In Moderation
Providing health, nutrition and fitness advice in moderate amounts to help you live your best life.
Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
In Moderation
Laughing with Legumes: Debunking Vegan Myths and Mindful Eating with Natalie Fox
Join us for an episode brimming with laughter and plant-based wisdom as we navigate the world of celebrities and vegan nutrition. We kick off by poking fun at some beloved Canadian stars before diving headfirst into a vibrant discussion with our special guest, registered dietitian Natalie Fox. Natalie debunks the myths of veganism, offering clarity on B12, iron, and omega-3 deficiencies while serving up practical tips to make plant-based cooking a breeze. With her expert advice, you'll find that adding beans, tofu, and the right sauces can transform any meal into a culinary delight without the fuss.
Our conversation takes a heartfelt turn as we address topics like binge eating and food scarcity, exploring how shifting from control to curiosity can promote healthier eating habits. We share insights on embracing imperfection, particularly for those with neurodivergent lifestyles, and highlight how a flexible mindset can help in achieving personal health goals. Together, we tackle the challenges of supplement myths, unraveling the exaggerated claims in the industry and emphasizing the importance of informed choices tailored to individual needs.
We wrap things up by celebrating the unassuming magic of beans in both savory and sweet creations, from chickpea blondies to black bean brownies. The episode offers a humorous look at food trends and marketing gimmicks, keeping our listeners entertained with a light-hearted exploration of social media milestones and future plans. With humor and meaningful insights, this episode promises not only to entertain but also to inspire a more thoughtful approach to nutrition and personal growth.
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You want to get started here, rob? We're just going to turn this whole episode into you know, movie talk and celebrities, it'll probably do better. If we just talked about celebrities this whole time, this episode will probably do better. Hey everybody, welcome to In Moderation, where we're redirecting from nutrition and fitness and it's all celebrities now. We're chasing it to no end.
Speaker 2:We've gone from a subject I know about to something I know absolutely nothing about.
Speaker 1:I tell us all about the canadian. Canadian celebrities. Rob what's? What are your favorite canadian celebrities?
Speaker 2:my favorite canadian celebrity.
Speaker 1:Okay, um anything like oh shit you know what?
Speaker 2:david usher is one of the most underrated. I'm sorry if I know we were talking about movies, but underrated musicians david usher david usher, not to be confused with usher right, I know usher.
Speaker 1:I know that I know him. I don't know david usher.
Speaker 2:I gotta be honest no idea well, he's brilliant musician, okay, well, you should have said the answer I was looking for was ryan reynolds was the answer?
Speaker 1:is the the most, the best celebrity?
Speaker 1:I got it wrong I wouldn't even know, I wouldn't have accepted justin bieber, but that at least would have been well known. I mean, come on, somebody messaged me today and said I realize who you sound like, ryan reynolds, and I was like that's like the nicest compliment. Thank you very much for for that, I appreciate it. Anyway, natalie, how are you doing? I'm good. How are you? Well, we have. So. We've heard all your questions and your requests for more carnivore-based content, so we decided to bring on a strict carnivore. Natalie, what is your favorite cut of steak? What would you say is like the bee's knees of steak cuts?
Speaker 3:You know, I just like to put all of it in a blender and drink it through its raw.
Speaker 2:That's a rival.
Speaker 1:That's what our ancestors did. They plug it into the tree outlet and they blend that shit up and they drink it like a real man alpha or something Exactly.
Speaker 3:Because, you know, we don't actually have like the right teeth for it, but we're made to eat meat. So blenders evolutionary.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's another good one. Okay, we'll get into that in a second. We have canines. We're supposed to eat, only meat Fucking wild man. But anyway, okay, how about fine? Fine, actually introduce yourself and tell us about. You know who you are?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I'm Natalie Fox. I'm a registered dietitian. I have a lot of specialties that I've picked up over the years. I feel like a lot of dietitians who are in the social media space are the same. One of them is plant-based eating, so I've personally been vegan for almost 11 years. However, I am not somebody who goes around telling people they should go vegan. Uh, so I'm here if people are interested to learn more about it. Uh, that's what I'm here for, but not necessarily the other.
Speaker 3:It's really funny because I think that whenever I talk about vegan stuff on my channel which is not often um I get a bunch of people being like, oh you know, don't tell people what to do, and and I was like where in this video did I tell anybody to go vegan?
Speaker 1:I did not I think they're just used to that as soon as you know they're used to that sort of they are?
Speaker 3:they are, I'm like, sources of plant-based b12 and they're like, don't tell people to go vegan. And I was like I'm just telling you what plant-based where to get yeah, you haven't paid me yet. I'm not speaking of that. Yeah, right exactly speaking of that?
Speaker 1:Yeah Right, exactly Speaking of that, I wanted to do something. I like to go to something called Google. If you guys haven't checked it out, it's super cool. You can type into things and it just tells you stuff. So I Googled barriers to being vegan and this is the AI response to that and I would like to ask you some of these questions, and then you can tell me Okay, let's see, nut these questions. And then you, and then you can tell me okay, uh, let's see, uh, nutritional challenges, uh, nutrient deficiency. A vegan can lack nutrients like B12, iron, calcium, omega-3 fatty acids and protein, even Wow. So what do we do about? What do we do about that?
Speaker 3:Oh man, I mean, I would say a lot of it depends on people's diets, Like people treat vegan diets, like they're this monolithic thing, like it's all one thing.
Speaker 3:And they usually, I think, get that vibe from those influencers who eat nothing but like fruit and salads, which is just not a lot of people who are plant based actually eat. Some do. They often aren't plant based for a long time if they're doing that. But in general, I think a lot of where the concern for nutrition adequacy comes from is theory and it's not actually evidence that there are higher deficiency rates in most cases. There are some exceptions to that because they're like okay, well, what nutrients are really predominant in animal products? And you're taking that out. So therefore there must be a nutrient of concern and they're not really realizing that.
Speaker 3:Well, we eat other things, and more of things than other people don't eat. So when you're actually looking at data, there's not a lot of evidence that plant-based people have higher rates of anemia. There's not. I mean, some studies show a little bit, but it's really not that different in terms of those kinds of risks. But in general, I would say most of those are not necessarily a nutrient of concern across the board. Among plant-based diets, b12 is absolutely one, though. So people who are plant-based should absolutely be taking a B12 supplement or eating a lot of fortified foods. I do recommend people who are plant-based to periodically get B12 levels checked to make sure that their method of supplementation is adequate for them. So that's one, my method of supplementation is adequate for them, makes sense.
Speaker 2:So that's one I like to think of. Supplementation would be energy drinks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's. It looks impressive on a label. I'll tell you this when you I mean when you're like new to the gym and you like pull out an energy drink and it's like B12, 80,000% of what you need, you're like holy shit this is going gonna be so much energy and it's just like every b or every b vitamin.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it looks impressive. Yeah, absolutely, um, you know, iron can be, it just depends on what your diet is. Uh, a lot of them are that. Again, omega-3 can be, it just depends on what your diet is is.
