In Moderation
Providing health, nutrition and fitness advice in moderate amounts to help you live your best life.
Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
In Moderation
The Craziest Roundtable Discussion You'll Listen To This Year
Ever wonder how losing 250 pounds and dancing half-naked online could lead to internet success? Join us as we chat with Jesse, aka Progressive Overhaul, who shares his incredible story of transformation, both physically and digitally. Together, we laugh through tales of soda mishaps and the surprising power of bikini photos to boost internet fame. Our podcast is all about the chaos and camaraderie, blending humor with heartfelt stories as we explore the unexpected twists that make life on the internet so fascinating.
Social media wasn’t always a comfortable space for us. We reminisce about our awkward beginnings and the pressure to conform to digital perfection. Jesse and our hosts open up about finding their authentic voices and embracing vulnerability to build a genuine connection with their audiences. From the intimidating world of TikTok to the supportive nature of online communities, our journey highlights personal growth and the importance of keeping it real. The episode is sprinkled with hilarious anecdotes from our early internet escapades, making for an entertaining and insightful look at how social media shapes self-confidence.
Through playful banter and intriguing discussions, we navigate everything from fad diets to fairy smut. Our conversations touch on the pitfalls of unrealistic fitness trends, the impact of calorie tracking, and the complexities of intimacy and personal insecurities. With Jesse's perspective, we also explore the evolving landscape of social media platforms, especially in light of TikTok's challenges in Canada. Join us for a rollercoaster episode that celebrates personal transformations, pokes fun at societal norms, and reminds everyone of the importance of kindness and balance.
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Speaker 2:And that's the end. Thank you everybody for joining.
Speaker 1:Welcome to In Moderation, the podcast where there's some moderation but mostly just anarchy and chaos.
Speaker 3:And we already know. Do we just hire her as the intro for every episode now?
Speaker 1:Whenever I'm on, I just intro.
Speaker 3:Nailed it.
Speaker 1:Thanks.
Speaker 3:Good night everybody. That was it.
Speaker 2:Well, last time I did the intro, me and Liam had like a 10-minute talk about World War II, which must have been just a landslide victory for your ratings on Apple.
Speaker 1:Well, don't forget, you had that cute little photo.
Speaker 3:That cute little photo of him ended up being making it so that we can't monetize that episode on YouTube.
Speaker 1:Oh weird, how that works. But you can monetize mine in a bikini.
Speaker 2:But I could monetize yours Double standards. They hate me because they ain't me.
Speaker 1:That's what the kids say For context, rob, just posted, the episode and it's me in a bikini. And I was like, bro, where did you even I barely post me in a bikini, where did you get this? That's how you get the money. And then, literally, he was like we've had a lot of downloads and I'm like, yeah, I wonder why people probably think I'm only fans. It's an audio podcast.
Speaker 2:What are you gonna like describe boobs during the show?
Speaker 1:like what's this feel like a podcast. Maybe they thought I was sitting here in a bikini.
Speaker 2:The world is full of brain rot. Everybody, stop being perverts. Just be kind to yourself. You might start to rub off on others. He said the thing I did. I just swallowed my water wrong. I had soda come through my nose, by the way. That's the only way that diet soda can be bad for you is if it goes down the wrong way and up through your nose, because I am struggling right now.
Speaker 2:80 of them every day so that too, or yeah, if you're a lab rat. So, paul saladino, you win this round, damn you I've seen that guy who does the.
Speaker 5:I'm addicted to soda and the amount he drinks I'm like that. That seems like it could be bad I like him.
Speaker 1:I'm very jealous. I'll say that have you guys, I don't Give a Fuck guy.
Speaker 2:I talked to him we chat via text.
Speaker 3:We buddies he says I should go visit him.
Speaker 5:And I'm like if I didn't have a child, I would definitely go out and do a collab with fucking. I Don't Give a Fuck Foods that would be dope as shit. I would fucking chug Red 40.
Speaker 2:I don't need you to visit.
Speaker 5:I used to dig crack rocks out of the carpet that'd be great I wonder how many of the stories are true judging by all of them, I'm gonna believe all of them yeah he's oh, he's a. He's some of them. He can actually rap pretty well, surprisingly like surprisingly well I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1:What do you mean surprisingly?
Speaker 5:I mean just for a guy that's like you know, doing so much.
Speaker 2:Looks like a coral, that's like you know, done so much looks like a coral reef.
Speaker 5:I feel like you know, being able to rap seems like it might be kind of hard, but he's very good at it.
Speaker 1:A lot of rappers do a lot of drugs and stuff Like come on, probably helps.
Speaker 5:I mean, if you're a musician, you kind of have to do drugs.
Speaker 3:It's part of the whole thing, jesse, our new friend, have you done drugs oh?
Speaker 1:yeah, this is your first introduction to this podcast.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's complete anarchy.
Speaker 1:Well, no, you have an in moderation shirt. Yeah, you're a fan.
Speaker 3:I like it. So it's just some episodes. Tell the audience who you are.
Speaker 5:I'm a busy guy, Rob.
Speaker 2:When I'm working. I actually didn't that one's on a block list?
Speaker 1:It's fine, just trying to be helpful, guys. So I just try and support my friends.
Speaker 4:I can't even get the money from that by the way, do we want to talk about?
Speaker 1:who's done drugs. No, I did try to divert that.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Okay everybody who's done drugs put up your hand.
Speaker 1:It's a podcast, perfect. So how are we doing this roundtable? Is this it? Alex just creates anarchy. Oh, I like this Picasso.
Speaker 2:I think we should introduce Jesse.
Speaker 1:We should introduce all of us. Technically, I guess we should.
Speaker 2:Well, you and I we're frequent flyers here and I hope people are familiar with Robin how about jesse goes first and then we can go? Yeah, we'll do it that way you're making me go first.
Speaker 4:I feel like that's not fair, you know you best. I thought it was polite, I thought that was respectful okay, yeah, I, I just feel like you're pushing, putting all the pressure on the new guy, but that's all right, uh you're more comfortable on the camera than we are.
Speaker 1:Mr Mistletoe, over here.
Speaker 4:I mean, I don't know about that, but we'll see. Yeah, my intro. I suppose my name is Jesse. I go by progressiveoverhaul on all social platforms. I was once really fucking fat. I can swear right. Yes, I was once really fucking fat. I was over 500 pounds. Yes, I was once really fucking fat. I was over 500 pounds. I've lost over 250 through diet, exercise and not hating my life, which is a very important part of losing weight. I dance half naked on the internet. Once a week I somehow became the dude that dances half naked while shaking loose skin, and that's a thing that people watch. I'm not entirely sure why, but they do.
Speaker 3:Hey, we don't judge people's fetishes here. There you go.
Speaker 4:Exactly, and yeah, that's me Well, you know.
Speaker 2:I think it's for a lot of people like you've lost way more than I have, so I'm the second up, I'm the second contender here for that.
Speaker 1:I think we've lost the same amount of weight, Mike.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if you were to go from how many times we've lost it over and over again, were you able to lose 110? You weren't 110 pounds heavier than you are right now, were you?
Speaker 1:No, I was 60 pounds heavier twice, so I was 120 pounds total.
Speaker 2:Maybe you were to scale.
Speaker 4:I mean, if you're counting how much you've lost, accumulated, I'm at like freaking like 900. That's what Mike did.
Speaker 2:Me too. It's because I gained and lost 100 pounds at least four times and then there were like little bits. No, but I'm talking just like from top to bottom. I swear.
Speaker 1:You said that when you say 110 pounds, that you had said that that was like the accumulation of weight that you've lost.
Speaker 2:No, no, if I were to go on that metric, I have no idea.
Speaker 1:I've been thinking that for months now. Have you not seen my before picture? I have, and that's why I was like that's not 60 pounds.
Speaker 2:No, I was a round fella. Yeah, I think, like because there are some people out there who were much heavier than me or Alex ever were, oh yeah, and they see you as like somebody who has achieved, because they see us and they're like, okay, great, whatever. They went from heavier to in shape. But they see someone like you who is probably a little bit more like them, it's like, oh, maybe I can do it, like this guy's doing it, and not only is he doing it, but he's rocking it.
Speaker 1:I was going to say I saw a comment on one of your posts, like I think I was looking today and somebody had said that they've been like a longtime follower and one of the biggest things that they've seen that they really appreciated was just how your energy and your confidence have continued to increase. And I feel like that's so cool to see because obviously, like it's a scary journey and you're being so vulnerable and to see you just like feeling better, like physically, but then also mentally and emotionally, is like really, really cool.
Speaker 4:I think one of the video concepts I've been thinking about is doing something like comparing my original like the first video I ever posted on social media to now, because the first video I posted you can like see and hear how intimidated and terrified I am of just being in front of a camera and like it's kind of crazy to me because I know the comment that you're talking about, because it hit home, because that's absolutely true. Every single week I can feel my confidence going up. I get more and more brazen with my dances and my jokes. I mean, come on, the mistletoe joke was a little aggressive but I still went for it.
Speaker 1:In case you guys are wondering, he walks around with boxers, with mistletoe on his dangling.
Speaker 4:Yes, yes, I did. And then I told everybody that they had to abide by the mistletoe rule. But that's, I digress the mistletoe rule. But uh, that's, uh, I digress. Um, yeah, my, my confidence and my energy and everything uh has dramatically improved, and that is largely because of social media. Um, and just, uh, the amount of support and love that I receive. I mean in general, of course, my confidence has gone up because of weight loss as well and just feeling better in my own skin, which I have a lot of. But, yeah, I mean, every single week that I get in front of the camera and I do that weekly weigh-in, 100% of the time I feel slightly better than I did the week before the week before.
Speaker 2:Can we really quick for the benefit of those listening, because all five of us here have made a career out of social media and filming ourselves every day for the most part and I think there are a lot of people for whom that idea is terrifying and we're just all regular human beings and we just decided one day to flip the camera on. So I just want to quickly go around and ask everybody what was your first video and what made you want to do it I'll I'll.
Speaker 5:I know exactly what my I'll start video is. I remember it very specifically. You start yeah, so my first video. Uh, picture me a thirst trap pose. Uh, no shirt on, obviously, of course.
Speaker 2:What am I gonna wear a fucking shirt when I got abs, get just go to his profile picture, y'all exactly, uh, with a plate of food, you know pointing at it and then hold on, no, I'm not even done.
Speaker 5:Then I didn't even want, I didn't want to talk in like video. So it was, um, the gorillas. I played the song gorillas. Uh, feel good, I went with that classic, great song. No, I know this. I, I reviewed this in a video like this is the first video I ever did and I reviewed. I was like this is pretty shit, but I'm gonna review it anyway, because I got no shame and yeah, I just like showed. And then, yeah, I just did, uh, you know the music, and then just like filmed myself it filmed, making it, uh, and and that was basically it was like 20 seconds and that was, and that was all I had just come from instagram, where I really only posted half naked photos of myself, so I figured I might as well just kind of keep up with that, and then that's what a lot of tiktok was at the beginning, and then it slowly morphed away from that sort of stuff for for the better.
