In Moderation
Providing health, nutrition and fitness advice in moderate amounts to help you live your best life.
Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
In Moderation
Dietitian Diaries: Gender Gaps, Garden Hacks, and Peanut Butter Chats With Jen Rock
Can gender dynamics in dietetics be traced back to ancient perceptions of "women's work"? This episode kicks off with our guest, Jen, a registered dietitian, shedding light on the gender disparity within the field and the critical role dietitians play, often underappreciated, in healthcare. We tackle the amusing yet serious challenge of wellness influencers who muddy the waters with misinformation, comparing it to how everyone feels like a sleep expert simply because they sleep. With humor and insight, we navigate the societal attitudes surrounding dietetics and the distinct challenges faced by healthcare professionals.
Embrace the marvels of modern agriculture as we highlight the upsides of GMOs in overcoming historical agricultural obstacles. From personal food quirks to practical gardening hacks, this episode has it all. Discover why we think starting a garden with herbs and leafy greens is a smart move, and hear us humorously complain about the trials of growing carrots. A quiz-style segment pits our nutritional knowledge against expert advice, underscoring the importance of fruits and vegetables in our diets, while also revealing the common misconceptions people hold about healthy eating.
Ever had an awkward moment when someone asked for free professional advice at a party? We share hilarious anecdotes about these social interactions, especially when people discover one is a dietitian. From unprompted weight loss queries to unexpected dating app exchanges, these tales offer a lighthearted look at the social challenges that come with certain professions. We also explore the world of content creation, emphasizing the importance of authenticity over clout and poking fun at diet fads and misinformation. All this leads to a lively discussion about peanut butter, ice cream, and the joys of simply savoring the foods we love.
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Welcome back to, not episode 69 of In Moderation, unfortunately.
Speaker 2:Welcome to episode 69 minus two, because this is episode two. Good enough, that's what we're going to. We're just going to say 69 minus 169, 69 plus 169 plus two, and we're just, and that is going to be our system moving forward. I've already decided it's base 69, base yes, right.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 2:We have freedom units in America, we have, you know, the, the, what, the metric system everywhere else, and then we have our system, which is just bases of 69.
Speaker 1:You know it's going to take off. Everybody's going to love it.
Speaker 2:We're going to hit the 13 year old male demographic real fucking hard, Heck yeah.
Speaker 3:Are you kidding? We're going to hit the 40 year old male demographic.
Speaker 2:That's pretty much pretty much all males. We're good we got this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, well, that's okay. We were lacking in male viewers. Most of our viewers were female, so we needed to make up the difference.
Speaker 2:somehow Are most of our listeners. Have you seen the numbers? Yes, what percentage?
Speaker 1:is it? What's the it's roughly 60-40.
Speaker 2:60-40. 60-40? Interesting, that's pretty. This leads me to my next question. Hey Chen, you're a registered dietitian. We'll get into your thing in a second here. But why is the registered dietitian field so female-dominated? What's up with that?
Speaker 3:Well, I know that it is viewed as women's work. There's a lot of sexism in dietetics and other medical professions. Often don't take us seriously so and it's it's like nursing, where nurses are like the backbone of a hospital but, they're not seen as that either, and it's seen as women's work I feel like.
Speaker 2:I think like nurses are getting more recognition over time, like they're slowly getting more like, but we're not especially like covid have, like those sort of things happen, but I don't think.
Speaker 1:I think nurses are getting more recognition over time. They're slowly getting more, I think especially after COVID COVID.
Speaker 2:those sort of things happen, but I don't think dieticians are. I feel like they should have gotten there because of what America is eating.
Speaker 1:Is this like the next step of get in the kitchen? Now? It's like.
Speaker 3:It's been this way forever. The dietetics profession was started by a woman and they found that this is, I believe, back in the early 1900s. Please don't quote me because I I learned this in grad school. I can't remember anything anymore but they were finding that when there were interventions done with the food that was fed to people in hospitals, they lived longer and that kind of jumpstarted the dietetics profession. I believe the woman who started it also invented chocolate chip cookies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm gonna look this up. That's great.
Speaker 1:I do believe that is true, but so does that mean chocolate chip cookies make. You are good.
Speaker 2:Okay, good for you.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna say yes, yes, definitely as a professional opinion here.
Speaker 2:Interesting. So I mean, do you think you'll get there with time? Do you think it'll like level out more, you know, like male, female, like with time.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I mean, I meet so few men in my graduating class. In grad school I knew two men and that was out of 60 candidates on my class.
Speaker 2:Wow, it's interesting because I only I only met like Zach Cohen and there's like, I think, like another male, a couple other male dietitian. So I thought it was like actually pretty even. And then I learned more. I was like, oh shit, no, it's not like even at all.
Speaker 3:No. So it's a look down upon field. I've worked in enough hospitals with enough doctors who kind of shrugged me off to know that too. And it's a bummer because it is work that is life-saving and life-changing and can really boost someone's longevity I mean seriously, like no, the talk now is about our diet.
Speaker 2:How terrible it is this and that. Like a lot of food, let thy food be thy medicine. Like I'm seeing that like bb bop I go to bb bop they got that hippocrates quote or whatever on the wall. Like I feel like we're starting to really say, hey, diet's important. So I feel like dietitians should be able to get some of the get some of the clout with that or whatever it is, Unfortunately, diet's important If it comes from a wellness influencer maybe it's, yeah, maybe it's just like the wellness thing.
Speaker 3:The thing that I have been fighting for years, even before the rise of the wellness influencer, because I got my RD in 2013, when wellness influencers were in their infancy, but people still thought they knew more because they saw something on an internet or they did something for themselves.
Speaker 3:I came into dietetics, with Atkins diet being a raging thing and keto being on the rise and paleo was huge when I was in grad school, okay, and people already had that attitude of I know more than I know the secret. There's a very narcissistic attitude of I know a secret that no one's telling anyone else and I can help fix everyone.
Speaker 2:Okay, hear me out here. I think it's because part of the reason it's I'm sure there's a lot of reasons, but it's eating is something we all do, but pretty much all of us do. We'll just say we all eat, right. So, whatever we all do, we all think we're like an expert in it Like I worked in sleep medicine for years, right, an expert in it. Like I worked in sleep medicine for years, right. So like I, you know, learn all about sleep and this. And that I get people coming in they're like, oh no, I know all this stuff.
Speaker 2:I'm like, no, you're, you don't know shit about your sleep first of all, you don't know what's going on when you sleep, but you think you do, but you don't right, and because it's because you sleep every night, so you think, so you eat every day, so you're like okay, so I understand, it's like well, that's a little more more nuanced to this, so I feel like anything. But whereas, like, if you have like a tumor we don't all just deal with like tumors every day and shit like that you go to someone and you get a tumor taken care of right like that.
Speaker 3:I feel like that's part you are dead on about that, because eating is a thing everyone has to do. Everyone feels to a degree that they know exactly what they're doing, or they and I have seen countless patients who come in and go I know what I I'm supposed to be doing and I said, of course you do. Everybody knows that they should eat. Well, not everybody anymore, because everything's ruined Right, right, right, but most people know they should eat fruits and vegetables and they don't.
Speaker 3:And I tell people that's really like 30% of the problem and the other 70 is there's psychological components, there's genetic components, there's environmental components. There's psychological components, there's genetic components, there's environmental components, there's economic components. It's not about just what you know, and luckily I'm really blessed with the people who I see come in with the awareness that they're clearly missing something. But I meet just as many people on the street if I introduce myself as a dietician and they're like oh well, did you know that if you eat nothing but butter, it will make all of the inflammation?
Speaker 2:go away. The problem is our primary energy source. Once we knock that out, all these just goes away like that Amazing. Well, anyway, Jen, we kind of went on for a while there. Do you want to like introduce yourself? I just kind of went into it.