Speaker 1:Is it because, like when, okay, so you take someone who's like an omnivore and they decide like, okay, I've heard being vegan is like the healthiest thing I can do for, or whatever, and so they decide to do that. And so when they they go, they do they switch to a plant-based diet. They basically just remove the meat and don't really change anything else. So they just eat more of like these, this, the few things, they things they were eating before. So it's not their diet Maybe isn't as well-rounded, like they're not eating lentils and you know all these other things that have protein. So I feel like, yeah, I would say that's.
Speaker 3:I would say that's true. So, like um, I've I've done a lot of different things in my career, but I did work for a plant-based program for a while and a lot of people were coming to it and they'd been trying it and maybe failing it. And I would say the number one, like struggle that people have in this, like we'll say I had no energy and they think it's protein and yeah, they weren't eating enough protein, but they're also just like not eating enough period, because they're just taking, just just they're not eating enough food and I'm like they're trying to chase the protein and still not eating enough food and still not feeling great.
Speaker 3:So then they think it's the quality of the protein when it's just you know, you're having a big bowl of lettuce, putting a little bit of tofu on that lettuce is not. It's still not going to be enough energy specifically, but that's it. They take the meat out and then it's just like vegetables and maybe rice and that's kind of what it looks like or or oatmeal, but they're having like a packet of oatmeal and it's just.
Speaker 3:People are massively under consuming and if you're not eating enough, you're gonna feel like shit, and that's the thing it's like.
Speaker 1:People say, like I want carnivore, I lost weight with this. You go like any, you know any of these diet. You just like. You know you're left with these things. You're like, okay, I just ate less. Just ate less food. You know? And and I mean I think it has changed a little bit with over time like you know, 20 years ago, if you go vegan, your options were a lot more limited than now, where you have a lot of the vegan alternatives.
Speaker 1:At least you have those as an option, you know you get like I love, you know, like the, the pastas, you know like the bonds are like chickpea pasta and stuff like that. I feel like it makes it at least a little bit easier.
Speaker 3:Totally. Yeah, there's lots of. There's lots of options. There's also a lot of, I think and maybe this is just the sphere that I run in but there's a lot more creators who are making recipes that are not like. You know, here's how to turn your pasta like make pasta out of zucchini. Your pasta like make pasta out of zucchini. Uh, they're actually making like legit nourishing filling. Like there's more dietitians in the space. Um, like plant-based RD is one of my absolute favorite content creators for plant-based recipes Like she's great yeah.
Speaker 3:I'm not, I don't know. I I'm not really a recipe person, but like every time I get in a food rut I'm like what is she doing? These, these?
Speaker 1:days I have one of her like tofu, like not not scrambles, uh, like crispy tofu where you just like shred it up and put it in the oven and bake it.
Speaker 3:So I gotta try that I've been meaning to do that I have a book around here somewhere she does this like breaded tofu, like cutlet thing with like panko that, oh, it's my favorite. I love it there it is.
Speaker 1:I knew I had the book somewhere. I got it. I know I'm trying to plug her book because she's great.
Speaker 2:I bought that with my own money.
Speaker 1:She doesn't even know I have it, but I'm trying to get around things. Anyway, I do want to talk about protein a little bit, because you and I did a little collab on plant-based protein sources. But it's something I just get asked about. So much a plant based protein sources, but it's something I just get asked about. Like so much people like, hey, I'm trying to eat more protein but I don't want it all to be, you know, tuna, fish or whatever, right. So, like you know, maybe just go through some of the ones that you really, like you think are easy to are, you find are easiest to get people to incorporate into their diet, or like what people have success with that sort of thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely. I mean, beans are a classic. There's so many ways to eat beans. A lot of people don't know what to do with beans. Yeah, I think that that's been my experience. They're just like, okay, I'll put it out on a can and dump it on whatever, and it doesn't necessarily strike. So preseason beans are great If you're not sure. Getting a good spice blend that you like is great. A lot of people forget that condiments exist. Like you know, throw some barbecue sauce on it. You know, throw some sriracha on it, what, like what? What would you normally season your non plant based food with? You can put that on beans and that will taste really good. So that's one that's the classic.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you, those bushes sidekicks, have you ever seen go to like the bushes beans? They have these ones and there's, you know, there's just a bunch of different. There's a few different flavors. I like them all. Yeah, the preseason one. Just make it so much easier, cause I'm lazy.
Speaker 3:Let's not make it nuts. I think a lot of people not to go on a little tangent, but I think a lot of people when they're trying to eat healthier, they're like everything has to be from scratch, including the sauce, and I'm like oh. You're making it hard.
Speaker 2:That's part of the wellness, though, is that you have to make everything.
Speaker 3:And it's gotta be. I mean if you enjoy doing that. If that's your hobby, like that's my hobby, I like doing that but that's not everybody's hobby. Not everybody builds their career around food like I did. So um yeah. So beans are great. Uh, you know, any kind of soy product is also great if you don't obviously have a soy allergy. So tofu, tempeh, edamame, all of those are great.
Speaker 1:Tofu is super, yeah love those, the only bean I talk about them all the time dry roasted edamame.
Speaker 3:The company contacted me yeah, dry roasted edamame. It's a thing with Zach, it's so good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the only bean contacted me. They're like we're just starting to work with influencers. I'm like you can talk with me all day like I'm. I'm good, I love this stuff. It's actually good. They make pasta as well.
Speaker 3:The pasta on its own not as good, but like mixed in with other pasta it's good, like it's just an easy way to get more protein and fiber. I love it totally, totally. Um, yeah, tofu. I would say that like uh, cooking tofu if you're not familiar with tofu and you just try to eat out of the package yeah, what do you do?
Speaker 1:what do you like? What's an easy like way for people that actually is like they might actually like tofu, like what do you think?
Speaker 3:Yeah. So for me, the three ways well, I would say the two ways that I make tofu the most is one I will just crumble it into whatever I'm making, like into kind that comes in like the shrink-wrapped container, not the Tetra Pak, and I crumble it up with my hands until it's little bits. This is great because I don't have to dirty a knife or a cutting board to do that. So it's like low effort and I just put it into whatever I'm doing.
Speaker 3:Like I'll put it into like miso soup and it incorporates so, especially if the texture of tofu is like an issue, which I think that's. Another one of the things that people don't like about tofu is the texture. You're not really going to get the texture. If you like the texture of you know, grounds, of whatever ground meat, or you like the texture of egg or something like that, that's kind of what there's going to be like, so that's, that's an easy way, and then you don't have to worry about flavoring, it's just going to be, it's going to taste like whatever you're eating. So that's a good one. The other way I like to do it and you actually, liam, did a video on doing this recipe and that's where I got the idea. I was like, oh, that looks good, I need to try it now. It's like the only way I make tofu. It was, I think, a Fit Green Mind recipe, where she put it in cornstarch and then she pan fried it and then she put it in a hot pan and then did the sauce.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was one of my favorite like recipe reviews. I did like and what was really nice about it is you just tear it, because normally you like chop it up into cubes. But I find tearing it it gives it more surface area. I'm not a mathologist, but like I think the surface area increases and like it just contacts the pan more and like it gives you more of a crunch, which I think a lot of people were missing with tofu, which is kind of this like blob.