Speaker 2:You didn't even intend to get into it from the, uh, the the health perspective, like you eventually got into nope, not at all.
Speaker 5:It was all gym skits at the beginning it was all gym dumb, gym skits that I had fun making that's so interesting to think about.
Speaker 2:And then here you are doing this all this time later, that's what I'm saying I myself my go ahead. I'm sorry anyone this. Uh, sorry you're. You're streaming from the same wi-fi that they uploaded all the beheading videos from the early 2000s it really does.
Speaker 5:Let me tell you this shit is rough.
Speaker 2:I'm expecting them to put a bang over your head.
Speaker 5:At this, I feel like I'm in prison he really is just like us hoarding wi-fi as much as possible, like I've been taking it from the guard bits by bits, just tiny bits of Wi-Fi over the time, just enough to stream for this.
Speaker 2:Trying to bribe a rat from across the cell to bring it over to you because you can't reach the key's right there Come on.
Speaker 5:That's how it feels.
Speaker 2:My first weight loss video was I. I was pouring over whether or not it, like is this topic important enough. Is the people? Are the people that see this? Are they going to be enticed to watch the second one if this isn't important enough? But then I thought, if it's too important, that the one I'll post the next day, people will be like, well, that one kind of sucks, not realizing that no one's going to see my first two videos at all.
Speaker 2:That was not even part of my thought process, but I eventually got to the point that I'm like you know what, why is it that everything I do has to be the greatest thing I've ever done? And I filmed one video, no cuts, just walking outside of my old job and I talked exactly like that. Why does every run I have to do have to be the greatest run I've ever taken, or every meal I've eaten have to be the greatest one I've ever had, or anything like that? And I thought, all right, you know what? That's a pretty decent premise for a video. And it was just me walking and holding my phone, mostly like I do to this very day, and so I'm not terribly like embarrassed by my first video, because it's fairly similar to what I do now.
Speaker 2:Nice work, mike, and then there was the vasectomy stuff from years ago. We're not going down that road.
Speaker 3:Well, of course you know you've got to bring up the vasectomy stuff. That was the real first time.
Speaker 1:We're not going to go on a tangent about vasectomies today.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I didn't have the kind of fear in front of the camera that I think many other people do. You're ruining all the fun.
Speaker 5:I know the vasectomy fun. What the hell.
Speaker 2:Well, let's talk about it. Yeah, let's get into it.
Speaker 1:We already had like a 30 minute conversation about it on my podcast.
Speaker 2:There's a firm moratorium. They're my balls, my rules. We don't talk about them anymore. If you want to go down that rabbit hole, you type in Mike Pridgen vasectomy onto Google. Go down that and leave everybody alone. You'll find everything you need to know about me and my nuts. But Alex, what about you? What was your first video here? What made you want to do it?
Speaker 1:I honestly can't recall what my first video was, because I posted on instagram first and I was doing photos. I was similar to liam where I was doing like thirst trappy, but mine weren't actually thirst traps, so don't it, don't go back scrolling y'all, um, but it was literally just me flexing in the mirror.
Speaker 3:Do you think I got the bikini photo?
Speaker 1:okay, no, that was a recent one, and I know exactly which video you used to get it so I know, um, anyways, um, but no, I started with just mirror selfies for photos, and then one of my first videos on tiktok was literally just I was, it was, covid was happening and so I was. Oh, should I not say that word?
Speaker 2:What's COVID?
Speaker 1:Sometimes, the thing was happening the thing, the great, the great, panoramic, um and so and so, um, I was alone in a studio apartment. I was waiting for that to happen, cause I saw him frozen, um the, and so I was really bored and lonely and so I literally just made a video about Lululemon, because I used to work there and so I was doing like Lululemon tips on how people could like get more bang for their buck and stuff like that. And it just went super viral and I was like oh gosh, oops. And then I started posting. I was like, oh, ok, no-transcript, I just wanted people to know that they weren't alone on their fitness journey. I think that was the biggest thing is I was so confused and, as lame as that sounds, I literally still do it for the same reason. It's just my content has just gotten better, me too, me too Same thing.
Speaker 2:There was no content of the kind that we made.
Speaker 1:Not that we're super special or anything, but there's a lot of bullies out there. Yeah, it's the first. So I had the lululemon stuff and like random stuff do really well, especially on tiktok, because I started posting reels, like once they were there. And then the video that actually like my first video to get like five million views because, to be fair, like the, the uh lululemon ones did get like 5 million views because, to be fair, like the, the Lululemon ones did get like millions of views and people were like oh my God, pants. But the one that got like 5 million views was me showing my stomach and I was literally like me before I eat versus me after and it was like flat stomach and then it was like my stomach being bloated and stuff and like I just started. I literally started doing Unposed and Unbothered then so back in like 2020. And then I've just been doing it for four years where I just always have shown my body changing. So it's just it's been similar stuff, it's just kind of it's evolved Like literally we were just talking and I think this is so important to share with your question, which is like my first videos and pictures were me kind of just flexing, not really actually adding value.
Speaker 1:It was kind of just me as a human being.
Speaker 1:And then, as I started to do like the sounds and stuff, it made sense for content at the time but, like people still want to connect with people and so we were having the conversation before we hit record where I was like I need to start doing consistently more talking videos because that's what people want and honestly it's good, as, like somebody who creates content and I do do talking videos when they're like reactions and stuff but I don't do a lot when it's me just being like me, and so it's still scary and it feels uncomfortable because it is easier for people to judge you.
Speaker 1:Because now it's like OK, this is actually me. What if people don't like me and people aren't going to? So that's OK. But yeah, I think it's important to share that like. Even as somebody who's created content this long, it's it's still scary to like change and to evolve and do that stuff. But I don't know it's like if you really want to help people, because the thing and like helping people doesn't have to be educating, it could be you want to entertain them, you want to connect with them, you want to share something that you learned, like it could be anything, but I think people get so in their heads about it.
Speaker 2:I don't do much educating. It's a lot of mindset.
Speaker 1:You're so motivational and inspirational lie, you're so motivational and inspirational so it's like your education is different. No, it is a form of education, because you're doing like mental education. Well, I wasn't trying to like downplay what I do.
Speaker 2:I've just got like a different angle on things because it's for once, I'm actually not downplaying myself but.
Speaker 2:I appreciate the the catch, though, because it it means a lot, but it, yeah, like it's.
Speaker 2:It's not so much that I'm focusing on like the tactical stuff or the practical stuff, it's more so, like the other day I just posted a thing about like your self-hatred is actually very selfish.
Speaker 2:Like for you to place yourself at the epicenter of someone else's pain and treat it as some sort of noble act, that you're just going to hate yourself and hold on to a version of yourself that caused that pain that you're perceiving that's really selfish, selfish thing to do, and I got a few messages back about that. It's like you know what. You're kind of right, like I thought I was doing something to benefit others, but to hold on to a version of myself that hurt those people instead of becoming a version of myself that never would again. You know what was I really doing, and it's. That's not something that I think is really part of the weight loss conversation, at least as far as I've seen, um, but it's. It's something that I know I needed back in the day. So I'm I'm trying to that's really what I'm trying to deliver is all the stuff that I didn't hear when I needed to hear.
Speaker 1:I think that's the biggest, the best way that people can go about making content, especially like cause I know, jesse, obviously you're, you're still technically on your journey, but, like for anyone who's maybe past their journey who's like, well, I'm already, I'm not in this now it's not as exciting to share, cause. I know I feel that way sometimes. I'm like, like you said, you're like they already lost the weight, they're done with it. But it's like I just think about what did I need to hear and what do I wish I heard, and like I still share stuff from the viewpoint of because I'm an older sister and so my sisters are 10 and 12. And I'm like, what do my little sisters need to hear? As, like, growing up in a world where people are still body shaming and fear-mongering, food and doing these things, like what do I wish they knew.
Speaker 4:That's literally. I have a video where I literally say that my whole content, whenever I make a video, my thought process is what did old me need to hear what? What would old me have resonated with? What would I have found valuable, what would have made me laugh and just made me connect to the content? And that's why I put a lot of humor in my content, because that's what I resonate with personally, because I, when things make me laugh, it makes me think about it. So I'm, I intentionally add humor to my content. People think that it's with the goal of being more engaging or you know some methodical social media bullshit, but ultimately it's because that's what old me would have wanted and that's what old me would have found value in and connected with and maybe learned something.
Speaker 4:So every piece of content I make is just messages to that former self, and I can never help him turn things around earlier, but I can help other people do so.
Speaker 1:I think that's why we all like get along so well, because I feel like that's what we all kind of do, is like we like to blend education and entertainment together Because it's like it's just it's more fun. I'm like I hated school. I hated it. It was so boring. I felt like I had such a struggle to like pay attention and I was like I wish people like when they taught me stuff. It was like entertaining and so like. That's why I'm like let's make it fun.
Speaker 2:Rob like entertaining and so like. That's why I'm like, let's make it fun, rob does that really well and I this is, I think, a good way to get into your first videos and what got you started, because you do that education plus the entertainment really well damn like you know it used to work, where I just keep quiet, keep my head down, nobody asks me anything, no, fucking shit yeah
Speaker 3:um, I also don't know what my first video was, but, uh, my reason for posting was because I I have the massive journey with social anxiety disorder and I was looking at TikTok, started the thing, the panoramic and I said to myself you know what, putting something on the internet is fucking scary, but you know what? No one's going to see it anyway. Nobody ever sees the first videos from people or stuff like that. And so I'm going to do it. I'm just going to make a video just to push myself out of my boundaries, and so I did. And then people discovered it and actually liked it and fricking took off.
Speaker 3:So I don't know specifically what the first video was, but I started out talking about, um, extra exercise, science, um, some of the same stuff about, like, how metabolism works and stuff, physiotherapy, trans rights, toxic masculinity. So there's still a fair amount of the same stuff that I talked about today. Which hilarious. It's always hilarious to me when I make a video about toxic masculinity or trans rights and someone new to my page pipes in with I don't like this. I think you should just stick to talking about diet. It's like dude. Literally. One of my first ever viral videos was me talking about how the x, x, x, y chromosome is just a simplified thing taught, taught in sex ed in grade six, and it's way more complicated than that.
Speaker 2:It's like you know, zooming out and looking at the earth and saying, well, the earth is clearly made of that green stuff and that blue stuff. I like that, Like well, I suppose so. But like, let's zoom in a little bit, there's people down there.
Speaker 3:At one point or another, I stopped talking about workouts a lot, because I took a step back and I was like, ok, there are 500,000 people on this app that are talking about different workouts. They're all fine, there's nothing new here. The only way to push a workout is just to be like, oh, you need to do this to optimize your stuff. And I was like I don't want to be that person. No, and so I started moving towards the food stuff, because at that point, you're becoming the opposite of that person where they're doing, oh, everything's toxic, blah, blah, blah, and you get to step in and be like no, it's very relative to dose and all these other fancy things. It's not black and white.