Speaker 3:Sure, so I'm Jen. I am a registered dietitian from New York. I specialize in a lot of random things. I was telling Rob before we started because I've had a 12 year career now. So I have worked with people living with HIV for years. Then I went into adolescent psych inpatient and did that work for several years and then I was basically burnt out on public health. So I started my own practice and I specialize now in healthy weight, healthy eating.
Speaker 3:Someone comes to me and says I eat terribly and I help fix that. I'm vegan and vegetarian friendly, Although if you put any food in front of me I'll eat it. I am an omnivore, but I really respect vegans and want to make sure that they get the same care and are not told they have to start eating meat to be healthy. I do what I call baby sports nutrition because I work with high school athletes a lot. I've never worked with professional athletes, but I help high school athletes get healthy and generally I just really like to show people that you can enjoy food and eat healthy and it doesn't have to be either or or a miserable experience or a diet that just makes you feel sick, but a lifestyle change that can make you feel your best.
Speaker 2:Is that why you started doing social media? Just to try and like give some of those tips and whatnot?
Speaker 3:Exactly, and I share a lot with my garden. I grow a lot of my own food, and I did that because when I was in grad school, my whole dissertation was on connecting people more to their food and where it comes from, because they might be more interested in eating it.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:So I put a lot of garden content on what I do as well.
Speaker 2:I feel like that is a kind of an issue we get very disconnected from. Like you go to the grocery store and there's just this like container that has energy in it and then you consume said energy, but there's really, like that, a complete disconnect from and whether it's animal source, plant source, whatever we're just like yeah, I don't know, it just shows up at the store.
Speaker 3:Yep, when I worked in adolescent psych. These are kids who lived in a psych facility, went to school there and never left, and they were also inner city kids and I started a roof garden there because none of them had seen a vegetable or where it came from. Started a roof garden there because none of them had seen a vegetable or where it came from. They were they would refer to like any kind of greens, as salad, like a spinach salad.
Speaker 2:Cause they haven't seen it Like they just. I've seen videos where there's like a kid look. He's like, hey, what's that? And the kid with the guy was eating broccoli. He's like I've never seen that before, like where they live.
Speaker 3:they just don't have access to those foods, or they'd be shocked that it comes from dirt. They'd be like my food was in the dirt. So I love doing all sorts of that.
Speaker 2:I kind of span a lot of different sections now, but I love it. Has growing your own food kind of taught you anything that maybe before you didn't really like think about, or like you know it's just maybe made you think about something more.
Speaker 3:It's a good question. I've been so. I used to garden with my mom as a kid and I kind of carried that love into adulthood. Um, as I've grown my own food, uh, I've really learned a lot about failure is a part of the process. Oh yeah, because things go wrong so often I've, I've grown.
Speaker 2:I've had a garden for the last like few years, like a small one, like I just do a real small one, and I've I've very much learned this. Like you do one, like I just do a real small one, and I very much learned this. Like you do one thing wrong, you're like, oh, that's ruined this entire batch that I was trying to grow.
Speaker 3:This past year. I made an entire video about massive fails, because everything was going wrong at once this year and I still managed to pull vegetables out of it in the end, but it was just like oh, hey, if you grow a garden near a tree, the tree will invade and kill your garden.
Speaker 2:That's fun. Can we all just acknowledge, then, that GMOs are amazing and how awesome they are Because they allow us to actually grow food that actually grows, instead of just having, like a little thing, make everything go wrong? Because this is like you know, like I love history, I'm always listening to history podcasts and it's always just like oh, and then this, this one, I don't know, the, the locusts came, or fucking like this one invasive species came and all the food went away, all the wheat died and every and thousands and thousands of people starved to death because of that, and now we just have. We're just like, oh well, let's just do this, all right. Well, okay, you know the bananas. That type of banana didn't work. We're gonna do a different banana. Grant michelle's out. Okay, we're cavendish. Get in there, buddy, you got this like.
Speaker 1:I feel like if more people did their own gardening, they definitely have a a different view of pesticides.
Speaker 3:And yes, yes, I was gonna say I have more respect for pesticide use, because it is impossible to grow something like a strawberry if you don't use something right, and it's not like we're saying we should dump pesticides everywhere, but I mean, I'm saying, I'm saying not even on gardens I'm saying we should dump pesticides literally everywhere old folks saying that children's hospitals.
Speaker 2:It should just be okay paul saladino's house we can start there.
Speaker 1:Okay, agreed.
Speaker 3:But I've had ridiculous like I had an issue where pillbugs pillbugs are the beloved bug of the bug world. I think we all grow up. We see the roly polies, we love them.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Those fuckers destroyed everything in my garden and I had to start I organic garden, so I was putting down the organic stuff which still says if you touch this, wash your hands or it could kill you. Yeah, and that's how I teach other people Please stop focusing on organics. If you can't afford it, just buy what you can. But I had to eradicate roly polies of all things because they were eating everything that I grew Damn yeah.
Speaker 2:So like we, we come a long way. We're like you know, like I appreciate and like listen. And so here's the thing like the people that like own the gmos, like yeah, they're shitheads, and like I totally get that they push out like small businesses and they treat like all these things like yeah, that's humans, like humans suck right, no matter what field this is. If, if there's money involved, then humans are going to fucking, are going to do some shit Tales olden time. But like the GMOs themselves, that's pretty cool. Like we're like removing cyanide from like one of those that you could not. Well, yuka, yuka or Yaka is the same thing as as, as cassava, that's, that's right. I think this is the same thing. Anyway, we're like removing, like the cyanide from them or whatever, so they can actually be used Using genetic engineering, like gene splicing. It's fucking awesome. Listen, I just want to say I love modernity. All right, all you fucking people talking about like oh, we're going back to our ancestors Hell, no, you poop in a bucket.
Speaker 2:I'm going to eat my banana. That is a fucking clone of every other banana. That's totally fine. That's full of sugar, I don't give a shit. It tastes good and like you. Have you seen the, the ancestor of the banana?
Speaker 3:that shit looked awful, terrible banana seeds oh, but have you?
Speaker 2:it's mostly seeds and there's like a tiny bit of banana flesh, like just enough for like apes to be like. Oh, I'll pick this up, like no, I want to be able to just open up my banana peel, eat done.
Speaker 3:What's really wild, though, is that we're still doing some of the mistakes that we should not be doing anymore, which leads to those famines, which is let's just have one type of thing that we mass produce and give to everyone.
Speaker 2:I do get that I did traveling in Peru Because it's cheap. I do get that I did traveling in Peru Because it's cheap.
Speaker 3:Yeah, one of the gimmicks when you travel in a tour group in Peru is at one point they'll put like a stack of bananas in your lap and there are like 12 different ones that all look totally different but they don't have the seeds and they all taste great. It's just like there's a small red one and there's a skinny green one, oh God.
Speaker 1:I was doing volunteer work in the Amazon in Peru and of course that meant having to face the bananas. Oh yeah right, I forgot you hate bananas.
Speaker 2:I just blocked that from my memory, but anyway. So yes, wait, I need to know more.
Speaker 3:You hate bananas, he hates bananas. It's a whole thing. We're not getting into Rob's banana hate.
Speaker 2:It's stupid and no one else agrees. He doesn't like the texture of it, fine, I also don't like. You know, oysters, we all have the things that we just, you know, don't like, or whatever.
Speaker 3:I will literally eat almost anything. The one thing I will not eat is hot dogs. That's what I hate, hot dogs.
Speaker 2:And it's just not American enough, are you just not?
Speaker 3:I think the problem is it's too American, too American, I don't, it's okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Uh, okay. So oh, I was going to ask you before we move on from the gardening Is there anything like you recommend? Like starting with gardening way from your experience with it? Like, if people are like, I wouldn't mind making a small thing.
