaker 2:Alpha Water, and the slogan's going to be I ain't no beta bitch. And so we're going to have a bunch of claims. We're going to get Chemthog to make a bunch of claims about it and, like triag, yield an oil trick, trek triagonal water. I don't remember like hexagonal water or whatever it was, I don't even remember. He'll do all the fancy word sciencey stuff and then we'll we'll sell the water that's like did y'all watch the righteous gemstones? I don't think so. Oh my gosh, my gosh.
Speaker 3:So it's on HBO. It's about a televangelist, and one of the guys is David Goggins.
Speaker 2:Not David. Yes, I love David Goggins.
Speaker 3:Walter Goggins. He was oh gosh, but he's got the white hair and the big glasses. And he's selling this holy water and his name is Baby Billy. He's like and this, this will save you from everything. Now again, I grew up in the south, I grew up around these people and it's like, and I'm like no money off of a zilch because I gotta pay all my researchers, that's, that's it. And I'm like I watch that and I'm like I know like three of those guys, so it's the I love this.
Speaker 2:The just the full-on snake oil salesman is is fun. That's such a fun one. Oh, that's great. Um, but I guess, besides, like conspiracy theories and all that stuff, is there any like you know, actual advice, general advice you give to people after a surgery, do you know? Not even just nutrition, just in general.
Speaker 1:We've covered, like we've covered all the energy in. Yes, do you have any advice for people such as do your exercise?
Speaker 2:yeah, just I want you to just give us like because it's this right. You said it's the simple shit that, like you know, is the most of the time that works for people and that's what they need. So, so, just like you know, just like what, this is the stuff I generally tell people after.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Often, when it comes to rehab in general, I tell them I'm like more isn't always better. I like it. That's one thing. We kind of sit down because you may run into people you know like y'all go to the gym and you may know somebody in the gym they hurt their back and it's like okay well, I gotta stretch more, I gotta do more yoga and I gotta do more core stuff.
Speaker 3:I gotta do more. And I was like, look, you're doing more and if more got you better, more would have got you better. Yeah, I was like sometimes it's like let's pull back and let's evaluate. Sometimes it may just be adjusting your workload, sometimes it's looking at your stress. Maybe we just do some very specific thing to help you, just to like, really that's it.
Speaker 3:You know, I tell people to like have somebody that you trust and they can go work with. So that's what I tell my patients Like I am your therapist, I am your PT, I am here to help you answer any questions and if I can't figure it out, I'm going to help you find the person that can. And it's I said it's good that you have like a team and people that you know I can go to and I can communicate. And that was what I feel like as a therapist. Like we have, we spend so much time with patients that we're in a very, very good spot to be someone who directs people at times.
Speaker 3:So if it's, you know, like I'm working with you know, ms Johnson for weeks and she's, like you know my husband's been having some, you know. You know he needs to find a new cardiologist. Well, I happen to know the cardiologist to go to. You know, you know it's like, or I need to know that. So we have these things that we can, you know, send people off or like like a trainer, like you may work with us for a certain point and reach a point where that you're like okay, I want to go back to doing my normal things, but you know it's hard with insurance with justifying you know functional things to work on.
Speaker 3:It's like, hey, I got this trainer over here, they know me, I trust them that they're going to take care of you. You know, go over this. Oh, I got a nutritionist, okay, that's what you go for. I know, uh, mental health counselors and all that. Just to direct you over to here you know you need, so that we have these. We can just.
Speaker 2:You know, I don't have to do everything right to have a team, but I have a.
Speaker 3:I have a you know, a knowledge of who to send to and who to direct you to, and that I trust them, they trust me and and we're, overall, looking for your, your um, um, looking out for you, really we're looking at your best interest yeah, we your best, we want, like we want, to do these things rather than you're trying to. You know, I read this thing from this guy, but then this I kind of contradict and this said over here, but this person said it's like no, no, no, here's really what it is on it, so we're going to look at it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Just keep it simple. Have a supportive team. You know the boring stuff and then you know, go about, read about like space lasers and stuff when you yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Then if you want to come in with a crystal infusion and whatever body part that you uh had surgery on, yeah, just what crystals would you recommend, matt, for after surgery? Like, are you, uh, you know, like what kind of uh gemstones would you recommend? Are we talking topaz? They have to go expensive with that, or they can do. They have to go jade, or can they knock it down a little bit to more like a sapphire or something like that oh, we'll go quartz.
Speaker 3:I guess that's a word. I've heard that one time.