Speaker 2:I've been looking at all this optimization content Cause you, you know you'll see some some shredded gym bro like filming themselves doing tricep rope pull downs in the gym, and then they'll say like if you do it this way you're actually leaving 20% of gains on the group, but if you do it this way, you know it's. It's all arbitrary numbers. So I was thinking like I think there might be a gap in the market for not so much anti optimization content but like pro just being in the gym content. Here's a movement you can do. Is it the most optimal? I don't know, but I've built some good muscle doing it and I feel good. So here's something that you could do if you're feeling a little bit overwhelmed. I don't know. It's something I'm thinking about.
Speaker 1:That's the hard thing for consumers, because they need to figure out who are these people speaking to and it's like oh, I don't think that's me, but a lot of times people have a hard time doing that and being like I don't know what this content is for me, because they're like I want to get into the gym, I want to work out. Oh, I want to do the best that I can. I need to do these optimal things, when the reality is 99% of people who want to go to the gym lose weight, build muscle, get in shape, tone up, whatever it is that you want to do 99% of those people just need to eat mostly whole, nutrient-dense foods and still incorporate the ones that they love, potentially work on their relationship with food and or themselves. Go to the gym like three times a week at least and like that's actually more than enough. Walk a little bit each day, make sure you sleep and chill the fuck out all the boring stuff it's.
Speaker 1:It's literally just like the boring shit, but it's the optimization movement that's happening and the over complication movement that's happening, or even oversimplification of calories in versus calories out, using you being a calorie deficit, and it's like, okay, but I I feel like I'm in a calorie deficit, so I don't understand what I'm doing wrong.
Speaker 4:And then you just feel like you're being yelled at for doing and then you get somebody on the opposite end, that's saying the calorie deficit doesn't work I.
Speaker 1:I already know who's like we're talking about there's a lot of people talking about it the minute I did carnivore the minute. I did carniv. The calorie deficit didn't matter. I'm like that's not what happens.
Speaker 2:The thing is, what they're selling is a very quick amount of scale weight loss in a short amount of time. Not a lot of weight loss in a short amount, but a very significant amount in a short amount of time, because when you switch on to carnivore, you tend to lose fairly quickly is it permanent weight?
Speaker 1:loss no, not fat but it's.
Speaker 2:It's easy to sell that to somebody. They see it happen, they see five or six to ten pounds drop on the scale and they go, huh, that worked, I got my money. Then they gain the weight back and then they're like, well, I better pay that person again they're also selling the fad diet.
Speaker 1:It's the same concept, because they're selling really rigid rules around food that make it easier for people to adhere, and carnivore is extremely satiating because of the protein and fat content, and so it's harder to overeat. But then the reality is so many of these carnivore zealots are nutrient deficient in many different things, and also a lot of them literally share their cheat days or their cheat meals, and I'm like, if you are doing any sort of diet that requires you, okay, the balloons come at that moment that requires you to have a cheat day or a cheat meal.
Speaker 1:That's not a lifestyle. You still have a fucked up relationship with food.
Speaker 4:Anytime somebody uses the word cheat with food. It bothers me, like yeah, just just eat food in moderation. I mean he said the thing eat food in moderation. Like, honestly, it's really not as difficult as everybody thinks it and and it's. It's frustrating because this goes back to the optimization thing. Like you don't need to optimize what you're eating. You need to eat normal food majority of the time, like that's really all it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just did a whole podcast episode about yo-yo dieting and like food noise, and it was the main things that I covered was the fact that, like from coaching, we've learned that like the main six pillars of food noise this is not incorporating any sort of like the neuroscience aspect of it, where people do have kind of the mental side of it, like that, but there is like relationship with food. There's like the binge eating, which kind of is its own separate entity but also can fall under relationship with food. There's under eating, so severe under eating is obviously going to cause food noise and terrible relationship with food. And then there was like a couple other ones that I named that I need to list in front of me to remember at this point. But it's the thing.
Speaker 1:The reason I bring that up is so many people think that there's something wrong with them because they try eating whole, nutrient dense foods and they're like, well, but I'm not losing the weight and it's like, okay, well, now are you restricting yourself? Now do you have this bad relationship and like, is it calorie wise or is it even like food labeling wise? And so you have to understand that yes, it is simple, but also it's still going to be unique to whatever your situation is, and so that's where you need to figure that out. But giving yourself more rules, more things to fear, isn't going to help you, if anything is going to make it worse.
Speaker 1:So you just need to figure out what you need to work on.
Speaker 4:I think the food noise is an interesting topic that a lot of people completely misunderstand, especially people that just don't experience it. I think that, as somebody who lived at 500 plus pounds, obviously food noise was a very difficult thing for me to get past. I made a video the other day talking about how I went to the movie theater and I was struggling with whether or not I could eat popcorn because it felt like this long mathematical equation like can I get these 700 calories in?
Speaker 4:What do I have to subtract All this stuff right? And after I watched that, like after I made that video and I watched it back, I realized in my head I've replaced my food noise with other food noise, rather than having food noise telling me I need to eat food now. It's going well shit. What is the math on this? How many calories are in this? How can I eat it? And it's it's literally just one noise replaced with another, which I think is interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, didn't you get the popcorn that day too?
Speaker 4:I did.
Speaker 1:Yeah, love that for you, thank you.
Speaker 4:It was delicious.
Speaker 1:Yeah, as yeah, as it should be, because it's not that serious and it's like, and that's not.
Speaker 3:I want to make it clear when I say it's not that I know.
Speaker 1:I want to make it clear, though when I say it's not that serious, it's not belittling your experience that you had. It's to say the food shouldn't be that serious and like. I've had conversations with people who are scared to track macros because they've had a bad experience with it and I'm like, cool, you don't have to. And then they're like, yeah, but this person did it. And I'm like just because somebody else did it doesn't mean you need to do it.
Speaker 3:Your experience isn't their experience.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I'm like, stop trying to make it yours. Why does it have to be?
Speaker 2:To any people listening to us right now that might be afraid of tracking their macros or their calories. You're starting too soon. With my clients we work on the habits first and then we assign numbers to it. If we assign numbers to it first, we're just attaching a point system to a series of habits that we already hate. So we work on solidifying the habits first With my one-to-one clients. We don't usually start tracking until maybe halfway through Some clients we don't usually start tracking until maybe halfway through Some clients we never even track at all and they see steady progress and it's fine.
Speaker 2:It's. You know, with every person it's going to be different. If you're thinking about tracking, I think it can be a great tool if you approach it properly. But work on the habits without numbers first, you know. Because right now, whether or not you're tracking a binge, it's still a binge and you're going to feel shittier about it when there's numbers on it.
Speaker 3:So let's work on why it is that the binge is happening you know, somewhere further down the process where it's like, okay, I thought you would be a little bit more towards your goal than this. So maybe we need to take a little deeper dive into something.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I can draw an allegory to any of you listening that are fans of space exploration. When they send a satellite out into orbit or beyond, they will send it with a finite amount of fuel. Now, once it's out there and it's going in one direction, they don't need fuel anymore. It'll keep going that way. But if they want to divert course, they will use a tiny little bit of fuel just enough to puff it off to the left, and suddenly they're going into a different star system. It's the same thing, I believe, with calorie tracking. You don't? I personally, I will track every once in a while, just to make sure I'm still on course.
Speaker 2:And then I will. I will allow my velocity to continue me forward, Like right now I'm I'm in a period where I'm tracking.
Speaker 3:It's been a while since I've tracked, but I want to make sure that I'm in a healthy deficit because for the first time, I'm trying to actually trim off a couple of pounds, and so I'm tracking here for you. Someone wants to get a beach body ready? Hey yo.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm in Texas and it's hot as hell here every single day.
Speaker 1:I was like it's still hot. It's not even like it's.
Speaker 2:Every day it's sweaty as I can go outside and post some Liam-esque thirst traps.
Speaker 3:Jesse knows the struggle. We get like one week during the summer that we get their chance, so gotta be ready for it.
Speaker 2:If you want to trade, I'm all in, but that means we also get your health care.
Speaker 1:No, I'll take your health care any day, no, I'll take your healthcare anyway.
Speaker 4:No, I'm not going. No, yeah, I'm with Rob, I'm happy in Canada.
Speaker 2:Curses.
Speaker 1:We almost got him Alex Next time for sure, I don't even think kinda, to be honest, what were you going to? I think Jesse was going to say something about what you were saying.
Speaker 4:I was going to say I haven't tracked all year and people are usually surprised to hear that. But I think that once you get to a point of tracking for long enough, you kind of just can intuitively determine how much food to eat. So, even though I made that real, I do kind of keep track of my calories, in the sense that I have a meal, I know that this meal is roughly 800 calories. I know how many calories are in this popcorn or this snack that I want. I know how many calories are in the foods that I'm eating, and I still weigh my food, but I don't track it.
Speaker 1:I think that's a really important reminder for people, because a lot of people I feel like intuitive eating has kind of gone out of being as popular as it used to, which is fine with me, because I think that there's such a misunderstanding around intuitive eating because people just think, like you just need to listen to your body, but so many people, similar to the food noise conversation, haven't been taught how to regulate their hunger cues how to actually build a balanced meal, Like people really don't understand that, to quote, eat intuitively you mean like just live life, like many of us do now, is you still have to eat mostly whole, nutrient-dense foods.
Speaker 1:You still have to get enough sleep so that way your hunger hormones aren't all jacked up. You still have to have a healthy relationship with foods. You're not stress eating or you're not like leaning into food during any sort of like emotion or turmoil. And you also have to make sure that you have a good understanding of like energy balance, Like the thing is cause I could eat exactly the same but say I go through a period where I'm moving a lot less. I'm going to gain weight, Like it's just going to happen, but my hunger is not naturally going to regulate right away and so I'm going to still feel this need to eat more food even though I don't need it. And so it's just like. Intuitive eating is more complex than the internet had liked to make it seem.
Speaker 2:To those of you out there who may have a hundred pounds or more to lose my brother in Christ, let's just have a moment.
Speaker 2:I'm going to hold your hand when I say this. You have not felt hunger in five years. You have not allowed yourself to feel hunger. And this is me. I'm throwing. I am using a slingshot to throw pebbles across a glass house right now. I did not allow myself to feel hunger for many years, so not a single shot. Was I about to start listening to my hunger cues? Hunger for me was can I fit another bite in without being worried that my stomach is going to burst? You've not been familiar with your hunger signals yet. Intuitive eating is not a switch that you can flip on and off. It's something that you have to train. It is a skill. So when you have been constantly grazing and eating for years and not allowed yourself to feel hunger at all, you can't just switch to intuitive eating suddenly.
Speaker 2:You don't know what that means.