Speaker 3:They're like yeah, I don't like it well and I think that the sauce kind of like penetrates and gets you get more sauce in it. It collects the sauce better, because I've tried to do similar stuff with cubed tofu and it just straight up doesn't work as well. Um, now, I don't like standing over a pan and babysitting stuff, so I don't usually pan fry it. I put it on parchment paper in the oven so that I can forget about it and make the other parts of the meal, and I do it that way and then, like once it's already like all cooked, then I put it in like a dry pan. Uh, and I do it that way what are your like what it sauces?
Speaker 1:what are, what are the the necessary things for a sauce for you, like when it comes to tofu, because I think that's like the most for me, that's like the most important thing when it comes to tofu, because, again, it's just like bland. To me it's bland, I don't really taste much, so it needs, like some sauce. What do you put in your sauces?
Speaker 3:Yeah. So my absolute favorite go-to sauce and I'll say I do make this myself, but you could totally buy, like a store-bought, like teriyaki kind of sauce, and this is true across the board it needs to have something that's salty, it needs to have something that's sweet and it needs to have something that's sour in order to be a good sauce. So a lot of times, like my base sauce is if it's more of like an asian style something it's like soy sauce, rice vinegar, a little bit of maple syrup, and then I add hot sauce, uh, you know, and I might add some like veggie broth to thin it out. If it's too, I want to extend it, or I might squeeze orange juice in it, I might change it up, but that's the base. It's just soy sauce. Oh, and sesame oil, because sesame oil makes everything taste better.
Speaker 1:I was going to say it needs an oil. So the sesame oil is really good. I really like the chili crisp that comes in the oil. I like spice. So if you don't like spice, don't do that, but if you're if you're a heat person, get the like chili crisp or like I don't know. I did that like Matthew McConaughey, where he's like jalapeno crisp and now I've got like six jars of fucking jalapeno crisp sitting around here somewhere that I'm like I got to use this so like you know, something crispy and it's and it's spicy and it, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:So that's kind of like how I think about everything in this, what that will transition over to like non-asian based sauces as well. So if I'm thinking about I'm going to make a vinaigrette, um, so yeah, I would say that there should be a fat in there as well. So I put that in there. But flavor wise, it's the sour, sweet and salty so then, if I'm making like a, vinaigrette.
Speaker 3:It'll be uh like either balsamic vinegar or apple cider vinegar you know a different type of vinegar and then something sweet, so that could be juice, that could be again. Maple syrup is my personal sweetener of choice.
Speaker 1:I live in maine and we're just maple syrup, yeah, right, right it's good I mean maple syrup like real maple syrup is like it's that shit's good, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I have some in my fridge right now that my friend tapped and like made, so it's like just chef's kiss, so good.
Speaker 3:So you know and then maybe I'll do tahini in there for the fat, or you can use olive oil, or I love to use the oil that comes in like marinated artichoke hearts for dressings, because it adds so much flavor, so that could be a good one. And then you know salt or mustard or something like that, that. So it's like I'm just always thinking what's sour, what's salty, what's sweet in a sauce, I think adding the fat is definitely key.
Speaker 1:Like it really just helps out the flavor a lot. I see a lot of you it's tough like, okay, fats, nine calories per gram right, they're, totally I get it. They're more calorie dense. And when you're trying to lose weight you know people trying to eat healthier often they are also trying to lose weight not always, but a lot of times they are. So they reduce the fats really low and then you end up with these sauces that just taste like shit. Have you ever had, like skinny girl fucking dressing where it's just like xanthan gum and like you know, all these different emulsifiers? Like I'm not. They're totally fine, whatever. Like I'm not saying you're trying to eat, but it it doesn't taste. It tastes fucking sad, like emptiness. It tastes like emptiness, that's the best way I can describe it. Fat really gives it. You don't have to go over the top but, like Jesus, add a little bit of the sesame oil, like the oil from other things, whatever. Just something. Add some of that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. I mean my philosophy with that is, you know, because, again, calorie density is a thing is my philosophy with oil, because, again, calorie density is a thing is my philosophy with oil. Because I would say that I probably cook with less oil than a lot of people do, and it's not for like a health scare, like well, it's bad. It's not for that reason, but, like the way I think about it is, is the oil adding pleasure and vital to the flavor and the texture of what I'm making? Because there are times where it is and there's times where it isn't. So like, if I'm making a soup, for example, and I'm sauteing veggies in the bottom of my soup and then I'm going to drown that in broth and I'm going to add a bunch of other stuff, like I'm not going to know whether or not the oils there, I mean it's negligible anyway.
Speaker 2:But for me it's like that's not adding it.
Speaker 3:If it's a dressing, though, like if I'm thinking about, and this kind of goes back to like my viewpoint on moderation, because I think that a lot of people, um, they're still viewing the idea of moderation from an inherently restrictive framework where it's like, like I'm always getting that question of but how much is too much, but how much is too much, but how much is too much.
Speaker 3:How much can I get away with? I want to. How much is too much? But how much is too much? But how much is too much? How much can I get away with? I want to. I want a number on where I need to stop and that's still controlling it from like an area of restriction. And I think a lot of people cause when we're talking about plant-based nutrition. But right now, like, if you go to my page, most of what I talk about is binge eating and ADHD. That's where I spend a lot of my time now, not plant-based stuff.
Speaker 3:Um, I think it's just you got to think about everything that you do as being a dance. How can I feel as good as I can without feeling deprived? And that line is going to be different for every single person. Um, you know, and it's like it shouldn't be about. At what point do I need to start controlling? It should be. Shouldn't be about. At what point do I need to start controlling? It should be. Oh, okay, how am I feeling? Because you can control till the cows come home and end up with a quote unquote perfect diet.
Speaker 3:But if you're miserable and you're having all these compensatory reactions where you're craving and you're having shame spirals and you're having all of these issues, that's not necessarily helpful for you specifically. So, like the answer to inner moderation, like what is moderation and I think oils is such a good example of that, because you know that point is different for everybody is you know, if cutting back on oil helps you feel better, then that's not a bad thing to do. But there's not a cutoff point to this. Is too much oil? It's just where. Where are you going to enjoy what you're doing so much that it's easy to do every day and you don't want to stop, uh, and you're feeling good, and that takes negotiation to figure that out. There's not one right answer.
Speaker 1:Is that kind of your advice for like most I mean, you know, obviously you said oil, but like I feel like it's pretty good advice. With most things You're just like you know, find along that line, try different things, and at one point where you're like, oh, fuck this. No, I'm not going to be able to stick to this for the rest of my life, so it's just not worth it.
Speaker 3:Well, absolutely, and I think that the other part too is at what point is my brain going into panic mode? Because what I find and again one of the many hats I have worn in my career is in diabetes care, and I think with diabetes, the thought is the best amount of sugar is zero sugar. When it comes to diabetes, right, and that's, that's the dogma that I think a lot of people are riding with, the best amount of carbs I could have would be as close to zero carbs as possible. But I find that what and this is kind of how I got into the topic of binge eating initially is I found that a lot of people, when they were striving for that, ended up binging and having way more sugar than they would have if they just had a little bit every day, and so like.