Speaker 3:I think start with herbs. They can be very friendly to error, um, and they can be indoors or outdoors. So if you don't have land, they're very friendly to just putting on a windowsill, and then you can kind of extend that into leafy things like lettuces, which grow really fast.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:And can be indoors or outdoors. And then radishes, because they grow the fastest out of anything I've ever seen.
Speaker 2:Radishes grow super fast. Here's my thought process, though. Okay, so hear me out here. Okay, I'm all like it's listen, I'm about saving money. You see, if you see any of my videos, I'm always about like clearing section, shit like that. Am I gonna grow a fucking carrot? Like, do you know how cheap carrots are at the store? They basically pay you to take them away and I'm going to reserve some of my space to grow carrots. That would a carrot that would cost me what? Three pennies at the store. No, and so radishes, carrots, even potatoes. I love potatoes. I just bought a five pound bag of potatoes for three dollars. You know what space they take up, take up, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna reserve space in my garden. No, what costs more? Right, what costs more? Lettuce? That shit like so, especially some like spring mixes and whatnot. Those can be kind of expensive. So I'm like okay, I'll grow that. I don't mind growing that.
Speaker 3:Um, I don't remember so I will give you a cost-saving tip, though, if you do want to grow potatoes, because what I end up doing is buying potatoes and forgetting they exist, and then they become aliens inside my cabinet, can you just throw them in the ground? You, you can. Okay, you can actually every eye becomes a new potato plant, so you can cut them up into pieces and then you will grow like 16 potato plants off one potato Okay.
Speaker 2:So if you've just got the space, you know like, as long as space isn't like super tight, you know then throw some potatoes in the ground. I grew sweet potatoes one year. It actually did really well, so that was kind of cool and they were like super. It's just when you grow something fresh. It is just kind of different. People like, oh, I'm from this country and here we get dragon fruit fresh or whatever, and it's delicious. I'm like I totally believe you, because once it's shipped to 80,000 miles toward my fucking columbus, ohio, it already tastes terrible. So you know growing it yourself like. I've tried to grow berries, though, and that shit sucks. They don't grow half worth a damn they get like, yeah, I have.
Speaker 3:I have had one year of good strawberries and since then you know what's really good. I really recommend them.
Speaker 2:Um is uh ground cherries ground cherries yeah, so they're made out of the ground. They are.
Speaker 3:This is a weird transition, but they are a cousin of tomatoes. They are related to tomatillos, but they taste like a combination of sorry rob banana and pineapple they grow in these little lanterns. They're like a trop like they're kind of tropical, but they'll grow in a temperate climate all summer and if you want to bring them inside in a pot, you can do that. What the fuck are they?
Speaker 2:looking these up. They're weird as hell. What is this? They grow in a little lantern, like. If you want to bring them inside in a pot, you can do that. What the fuck are they? I'm looking these up. They're weird as hell. What is this?
Speaker 3:They grow in a little lantern, like if you've ever seen a tomatillo.
Speaker 2:They're little tomatoes.
Speaker 3:They are in the same family and if you've ever seen a tomatillo, they grow in a lantern.
Speaker 2:If you've ever seen a cherry tomato, it looks like that is what I'm saying. Tomatillos grow in these paper lanterns and they are like a miniature version of that?
Speaker 3:yeah, they're in a little fucking lantern, what the hell. And where I have failed with every berry?
Speaker 2:this wouldn't stop growing okay, I will look into this, because I'm always into things that like cost more at the store. But I can grow myself. That's, that's what I'm gonna grow. I'm not gonna grow a goddamn cucumber. Get out of here with this. Cucumber seeds, zucchini.
Speaker 3:Zucchini is one of the hardest ones to grow. It's just heartbreak all the way around.
Speaker 2:So I grew zucchini one year and it took over, it just took over my entire garden. It just went and then, I had a bunch of them and they just wouldn't stop growing. And like I, that was that was the problem, was they just? They just beat up all my other plants.
Speaker 3:Well, you got lucky, because what usually happens, is squash vine borers or squash bugs or both will invade and they will just kill the whole crop. Okay, I literally sat there last summer doing surgery, where I'd take tweezers pulling the larva out and then I'd literally take a syringe and put my organic pesticide inside. It was just a whole operation to keep my plants alive.
Speaker 1:Damn. Did you have scrubs and everything while you were doing this? I should have Shame Out back doing some sort of operation on your plants.
Speaker 3:It literally felt like that I would take a knife and I'd cut open the thing and then I would go searching for the bug and pull it out. It was, it was and it was gross.
Speaker 2:So, before we move on from gardening, is there anything else you wanted to say about gardening or anything like that? You want to tell anything you want to tell people about?
Speaker 3:um it. Gardening is a less. Again, it is a lesson in learning that failure is part of the process. But uh it, it can be worth it. It and things do taste better when you grow them yourself. Um, but it can also be really hard. So I totally respect people who are like. This is not for me.
Speaker 2:Start with herbs and then grow things that are expensive. That's what I say Don't be growing carrots.
Speaker 3:Carrots are hard to grow too.
Speaker 2:I'm like. Why would I waste my time with?
Speaker 3:it, mine are all about that, long or smaller.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like I can buy a big old bugs bunny carrot for 20s for for for pennies anyway, um, I looked up. I looked up before this. I wanted to look up this.
Speaker 2:Um, uh, questions to ask a dietician I was just like and I'm just like, I'm curious, like what if I just ask you these with unprompted? You have no idea what I'm gonna ask. I actually don't really know what I'm gonna ask either, because I found this article by uh, by university of utah. University of utah. Now they asked seven questions to their dietician. Uh, theresa, I want to say uh and then she gave answers. Now, um, I'm gonna ask you the question and if you don't give the same answer she gets, I'm gonna be very disappointed. Let me just put it that way.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna be very.
Speaker 2:No, you're gonna take my, and for every answer you get incorrectly, one credential gets taken away from you. Oh no, and there's seven of them. So this is a real problem, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, we're going to start slowly losing letters at the end of your name.
Speaker 2:Oh boy, We'll start with the.
Speaker 3:N and then the D.
Speaker 2:So we're going to go with Jen Rock and wrong, you're gonna be left with something, okay wait, what if I lose my name?
Speaker 3:you might lose your name, you very well might be and you probably are.
Speaker 2:I just looked at the first question and like I this okay, all right, I have not read all of these questions, I just read, like the first two okay, what's the best thing you can eat? That's the entire question. That is the entire question they asked a registered dietitian.
Speaker 1:Wow what is?
Speaker 2:the best thing, Jen? What's the best thing that you could?
Speaker 1:eat. That's a loaded question right off the start.
Speaker 3:I actually hate this question.
Speaker 2:Oh it's no, it's not a good question and I wouldn't recommend it, but I thought this was a funny thing to do. What's the best thing you can eat?
Speaker 3:No, no, there isn't a thing. There isn't a best thing? No, there is. She answered it and you have to give me that answer.
Speaker 2:That's Teresa Teresa Dvorak.
Speaker 1:Aren't you glad that I invited you on the podcast now?
Speaker 2:How do I pronounce it? D-v-o-r-a-k. Dvorak, dvorak.
Speaker 3:Dvorak.
Speaker 2:I'm going to say Dvorak.
Speaker 3:So I'm going to cheat my way out of this because I have to for survival. I feel like I'm always saying I'm in the business of getting people to just eat more fruits and vegetables and I know that's the correct answer. It is fruits and vegetables, yes.
Speaker 2:Correct answer. Fruits and vegetables was their only answer. There's no follow up, there's no like, because of X, Y and Z. It's literally just what's the best thing you can eat, Teresa Fruits and vegetables. That's it. She probably went on for like 20 minutes and they were like fruits and vegetables. That's enough. Your name is already long enough, so we're just going to vegetables. Okay, but why would they say fruits and vegetables? What's what? Why? What's good about why? Why we eat fruits and vegetables?