Speaker 4:Intuitive eating requires just being significantly more methodical and calculated about what you're eating, and that's not something that a lot of people realize. They hear intuitive eating. They hear you know just eat until you're full, don't continue eating Like it's not that simple. It still requires a lot of thought towards food. It requires that extra effort of am I eating right now because I'm hungry and full is not a factor in whether or not we stopped.
Speaker 2:Exactly that was the thing I ate way past being full.
Speaker 3:Full is also relative to a lot of different things. If two people had the exact same meal, one of them would feel full faster than the other if they were eating at different speeds. If you eat slower, you're going to also depending on their hormones. Let that, also depending on their hormones.
Speaker 3:But if you're eating slower, you're going to allow your body to actually regulate and give you that fullness feeling, whereas if you're shoveling down things down your throat, then you're going to be full before you know it yeah, I think that, and this isn't to like say that it's not possible.
Speaker 1:This isn't to say again this the funny thing about like how I started this by saying like it's not that serious. It's not that serious and it's not as complicated as people like to make it, but it is highly individual. So, like everything we're saying, if it resonates with you, if you're like that sounds like me, that's something I like vibe with, or like this is the struggle that I have. Lean into that aspect and don't make all the other problems that we mentioned your problem, because it doesn't need to be Um, but also, even, as you like, continue your journey. Just remember that, like, it's also normal for it to like change and for it to shift, because I've gone through binge eating, I've gone through orthorexia, I've gone through just over training like crazy and being like obsessed with, like the gym, depression, like all those things, and so it's always changing. But just learning to navigate that, I think, is very important.
Speaker 3:There's a reason that, if you ask any one of us for advice, the advice is not only going to be different, but it's also going to start with. It depends, yeah.
Speaker 1:You can always tell a good coach by how they answer a question, and it better always start with it depends.
Speaker 4:It's wild how many people reach out and ask for advice without giving you any information. It's like I can't answer that yeah like I'm sorry, but you're gonna have to give me a way more than that to be able to help you yeah yeah but it's also like we just weren't.
Speaker 1:I think so many people weren't taught that, like I, I tell people the only bad question is the one you don't ask. And the funny thing is a lot of people are like, yeah, but there's like Google-able questions, like that's a very common thing that I hear and I'm like have you Googled stuff before? Have you been like, yes, sometimes the right answer is the first one, but like also many people don't know that and like they're literally asking you because they trust you, they believe in you, they value you.
Speaker 4:So can't you just answer the question? We could put this to the test right now. Somebody Google. Is the carnivore diet good?
Speaker 1:Oh gosh.
Speaker 4:Let's see what comes up.
Speaker 2:See, when you do something like that, you're already subjecting your results to a confirmation bias.
Speaker 4:That's my point, subjecting your results to a confirmation bias.
Speaker 2:That's my point.
Speaker 1:The carnivore diet, which consists of consuming only meat and animal products, is generally considered unhealthy by medical experts and registered dietitians.
Speaker 2:Google's figuring it out.
Speaker 3:There we go, but did you go into incognito before you did that?
Speaker 4:Also, if you add Paul Saladino to it, what comes up?
Speaker 2:You could type in benefits of the carnivore diet and you will find things to confirm your bias.
Speaker 4:A hundred percent. A hundred percent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so using neutral language in a search is really important. Literacy is so important in education. It's not just reading the information, but understanding what it is that you're receiving and the way that you interpret it like two people can read the same study and get two different results from just how they've interpreted what they read and it's just trying to enter things from as neutral of a standpoint as possible.
Speaker 4:we're all subject to confirmation bias but to try to be as neutral, is that a lot of people can't go into things with a neutral mindset. Most people will be kind of dug into their opinion or what they think is true and then, regardless of the facts or information put in front of them, they're just dug in and that's their opinion forever.
Speaker 1:We all love being right.
Speaker 4:We do. We're all unconscious cheerleaders of our own opinions. That's just reality of being human cheerleaders of our own opinions. That's just reality of being human.
Speaker 2:I will say that unequivocally back to the future is the greatest film to ever be made, followed by I'm a fan of Shawshank Redemption, to be completely honest, but that could be number four. I'm going Four.
Speaker 5:There's three of these.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, ooh, money ball Interesting. All right, robert, I Robert, I'm not a movie person. You don't like any movies at all. I mean I like movies.
Speaker 3:He's like I've watched one in my life. Yeah, I like the one with the actor Lord of the Rings, harry Potter Star.
Speaker 1:Wars.
Speaker 3:Sure, we'll go with one of those.
Speaker 1:I know what those are. Have you seen Lord of the Rings?
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:Oh, I was about to question this whole Viking thing going on. I don't know why Viking's relevant to Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 3:I was going to ask what is? I was going to question you going to TwitchCon?
Speaker 1:I feel like TwitchCon is a Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 3:It's a gaming thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but still I don't know. Lord of the Rings gamers, I don't know, is that bad?
Speaker 3:No, you want to ask me about my favorite games?
Speaker 4:No, we're going somewhere. If you're nerdy, you have to like Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1:I love Lord of the Rings. I can quote pretty much all three extended editions like almost word for word.
Speaker 4:I haven't seen it.
Speaker 3:All right, all right.
Speaker 4:How long do we have left in the podcast?
Speaker 1:Harry Potter.
Speaker 3:Alex, tell me what is on page 244 of the New Two Towers.
Speaker 1:Could you imagine if I actually could just like pull that out? First of all, I said the movies, not the book.
Speaker 4:That would be like some suits level shit right there.
Speaker 1:See, that's such a cool.
Speaker 4:If I could have a superpower like a reasonable one, it would be that, mike Ross, for sure, that would be so sweet to have that kind of memory.
Speaker 1:Yeah, unreasonable, I just want to fly you could just go anywhere you want. See, but I feel like flying places would be so much more fun.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but teleporting is no time I'm going to be super honest.
Speaker 1:I'd want to homelander the shit out of this world. If I was homelander Like, come on, anyone, the boys.
Speaker 4:I'm teleporting into a bank vault and then I'm teleporting to Mexico. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I want the power to control minds, but the only mind that I'll control is mine, and I will just make it not anxious.
Speaker 3:I want that power. I'm with Mike on that.
Speaker 1:That is a superpower, superpower.
Speaker 2:What superpower do you want teleported in?
Speaker 5:I've been on tech support with at&t for the past like 30 minutes. It's been real fun way missed so much. I basically just had to move the modem until it's having coitus with my fucking tower you need the, the antenna for it.
Speaker 3:Clear or boosters your internet is clearly much better.
Speaker 5:Just based on the intro. This is clearly significantly better. The internet is good, it's just. My tower has about a distance of six feet.
Speaker 3:I guess it's because you also have a bunch of Bluetooth things connected, so there's a lot of interference going on there.
Speaker 1:Wow, well, great to have you back, liam. You missed a lot. Be the in moderation patreon content.
Speaker 2:It's just going to be a half hour of you very frustrated moving a modem back and forth on this call with at&t. Is it good there?
Speaker 5:no, it's not good. If, if, if, if we had just let tesla do his thing, all internet and electricity would have been free unfortunately, we will let the wrong tesla do his thing and not have garbage trucks driving on the highway in Texas.
Speaker 1:You know, I bet there's so many people who don't realize about Tesla like Nikola Tesla.
Speaker 5:Oh, don't, oh, like you, just don't know Immediately associate to Elon yeah, that's sad. Nikola Tesla was a weird dude and I fucking love him like he was clearly like on the spectrum. He had like so many issues with touch. He couldn't touch hair.
Speaker 1:He could not touch hair why do you know this about him? Oh, I know a lot about tesla.
Speaker 5:He's a fascinating character I just watched.
Speaker 1:I mostly learned about him, first from the prestige, and then I was like, who is this human? And then I, then I looked at him more, some.
Speaker 5:Some of his ideas were a little out there and probably would never have actually come to fruition, but like a lot of it, he I mean he was he was very smart, very ahead of his time, but he sided with the basically the wrong rich guy and he got fucking smooshed like a bug.
Speaker 3:And he died. Penniless Tesla is to Liam. What Tesla is to Liam what Harry Potter is to you.
Speaker 1:I don't nerd out that hard on Harry Potter.
Speaker 3:Okay, lord of the Rings is to you.
Speaker 1:I, I, I, just I greatly appreciate the movies. I watch them all once a year, just cause my dog's name is Chewbacca.
Speaker 5:Hello kitty.
Speaker 1:Okay, now I've gone too far.
Speaker 2:Tesla is to you ah, there we go.
Speaker 1:No, I do love. I can quote mostly Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, but that doesn't. Is it good?
Speaker 5:I think that's a lot of are you gonna see the new Lord of the.
Speaker 1:Rings. I saw it already.
Speaker 5:I saw it already sorry, I haven't seen it.
Speaker 4:I'm looking forward to it, it's mediocre uh, well, I'm no longer looking forward to it.
Speaker 1:I hope it's like that, alex no because they kind of like they kind of dragged some stuff out. There's a couple like references to the original movies which I appreciated. Like we learn where the name for helms deep comes from we. There's a couple references to like gandalf and stuff like that, but that's like. Other than that, the reason it happens is kind of weird. Like the reason the turmoil happens is kind of like get over it respectfully and that people are going to hear that and watch the movie and be like you sound like such an asshole because the reason is actually really fucked up.
Speaker 2:But to be fair, you can't take a review of lord of the rings from a fan of lord of the rings same with star wars because all we're gonna say is it sucks no, I did not say it sucks.
Speaker 1:I said it's mediocre it's the same thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, get it right, mike that's not.
Speaker 2:That is not the same thing not the same thing, no like uh, what's the, what's the craven, craven, sucked I would rather watch a sucky movie than a mediocre movie, because at least if it's really really bad you'll get some like reverse value.
Speaker 5:It depends on the type of video game. It depends on the type of suck. If it's a good sucker bad, suck craven is like comically bad, I love it's like, madame webb well, it is, madame webb, bad, but a bad suck could also be a.
Speaker 1:It all depends he's like it's real sloppy, you know like.
Speaker 5:That's why I like mystery science theater.
Speaker 2:That's one of my favorite shows, yeah so great like just rip it, riffing on terrible movies there you go there, there's my favorite there's my favorite movie is just mystery, science theater in general I thought you meant that you just like watching all the movie theater sloppy that was happening in the front seat.
Speaker 1:Oh, my lord, why would they be in the front seat? They'd be all the way in the back.
Speaker 4:We only see the people in the front seat what movie theater are you going to?
Speaker 2:no, we're in the back seat. We're watching the vine.
Speaker 1:You have to be in the back seat if you have to be in the back to not get kicked out of the movie theater for doing that.
Speaker 4:Yeah, if you're a bitch, you definitely have to be in the back seat buck up, get brave.
Speaker 5:Just go into the bathroom like normal people jesse, how was moana 2?
Speaker 4:it was fantastic, thank you welcome back, so wait are we a nutrition and fitness podcast or
Speaker 5:we just do movie reviews now because I'm totally fine just doing movie reviews.
Speaker 1:I can keep going with the movie reviews. We talked a little bit about intuitive eating.