Speaker 3:I've had a few clients that I've worked with who you know had, you know, really high A1Cs, were on insulin and we're just struggling. They're like I need to I on insulin and we're just struggling. They're like I need to I. This is serious, like I need to get this under control, and then just saying like, okay, how about we have intentional dessert every day, full sugar, whatever, and they just stopped binging and all of a sudden, their diabetes like they stopped needing to take insulin. Their numbers got better, like you know, things got back into control and it's like sometimes it's like you have to compare what is the quote-unquote ideal with what is the real lived experience that you are having when you are trying to chase that ideal I absolutely that, and so of course I'm a little biased because I love the study, but where they took children and they had the one group of children where they were never.
Speaker 2:There was a table full of candy and they were not allowed to touch it unless they were told that they could go take one, yeah, or take some. And they, when they were told, they would just go and they would binge the ever-loving fuck out of that table. And then there was the other group of children where they were allowed to approach the table, have candy whenever they wanted, and they would go up and they would have one piece and then they would go back to playing yeah, yeah, and I mean honestly like I think that that principle for a lot of people is huge.
Speaker 3:It's that that, okay, we're gonna, we're gonna reduce the scarcity that we have around these foods, um, and not make it like a situation where you know you're having to exert so much effort to avoid it that it's all that you can think about all the time. And also that I think when people are in an environment of scarcity, it elevates the value of those foods.
Speaker 2:So when they do have an opportunity, it's like this is my last time I'm going to have this starting tomorrow.
Speaker 3:We're not doing this anymore, so I'm going to have as much as I can, and there's something super powerful about saying, okay, I'm going to give myself permission to include these foods, and I'm going to be curious about what my brain does with that and I'm going to try to support myself in a in a positive way as opposed to control myself, and I think that's so scary for a lot of people to to lean into that.
Speaker 3:But I have seen again and again and again with a lot of the clients that I work with that when they do that, when they actually commit to that, uh, it's like people who have had challenges with food for years and years and years and years, in like a week or two of just giving themselves unconditional permission, find that like it, the amount that they're binging just plummets, like they feel comfortable they can actually think about when they want to have these foods, as opposed to being like so, uh, so wrapped up into it's available now, it's only going to be available now, so I have to have all of it now. It's more like do I want this now Cause I could have it tomorrow if I wanted to you know, like it's just such a different environment mentally.
Speaker 2:I went shopping yesterday and I was able to walk past the chips and be like you know what I had chips recently. I don't really feel like buying chips.
Speaker 1:I get where people are coming from, though, because the amount of videos I have getting, I've gotten tagged in where someone it's. They're usually walking and they're yelling. That's typically the way. Like I'm not, but there's like I've had enough. This is it. I've been unhealthy so long. Now I'm taking control and I'm gonna do everything. Right, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna stop doing that, I'm gonna do this. I'm always gonna do that, and I'm like listen, I love the passion. That passion is so dope.
Speaker 1:Let's channel that maybe a little bit better, though, because what you are saying is you are going to be perfect and you, I promise you are not you're. If you strive for that, it's not going to work, and I think that the reason they think that is because it's kind of been pushed on us, because other videos I get tagged in it's always like if you're fat, why is that? Why? Why are you so lazy? Why don't you just put in the effort? All you have to do is put in the effort, like I do, and then you won't be fat. Like that's the type of shit I see. So like that leads into these people going yes, those people are right, and so I'm gonna take control and do everything and I'm like let's just, let's just channel that shit a little bit better and, like you said, it's fine you can have. Let's not completely restrict from this, cause that's going to go poorly, but let's make just some small improvements and give it time, cause damn man. So I get where people are coming from.
Speaker 1:They want to do the right thing, but it's just, it's, it's misplaced. I feel like Absolutely.
Speaker 3:I think the other big thing is that when people are striving for perfection, there's two things that happen for people psychologically. One of them is that there's this kind of seductive idea that it's just about always making the right choice If I can just say no, and that sounds so simple. It sounds so simple, it's just not because your body's working against. Simple, it sounds so simple, it's just.
Speaker 3:It's just not because your body's working against you, your mind's working against you, everything is working against you on that one. So you know, embracing that, it is not just as simple as always saying no forever, because that's if that worked, that would have worked, you know. But the second one is when we're striving for perfection as opposed to striving for curiosity and trying to actually get in touch with what feels good and having an open mind about what that landing place looks like, is people, the bar that people set for like? They start categorizing a day as a lot of times I go well, what does eating look like for you? And they'll be like well, this is what a good day looks like for me and this is what a bad day looks like for me.
Speaker 3:And the interesting thing is that when we're saying, all right, I'm going to have the energy and, starting tomorrow, everything is going to be perfect, is that our bar for a bad day? Is one thing going on Like our bar for a good day, is everything going right to a T? And the issue is that, if it's like you know, you had a really solid breakfast, you had a really solid lunch, you went out and you went for a walk and that was awesome. And then you came back and God forbid had a cookie and you're just like, ah.
Speaker 1:I did it. You know today's a bad day. They had them at the office, they had donuts and I had one. Well, fuck it All right, the rest of the day is a wash Today is bad, don't go tomorrow. We'll start again tomorrow.
Speaker 3:Since this day is already labeled as bad, I might as well get my ya-ya's out and have every single thing that I have possibly been craving.
Speaker 3:And then they start over the next day, and it's just like well, we got to acknowledge that we're never going to be perfect human beings. Nobody is, none of us are. No one's going to be perfect. None of us are, no one's going to be perfect. And, uh, any, any amount of something that you do that is supporting your body and your goals makes it a good day. You know, we can't have the bar for a good day being absolute perfection, because we're just going to be stuck on a cycle.
Speaker 2:We keep the bar on the floor here.
Speaker 1:We, we, we talk about that a lot here. Bars on the floor, let's walk over it and then we can raise it a little bit. We raise it like a tiny bit and that's great. You did a little bit better, ah, shit.
Speaker 1:But in terms of like, I'm not. I'm far from an expert on like binge eating, but from the what I've seen from other creators who talk about it a lot, it does seem like this what we've talked about a lot. I know like eliza. Eliza has started this, but like the eat what you want, add what you need, sort of mentality and just combining things helps out a lot where right, where you, you have something you want, but instead of just going to town on it, like I just picked up some fucking hey man, I went to costco and they're like you want you, you want some the. You want to try the new, uh, golden sriracha doritos? Here's a 30 pound bag of them. You're gonna have to carry them like one of those fucking giant bears. You went at the fair. You know, like how am I? What is this? There's no way in hell I'm gonna be able to finish these before they go stale.
Speaker 2:Like give me in little packages anyway, that's my assuming you bought them for the Super Bowl party.
Speaker 1:I for a family of like 13 minimum, like it's the. The bag is massive, uh, anyway. So, like you know it's like, instead of just going to town on that, like you know, you add the other things to it, right, you add like a vegetable, you add some fruit, you add some nuts, you add some other things that will aid in the satiety and, you know, add a little bit more nutrition. Have you seen that like helping people?