Speaker 3:So fruits and vegetables are very nutrient, dense they have vitamins and minerals. If you eat a variety, you dense they have vitamins and minerals. If you eat a variety, you get all of the vitamins and minerals you need in your diet, more or less. There is some lacking things like B12 that you can mostly only get from animal products, but vitamin minerals are one Fiber which I know is Liam's favorite thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was just waiting for the fiber to be brought up is number two.
Speaker 3:Uh, because they are fiber dense and fiber does multiple things. It keeps us full, especially in combination with protein in a meal, um, so you're not hungry an hour later and reaching for a snack, um, it feeds our gut bacteria. So everybody's hung up on probiotics. But if you put probiotics in your body and then don't feed them, then you're kind of just not doing very well.
Speaker 2:It's a prebiotic, which is what your gut bacteria feed on, so you got gut bacteria. Unless you're a carnivore, then you ain't got shit. I mean, you literally don't have shit, like you don't because you've got.
Speaker 3:No, I don't want to know what's going on in the carnivore diet? I don't want to know what's going on in the carnivore diet GI. I can't think about it. But I tell people think of your gut bacteria as a zoo and you have to feed the animals and the fiber is what you feed them with. So those are my big reasons. Heavily on fruits and vegetables is what they recommend to cure basically all metabolic issues that plague us.
Speaker 2:It's also what they recommend for prevention of a number of diseases of aging, including cancer, dementia, cruciferous vegetables and, like you know, the antioxidant properties of especially cruciferous vegetables, and talking about like cancer risk, like all vegetables seem to you know, are at least associated with a reduced risk of cancer. So like and the saddest thing to me is like what 90% of Americans don't eat enough vegetables and like 87% don't eat enough fruit.
Speaker 3:Like when I tell people, I tell people when I counsel them that 50% of their plate should be either a fruit or a veggie, or both. And they're shocked because most people come in saying, oh, I eat pretty healthy because they have a vegetable on the plate, right, but it's like a sprinkling of vegetable on the plate and they're like I did it, Some sprinkles. And I'm like we got to expand and this can include beans as well. I count those because of the fiber content and nutrient content too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 3:They are separate into legumes and they are a protein and fiber food. But yeah, we got to get that to fill up a lot of the plate.
Speaker 2:I mean really fruits, vegetables, legumes, like all these, like they're all all fantastic. So the best thing you can eat like you know it's a bit of a, I know it's a total, like kind of cop-out question, but like, if you are gonna say something, I feel like fruits and vegetables is a a safe thing to at least answer. Yeah, but what did theresa say to number two? What's the worst thing you can eat? That's the entire question. What is the worst thing you can eat? No, it is not cyanide. No, I'll give you hints, it is not spoiled food, even though that's probably would be. My answer is like rotten, I would say like foods you're allergic to. Is it tied pods? It's well, I guess it just says thing you could eat.
Speaker 3:It doesn't say food so but okay, did you find the list of the worst questions to ask?
Speaker 2:no, these are not great questions, but I looked through some good questions and those would be really boring to ask you and I liked these more. So I was like I'm going with these because this makes for better content and I'm all about making the better content.
Speaker 3:It's going to be a cop-out again because-.
Speaker 2:Yes, it is a cop-out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because no food isolated in a single instance, is bad for you.
Speaker 3:It is all about the dose makes the poison here. So if you ate nothing but Twinkies for the rest of your life, you would not be well, but if you also ate nothing but kale for the rest of your life, you would not be well either. So there is no worst food. It's just in how we're bad at moderation all of us, myself included and I hate saying you have to eat it in moderation it's such a loaded term, but if we just ate things in small amounts, that might be too calorie dense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we hate saying in moderation as well in our podcast in moderation it's just so oh. God, it's so annoying. We always hear it. Why are people talking about it?
Speaker 3:It's important, but everyone hates to hear that. I know they hate to hear it because it's different for everyone.
Speaker 2:And what?
Speaker 3:does that mean? And blah, blah, blah and there's a lot of nuance to it.
Speaker 1:It's a vague term and there's a lot of nuance to it.
Speaker 3:It's a vague term.
Speaker 2:Generally yes, Everything in moderation.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, what would Teresa answer, though, if it was like a cop-out question that, just like generally, americans are consuming too much of it?
Speaker 3:I'm going to give you. This is my hint.
Speaker 2:This is my hint. Is it going to be?
Speaker 3:ultra-precious, ultra-precious foods.
Speaker 2:No, I'm going to give you two more guesses. It's not ultra processed food. It's one thing that Americans are consuming too much of. Is there one thing Americans no, I mean Americans are consuming too much of several things, but it's one of those things is what I'm saying Is it soda. It is not soda. I'm going to give you one more.
Speaker 1:Is it a food or is it an ingredient?
Speaker 2:It's related to soda. That's the last hint I'm giving you. It's related to soda. I'll give it to you. It's added sugar. Added sugar is the answer. I was about to take a letter away from you, but I will give you added, because you said sugar. I gave a bunch of hints, but still, yeah, added sugar, that's the only answer.
Speaker 3:There were so many things you could answer from the hints. It's just.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, listen, you're supposed to know, you're both dieticians, you're supposed to know this Now. So like it is a cop-out question, but like I get why she says that, because Americans in general, I mean, we are consuming too many fats as well, but, you know, too many calories overall, we're just consuming just too much. But like, added sugar is where we're getting a lot of those calories. And added sugar comes with what? Pretty much just the calories, right, like no added. You know there's no, there's no vitamins or minerals, it's just added sugar.
Speaker 3:Yes, but it's still building block of our energy.
Speaker 2:Listen. No, absolutely. I got some starburst right in my drawer right here. These things are delicious and I eat like a few of them, but we're talking about in moderation. I like the starburst, I. I like the starburst because, um, I bought, I bought this at sam's club.
Speaker 2:There's like 38 of these and I can take one and I just I have the rest, like in my basement I have this one and like I'll take like one or two starbursts out and eat it and then put it back in my drawer and then like I'm good, so that helps me, instead of just like eating a whole box of something or something like that. So that's the thing, it's like. That's not harmful to me because I'm only having a little bit of starbursts which are delicious, by the way, tropical ones. If you have the tropical starburst, those are especially good. But uh, like, yeah, in general, like soda, like that's a reason I drink diet soda is because one soda has 40 ish grams of added sugar. I usually drink two diet sodas a day. I'm going to consume a hundred ish brands of added shirt. Two to three, I would say typically no.
Speaker 1:So now that I haven't getting bigger, I guess these four cans on my desk right now.
Speaker 2:That's also fair. I drink energy drinks as well, so those also are sugar free. So all, in all I would be consuming over a hundred grams of added sugar. I didn't do like the sugar-free sodas, which that would not be consuming it in moderation, right? That 100 grams of sugar, added sugar a day probably wouldn't be the best thing for my health, right.
Speaker 3:No, and usually I look to beverages as one of the first things to reduce when I'm working with someone who might be consuming a lot of soda because it's easier than trying to cut calories in other areas. Right yeah because soda is not a thing that's going. If you cut it out, it's not going to leave you hungry yeah, it doesn't add, so it is almost as good, I think.
Speaker 2:I think it's just as good, but anyway added sugar yeah, that was the answer that I haven't read any of these other ones, so this is going to be a fucking mystery. Let's just find out um three. What do people inevitably ask you when they find out what you do? Okay, well, this one I don't feel like you know this could be different, for you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this should be subjective, but the first people don't ask me. The first thing that comes out of people's mouths is oh, I don't eat well and I go. I'm not your dietitian. These are people.