Speaker 3:Die hard, die hard.
Speaker 1:I don't stand by that, even in the slightest as a Harry Potter fan.
Speaker 3:Harry Potter movies are not Christmas movies there just happens to be time where snow appears, and it's Christmas time in the movie I just had to say Die Hard because it's a meme thing, oh yeah.
Speaker 5:It's not a Christmas movie.
Speaker 3:And even does Gremlins count as a Christmas movie?
Speaker 5:I don't think so. I would say Home Alone is probably my favorite Home.
Speaker 1:Alone is a Christmas movie. Does that count? I feel like that one counts. Home Alone is a Christmas movie.
Speaker 5:It just kind of happens at Christmas again. So like why is that one a Christmas movie, though? No?
Speaker 1:because he's like celebrating Christmas, yeah, like it's around Christmas Getting things in the face?
Speaker 3:No, because he like is celebrating it.
Speaker 4:You have to see a Christmas tree and you have to see gifts.
Speaker 5:If you see both of those, things that can count as a Christmas movie there.
Speaker 1:They also play Christmas music in Die Hard.
Speaker 5:So like it kind of happens during Christmas and there's things because of Christmas, things are shut down. I kind of feel like it's a Christmas movie.
Speaker 3:I think a Christmas movie has to actually celebrate Christmas.
Speaker 1:Like it needs to be acknowledged yeah that's fair. I like Christmas with the Cranks, because Home.
Speaker 4:Alone. They do celebrate Christmas the morning that they're all together.
Speaker 5:And they're leaving because of Christmas. They're like going to visit because of Christmas and they're leaving because of christmas.
Speaker 1:They're like going to visit because of christmas.
Speaker 5:So like I think, an underrated but quality one is christmas with the cranks. I've never seen that. I don't think I've ever seen that I did see.
Speaker 3:It would surprise you if I said I never seen it no, not at all it's worth watching I'm saying the
Speaker 5:other tim allen. Though what is it?
Speaker 1:and the grinch, santa claus santa claus one two there is no the it's's just Santa Claus.
Speaker 5:Is no the a Santa Claus or it's just Santa Claus? It's just Santa Claus, the one with Tim Allen and it has the E.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I thought it was the Santa Claus Because it's the clause like in a contract. That's why it's spelled that way, I don't think there is a the Okay, what about Nightmare Before Christmas? Oh, you know, I stand correct.
Speaker 5:No, I feel like Nightmare Before.
Speaker 3:Christmas is? No, there isn't, it's just Santa Claus.
Speaker 4:No, the Disney one is the Santa Claus.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's the, because it's a double entendre to a contract.
Speaker 1:There's a clause.
Speaker 2:The cover of the film there is no the oh, he's blocking it. The the is behind him.
Speaker 4:Oh, so that's number two, not the first one him also.
Speaker 5:That's number two, not the first one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right. That's the sequel, obviously, alex.
Speaker 5:That's why, oh, you're right, I stand corrected the santa claus, the santa claus I stand corrected, I'm glad this podcast could go could achieve something for me people. We did actually have a really great conversation on intuitive eating and I just come back for the bullshit, because that's my favorite part. Yeah, we talked about food noise.
Speaker 1:We talked about binge eating.
Speaker 3:We talked about content creation.
Speaker 1:We actually had really insightful conversations while you were gone.
Speaker 5:No you do that part, I come in and I want to chat about fucking Lord of the Rings and the Santa Claus.
Speaker 1:Great, so the extended versions are like three and a half hours long.
Speaker 5:And I will watch every one of them. I've seen all of them. I've seen them many times. They're such good movies.
Speaker 1:They are Quality films. Whenever I go on road trips I just play them and in my brain I'm like, okay, so if I have 12 hours left, that means that I can get through the first two and most of the third one.
Speaker 5:What are you anxious? I'm debating and most of the third one. What are you? I'm debating? I did. Everybody says don't read it.
Speaker 1:I don't recommend it. He spends spent a lot of time on those books. Right, it's a lot of, it's a big time commitment. Personally, I read them when I was in like elementary school. I blame my dad.
Speaker 5:For a lot of things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's more, but this is my first.
Speaker 5:On the other hand, the books also have all the stuff that the movies cut out. There is a lot of stuff cut out like a lot.
Speaker 1:That's why I'm excited for the harry potter show. Oh right, they are doing because they're making like 10 seasons are they doing casting right now, so it's gonna be a while yeah, so they're actually trying to project it, I think for 2026, but so they're gonna start filming very quickly because obviously the kids have to be really young and apparently they're gonna turn well, and that's what's wild.
Speaker 5:I'm like how the fuck you're gonna do 10 seasons with these little kiddos who are supposed to be like 13 and then 18 by the end of it bro, those kids, those kids life that's gonna be rough because they're gonna be filming seasons one and seasons eight at the same time and like it's going to be fucking exhaust, like all they're going to be doing is filming and probably like schoolwork and that's it.
Speaker 4:I'm not sure, but look at Daniel Radcliffe, I'm sure he's set for life.
Speaker 1:He's been set for life. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, right, like, yeah, like a hundred million dollars it costs you.
Speaker 4:It'll cost you five years of your life, but then you're good forever.
Speaker 2:Well, that's different. That's the movies. This is just a TV show.
Speaker 1:The show's going to be interesting from a pay structure.
Speaker 4:I guarantee whatever kids are in this show are going to be set for life.
Speaker 2:They're not paying them. Daniel Radcliffe money that's debatable. You get residuals on TV.
Speaker 1:Not as much anymore because of the way that streaming services go.
Speaker 4:Oh fair. Yeah oh fair, yeah, so streaming services really messed up the way that people are paid for movies and still, regardless, they're gonna make a shit. I mean I would still.
Speaker 1:I if I, if I had a kid who was 13 years old, I'd make them audition and I'd be like, okay, what needs to happen for this to this to happen? I don't know, man.
Speaker 5:I've seen the fucking history of child actors and that shit looks rough as fuck yeah, we just talked about home alone. How's macaulay culkin doing I?
Speaker 1:mean he's had some. He's good now with brenda song. He's doing better now but like he had some rough stints for a while.
Speaker 4:There's also like that kid from the the mighty ducks that's in jail, and like there's a lot of child actors that did one of the kids from harry potter was in jail, yeah it was crab.
Speaker 1:He went to jail and, like in the last movie, they just replaced him with a black guy these kids are gonna get hooked on like harry potter drugs.
Speaker 2:So they're gonna get strung out on like mug bottoms and gloobly bits and butterbeer yeah, butterbeer, yeah, something from the actual movies. I'm just over here making noise, but it that's I. I I know that they're not making a Harry Potter sitcom, but hear me out, oh God, it was like a three camera family, like full house style sitcom.
Speaker 4:I would watch the shit out of that.
Speaker 5:Can I tell you my favorite?
Speaker 4:Wait, wait.
Speaker 5:Can I say my favorite sitcom of all time.
Speaker 3:Oh God, yeah, of course.
Speaker 1:So, it was a British show and it was called heil honey.
Speaker 2:I'm home, we've talked about it before, but it's the greatest thing ever now.
Speaker 5:Okay, so you got hitler and ava braun and they. They happen to have a jewish family living next door, it happens, right. And he would come home and go hi honey, I'm home now. The show made it half an episode before. They were like what the actual fuck did we just green light and they shut that shit down. Okay, I think maybe they made it through the whole first episode. I don't know if they shut him down halfway through. I think they made it through the whole first episode I don't know if they shut it down halfway through.
Speaker 1:I think they made it through the whole episode what?
Speaker 5:How did you find this? Oh it's. I've seen it on many different lists, talking about, like how the fuck did this get greenlit? Or how did this get filmed? Like how did this look up? Heil Honey, I'm Home.
Speaker 4:But have you actually seen the episode? What's that have?
Speaker 5:What's that?
Speaker 4:Have you seen the episode?
Speaker 5:Oh no, I've not watched it all the way through, but all I need to know is the title and I'm already like that's the greatest fucking thing ever, man, let me tell you he's in his full uniform. Yeah, no, he's full on Hitler and they. And this came out in what year? What can you 1990.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:So like I mean, come on, yeah, that's yep, that's fucking like. It's so good the fact that someone's like, yes, let's make this, and they filmed it and they put it out on the television for people to see.
Speaker 4:And this wasn't like today, where anybody can make anything For anybody out there listening.
Speaker 5:What are you saying the full.
Speaker 4:Uncut episode is on YouTube.
Speaker 3:Bro, I might have to go.
Speaker 5:We all know what everybody's watching.
Speaker 3:after this Look how pile honey. I'm home Just fucking. That video's just gonna suddenly spike in views.
Speaker 1:It's 74% liked it. It got 1.5 million views.
Speaker 2:This sounds like something that they would make on Adult Swim for a quick bit.
Speaker 5:It's like a robot chicken sketch.
Speaker 2:This is something they intended to be syndicated.
Speaker 5:The fact that, like in the 90s, when, like you know, it wasn't like everything, it's not netflix now, where, like you, get fucking green lit for anything you know, this was like you know, you had to actually have something and then they were like yeah, we have something we've got fucking hitler next to a jewish couple.
Speaker 3:It's insane, I mean brit comms are amazing for that kind of stuff, like shit I grew up on, are you being served? And the entire thing is just raunchy double entendres. That is the entire thing there's. There's an entire joke about one character's cat and she constantly because it's british, she constantly calls it her pussy and they go everywhere with that there were eight episodes recorded.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I want to get released only one aired, but eight episodes were actually filmed they.
Speaker 5:They recorded eight episodes of hi, oh honey, I'm home.
Speaker 4:Just let that shit sink in the fact the fact that they were unaired is kind of tragic, though, like I feel like I almost want to watch them just out of how hilarious it's pure curiosity.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, 100, 100 please welcome our next guest, the actor that played adolf hitler on highlining I'm home.
Speaker 1:I actually looked him up. He actually has done like a handful of things since then can we get him on in moderation?
Speaker 5:That's who I want to get next. I honestly bet you could he's 77. So we don't have a whole lot of time left. What's his name?
Speaker 1:He's known for Gnomeo and Juliet. His name's Neil McCall.
Speaker 2:Before Nuremberg does.
Speaker 3:If anyone is friends with Neil McCall, tell them we if you get him on the podcast, I will die.
Speaker 1:Hey, guess what he was in the lord of the rings. Was he really? Yeah?
Speaker 2:oh, in the new one. So the new one. He plays adolf hitler in a very strange role are you sure it's not coming up?
Speaker 5:I want, I want to just get him to reenact the other seven episodes yeah, apparently even 11 episodes were planned and only eight were recorded.
Speaker 1:Oh, he was just an additional voice. That's sad.
Speaker 4:Only eight were recorded.
Speaker 1:He deserves better.
Speaker 5:All we know about him is he played Hitler in Heil. He deserves better.
Speaker 1:He just took whatever he could get at that time, I can't blame him. Actors' lives are hard man. I used to be one.