Speaker 3:Oh, totally, totally. And I think too, like what I found is that when I'm working with clients, I think a big part of it, a big part of I think, improving a binge pattern, you kind of start by improving the restriction pattern. That's like a big part of it. Like it's kind of letting, letting all foods fit is a is so helpful but it is so scary for a lot of people to do that, which makes total sense. And I think that the have what you want, add what you need, is really helpful on a physiological level because it helps you feel full, it helps you not be restricted, like on a functional level. I love it.
Speaker 3:But I think on a psychological level too, it helps people do that work, because I think that it is really hard to kind of say, ok, I'm just going to blindly go into this and just you know, keep a value pack of ice cream sandwiches in my refrigerator and see how it goes. Like that feels super scary. And saying, ok, I'm going to have that with something psychologically feels more like a plan and I think that that that helps people. So I think it helps on multiple levels. I love that framework personally.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because I never really. I'm always like with the binge eating, the ADHD, like I know you said you kind of work with that as well Like I'm never, really never sure. The comment I get a lot from people who say they deal with that. It's like I just forget, forget to eat, like I eat like once like a day and I just like totally forget and I'm like I don't know what that's like because I eat all the time, like I'm constantly eating, so I, I, I don't know how to help yeah, well, I feel like with adhd there's like two flavors uh, they're the people who don't eat all day, and then they're just like all their nutrition is in like one go at the end of the day when their meds have worn off.
Speaker 3:Um, or that pattern can happen if people are unmedicated too, but or it's the people who are using food for stemming and they're munching all day and it's kind of it's one of the two usually.
Speaker 3:So you know, if hunger is a part of it too, like like, I find that for a lot of people I work with with adhd, undernourishing during the day is a huge part of why they might binge at nighttime. I mean, there's a lot of other factors. It's never usually just that, but uh, I've had a number of people with ADHD where it's like when we work on having breakfast and having lunch, or even if it's not like a meal but like having more snacks during the day, if they're one of those people that doesn't eat all day, um, that the frequency with which they're they're binging at nighttime, it like drops, like a rock like they might still do it because there's other factors.
Speaker 3:But um, it's huge, but it's also tricky to figure out how to do that like that. Takes a lot of troubleshooting to figure out how to make that not another item on their to-do list.
Speaker 2:That already feels overwhelming right, so that's tough you know, it's a, it's a balance another item on their to-do list that feels overwhelming, makes me think of um, you also post or reposted a video, because I actually saw the first time you posted this and I know I I did because I had it light, but um, you reposted um a thing on restraint collapse yeah that really resonated with me, at least this time around.
Speaker 2:I guess maybe I was in a better place the first time I saw it, but I actually, um, after seeing your video, I actually was like holy crap, this is me. Um, I need to take a step back from what I'm doing because I'm pushing myself way too hard, yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm so glad to hear that resonated.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Fill me in. What's what's going on here? What are we talking about? Collapse.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So, um, a lot of times, like I think, a lot of people who are neurodivergent it there's a lot of. I mean, it can be masking, it can be just the way that your brain works, but I think there's a constant vacillation between um, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, get it all done, be productive, and then just absolutely, like I call it, like turning into a burrito on the couch.
Speaker 3:Like you were just gone Like you are checked out. You have used all of your mental juice, uh, in trying to accomplish the things that you're trying to accomplish, and it takes so much more mental power, especially for people who are in a traditional work environment, um, because they're. It's not just self-directed stuff, I mean, I don't know, it's both, cause I would say that, like, as a as a business owner myself, you know there's also ways to like not have boundaries if it's your business.
Speaker 3:So you know, it's just, and I think that part of this vacillation between being all go and all stop, uh, is that there's this feeling, with neurodivergence and the ADHD in particular, that when you have a period of good focus, you have to take advantage of it and see it to its end, cause it's the only time you're going to be productive, uh, and so that can happen on a daily basis. So I've seen these cycles happen, like the first part of the day is like super sucked in, and especially people on meds, that's like definitely a pattern, followed by absolute inability to function or do anything other than eat or use alcohol or substances or more numb for the rest of the night. Or I've also noticed that this can happen on like a, on a weekly cycle where, like Monday, tuesday, they're like super clued in and then they're struggling, thursday, friday, and then they're burnt out. Like you know, it's just this, this thing, and I also think there's a problem with the in society.
Speaker 2:We've got that ideal that if you're not doing well enough, then you're not working hard enough.
Speaker 3:Yes, totally, Totally, and a lot of that feeling of like I need to do as much as I can while I can do it. You know it comes from very real economic pressures that people have.
Speaker 2:You know it's not.
Speaker 3:It's not like something that's in your head. Like that pressure is absolutely real. You know it's not. It's not like something that's in your head, like that pressure is absolutely real. And one thing that I like to visualize for people when they're trying to break this cycle and have a little bit more balance is, like you know, I'm at like in video games. I think this is like a very relatable way to talk about this.
Speaker 3:If you are sprinting, if your game character is sprinting, and you use up your stamina bar, you have to like you're slow for a while until that stamina bar gets to a certain point. And I think people generally speaking, but especially people with ADHD, it's the same. You know, if you use up all of your juice and you get you run it dry, you are going to be in the mud for a bit until you recharge. And I think there's a couple of ways to think about managing that. One of them is to try to not hit that point. That is not feasible for everybody to do, depending on their job or their the way their brain works. For me personally, that works great. Like I think of how much I should do and then I try to take off like 10%, so that I don't hit that point and my husband comes in and reminds me too.
Speaker 2:That's what I've been working on is not hitting that point and taking the step back and reprogramming my brain to say, it's okay, I didn't get this much done.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Cause in reality like not that this is the goal and I don't want to get into like a toxic productivity standpoint with it, but if you are not hitting burnout, you will be able to hum along a lot better and your productivity will be better and your ability to do things mentally will be better.
Speaker 2:And you'll enjoy what you're doing better.
Speaker 3:Yes, absolutely. The other thing because, again, I worked with people where that, that is, the demands of their job make that very challenging to do is having acceptance around the fact that you have to recover and letting yourself actually do that, because I think that a lot of times when people are getting into that recovery mode, they just beat up on themselves for not being able to do anything and that sabotages their ability to recover in the first place. So just saying, all right, I pushed super hard, we're just going to sit on the couch and watch TV, have some snacks today and recover, and just letting that be therapeutic.
Speaker 1:That actually leads me into a question that I always ask people who work with clients. Well, okay, I don't ask them because I often forget, but when I do remember I ask them. And that's like when you for people, I like to ask people who work on clients, like, what traits do you see amongst your clients that are common, amongst people who are successful, you know? So, basically, you know, like what are these? These people are successful. They all kind of do X, y or Z or whatever, like you just said. They're able to kind of accept that they need to. You know, be okay with not doing everything like you know, just stuff like that.
Speaker 3:Totally. I think the first and the biggest trait that I see are people who get really comfortable with failure and they welcome failure as a learning opportunity. I think that's the biggest. I think when people go failed I failed, I did what's wrong with me and they start getting into that cycle. Um, that makes it really hard.