Speaker 2:Real cheap. Yes, this is why you listen to us people for the affordable options like quartz on your surgery sites, I mean.
Speaker 3:I still remember the magnet stuff, like that was. I'm waiting. I think that's going to be one note that's coming back at some point. The healing magnets and healing magnets.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember the wristbands that were like supposed to give you, like you know, your balance and everything like that.
Speaker 3:So one of my professors from PT school, you remember that you ever watch the show the doctors.
Speaker 2:I've heard. I've heard. I know the show.
Speaker 3:So because I did PT school in California and she got called up to do some she was a Parkinson's researcher and spent a lot of time with that, and so she had an area that she did a lot of research in and had those bracelets on and had people do balance stuff with and without them, and it was no different. So and I, lo and behold, behold happened like walked by a tv screen and saw her. I was like, oh, it's doctors.
Speaker 2:and it was, yeah, it was to see like they paid lebron james a ton of money to wear it or whatever you know athlete, like that's that stuff. I love that. It's like this rock put it around your wrist, wear it, it's gonna. It's gonna do all these things. I love how, yeah, we always end up going back to that because it's like the stuff that you need to do is so boring. It's just like, oh, you need your protein and exercise, but what about the crystals that make you better at everything? That's just more fun, and that's why those people make more money.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and people think it's this and I tell it, this is what I tell people. If the shortcut worked, it would be called the way I said. Really, think about it. If you're in danger and your friends are coming to save you, do you want them to go? Oh, I know a shortcut, because it's like wait a minute, you were being an asshole and going the long way. Like wait a minute, you were going the long way. First off, are you nothing?
Speaker 2:it's like if there was a short, we take that because, again, our health care costs are just crazy.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, and like the burden that we're under, to like everything to do. It's like if I could give you this crystal and it healed it, yeah, it would. We would bottom out the cost.
Speaker 3:Give it to you, you'd be healthy so much, but then you wouldn't be paid by big pharma to keep everyone sick, which is what I'm always hearing that I have been on that one here lately, but like, this is why I'm like okay, when big pharma makes the payment to you, it's like is it like a lump sum? Is it every other week? Like, do you have to pay taxes on it? Like, what's, what's the tax rate? Oh, you're asking me personally. Okay, so when I get paid by big pharma, it like a lump sum, is it every other week? Like, do you have to pay taxes on it? Like what's, what's the tax rate? Oh, you're asking me personally okay so when I get paid by big pharma.
Speaker 2:It is a bi-weekly sort of thing. I do have to pay taxes on it, but it's a substantial amount of money. As long as I keep telling people the oreos and uh ben and cherries, then big pharma just keeps. Keep sending me money. It's a great fucking system, healthcare for not paying me out.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly, big farm is the way to go sell your salt. Big farm, oh man, I love how recently like dr is he was talking about it. You know how like um, alternative medicines and like the wellness industry it. You know how like um uh, alternative medicines and like the wellness industry makes you know just as much, if not more than I think valued at one trillion or something like that it's close to it. I remember it was like close, it was in the hundreds of billions.
Speaker 3:I was like that's just fucking crazy yeah, that's because so many people are searching for the simple solution yeah, and and I tell, whenever people unfortunately see that stuff and it's somebody coming on social media like big pharma, done, wanted, I was like okay, look, one big pharma could pay you off really easy, or two, they would crush you. Okay, like they're, because you know there's been other, like microsoft crushed a guy whose name was Mike Rowe and he had a website called Mike Rowe Soft and Microsoft destroyed this guy's reputation.
Speaker 3:It was a big thing. It's like a billion-dollar company and you're some peon that does nothing. They could beep and you're gone Like come on Seriously.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what happened to. Dr Sebi, of course yes, oh goodness, and I'm sure many others oh yeah, but anyway yeah is there anything else you want to hit on before we go, mike? Is there anything else you want to tell people?
Speaker 3:let them know you know um anything we didn't touch on no, well, I mean, there is a component to chronic pain with with, uh, some with diet, um, so it's not just like post-operative patients, but patients that may have be coming in with a chronic pain. So, again, like I've been dealing with back pain for a long time, or this chronic pain, um, that's another area we may start talking to. But the same thing about you've got like let's look at changing every, you know we have to look at that is a huge picture. It's a bigger, bigger picture and, um, I know I'm like I can't treat all of it. I may just get you up and moving, but, um, you know, I may ask, you know, how are you sleeping? You know, I may ask you know, how are you sleeping? You know. So we talk about sleep, but you know, uh, how are you? How's your diet, how?