Speaker 5:When he could get at that time, I can't blame him.
Speaker 3:Actors, lives are hard man I used to be one you get. When you're playing hitler, you gotta be sitting there like how much do I put into this?
Speaker 1:like how true you commit, you commit. I just want to make sure a whole murderer show oh, they're bringing it back. Uh, mind hunter people play murderers on that. People are play like really yeah, they've had Kemper.
Speaker 5:Yeah, yeah, all that, and I remember listening to something about that. The guy who played him actually met with Kemper and talked with him and tried to like yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:Wouldn't that be wild, Neil.
Speaker 2:McCall is a method actor.
Speaker 5:Hey Alex. Why are women obsessed with like serial killers and why do they get so much?
Speaker 1:love. Okay, I'm to ask because I literally don't get it. Because I am terrified of serial killers, I don't like horror movies and when people are like yeah, I listened to murder mystery podcast in my free time, I listened to one and I thought that that would happen to me. For like a year straight I was like on the lookout. I do know a lot of women like it because it makes them more aware of, like, what to do in those kinds of situations.
Speaker 1:But, some of them just like, like the thrill and I'm like I already have so much anxiety and overthink the shit out of everything. Give me more random scenarios to play in my head. This is dangerous, so.
Speaker 5:So you're not going to be writing love letters to serial killers in prison?
Speaker 1:Respectfully no, if any serial killers in prison. Respectfully no, if any serial killers are listening to this.
Speaker 5:Please do not serial gather all the wi-fi from the guards to listen to this episode.
Speaker 1:I don't know who's streaming your guys's podcast. Uh, mostly murderers.
Speaker 2:That tracks and it's murder, serial killers in moderation, oh, shit.
Speaker 3:I mean, they're already failing. If you're serial killing, it's not in moderation hey, there's some people still alive yeah, they can't kill everybody I guess, I guess, I guess serial killing is the moderation between a single murder and genocide there you go there, you go so pull pot, not in moderation, no, not at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just read my fairy, smut.
Speaker 4:Well, that's something that all women do.
Speaker 1:A lot of women don't like it and I'm like I can't relate.
Speaker 2:There are people that are tuning into this episode. I love these people. They teach me so much about weight loss and being good and and nutrition and such I think I'm like you guys, ever seen this hit com listen, we're all people too.
Speaker 5:We need to. Just, you know, fucking shoot the shit about nonsense. What's life without a little bit of that? That's all I'm saying we did.
Speaker 2:We paid our fitness educator taxes here for a little while and you got back in and we're like now we're going to have our fun.
Speaker 1:To be fair, it's like again we're relating to people who listen to documentaries and then women should have a healthy libido too. Yeah, women should have a healthy libido, so fairy smut is okay.
Speaker 2:Let me tie this all in really quick.
Speaker 1:I just tied it in. Get out of here, mike.
Speaker 2:I would tie it in even more when you're on a weight loss journey, you're trying to get healthier you don't always have to be thinking about weight loss and health and everything you should be watching british sitcoms sometimes you should go watch, are you being?
Speaker 3:served.
Speaker 2:If you have never seen it, I'm I promise you you will not regret it yeah, like this should not be the one thing that is completely dominating all of your thoughts.
Speaker 3:Maybe sometimes you should read some fairy smut it's really enlightening you know, alex, I'm sure if you ask any of my old gamer group, it used to be a thing like if we played anything that had a fairy in it, rob was playing that, but like it was only within the group because at that time I was like you know, oh, anything associated with fairies, if you're guy, it's gay, it's gay, it's gay what's funny is I've evolved from fairy smut to dragon rider smut so when someone is looking for this, do they just google fairy smut, or, honestly, you can google, fairy smut and akatar will for sure come up, which is a court of thorns and roses.
Speaker 1:That is the gateway book, drug um. But then from there you go to throne of glass, which is a little less smutty but very emotionally demanding. From there you go to fourth wing, which is the dragon rider smut, and that I already told my boyfriend.
Speaker 1:I was like january, by the way, guys, I have a boyfriend um january 21st is when the next book comes out, and I was like I will not be speaking to you for a day. And he's like you're gonna read that whole book in a day. And I was like, yes, not even a question, so that's how you get into it well my wife's into the murder mystery things.
Speaker 5:I still don't get it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1:Every girl I know is into that stuff A lot of people like it for like the empathy and like also for like safety purposes.
Speaker 2:It just gives me hope that one day I'll be on a podcast.
Speaker 3:Who are you? My cat's into salmon.
Speaker 1:Why, cause he's single because he's single.
Speaker 3:He like messaged me and he was like not me being jealous over here. The way you went after him, it's like whoa.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's because I kissed his neck and he was like wait a minute and I was like yes rob, what's your ranking?
Speaker 2:what's the in moderation ranking on the on the charts right now?
Speaker 1:we've got people listening right now, this very moment are you gonna try and like, are you gonna try and pimp, rob out right now?
Speaker 3:yes, I think okay good night everybody, I'm in control of the editing, so I'm cutting it right here rob length and width right now, tell us that's what you want to start with.
Speaker 1:He has a personality mike for him personally. Emotional intelligence, all of that is gay.
Speaker 5:Let me give you that L&W, please.
Speaker 2:It's the 2024 ASL. I've got a lesson that I teach that anything you want to be true at the end needs to be true at the beginning.
Speaker 4:Rob, I got some baguette underwear that women seem to like. Thank you.
Speaker 1:Bro, I like the mistletoe one. I think that one's classy, it's classy.
Speaker 4:Classy's a word, the baguette one got a lot of uh, a lot of female attention in my dms. I'm not surprised yeah, because you're comparing your slang to a baguette.
Speaker 1:It works, that's all I'm saying well, yeah, you're giving women the impression that your schlong is the size of a baguette and every every time they DM me that I respond saying, trust me, it's not that impressive. But it is yeasty ladies, ladies do not want yeast down there, man, we actually actively try to avoid that.
Speaker 2:That's why all my DMs are from men.
Speaker 1:Because you talk about yeast.
Speaker 2:I have no idea.
Speaker 5:I just get a lot of horny dms from men oh, listen, which my in my like early thirst trap days, it was mostly men occasionally I get a woman wandering in there.
Speaker 4:It's all men.
Speaker 1:I'll be honest I've never gotten a dick pic. The fact that you got one before me is horrible, is it actually?
Speaker 4:I'm not that sad it's.
Speaker 5:I wanted to get one first. Damn it, michael, I don't want it.
Speaker 4:I was getting off some sort of gay vibe because, like it literally happens to me every two weeks, every two weeks, yeah, like pretty frequently.
Speaker 1:Do you just are they like blurred images? And then you have to like, yeah, but I usually accept it because I'm like generally speaking.
Speaker 4:This could be something nice yeah or it could be, yeah, like some sort of like somebody trying to reach out for coaching or something like that.
Speaker 1:I don't know why are they sending you a picture? Why are they sending you a picture if they're applying for coaching?
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's a good question, but some people have sent legitimate pictures that are normal.
Speaker 1:The first time I thought I was going to get a well, not the first time. A couple months ago I thought I was going to get my first dick pic and I was like, oh, it's a picture and I like screen recorded. And I was like, all right, guys, this could be the moment he sent me like a little selfie of his face and he was just like hi, I just wanted to introduce myself. And it was like really sweet.
Speaker 4:And I was like, oh yeah, like I have people sending me pictures of like their cat and I'm like thanks, see, that's sweet, yeah, but like it's just like, that's what I mean, like that's why I accept those DMs, right, because I don't know what I'm getting.
Speaker 1:And then it goes from cat to schloss and then I'm just like I just get an eyeful of dong and I'm like oh shit, I don't need coffee anymore. I'm awake now.
Speaker 2:My DMs are a bustin' roulette of either it's going to be somebody sending me a pic, because sometimes people will make this wonderful art of the quotes that I'll say that's sweet, it's the greatest ever, but it's blurred. So I'm like, well, I'm either about to see something really sweet or someone's just like cranking the hog.
Speaker 1:Thanks for saying be kind to yourself. Have you actually gotten people like jerking themselves off?
Speaker 5:yeah, oh yeah, 100 I have. Here's the thing. Listen, I was watching on netflix, listen on netflix there was this whole thing about like the porn industry and like only fans and all that shit. And was I learned something in that? I was like that's wild. There was this woman on only fans. She started doing like rate my dick, where basically guys would just send her pictures and she would rate it, rate them on like different criteria and they would pay for this. Like they would pay like quite a bit of money for this and I was like that's wild. Like there's guys just like I just I want people to see this, I will pay for other people to see this, and so like it's just like they're gonna send them like that. Yeah, like make that money. I mean, I got, I got, I got.
Speaker 4:Uh, you know, I totally get it only friends all the time. I should make one and just be like okay, if you want to send me dick pics, this is how you're gonna pay to pay me you gotta pay.
Speaker 3:That makes pretty good money off of rating dick pics.
Speaker 5:That was the most wild. Thing. When I saw it I was like no shit, they will actually pay for that.
Speaker 4:You got to be pretty hard up to pay somebody to look at your dick for you.
Speaker 5:But there's so many, they're like, there's like women that are like I'm just, I'm booked, I'm booked to break my dick.
Speaker 4:I have no more space for it today.
Speaker 2:I gotta go. I've got a dick appointment later. Oh, you're having a date. No, I've just got a bunch of fucking dicks.
Speaker 3:I have to rate what's really great is this friend, that that I have, that does this is it, you, I was talking with.
Speaker 1:No, unfortunately, I don't make enough.
Speaker 3:I don't make that money I mean, hey, if people want to send me dick pics and have me rate them for money, I'll do it.
Speaker 5:It's not gay, I'll do it Whatever. It's not gay, you have to say no homo.
Speaker 3:This is great, because this is where I was going with this was we were talking about how I could actually just program an AI to learn to rate them for me and I could just feed it into the AI and they would spit it out a rating that was unique to them.
Speaker 4:I wouldn't need to have to touch it. That's way too much work. Just go generate a random description of a dick and then just paste it. They don't need accuracy with these people.
Speaker 1:Okay, but like okay. This is a real question based off of this conversation. What would you do? Like okay, but like okay. This is a real question based off of this conversation.
Speaker 3:What would you do if someone rated it poorly? Well, that depends on if you are into that or not.
Speaker 5:I guess some people are into that.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'd feel really like hurt, I'd be like I, just I was just born this way.
Speaker 2:What if, on top of that, I would start selling it? Well then, you'd pay somebody else to get a better rating.
Speaker 4:If you're paying top of that, well then you pay somebody else to get a better rating, paying somebody to look at your dick and rate it. Okay. That's a pretty good idea of what they're gonna say about it. Right, like you have to know roughly what their opinion is going to be otherwise.
Speaker 1:I mean, maybe they've never had it rated before and so this is like their opportunity to like figure out, like maybe this is why I've had trouble with women.