Speaker 3:But if people go, you know I uh, I noticed that I had two really really rough days at work. Um, I was super busy, overwhelmed. I came home and I went absolute nuts and I prepped food, but the food I ate just didn't sound good. I didn't eat it. I went to the store, I else, um, and I just like had a, went absolute ham. You know, like, if that's the story, they're like, why did I do that? You know I have a tool I need to develop. Uh, can I be curious about that, not beat myself up because my brain did that to protect me? Like, ultimately, that comes down to your brain trying to help you survive in whatever situation you're in, and if you can get curious about that, um, and not let it shut you down, I think that quality is probably the most powerful in my clients, who do really really well, you know.
Speaker 1:I think, yeah, being willing to accept failure and just being okay Okay, hear me out here. Um, being okay with just being dumb sometimes. Listen, hear me out here. Okay, here, okay. So my, my car.
Speaker 1:I called around to like seven different auto places trying to get a remote start on my car because it's cold outside. I'm trying to get a remote start on my car, right, I'm calling around, I'm trying to figure it out. I call up like the actual fucking honda dealership, all right. And I'm like, all right, I need a road start my car. And they're like quoting me things and stuff like yeah, yeah, whatever. I finally get to the guy who actually works on cars and he's like I'm sorry, uh, sir, what, what, um, what models do you have? And I'm like honda pilot, whatever. He's like yeah, you've already got a remote start on your car.
Speaker 1:I had no fucking clue, no idea, and I just started bust out laughing. I'm like, holy shit, he's. Yeah, you see that little like mostly filled circle on your, on your fucking key fob or whatever it is. Yeah, just hit that button. I did. Boom, car starts right out. I've been running out in the fucking cold ass weather to start the car holding my daughter, we're both cold. Running back in this whole time I had a button right on my fucking car. I would have just paid somebody to and they I literally could have paid someone and then they would just been like here you go, it's done, and I would have paid them whatever kind of money and it would have already just been there like no idea. I don't fucking know cars. I know literally dick about cars, okay, and so, and that's fine, and that's fine. I'm not a car guy. My dad fixes fucking everything in sight. I don't know how to fucking change uh, I barely know how to change a light bulb, right. So like it's, it's okay. I, I don't, I'm not a handyman, all right.
Speaker 2:That's why I have how many liams does it take to change a light bulb?
Speaker 1:I do, okay, I don't know understand so much like the differences. Like there's led and that's what we're supposed to be using, because that's better than incandescent, because that's older and takes more energy. I learned this at cosi when I take my daughter to the museum, anyway. So like I don't, just I don't know these things so like, and then you know that's fine, I just, you know you gotta be okay with just being dumb sometimes and just laughing. I'd be like I'm fucking cracked up. I told my wife and I was just like laughing. She didn't know either, like neither of us. We're both just fucking laughing. It's in this whole time. We had it we're talking about. Oh, it'd be so nice, we had a remote star, had it the whole time. You know it's fine, it's all fine, laugh and move on. There's no reason to get. You know people get like. You know no need to get mad about it.
Speaker 3:Anyway. No, I mean there's a lot of power in being self-deprecating and just like joking around with it and not not getting worked up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, holy shit the people that take themselves so so seriously To amalgamate everything we were talking about there.
Speaker 2:Um, going back to the a little bit, to the ADHD and stuff, possibly one of the more damaging things I did was think that because the ADHD is something wrong with me, I have to get past it, I have to work on all this stuff, instead of accepting that, yes, I have it and things are going to work differently. And if I can't do something the way that the, the normal people can do it, then that's okay, it's like oh whatever you know, I'll just do it this way, or maybe I'll just have to find somebody to help me, yeah.
Speaker 1:I need that a lot. Holy shit, one time I need someone to help me Cause I locked my keys in the car and my spare key Both of them.
Speaker 2:Don't even ask. Oh, yeah, listen listen, listen, listen.
Speaker 1:Okay, I had a key and I had to go into a place where I couldn't like take stuff. Like it was a long story, it's not important, okay, so I left my key in the car because I knew I had a spare key. All right, so I leave everything in the car. I come back, I get my spare key, I open the door to get my phone because I want to run in and take a picture of something. I close the door and immediately I look at both my fucking spare key and my key in the car and I was like holy shit, my girlfriend at the time never let me live that down, never. And I was like you know what? That's fair, like I understand it. But yeah, I had to have. I had to like we had another key she had to take like a taxi out.
Speaker 2:So we had three keys.
Speaker 1:I had fucking three keys for a car that I needed to get into some and I just laughed at it. I had their key and so like it's, that's a fucking day, and I think back to that often. I just laugh at it because I'm like oh, that was stupid, let me try not do it again. But who knows, maybe I will. It's all fine, it's fine yeah, bars on the floor on the fucking floor.
Speaker 1:Man, listen, I'm still. Listen, I'm an idiot and I still have a successful social media thing with a podcast and all this shit. If a dummy like me can do this, you'll be fine. Okay, just laugh. You gotta be able to laugh yourself a little bit and be dumb and be okay with failure. Failure's fine, it helps you off. Okay, it's cool, chill out anyway yeah, I mean honestly you.
Speaker 3:You can't learn what works for you and what doesn't unless you fail. You can't. It's super necessary. Going back to what you were saying, rob, my motto is always change the habit to fit you, don't change to fit the habits you want to have. That's just never going to work. I see people trying to bash their head against the wall trying to do that.
Speaker 3:A resource I um I cannot remember the name of the person, maybe you know, uh, but it's a book called, I think it's how to keep house while drowning Um, is it's. It's all about, like you know, I remember the biggest takeaway that I had from that was why am I spending all of this time trying to fold laundry when I hate doing it? And then I don't do it and then I have piles everywhere. I wash it and then it's just like all my laundry, like and this gosh. I wish I could remember the name of this, the creator, I think she.
Speaker 3:She focuses on, like ADHD and neurodivergence, but she's like well, if you're, why are you wasting so much energy trying to fold your laundry? Just put them in piles and move on. You know, like nobody cares. Nobody cares that your laundry is folded At this point, all the materials I have are non wrinkling anyway. So, like, why am I taking time out of my day when I could be doing something I actually enjoy doing? You know, it's like if something is a drain just because it's like what you should do, like throw it out the window, it's taken up space you don't need it. Like you will need to figure out how it works for you and you know, like I don't know, I just I resonate with that thing is keeping the kitchen clean when you have roommates.
Speaker 2:please do that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that one, that one definitely definitely.
Speaker 1:Two things for other people, for yourself fuck it. No, I listen. Yeah, I get people that like message me. You're like your house looks like shit, I'm like it does and I'm fine with that. Like I don't give a. What am I? Oh my god, it's not clean. Who gives a shit like what am I using anything over there? It's fine, whatever, I get by, okay. Oh man, what's the thing? I only saw? I did a video the other day where it was like a woman was making a recipe and and like there was a tiny fucking hair in the cocoa powder, like the tiniest hair, and the entire comment section was like oh my god, you had a hair in your cocoa powder, like whole. Who gives a fucking shit like what? What? I have three dogs I've got like. If you have animals, whatever, it's like why are you God? That's my ranch.
Speaker 3:Hair everywhere I got an animal.
Speaker 2:Pippin just came in my door.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you want some snow.
Speaker 3:Always hair everywhere, always hair. Yeah, again, it's just people get hung up on rules. Man, like there's no rules, you gotta do this. I'm not just breathing in hair.