Speaker 2:how is your eating?
Speaker 3:And, um, you know, it may say like they may you know, cause I may feel, I just don't feel like I feel good and I'm tired, like, okay, we possibly changing it. It's like are you, um, are you talking to anybody? Is there any way we can get you a therapist to talk to? And just kind of looking at us like hey, there's all these things and I may talk to them about the things of exercise and moving. That's the big thing. It's like, yeah, you got this chronic pain. You're going to have some discomfort as you start moving and start doing this. We're not hurting anything, we're not damaging anything, but you're, but you're going to get better. And then we again go over to nutrition. What, what are you eating? Are you eating breakfast? Because people say, no, I just, yeah, I just skip breakfast. You know you can get something quick and easy to have for breakfast. You know, could you look at? You know, maybe removing something? I mean, are they possibly utilizing alcohol?
Speaker 2:as you know, to help them again.
Speaker 3:So to say like you know, I'm not a counselor to help you with that, but to say you know there are there aren't really benefits to it. I know it can possibly help you with your pain, it can escape things, but it's not going to be beneficial for you. And and this is a talk that goes every visit it's just something we chat about and we just build it. So again we get in there and talking about resources, of saying like, oh, if you want to go talk to somebody about this, I can help you find somebody, I can help you find those resources and at least getting them on board, saying like I'm on on your side, I'm on your side to help you out. Um, I'm doing these things to to help you because, because overall I'm, I am just one piece of it, but I can help you get some other pieces from there I like it.
Speaker 2:Oh, before we go, I need to ask, also, as a physical therapist, what's your take on chiropractors? I'm not looking for all, like all good or all bad, but like just as a general like how do you, because you know you're, you're in that kind of I feel like you're in the physical therapy space, you know chiropractors, that's all it could be.
Speaker 3:I don't know, I'm just curious there are some I am buddies with some that are very good that they they don't like to crack people like you know. They say like, hey, we're gonna get you moving, we're gonna, you know, doing this, understanding, if we got to put our hands on you in some capacity, they will. Um, I mean, I know some chiropractor like my neck got jacked up a couple weeks ago and like I was having like I'm trying to treat it for myself, but I knew I hit a point. I said I have to get a manipulation. So I I was like, hey, would you do this Pop? And I went, that was it, and I know I just needed that one little piece.
Speaker 3:But when they get into the things of saying like, oh you know, let's get you an X-ray and I'll look at your spine and do all, you got all this here and you know you need to buy 38,000 treatments and you get this and you get this machine. And the decompression thing I am not a big fan of, mainly because it's traction is one Second. I saw somebody selling a coaching program on how to add decompression to your practice to make more money. So I was like you aren't caring about people, you're just trying to get more money. So I was like you aren't caring about people you were wanting.
Speaker 3:You're just trying to get more money. So when it's really not getting into, like, hey, we may use these hands on things, but you need to strengthen, you need to move, you need to be more active that's when things are like a little like, okay, you're just here, you're just here for, you know, money. You're not really getting into it, you're getting people dependent. But when they're like, no, I don't want you to see me all the time, I want I want to provide as minimal as a care possible to get you moving and feeling. And you know, that's it Now.
Speaker 3:Granted, maybe you have to know I know people that got a lot of relief. They're like, yeah, I had to go for a long time but they had a serious issue. But yeah, also, when they get into like again, there's some conspiracy stuff on like curing disorders and you know, like you know the whole stuff with covid, they were like cure your chronic kidney disease with the c1 manipulation yeah, and then like um, you know, I heard of like children with cerebral palsy, like, oh, oh, we'll cure their cerebral palsy, we'll do it.
Speaker 3:And it's like, okay, it's like you're just manipulating money out of their wallet. So that's what you're doing, because there's like scam artists and like everything, but just it feels like chiropractors.
Speaker 2:They get a good percentage of those.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So they kind of how they're set up, they have more freedom. And how they're set up, they, they have more freedom, and so that's where they get in. They can just start saying because, because their practice act and all that just gives them more freedom. So they can just say all these things again, all those conspiracy about big pharma and stuff like that the best spinal decompression, by the way, is just a good night's sleep.
Speaker 1:oh yeah, that's when our spines decompress is when we're laying perpendicular to gravity, guys it always comes back to the boring shit like sleep, exercise and eat your fiber and protein.
Speaker 2:It's so stupid. I want more C1 manipulations, space lasers, bell therapy, crystals. That's the fun stuff, that's the shit I want. But anyway, Matt.