Speaker 4:No, okay, that's definitely the dick, not the personality, right if you're a dude and you're listening to this and you think you have trouble with women because of your cock, you don't know women.
Speaker 1:That's fair. That's fair, that's very valid.
Speaker 5:Oh shit, this is a weird conversation.
Speaker 3:Welcome to In Moderation.
Speaker 1:To be fair, when they were on my podcast, we talked about porn for like 20 minutes.
Speaker 3:Well, we were all surprised that you don't know any of it.
Speaker 1:I've never seen porn in my life.
Speaker 3:What we kept making references and Alex would be like what's that? Why?
Speaker 1:is that the appropriate reaction? Is it that?
Speaker 5:weird that I've never seen porn, because porn is half the world at this point, and just the fact that you've never seen it.
Speaker 3:Honestly, I'm both impressed and I encourage you to continue never looking at it but like what do I need to watch it for?
Speaker 1:because you don't need to. No, you shouldn't. I'm not saying to do it, I'm just saying the reaction is like what?
Speaker 2:because, like it's everywhere to find someone who's never even seen it at all now yeah, like it's never like come up on your screen by accident like you've not seen what are you looking up where it accidentally comes up you?
Speaker 5:Googled that. Penn Island, we'll come up.
Speaker 1:I like my, when I was in like uh, I think like eighth grade or something, my friends like looked it up on their computer and then she was like you need to see this thing. And I like saw it for like a couple, of couple seconds I literally couldn't even tell you what was on the screen.
Speaker 2:I was like, oh okay probably like a dick and boobs yeah, so that was the most I've like seen of it wait, wait, wait, wait.
Speaker 1:So you read smut, but you can't watch it it's not about can't, like it doesn't bother me, but like I don't. Respectfully, I don't need it and this isn't I.
Speaker 1:We had this conversation where people like explained it, but I was like I don't need it and this isn't I. We had this conversation where people like explained it, but I was like I don't need it to get turned on. I have a very healthy libido where I'm like regularly. No, it's just, my boyfriend knows I'm regular and so I'm like hey people who do watch it have more trouble getting turned on yeah, so that's. The interesting thing is like usually it ends up leading to like erectile dysfunction or again skewed perception of perception is a yeah, god
Speaker 2:yes yeah, like I'm watching it right now and I'm not hard at all case study right here but like that's my thing is so far everything that I've ever heard about it.
Speaker 1:It doesn't make me want to watch it that's fair, that's very fair that is very fair I mean, it's not like I encourage you to never watch it?
Speaker 4:I probably would.
Speaker 1:Also to be fair, for, like my fairy smut, I actually get like really I start skipping a lot of the like sex scenes if there's like a lot of them, because I'm like, okay, this just feels unnecessary, like I just I'm here for the storyline and like a little bit of fun, but then if it's like literally every other chapter, I'm like what is happening?
Speaker 2:like I don't love sex scenes in movies. I think it slows down the plot sometimes it's part of the plot well, if they imply it where it's like you know, they come and they kiss and then, like the, the camera goes up or something, so we don't have to fucking watch them for when it's like a really long sex scene.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean some of them are are almost necessary to the plot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like Game of Thrones, it made sense Like whole hogging it out. Do we need?
Speaker 5:that they make sense. Wall Street's a good one, yeah.
Speaker 2:Would it have been a worse product if you didn't see somebody's dick and everything.
Speaker 4:I've seen none of those, so I don't have an answer, at least in the respective Game of Thrones. I don't have an answer, at least in the respective Game of Thrones. I would say, yes, it would make it a worse product.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it made sense for some reason it's one of those TV shows or movies where, like everything's dog shit, like everything is awful.
Speaker 1:So this is the one thing we have did you just say Game of Thrones is everything's awful?
Speaker 5:no, I'm saying like in those worlds everything is awful, because we're fucking constantly getting pillaged by fucking pirates and shit or whatever is going on so like, yeah, let's just have some fun.
Speaker 4:Like you know, whatever drugs, sex For the record, I just started that show. I'm still in season one, so no spoilers.
Speaker 1:Oh wow. The spoiler is that season seven and season eight are terrible.
Speaker 5:I've heard that much. Yeah, go up to season six and you're good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Season six is great. Has my opinion, best villain.
Speaker 2:No porn spoilers either. Yeah, alex hasn't even started season one.
Speaker 4:yet I don't want to know circumcised or uncircumcised.
Speaker 5:I will find that out at the time. Thank you very much. I'm on season 27 of porn I'm assuming that's page 27 of porn hub oh my god, if you're on page 27, oh boy I really think you might want to reevaluate and just take a quick step back and be like where am I?
Speaker 2:what's going up here? This thing is ripe with sex scenes, the whole series. The plot is horrible, the acting is so fitness.
Speaker 1:It's great the workout.
Speaker 4:I mean I was 500 pounds. That's like getting to page 27 of Pornhub in fitness, but with food yeah, perfect analogy.
Speaker 1:I can't believe I made that joke. I feel like an asshole. I need to stop hanging out with you guys. So much. Okay, it's fine.
Speaker 3:You know, you love us.
Speaker 2:I do.
Speaker 3:I hope that the audience loves us too At this point. We lost the audience 30 minutes ago.
Speaker 5:Everybody's watching Heil Honey. I'm Home and I'm about to go. Do that too.
Speaker 2:They've had enough time to watch the whole episode and come back and we're still here.
Speaker 1:Did we want to like? Circle back to fitness stuff? Are we feeling good at?
Speaker 5:this point, we're so far gone, we're so far.
Speaker 2:Laughter is a great ab workout. I'll say that I'm hurting my blood pressure's real high. This is what high heart rate activity or whatever I actually tweaked my back on the weekend.
Speaker 3:So every time I laugh my back hurts and I'm like, oh, this is this, is this is fun this is fun.
Speaker 5:I think you're right though the mic, where you just, like you know when it comes to like you have a goal and you're just so focused on that you need other shit in your life like you can't just you can't just solely focus on that.
Speaker 2:You'll go crazy I'll tell you this I'm in a measured calorie deficit for the first time in a very long time and I'm not a person who really thinks much about food anymore. This is from somebody whose food noise was like two megaphones against my face, and now it's like when I have a craving I can tell between a passing fancy and something I truly want. But now that I'm in a measured calorie deficit, I'm thinking about my food. I'm thinking about food all the damn time now.
Speaker 1:Oh really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:How big is your deficit?
Speaker 2:It's not much, it's not hungry and we're back. It's not that I'm hungry because I'm not hungry. I'm very slow about this. It's not a big deal, like I'm not trying to trim 50 pounds or something, I just want to trim five or 10 pounds. It's not a big deal, like I'm not trying to trim 50 pounds or something, I just want to trim five or ten pounds. It's not much.
Speaker 1:um, ten pounds is even too much so why do you feel like you're thinking about food so much?
Speaker 2:because I'm thinking about food a lot it's just like there's it's because I think, it's because I'm more focused on it that I'm thinking about it more so sorry no, just go on so I was gonna.
Speaker 1:So you said you feel like you're thinking about food more, but you don't feel like you're that hungry. So it's probably not like hunger related food noise. And so then do you feel like it's because you're having to be more methodical about hitting your specific macronutrients, so you're trying to be more specific about like your meals.
Speaker 2:I'm not even worried about my macro so much because my protein's always been on point, so that's fine. I'm just trying to make sure that I'm not going over a certain window of a number and that's it. But I find that just the extra thought is making me think about food more and it's making me a little bit more snacky. Now I don't act on it, but I think about it. So I'm thinking to people who have less experience with this than I do and have less coping tools and mechanisms to be thinking about. Just the calorie deficit and your body in general in a period like this can be really detrimental. You have to focus on other things around it or you're going to drive yourself crazy.
Speaker 1:It's wild how having hobbies is like not a thing for many people anymore yeah, like people think that, like I'll talk about that, you drew about the guitar. Well, yeah, and like so many people, go straight to doom scrolling and they're like oh, no, I'm filling my time, or porn, and they're like I'm filling my time with this.
Speaker 3:I'm actually being serious about that?
Speaker 1:no, I know, yeah, I mean, yeah, I used to as well yeah, no, I, I know that that's a true thing, hence why I'm also like I don't see the reason for porn. I don't drink, I don't do drugs. I like I am just like what are these things that are just filling time rather than being like intentional about? Like that's why I read not just fairy smut but other stuff. But also like I literally have clients who I'm like hey, why don't you try like coloring or doing like a puzzle or doing Legos? And at first they're like that just sounds so ridiculous. And I'm like put on a show or something in the bag and just try it. And then they're like wow, I'm so much happier.
Speaker 5:It goes both ways too, for like losing weight, but also for like young guys. You get in the gym and you're like I want to build as much muscle as possible, and like that leads one place only as possible, and like that leads one place, only one place, and that's taking steroids. If your only goal in life is to put on as much muscle as possible, that's where that leads. You need to have other things in your life, other goals and hobbies, whatever it is.
Speaker 1:That can be taken to women too. It's like all you want to do is look a certain way, and that's why so many women end up like they're in the gym seven days a week for hours, and they're also like heavily restricting themselves. And the second you're like hey, you know, you could actually probably maintain the physique that you have, doing like half the movement and just adjusting your nutrition a little bit. And then suddenly they have like I have clients all the time who are like I have so much free time, I don't know what to do with it. And I'm like spend time with your family, pick up hobbies, do do anything else with your life. And then they're like oh right, whoa crazy, we're such simple animals.
Speaker 2:We are such simple animals we can be distracted much easier than we believe, like when it's in on the top of our minds, like hey, don't think about a pink elephant right now everybody's thinking about, but none of you are thinking about the conversation we had about Lord of the Rings ten minutes ago.
Speaker 1:I am. I'm still thinking about the porn conversation. I'm going to forget Heil Hitler.
Speaker 3:None of us are going to forget Heil Hitler. That too.
Speaker 2:I wasn't thinking about that before. You just mentioned it, but now I'm going to be thinking about it for a little while, but five minutes from now, when we've talked about something equally as ridiculous, if that's possible I will have forgotten about it, and so it's not going to feel easy at first, but distracting yourself with things that are good and wholesome and fun maybe not porn is a really good thing if you feel like the calorie deficits weighing on you, the fitness is weighing on you, and then also we may have to reevaluate our habits because you might be going too hard, but and put those things around you, Like the people who do get to see us on YouTube.
Speaker 3:Me and Mike both have guitars right there within reach, Always behind me.
Speaker 1:My coloring book is like right on my, like right in my table, because my table opens, so I'm just like I just grab it out of there whenever I need to and just start doodling.
Speaker 5:My daughter has legs and she's constantly just at my feet. Hard to forget.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if you guys need to just have a kid.
Speaker 5:Have a child.
Speaker 1:They will take up all your time.
Speaker 2:Is it ethical to put a Fitbit on a toddler? Can we get like a step count?
Speaker 1:I don't see why it wouldn't be. It's not like you're telling the kid to track their calories.