Speaker 1:Oh, keep kidding and I think that comes a lot from like you know, like a lot of the influencers, like in order to do these things, you have to do x, y and z. Like you have to do this, like that's another thing I get tagged in. A lot people like man, eating healthy is hard, I have to eat this much protein. I have to do this. Like that's another thing I get tagged in a lot is people like man, eating healthy is hard, I have to eat this much protein. I have to drink this much water, but not do this. I have to do cardio, but not too intense, that it's going to spike my cortisol and then I'm not going to be able. I'm like bro, bro, bring it down. Like it's fine, you don't have to do really. Like you have to you to. You have to like there are some things that have to be done, but you can do them in a myriad of ways. You don't have to do these specific things like make it work for you.
Speaker 2:I hate the, I hate the. Anything that um has something in it is no longer water thing going on where coffee's not water because it's got something in it, soda's not water because it's got something and it's like, no, this is water.
Speaker 1:Seltzer's, not water.
Speaker 3:The whole coffee is dehydrating thing, it doesn't count as fluid when you're drinking it. I'm like guys, we're losing the thread here. I think people are visual, though I think they're visual creatures when they can see on social media somebody having the life that they want to have. They're like I got to do the things that they do and I can see it, because I can see them doing it and they can't see the way that works for them, like so it's. It's hard for them to conceptualize that you know, because they're not, they're not imagining well, what's the life I want to have, you know?
Speaker 3:and then everybody on social media is only posting the highlights of the but then it's like they never paused to ask do I actually want that life? Like I think fitness content can be a lot like that. You know where it's like, oh yeah, I should work out every day, but they never paused to ask if that's the mode of exercise that they actually enjoy doing. Some people love it, some people don't, but then they try to like trick themselves into liking it instead of finding, you know, you do have to just do it and the act of doing it you might start to enjoy it. I have absolutely experienced that with strength training. I hated it at first and now I actually really enjoy it. But so there can be a little bit of that like you do have to try and like give it a good shake, but especially with some of these like influencers who were doing all these crazy things, it's like do you really want to get in a bucket of cold water?
Speaker 1:Like oh shit man, cold water. Like oh shit man, those ice baths and whatnot. Man, that trend was weird. There's like I mean it's all sorts of videos like, oh, you want to burn calories, just get in a cold shower. I'm like, yeah, this whole time the obesity epidemic.
Speaker 2:No, no, no cold shower if that were true, canada would be the most fit place in the.
Speaker 1:In the world, we're constantly cold they're like a calorie is a unit of heat measurement, so all you gotta do is make cold and cold, make fat go away and you lean. I'm like, okay, listen, you made a lot of jumps there and there's like, oh yeah yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 3:That's my biggest pet peeve in nutrition, though, is like these massive logical leaps, and you see that nowhere better than like the supplement industry yeah, where it's like they take some little teeny, tiny rat study and then they draw all of these leaping conclusions to try to sell you okay, what are you in the supplements like?
Speaker 1:are you like, is there's like, okay, these few I actually like and can be useful. Are you kind of just like, and no supplements except B12 for deagons, like where? Where are you landed on that?
Speaker 3:Um, I guess we should parse out what we mean by supplement, because there's like. There's like nutritional supplements and then there's like herbal supplements, you know what I mean, Like two different things specifically nutritional supplements.
Speaker 3:I think it depends on your diet, um, and what your lab values, and I think that, look, I don't want people to stress themselves out having to eat a diet that they don't enjoy to try to get everything unsupplemented, you know, if that is causing stress for them. Like, yes, we need a variety, we need balance. It's better to get through nutrition but, like you know, for example, I take an omega-3 supplement and I do that because you can get it from flax and chia. I mean, there's also a lot of questions about the, but let's say, let's say I wasn't vegan though, um, I was never a fish person. I don't like fish. Yeah, I don't want to. I invited you to this contest and you're not a fish person.
Speaker 3:Oh, we're not gonna be able to invite a lot of people, a lot of people, don't like fish or I think, I think you'd be surprised by how few people actually enjoy eating fish yeah, it's like do I know that there are benefits to omega-3, do you?
Speaker 2:like pineapple on pizza. I do it's my favorite man.
Speaker 3:Ah, sweet and salty, it's like I love it, um, but like am I gonna make myself eat fish multiple times a week when I don't like it for the benefits of omega-3? When I could take a supplement because I don't like it, you know, like I. So I think in situations like that it can be helpful. I I think people taking a lot of supplements willy-nilly is um, for the most part it's it's not necessary. Um, but also like I can.
Speaker 2:I can appreciate people not wanting to put a lot of thought into it um, and as somebody who's autistic, I like I do like ribbing people about the things like fish, but yeah like I do have a lot of food aversion, yeah, and so I'm just there are things that I'm just not going to eat, and it could be for the stupidest reason, yeah yeah, totally.
Speaker 3:Um, I think they're a great tool to use, uh, yeah, but herbal supplements, uh, there are some that show some benefit, but I think, again, I think people oversell what they can accomplish vastly overstated. And yeah, just wild, and yeah, just wild it's always that your body needs this.
Speaker 1:So and this has that and therefore it will do all these things. It will boost your metabolism and I always feel, because people tag me in these videos and they're like is this true? I'm like like, yes, this your body needs, I don't know, magnesium for this thing, but is taking this specific form in this amount going to do make you feel like a new person?
Speaker 3:Probably not, you know it's small, small gains at best. Um, I think one of the. I did a video um on like probiotic supplements and like one of the things that like probiotic supplements, there is some research behind is the fact that they can help people with chronic constipation. However, the studies on that shows that it, on average, increases people's bowel movements I can't remember what it was, what the figure was, but it was like by three quarters of a bowel movement a week is the improvement which is like if you're going from one bowel movement a week to like two bowel movements a week.
Speaker 3:That might be significant for somebody, um, but for a lot of it's it's not. It's not curing constipation. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So it's like the overselling of it.
Speaker 3:It's the overselling, yeah, it's, the overselling is really, is really big.
Speaker 2:Um, I've been getting asked about um cayenne a lot lately, that seems to be really high end yeah and it's like yeah, it contains um like the same thing that we we've isolated into aspirin, but at such a minuscule dose, yeah, with the dosage, yeah, oh, what's the one fuck, I love the, the god damn it.
Speaker 1:What's the one where they take like they take something and they dilute it by like one, one, one millionth, and then they dilute it again, and then they dilute it again, like over and over again, and then you, you drink it. It's like a it's, it's fuck I don't remember the name of it, but that's like, that's like my favorite. They just take like one thing that it's like either like toxic, and then they'll like dilute it a hundred times until there's nothing left in it and then they say this will like cure something and it's.
Speaker 1:That's, that's my favorite something like colloidal silver oh, it's like like beach, I'm gonna I'm gonna remember pac-man? Yeah, the it's, but like it you can, you? It moves a lot of products. We'll just, I guess we'll just put it that way, yeah it does.
Speaker 3:It just always blows my mind, though, that people are really skeptical at recommendations. I have a lot of research that's put out by larger institutions. They're like no, no, no, not that, but they will totally buy a supplement from some guy on the internet based on one rat study.