Speaker 1:I meet at like parties. It's just like no they expect you to diagnose their diet right there on the spot.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what did they just say? I eat like shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's the first thing out of people's mouths Total strangers. I'm meeting them for the first time. Oh, what do you do? I'm a dietitian. Oh, I eat terribly.
Speaker 2:I'm like that's about like eating poorly, or is it just like?
Speaker 3:it could be guilt, it could be pride. There's definitely I get a handful of people who are like trying to challenge me and be like well, I don't eat well and I'm great, so, but oh yeah, I could see that, like I'm seven years old and like I, I smoke cigarettes and I eat you know, yeah, like burgers every day and I'm great.
Speaker 2:I could see that. I understand that. What was her answer? I don't know what this? Uh, it's usually about weight loss help, all right, so I could definitely if that was her answer, which I could definitely see that I have a great.
Speaker 3:I have a great anecdote about that. Um, back in the day before I was married, I was on several dating sites and I just will never forget this man. I will never forget this man as long as I live. The first thing he did when he messaged me was ask me for weight loss advice and I said I'm looking for dating. I'm not looking to give people free advice. And he wrote back well, I'm a lawyer and I'd give free legal advice.
Speaker 2:That's interesting. Okay, I can't Listen, I am. Give free legal advice. That's interesting. Okay, I can't listen, I am. I cannot tell you overstay to you how unsurprised I am that it was a lawyer that asked that question. Though that's, that's funny, well, anyway. So yeah, wait. So I guess when you meet a dietitian, don't immediately ask them how to lose weight or say your diet is shit. Those are the two. What should, what do you say?
Speaker 3:your diet.
Speaker 2:What should people say?
Speaker 3:I I'm open to any number of things, including oh, I've been thinking about speaking with someone about this, like that's totally neutral, or you don't have to say anything, like you don't have to confess. I think people feel like they have to confess.
Speaker 1:They don't eat well.
Speaker 3:You don't have to. That's your business, and I'm not on the clock, and it's okay.
Speaker 2:Imagine what urologists have to hear. They're like what do you do? I'm a urologist, oh well, wait till you hear about this when I go to the bathroom, I mean I can only imagine. Or proctologists, I don't know. Is that the worst? What's the worst?
Speaker 1:I bet you urologists get questions about the consistency it's like a urologist, like I've.
Speaker 2:All I can imagine is like how crooked is too crooked? You know what I'm saying. Like what's? At what point is it like? Two, is there too much of a bend? Because you know a know a small bend is like normal. Anyway, I'm not asking for me, this is for a friend.
Speaker 1:I mean, there is a diagnosis for that, so is there Legit question? Oh yeah, I don't remember what it is, but there is a condition where there's too much bend.
Speaker 2:Too much bend Like a full U-turn. It doesn't matter anyway. Number four wait, wait no but what I learned about this? What I learned?
Speaker 1:wait, hold on.
Speaker 2:No, I gotta talk about this more, though this is important.
Speaker 1:This guy, this guy from the dating side, is his name greg. He sounds like a greg I.
Speaker 3:It's too many years ago now.
Speaker 1:Okay, we'll call him greg I've learned from greg that apparently I need to start opening my conversations on dating sites with just free advice, free advice.
Speaker 2:Apparently. That's what I need to do Try it. Try it for a week.
Speaker 3:We'll check back in with you, Rob. Number four Does that mean messaging people and being like, hey, you should eat more vegetables?
Speaker 1:Or does that mean asking? I'm just going to start messaging people. Here's some advice Eat more vegetables.
Speaker 2:Get more fiber, that wouldn't be nearly the worst opening. I feel like there's way worse, like hook lines or whatever that people give you know, so I feel like I go with it. See what happens. What's the most common mistake people make that caused them to fail at their diet?
Speaker 3:I think it's that they think messing up is something that they should never do. That is an expectation people put on themselves and they think once they mess up, it's over. The plan will never work. I teach a lot of people that setbacks are part of learning and growing and behavior change. And if you ever look up the stages of behavior change which is something I had to learn in grad school they make it a wheel. There's pre-contemplation, contemplation, action, maintenance and then setbacks, and then it just goes right back into pre-contemplation. And I teach all of my clients this is a circle. This is not an you hit a dead end and you're done, but everybody feels like they're they messed up and they'll never be able to go back to what they were doing. So my favorite metaphor because I'm a giant nerd is that when the empire built the death star and it was blown up, they didn't just quit, they built a second Death Star.
Speaker 2:Yes, be like the Sith. They didn't change their plan.
Speaker 3:They just stuck with it, so you got to be like the Empire.
Speaker 2:You got to be like the Empire. We'll add that to a tagline. So that was a tremendous answer. I love it, but it wasn't her, so I'm taking away one of your letters no.
Speaker 3:my state certification.
Speaker 2:No, we're going with letters now you're still j-rock because there's still a c, so it's fine. But the correct answer here was uh, too much, too fast, too soon. That was the answer. That was what I was looking for.
Speaker 3:There is just an answer it's actually I respect that answer uh, just doing too much.
Speaker 2:When you go on a diet, you cut out, you know all the things and then you know you're like, oh, this sucks, I'm not gonna continue with this yeah, one step at a time, people man, how many videos do I get tagged?
Speaker 2:and we're like I'm on a diet, this shit sucks. All I've eaten is boiled chicken and I'm like, what are you doing? Yeah, were you. Did you look at me, look at me in the eyes? Did you really think you were gonna stick to that for not, even, not even months, weeks, days, hours, like do you really think you're sick to that? Fuck? No, get out of here.
Speaker 3:Um, okay so going to the gym six days a week without any breaks god damn jeez, and you were doing zero before.
Speaker 2:Great job, we'll see. We'll see you at the hospital. Um. Number five is what do you? What do you, uh, know now as a registered dietitian that you wish everybody knew? What do you know now, as a registered dietitian that you wish everybody knew? What do you know now, as a registered dietitian that you wish everyone knew? Let's so many things, so there's so many looking for one thing in particular, otherwise you're gonna be jay ro and I'm not gonna get it.
Speaker 3:Here goes my name. So many things. Honestly, what I've learned is that everybody overthinks eating healthy to an extreme.
Speaker 2:I am going to give that one to you. I am actually going to give it to you. It's not exactly what she said. She said that it's not as hard as what people make it out to be.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, like you know exactly, it's not as difficult. People overthink it. I guess this. Finally, they asked to follow up and they just said how? So you know, most people know that they need to eat a balanced diet and lots of fruits and vegetables, whole foods, less processed foods and to move more, and it's really that simple. But it's making it a priority and taking the time to integrate those foods, yeah.
Speaker 3:People I work with are looking at weird stuff, micro stuff like salad dressing when they're not eating vegetables or like seed oils. Yeah, all our favorite things, things if oatmeal is causing something.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's full of glyphosate. You even heard what did oatmeal do to people that's full of they. They douse it with glyphosate and ship it to you.
Speaker 3:That's that's what? But the glyphosate makes it extra delicious and that's what gives it the kick.
Speaker 2:That's why I always add microplastics to my food.
Speaker 1:That's what really sells it yes and then that's what we're moving on to macro plastics this year where you're just chewing on a credit card.
Speaker 2:You're just like yeah, nom and down, so like you know how they go ahead.
Speaker 1:I love how um they do the cutting board videos where they're scraping off the plastic. That's not not microplastic, that's macroplastic. That's right. That would be.
Speaker 2:But like I like how they say like the average person consumes like two credit cards worth of microplastics every month, or whatever I'm like. Well then, I'm just going to do it by just straight up eating the credit card. Like fuck this, like intermediate shit, where I'm just getting little pieces, one large piece and then I get my quota.