Speaker 5:I just want to know what an ugly step count is. Maybe not around the neck, but you could put it around. That might not be ethical.
Speaker 1:You could put my dog collar on it. I track my dog steps. Why do you track your dog steps?
Speaker 2:Why do you, oh, that's ugly.
Speaker 1:Jeez, my friend gave it to me because they were just curious because I'm so active. They were like how much does your dog move in a day? My dog gets like 60,000 steps a day, wow.
Speaker 3:That's pretty insane. Well, because I?
Speaker 1:take her to play Frisbee. I take her on a three-mile walk every day.
Speaker 2:Well, that's four legs.
Speaker 1:Then it is four legs.
Speaker 2:So it's like 30,000 steps.
Speaker 4:I don't know how many is that in dog?
Speaker 2:steps, dog steps to human steps.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I get like 14,000 steps a day. I'm an active human, I'm a moving human, but that's actually a good point. I used to be the person who would just sit around and do nothing all day, and if you would ask me in high school what I would be doing for my life, being in fitness was definitely not one of them, considering I failed PE.
Speaker 4:If you asked, me what I would count as being in fitness, it would not be my answer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we had to count one, two, three to get up out of a chair. There was no chance that I ever thought I was going to help people lose weight. You got to sit in chairs. No, like I need to sit in the booth because there's my muffin top, won't muffin, but then I won't be able to sit because of the table. Yeah, it's awful.
Speaker 4:I still get terrified of booths man. I've not been big for years and I still get nervous Because I legitimately couldn't fit in them. So every time I go to a restaurant now and they sit us in a booth, I sit down and I'm always a little shocked that I fit and usually I fit obviously with plenty of room, but for a long time I legitimately could not sit in a booth.
Speaker 2:How are planes for you now?
Speaker 4:Great. I just got back from Vegas. I get to do the whole pulling out the seatbelt thing and feel nice that I have all this extra room. Yeah, I mean, I didn't fly when I was 500 plus so I, um, you know, I went like 12 years without being on a plane. Even so, um, yeah, cause I I remember flying when I was at like 400 something and needing like the seatbelt extender and the person next to me I'm like spilling over into their seat. It sucked and it was hard, but being able to fly now is just such a rewarding feeling and it's one of those. You know, we talked earlier about how I'm like, really like focused on trying to experience life and go and do things. It's because now I can Right, for the longest time I couldn't.
Speaker 1:What do you think you're most excited to like experience? I don't know that. I want to answer that. Uh, it's drugs, isn't it?
Speaker 2:we just talked about heil hitler. We talked about porn. Sure, the drug dealer is really fat phobic.
Speaker 1:No, no, but also uh didn't let you buy drugs is removed oh yeah interesting?
Speaker 4:yeah, just because I've never been in that position where I feel as comfortable in my body as Plus you get to explore new positions. Exactly. So I mean like I'm pretty comfortable in my body now, obviously, if any. I mean you've seen my content. So I'm pretty comfortable in my body, but I don't really feel sexy. I guess I'm happy with who I am, I love my body, but I don't feel sexy. I know that feeling.
Speaker 1:I'm still working on that it's different, it's very vulnerable because that's a different thing to be doing than just like standing around in a bikini or like boxers or whatever. Because it's like again you're being like intimate with somebody and then also like you're doing these positions and there's all this stuff happening and it's like, yeah, it's very vulnerable yeah, you have all these weird ideas of how things should be because you've watched too much porn or you have no idea how things should be because you've never seen porn.
Speaker 2:That's a huge thing. There is a whole bunch of people who just have. They've never talked about it because you're just supposed to know when you arrive, but the way that you're supposed to know is from watching porn, which is a performance. So we just have in the United States I'm sure it's probably similar in Canada an awful purity culture that has really kneecapped a lot of people.
Speaker 1:Well, because I understand where, like yeah, there are certain people you don't want to talk to about it. I personally don't want to talk to my parents, but there are some people who have great relationships with their parents and they literally learn from their parents things to do and stuff with their parents and they like literally learned from their parents kind of like things to do and stuff, um. But also some people won't even talk to their partners about like what they like how things feel like what makes them feel good and they're like scared to do that.
Speaker 1:And I think it's so important to have open, honest communication with your partner because, like, how else are you gonna know what like works and what doesn't, or what they actually like, even if you're learning from porn, like I know we're making jokes, but like, just because maybe something seemed like it felt good for those people doesn't mean that that person's going to like it or it's actually a good thing they could have just been faking it in porn.
Speaker 4:Yeah yeah, it's often the case.
Speaker 1:Communication is key y'all.
Speaker 4:And that's in a lot of people's hearts. But they're faking almost everything in porn, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:And you don't get your own personal fluffer in real life.
Speaker 4:I mean some people probably do, to be fair.
Speaker 2:Oh well, yeah, I guess. Yeah, you got Paul Saladino money. I'm not saying he does it, I'm just saying he could afford it. If that suited his fancy, he could probably.
Speaker 4:Allegedly, I'm just kidding afford it, if that suited his fancy.
Speaker 2:He could probably allegedly I'm not saying he has it he's about to blow his carnivore load is what he's gonna do.
Speaker 1:Um, I do. I do really appreciate you sharing that, though, because that's something that, like, I've never really thought about or considered, and there's probably other people out there who are probably thinking the same thing, and even like with, like Mike, rob and I. Liam was awfully quiet when we all said that we felt so insecure.
Speaker 5:So I'm proud of Liam for being secure in himself. I've always been pretty secure in myself. I'm not going to lie, but like I know a lot of people struggle with, that Must be nice.
Speaker 1:But yeah, there's a lot of people who do feel insecure about stuff like that, and it's like you're not alone, and that's the other thing too is, I think, obviously being different sizes. Obviously and we're talking about body sizes here. I know everyone's minds in the gutter from everything else that we talked about but, like, being different body sizes is obviously going to bring different difficulties and different perspectives and things. But regardless of like whether someone is a beauty standard or overweight or underweight or whatever it is, there's still similarities with like insecurities and things like that that can come up. And I think that it's important to normalize that, because even online, I see people skinny shame and I see people like get mad at other people for having insecurities like their stomach when they're already in like a smaller body. But like that's just that's that's who they are as a human. It doesn't mean that they're bad or wrong for it.
Speaker 5:So I think it's important to have these ties into the social media thing where you see people Cause no, I mean I have had issues with like. You know you're younger, teenager. You know like a guy you see like all the fitness models and stuff like that just like super jacked. You know like, oh, definitely have to. You know, like, oh, definitely have to. You know I, you know I have to put on a ton, of ton of size and do this and do that. So you know, I think I think that is something that pretty much everyone can relate to, at least somewhat.
Speaker 3:Yeah, social media, yeah even then, you learn to just put the bar on the floor they put the bar on the floor.
Speaker 5:Man, I'm telling you, it's the best way that is what I said.
Speaker 1:I was like when I started dating this man, the bar was in hell and this man has raised it so high and I was like, wow.
Speaker 5:See, there you go, and aren't you pleasantly surprised now.
Speaker 1:I'm so pleasantly surprised. I'm like hey, I'm like he told me I look nice, that's really nice, yeah, it's a joke.
Speaker 4:You're welcome for that. That's a very low bar there.
Speaker 5:Alex, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:You're new here, but Liam put the bar in hell. You need the bar low.
Speaker 5:You can step over it, and then everyone's happy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Are we feeling good guys? We've been talking for like two hours.
Speaker 2:I love talking to you guys.
Speaker 1:I love talking to you guys too. It is my bedtime because oakley wakes up at like five five.
Speaker 3:I love this for liam. This is so exciting.
Speaker 5:Alex schedule yeah I'm waking up fucking bitch ass early.
Speaker 2:It sucks, I don't like it, but I deal with it uh five thirty is too early in the morning is finally getting if the sun isn't up, why?
Speaker 5:why am I?
Speaker 1:Oh, no, he's not getting up. I love getting up before the sun and then watching a beautiful sunrise with my coffee. The little things in life.
Speaker 3:I also get up before the sun.
Speaker 1:That's because you guys have no sun.
Speaker 4:I also get up before the sun, because I have to friggin' work 4 am.
Speaker 2:I wake up gasping from a night terror, and then I peel my eyes open as the sand has glued them shut. And then I roll over to my phone because we're all hopelessly addicted to our phones and I see your ass on the thing going fucking unposed and unbothered. Four in the fucking morning, You're like about to get my second workout and I just start screaming fuck you. Ok, first of all, wakes up, she's like what happened? What happened? Nothing, it was just a nightmare.
Speaker 4:He's not wrong the fact that you put those at four in the morning. I'm always like what the fuck, Alex, Go to bed.
Speaker 1:I think that was the thing that surprised Joey the most is like, literally I would wake up and I would just hop out of bed and I have so much energy and and I'm like, yeah, I'm awake, I'm ready.
Speaker 2:What happened to setting the bar in hell?
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right.
Speaker 2:When I wake up.
Speaker 1:I'm really tired and it's really hard for me to get out of bed.
Speaker 5:I like that much better.
Speaker 1:I've always been a morning person. That's all I have to say.
Speaker 4:I wish I could be a morning person.
Speaker 1:I tell everyone that. But I hate it because I can't sleep in. Literally I have to take sleep supplements to get me to sleep in. So I tell people I'm like it's just how my body is and it's cool because it's nice when I do get enough sleep. If I don't get enough sleep, it sucks. So pick your battles, people. You don't have to wake up at the same time as me. I'm glad I can grace your feed early.
Speaker 2:I do look forward to those every morning, Alex. It's a pre-show for the rest of us.
Speaker 1:There you go, there you go. All right, liam and I have bedtime.
Speaker 5:Yep, I got to go to bed, we'll sign off.
Speaker 1:I love this.
Speaker 2:Jesse, thank you for joining us for this crazy roundtable.
Speaker 5:Yeah, it's very fun. It's an interesting discussion.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the crew. Don't be a dick Tell.
Speaker 1:Right, none of us said that. Jesse said that actually in the beginning. Yeah, I did so he got it in before everyone tuned out.
Speaker 4:That's right. What did he say I gave when we did the short introduction? I said my socials progressiveoverhaul on all platforms, even though I don't really upload most of my stuff to TikTok because TikTok hates me. So you know, go to.
Speaker 3:Instagram. Well, tiktok hates all Canadians at this point, yeah.
Speaker 4:Not for long.
Speaker 1:I firmly believe that Once it's gone for us, they're going to go for the Canadians.
Speaker 3:It's already gone to Canada.
Speaker 1:What they took it down you guys can't go on TikTok, our government already kicked TikTok Canada out of Canada. So what do you guys use? This is a whole conversation. I apologize. You can find me on Instagram and TikTok under TheAlexAllen. Mike needs a plan.
Speaker 2:That's me. Be kind to yourselves everybody.
Speaker 1:Don't be a dick.
Speaker 4:Don't be a dick. Don't be a dick Unless it's being rated.