Speaker 3:You know piece and then I get my quota. You know what I'm saying. I love that people have conceptualized that anything that goes into our body stays there forever, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, without really thinking too hard about what that would mean right and like I get like microplastics they have found them in like human tissues and stuff like that, but like we don't have like evidence showing like in the human body, it's, it's, it's, it's detrimental, like they're it's there is it it bad? Maybe it could be, we don't really know. And if you want to worry about that shit, but again, 90% of y'all aren't eating fruits and vegetables and you're worried about fucking microplastics get out of here with that shit.
Speaker 3:Just want them to eat a vegetable.
Speaker 2:Eat a carrot Again. They're five pennies, they're so cheap.
Speaker 1:Just get them at the store. Oh damn, the price went up since the start. It was three pennies at the start, I don't remember, wasn't it two?
Speaker 2:It's how big the carrot is. It depends how large the carrot.
Speaker 3:This carrot inflation is out of control.
Speaker 2:I'm still not growing them myself. All right. Number six what's the best way to make sure that I'm eating healthy? That's the whole question. What's the best way to make sure I'm eating healthy? What do I do? These are cruel questions, cruel podcast master. The best way to ensure you're eating healthy? Eat, she gets two.
Speaker 3:She gets two things here and I'm gonna look, I'll give you either one. Eating fruits and vegetables. There is a theme and it is going to be very repetitive okay, so what?
Speaker 2:what do? All right, I can't even give a fucking hit on this one. I don't even know what to do. Never mind, uh. The answer I was looking for is making sure that you're enjoying it and that you're getting that. You uh, that you've got lots of color in your diet okay, that's lots of color.
Speaker 1:I think that's half point there, because fruits and vegetables, that's gonna give you color.
Speaker 2:I was kind of gonna go with like what do fruits, vegetables? Like I was like I don't really know what the fun. Like eat the rainbow. You know, they always say that sort of shit.
Speaker 3:I do love the answer. Make sure you enjoy it, because people have this idea that you either eat healthy and you hate what you're eating, or you eat what you like and there is a vegetable to that, oh yeah, and then all the time, and then you have something sustainable, whereas my clients who are like I eat a salad every single day forever, and it's the same salad and I'm never to, and I I stopped them, if I can. Or about three months into working with them, they're like I hate this and I go. You were going to get there, so eating what you enjoy is so important.
Speaker 1:It's so easy to hide vegetables in food.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so eating what you enjoy is so important. It's so easy to hide vegetables in food. Yeah, it's also easy to just like take, if you want. I had a client who loved pizza and she said she'd never cook ever. And I said, challenge accepted, so I was having her eat like a slice of pizza and then I get like a little side salad at the pizza place with it. She lost weight and her cholesterol went down doing that.
Speaker 3:She just wasn't eating too much pizza. But, like I now brag to all my clients, you can eat pizza and get healthier yeah, like I.
Speaker 2:This was like last. I'm not gonna go on another rant about it, but like it's I. I hate that. It's always like what's your favorite cheat meal? Oh, pizza. I'm like what the fuck's wrong with people like is pizza really that bad? It's just that we eat, so we eat a lot of it when we eat pizza, you eat at least half a pie.
Speaker 1:You look at all the ingredients on pizza and they're all things that are fine in any other meal.
Speaker 2:But as soon as you put them together into pizza.
Speaker 1:It's a problem.
Speaker 2:What's wrong with pizza? There was a whole family guy's kid about it. I got to send it to you. It's very funny when he's talking to a personal trainer, he's pizza and he's like, oh, you can't have, you can't have pizza.
Speaker 1:He's like, why not? Oh, because it's got it's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you just can't have pizza like it's got stuff and it goes on for like a minute where he just keeps no, tell me what exactly in it he's like. Well, you know, it's just it's the food you know you can't like. It's so funny like you gotta look this shit up. I'll send you a very funny um, but yeah, it's like it's pizza.
Speaker 3:Um, oh, no I just read it. I just read it, I just read it, um, um.
Speaker 2:So okay, here's. Here's a question. Uh, jayrock, I'm gonna need you to sum up all your nutrition knowledge in one sentence. That is the question. That is the fucking question they asked this late this poor woman to theresa, what was it? I don't even remember devour. Devour, I don't even remember what her name is.
Speaker 3:I'm gonna have to write her a letter afterwards and be like I have been where you have been and I just have to say theresa says that's really dot, dot, dot and the interview set.
Speaker 2:the interviewer says unfair, impossible, and her first response is yeah, really. And then she has a bunch of stuff here, but how would you sum up all?
Speaker 3:Wait, she has a bunch of stuff. I heard one sentence.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah.
Speaker 3:Is this a run-on sentence?
Speaker 2:It's a run-on, it's a bunch of commas, it's the American system. You just keep throwing commas in there All right, let's do this.
Speaker 3:Let's see If you eat more fruits and vegetables, move more and this is all relative to what you were doing before, so it's not do what everyone else is doing, it is do a little bit more than what you've been doing from the start. And then you also work on behavior change, which takes time, and you are patient with yourself because behavior change takes time and you find sustainable ways to make these changes and not dramatically change things from where you were, just gradually change them. Then you will be most likely to succeed in maintaining your goals.
Speaker 2:Well, there was 15 commas there, but like, that's, that's one sentence, that's all right, we'll. We'll give it to you.
Speaker 1:Maybe we should give her the K back for the run on sentence.
Speaker 2:And we only took one, like I really only took basically one away. Uh yeah, she said I'm at a disadvantage here. Eating well throughout the lifespan and finding a way to eat for a lifetime is really the key, rather than just how am I going to eat for the next say, 10 days or 30 days, but what works for my body for the long term. So it's basically what you said. It's just like what can you do that's sustainable, that works for you?
Speaker 2:yep and so I'm glad they only asked her seven questions. I think theresa would fuck, her head would have exploded if it was like a 20 at least you know, 2050 question she was probably ready to take the chair and just you know, wrestling that, uh, wrestling that guy so to theresa dvorak, we're sorry that you had to go through this. Imagine she's listening to this shit right now like she actually like. Thank god that interviewer asked me the question.
Speaker 3:I was pissed so this was university of utah utah.
Speaker 2:I am never going there oh shit, there's a whole episode on it like maybe they asked more but they just, I don't know man, but that's that's. That's that's funny, I I like. I mean, those questions weren't good, but like it makes again, it makes for good content, I like it does.
Speaker 2:It was a great move so, yeah, but you know how you guys doing oh shit is there. I mean we're like whoa shit, it's been like an hour. What the fuck's going on. Um, is there anything else like that you know you want to make sure people know, or is there anything that like you get at, like you get asked a lot besides, you know, like immediately for help, I guess, uh, that like know just things that come up a bunch that you're like, oh, I have to answer that a lot, like you know.
Speaker 3:Um, frequently there's a lot of wild content on the internet and most of it is untrustworthy and so always, you know, check multiple sources, check with people if they have trusted people who they follow. I follow both you, Liam and Rob, because I find you are very good, trusted content, so I recommend you to my clients. But it's it's a jungle out there, and if you find that you're getting the majority of your nutrition advice from the internet, you might want to consult the person in real life, because that is not going to give you a whole picture of you. They are giving broad generalizations, even when you're.
Speaker 3:And I will also add medical professionals are not actually legally allowed to give medical advice specifically on social media. So you are not going to get an answer for your specific issue that may be correct unless you see a person in real life. So multiple sources, trusted sources, do you have?
Speaker 2:any suggestions for people for, like, how to know if they should trust a specific source if they're watching someone and they're like I don't know if I should trust this person.
Speaker 3:The lines are crossing a lot lately because I would say people who cite research. But then I've been seeing more content creators cite research in a really incorrect way that weaponizes it or uses confirmation bias. So sometimes, when they're citing the research, but not always. If you see someone citing research, meta-analyses are the way to go, because that is a collection of researches that are all confirming the same conclusions, not just one thing one time. I mean, the point of research is you have to be able to replicate it to get the same results over and over again. If you are seeing content creators who are cutting entire macronutrients out of the diet, that is a huge red flag. And if you are seeing content creators who are selling supplements, I know that there is nuance there, but that's usually a red flag to me.
Speaker 2:It's one red like yeah, it's, you know it's they could.
Speaker 1:I've I've seen a lot of you know, dustin pointer size red flag.
Speaker 2:Like I've seen some good people who give good advice sell supplements Like you know, I'm like I totally, I get it.
Speaker 2:You got to make your money, like I totally understand, as long as you're not being disingenuous with it, like I get it what I would just say is, like you know, we've talked about many times, but really just like speaking with in extremes, just like I, just that's what I just immediately when I see someone. Like you know, all of this is boiled down to this. This causes that I've talked about it many times, but like that is just like the biggest red flag, because they're trying to sum up everything without any nuance and just one thing, which usually then, yeah, leads into like some sort of sales pitch on something. Recently, what I've been seeing is, um, they've been like because the tiktok shop, you know, like tiktok shop, I mean, I'm gonna be going away, we'll see, but like as of recording, tiktok shop is still a thing, and there's, there's videos I'm getting tagged in like 10 million views, 20 million views, 30 million views, and they're just like starting off with like just a, a hot button issue or like a current event like, uh, luigi, you know, like the whole, like ceo health care was, you know the ceo of, like you know health care was shot.
Speaker 2:They would open it up like yelling about him or something. And there's this one like Mr Incredible, put the whole healthcare system to shame. It's just like this kind of wild opening and then it just slowly devolves into the sales pitch for NAD or some other supplement and I just see that over and over again I'm compiling a bunch of them in my favorites because I was like, let me see if I can just get like all of these together to show people and like collectively these have like a hundred million views and so like anything that opens up with that like extreme and you see them selling something you gotta be especially a problem on tiktok, because tiktok was pushing the tiktok shop and thus any content that was part of the.
Speaker 1:TikTok shop is just getting mass push to everybody Exactly.
Speaker 2:And that makes sense because that's how they make their money. So, like you know, I appreciate it, for when I try and you know I link a nut milk maker Walnut milk pretty decent. That was like I made that, like I actually enjoyed that. A little bitter, I feel. Like people told me apparently you got to soak your nuts, which I do normally, but not my walnuts. You got to soak your nuts and for like overnight or something, I knew it was coming. I mean, as you talk about nuts, you gotta be. I gotta bring up a Deez nuts joke at least once. Come on, I'm only human. And so you gotta like soak them in water and then remove that water and then make your walnut milk with the soaked nuts and like add a little bit of salt. So I'm gonna try that next. That's what I'm, that's that's what I'm doing. Next I'm gonna try some different nut milks. I'm gonna try pecan, pecan, whatever. I don't give a shit.
Speaker 1:Whatever I say, people get mad you know, if, uh, if the shop doesn't go away, we really need to link you at your uh tiktok to the in moderation shop you could be selling right, right.
Speaker 2:And then I get my views boosted because whatever has a yeah, exactly exactly so. Whenever I talk about something important that I know won't get a lot of views, I'm like how fuckers, I got you? I'm just gonna link, like a shirt that will make tiktok push this more so you get this important information. Gotcha Gaming the system. Yeah, that's going away in five days. Okay, Well, other than that, like what's your top three diet hacks? Just top three diet hacks.
Speaker 1:I want easy how to make my life improve just like, without barely having to do anything. Is one of them going to be eat more fruit and vegetable?
Speaker 3:Oh God, yeah. And one sentence do anything. Is one of them going to be eat more fruit and vegetable? Oh God, yeah. And one sentence.
Speaker 2:please, Only one sentence.
Speaker 3:One sentence, all right. So the popular ones right now that everyone wants are never eat breakfast, cut all your seed oils and never eat sugar again, because that's a very practical way of going through life Exactly and do that for the rest of your life.
Speaker 2:Those are the three, those are the hacks we're fighting a war against I don't even know what anymore. We're fighting war against a lot of things is the problem. It's just like a lot of. It's just a lot of different things coming together. It's a little bit everything. Like you said, people already kind of feel like they know their body. Plus you have all these people selling things, plus you have a ton of information out there so people don't know what to believe and plus we've already got like ish, like I mean, it's thank you. It's really tough, like I, I really feel for so many people, especially like they're trying to lose weight, like your body, their body, is fighting the whole way. For so many people they're just like you know, they're just genetic, genetics, wise they've been, you know they're. Maybe their hunger signaling is more. They're just more hungry all the time. I remember what was it? Ben Carpenter was telling a story. He was working. He was like a family member who's like lost a ton of weight and she said she's just starving all the time.
Speaker 1:His sister Like her entire weight loss. His sister, yeah. His sister, yeah, that's what it was and I was like man.
Speaker 2:I can't even imagine that starving and I know for so many people they, that's what they. They struggle with that and I I really feel for them and someone who's like I I I struggle putting on weight, like I have trouble like eating enough to, even if I'm trying to like add muscle, I'm like man. I got a another spoonful of peanut butter. Are you fucking kidding me? Right now I don't want to eat this. So like I, I really. So that's why I try and be so like as sympathetic as I can and try and teach other.
Speaker 1:We need to make some protein Starburst.
Speaker 2:Protein Star. I don't feel like they did. Like, the whole thing about Starburst is they're juicy and protein's like dense and hard, so I feel like those are two polar opposites.
Speaker 3:Get on it, Liam, you can do it oh shit, hey Quest, he knows what to do, right. We'll just lie. Why don't we just lie on the package? There's just regular Starburst, but we just say there's like 50 grams of protein.
Speaker 2:I mean, with the supplement industry that is legal, so go for it, oh man.
Speaker 3:So I will say that a lot of my favorite thing about my job is that when people come to see me these days, I have been simplifying what they have been overthinking, and there is this sense of relief when they leave my office that I don't have to keep worrying about all these things. I just have to add to what I'm doing and that really makes my job worthwhile is just helping people feel more sane about this stuff.
Speaker 2:Because I, when I, you know, I meet people in person, they say it feels so crazy, like it feels insane, like everything, cause they have all this, this stuff coming at them. So you're just like, oh, this is it, like that's it. And so, yeah, I get so many like DMS were like, but how is what about just eating healthy? I'm like, I think, like you already kind of know, like we just have fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, legumes, really all whole foods, just like whole foods in general, like you know, limit the added sugar, I don't know, like processed meats, and you probably aren't the greatest, try and focus on whole plant foods.
Speaker 3:There you go yep, there you go, and if you eat one too many desserts, don't beat yourself up about it I'm definitely gonna do that.
Speaker 2:fuck man, like he gets like a good, like flourless, like chocolate cake or something. It's so dense, it's just like butter and sugar.
Speaker 1:There's no flour in it. Man, you need to tell Liam about your ice cream.
Speaker 3:Ice cream. So my husband got a work present, but instead of cash, like a rational person, what they sent him in the mail was 12 pints of ice cream from from Graders.
Speaker 2:Graders no, Graders is good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so we got 12 pints all different flavors. I got home and saw this package and texted my husband like what did you do? And he's like I didn't do anything. What do you mean? And I'm unpacking this and I'm like there were six when I opened it and I lifted one up and I'm like there's 12 in it.
Speaker 2:just it felt like in an unsettling amount of ice cream, the freezer space for 12 pints.
Speaker 3:We have a basement freezer so they are all lined up, but it is. It is a psychotic amount of ice cream that neither of us wants to finish it lasts basically forever. You know, you just eat it when you need to said that they have not finished last year's ice cream yet, and so they're getting another pad that we're in for a lot for the next couple years. What's? The best ice cream flavor I'm really into the eggnog, which was a seasonal flavor egg nog yeah, like it's.
Speaker 3:They put extra eggs in it, so it's like really rich that egg, yolkiness, uh, and then they put a bunch of nutmeg in it and it actually tastes like really good egg nog not the stuff you buy in the store, but like I'm in the habit of making my own egg nog because it's family recipe raw eggs, a whole and then like copious amounts of alcohol. This tastes like that, but it's not alcoholic, so I was very impressed with that I'm gonna take your word on it, because I don't, I'm not in.
Speaker 2:I'm not in on eggnog ice cream. I, that's, that's, I've, I've, I don't know about.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm still a little dumbfounded about getting hit with that think of like a really rich custard and then have like a nice nutmeggy flavor to it and cinnamon, and that's what it tastes like I go with a classic, my classic, ben and jerry's americone dream oh, that is great. My downfall was always chubby hubby when I was in high school, that's the chocolate covered pretzels okay, yeah, pret, yeah, pretzels that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Pretzels like American dreams got in there, like I like pretzels and waffle cone pieces in there, delicious.
Speaker 1:Do you think Paul Saladino makes full testicle ice cream?
Speaker 2:I'm sure he makes something and calls it ice cream, but I'm I'm also certain, it's not ice cream. Did you see his peanut butter and jelly? Recently? I have, okay, get this okay. So you have a steak right and then you have another steak, and then you have a third steak and you stack them and that's his peanut butter and jelly that's steak and now it's because now he's just trolling, because now he's literally just like he did, like the, the, you, you remember the, the, the squash, that was like animal based pasta which was just a squash.
Speaker 2:Now he's just fucking trolling us. He's like here's our, my peanut butter and jelly. It's the best peanut butter and jelly ever. It's three steaks. I'm like, that's fucking three steaks, like oh yeah. So I'm sure he made something that he called ice cream, but, um, it would not be he, I can't imagine.
Speaker 2:He's a very happy person I don't know, man, I'm gonna stick with eating a real peanut butter and jelly. Bro, peanut butter jelly gets like I've talked about it so many times. I'm like that that you see the. Uh, there's a university of michigan study that looked at, like all these different foods, how much time to take away or add to your life. Yeah sure, is it perfectly accurate? Maybe not, but like I like that peanut butter jelly was the food that added the most time to your life. So I will continue to say that and keep eating my peanut butter and jellies. Man, peanut happiness factor, yes, and just peanut man. Like I, before I left for cosi today, I just ate peanut butter out of the jar with a spoon, you tell me. I tell me it's complicated. No, I had dates and I had peanut butter out of the jar with a spoon. That is what I ate.
Speaker 3:That was my meal you had fiber from the dates and you had protein from the peanut butter. You You're good to go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but dates and peanut butter has fiber too, and you know getting healthy fats.
Speaker 3:Mono and polyunsaturated fats. Fats are satiating.
Speaker 2:Fats, absolutely, and so I'm good to go Like literally, just a few medjool dates and spoonfuls of peanut butter, I'm all set. That's it. See, not that complicated.
Speaker 3:That's it, see, not that complicated. The one thing I want to get across to people is you should like the food you eat.
Speaker 2:Yes, and if you like eating peanut butter out of the jar, eat peanut butter out of the jar.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Don't eat the whole jar though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:Try not to do that.
Speaker 2:I've eaten most of a jar of peanut butter, like I don't think I've just sit there with a spoon and keep going until, like you know, it's it's like two-thirds of the way gone. It's like 2 000 calories worth of peanut butter and I just mad like it's so good. I don't do that. I try not to do that as much anymore, though, but, like you know, that's what I say. For me, like a gaining weight, it's so tough. Like I literally need to, like you know, eat spoonfuls of peanut butter and, and, you know, like whatever, I don't know, just like anything else, I can get in it's, it's, it's tough.
Speaker 2:All that ranting costs a lot of energy I'm busy and I tell you, I burn calories, just fucking like you do, you know just, you see me like it's, it's, it's, it's, it's wild, but like it works. Hey, fucking long as it works, that's all that really matters. Uh, anything else, anything else you want to tell me before we leave, otherwise I'm just gonna keep ranting because I gotta go do shit and go back I like your ranting please other people apparently do, and that's why I built up a social media fall.
Speaker 3:I don't fucking get it, but it doesn't matter, it works rob, you look like you're just slowly drifting off screen slowly, just kind of going off to the side.
Speaker 1:Getting more and more of a tilt to me.
Speaker 3:There you go, a distinguished tilt.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:We're all very tired.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I had Sagey here all weekend and that was. I mean, you have a teenage girl in the house with boundless energy.
Speaker 2:Don't mind me when did those come from?
Speaker 3:I looked away for two seconds. It's fine, I just have broil and and seltzers and bubbly.
Speaker 2:They didn't have anything but bubbly at sam's club. Are you fucking kidding me, sam's club? Where's my waterloo?
Speaker 3:that is a better seltzer than bubbly, but whatever, that's what they had friend of mine and I have a joke that if we're at like sam's club or costco buying waterloo, we have to call each other up or leave a voice text that goes Waterloo Like the ABBA song. That is our thing for Waterloo the.
Speaker 2:ABBA song. That is our love of Waterloo. There's an ABBA song about Waterloo.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's an ABBA song called Waterloo.
Speaker 2:Oh shit.
Speaker 1:There is.
Speaker 2:I'm learning things.
Speaker 1:Apparently Liam's not old enough.
Speaker 2:I feel like I'm on TikTok. I feel like I'm too old Shit man. I'm the old man, All these fucking kids. Now I go to Red Note. I'm too old and too white. Everything's in fucking Mandarin. I didn't take enough Mandarin in high school to fucking understand what's going on. I pick out a few things I don't know.
Speaker 3:I learned enough Mandarin to say I'm American, which I think kind of doesn't even need to be said.
Speaker 2:Wash your magoa red.
Speaker 3:Yep, but I think they can kind of guess that.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, until next time, everybody, don't be your worst. Maybe don't finish the whole jar of peanut butter, but definitely have some.
Speaker 1:Maybe Jen should tell us where to find her.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah. So if you are ever interested, I am JSRockRD on TikTok for the next four days and beyond. I'm also JenniferRockMSRD on YouTube. I am JSRockRD on Instagram, I am JenniferRockMSRD on Facebook and, if you would like to see my website, I am jrockrdcom.
Speaker 2:She got the dot com. We have to sit over here with the dot net because we fucking suck balls, they wouldn't answer us, yeah I tried.
Speaker 1:I tried to buy in moderationcom, but no, the guy wouldn't get back to me oh we got fucking dot net like um schlubs. I don't think I follow you on instagram. How many followers do you have on instagram?
Speaker 3:uh, very sad amount I am. I'm a baby.
Speaker 1:Social media that's actually something. Um, there was a video going around recently about a guy, a podcaster, and he he said that he will book somebody who talks about a subject in a certain way on one month and then a month later he will book somebody else that counters that topic or something that it creates like a controversy. And every once in a while, uh, people will ask me, especially when I bring on smaller creators, they'll, they'll be like why aren't you bringing on so and so because they're huge, you know, and stuff like that. I'm like I don't want to bring on people just for the clout, because they're big.
Speaker 2:I want to bring on quality creators we're not fucking great to set, you know shit like we're not just clout chasing yeah, and I would much rather bring on a good creator that doesn't have a following but deserves a following, like jen.
Speaker 1:then some crazy person with five million followers that isn't even isn't even going to talk about anything, good, Exactly so.
Speaker 2:next week people stay tuned for Liver King, when we have them all.
Speaker 3:Oh no.