Speaker 2:I'm like okay. But that guy with the rat study had abs he had abs. That's that's important yep, I get, I get that a lot, where people will be like, yeah, but paul saladino looks healthier than you or whatever, and it's like they especially base it on our skin tones and I'm like, yeah, I live in canada and I get five hours of sunlight and if I go outside I have to wear a winter coat. He lives in fucking costa rica.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I wonder which of us is going to get more sun yeah, I've gotten that same when I've done a few videos on paul saladino. Um I it's so funny because it's like half the comments are he looks sick and then half of the comments are you look sick and he looks healthy and it's just like okay.
Speaker 3:But again, I live in, I live in maine, so it's very close to canada. Um, I do not get a lot of sun. A lot of the time I've got freckles, so it hides that fact. But uh, and I'm a new parent that does not get a lot of sleep, so I'm like, yeah, I look tired.
Speaker 2:You would too if, uh yeah, he's also rich and gets to hire people to cook for him, and I swear he does not know how to cook that last video one of his recent videos where he was talking about burning milk I don't think he knows how to cook right yeah, well, it was part of the oreo one he also. He said if I took that torch to beef or to milk it would instantly burn. It's like that's not how cooking works, paul.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, that reminds me total tangent. Have you ever seen the video of Gordon Ramsay making a grilled cheese sandwich?
Speaker 2:I don't think I have Wait. No, Is that the one where he did bad and people came at him?
Speaker 3:It was so it was the most heinous grilled cheese sandwich, yes, sandwich, yes, okay, I do know what you're talking about. It's like this like super thick bread and then he like puts these like massive slices of like super stinky cheese and he puts like kimchi in the middle and then he tries to cook it over with fire and he burns half of it and then the cheese isn't melted and he's like biting.
Speaker 1:It's just I did not see, that's pretty good homeopathy is what I was thinking of, like homeopathic medicine oh yeah, okay, I just blanking on it. I like homeopathic medicine. It's fucking, it's it's wild, it's out there, but like it's fun anyway you know what.
Speaker 3:So my, my parents were very hippie parents, like anti-vax, the whole, the whole thing, whole thing. And uh, I never went. I don't remember going to a pediatrician as a kid, but I had a homeopathist.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. What did you? What prescriptions did you get?
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, it was like you have bad dreams. Take this little, this little remedy, and it was just like these little teeny, tiny capsules that just tasted like sugar and I was like, give me my sugar pills, please. And I feel like, even as a kid, like I knew what was up. But yeah, it was, that was, that was the thing I just I always have. Every day I'd have my little teeny sugar balls and I liked it.
Speaker 2:We legit had somebody come on here I forget who it was, but it was. They were telling about how one of their friends put out a supplement and he literally just bought sugar pills and threw them in a bottle because he could.
Speaker 1:Yeah, supplement industry, man and people will still be like this. Changed my life, yep.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. Every time I do a supplement review it's like I get those comments no but it really works and I'm like okay, it really works. That's your experience, man, keep rocking it, whatever.
Speaker 2:Communicity. Man, placebo is placebo, and any sort of bias like that, as soon as it sinks in, changes your mentality. It changes you know. You're like, oh, this is going to work. So you start picking yourself up, go to work. So you start, uh, picking yourself up and so I mean, yeah, I guess if, if the placebo is working for you, that's great.
Speaker 3:I guess maybe I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I've gotten some comments when I've talked about the placebo effect, where people are like, so you're just calling me crazy, and I was like oh no, the placebo effect is real. That's why we have to integrate it into like into studies like it's not like you're not getting a benefit.
Speaker 1:You are, it's just. You would have gotten a benefit if there was nothing in it, too, it's going to be pure placebo. But like, yeah, it's alpha water, cause you ain't no beta bitch is going to be the tagline.
Speaker 2:You can hop on if you want, we'll send you some and you can.
Speaker 1:you can sell it, you can hawk it. Oh well, it will make a bunch of money off, it'll be fine.
Speaker 3:I'm so sick of being a beta bitch, so exactly, and it'd be hexagonal water.
Speaker 1:That is structured water. It's better. That's better for hydrating or something yeah, integrates into your cells better yeah, yes, uh, yeah, with patented cell integration, we'll put that right on it.
Speaker 2:Hold on, let me let me write that down for the uh cell integration.
Speaker 1:I want to throw I want to throw that on there. I want to throw that on there because that's good, I like that, yeah, coming back around to the whole plant-based proteins, because I feel like I got beans and tofu.
Speaker 3:I want to throw that on there. I want to throw that on there because that's good. I like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, coming back around to the whole plant-based proteins, because I feel like I got beans and tofu and then we were just gone. Yeah, I know we kind of did just go off. Let's finish it up with that. Let's finish up with it, because I do get asked about that a lot.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. So beans and tofu are great. You know, I think, uh, I really enjoy some of the. The meat alternatives. Now, I mean a lot of meat alternatives get a really bad rap and again, it's just how are they fitting into your diet with the rest of your diet looking like with some of those things? How do you feel eating them? I think that's a big part of it, but I personally really enjoy, like seitan soy curls, those kinds of things. They're very versatile, they're very easy to use, they're easy to season however you want to. I like those. But also, I think I one of my biggest like soapbox issues that I want to hop on that I always hop on is that whole grains, for the most part brown rice accepted, actually contain a good amount of protein, and a lot of people do not count that, you know, um, so like they think a bowl of pasta is just carbs. Uh, and it's not just carbs.
Speaker 1:It's like you're getting protein from a lot of different things I just finished a sandwich that's whole grain bread and each slice had six grams of protein, so that's 12 right there, and it was peanut butter and jelly. So I you'd use more than two to use this fucking two tablespoons of peanut butter, get the fuck out of here and so like that's, you know another, like 10 grams at least or so, so I got over 20 grams of protein. Yeah, it's a lot of calories, but I need a lot of calories, so it's fine still getting over 20 grams of protein, bread and peanuts it's this food rule thing, where people feel like something can be only be a protein source if the predominant macronutrient is just protein bro, peanut butter, can I fucking say.
Speaker 1:I'm so tired of videos. People like peanut butter is not protein, people without protein like holy shit dude. Yes, we know it's not fucking jam-packed with protein, but like it has protein, it has six grams per serving. You use a couple servings. Yeah, it's a lot of calories, but, like again, it still counts.
Speaker 3:Oh, I don't like, I hate that yeah, well, I mean, oatmeal can be that too, like pasta can be that too. Quinoa, ferret, like any grains can be, can can help. Um, so I think I don't know my my perception of it is when it comes to getting enough protein. This, this is mostly just for your average person, not somebody who's like trying to actively build muscle bulk, because that's going to be a little bit different. Um, for most people, I feel like the forest gets lost in the trees a little bit, because people are focusing so much on protein and I think that if they just focused on making sure they're eating enough to feel satisfied and they're making sure that they're including things like beans or tofu now and again, they're probably going to do okay protein wise ultimately if they were to track. But I think people get so focused on the protein and then they under eat calories still because they're just like, okay, it's just beans and tofu and that's, and vegetables.
Speaker 2:You don't need 300 grams of protein a day if you're not jacked up on steroids going for the Olympia.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, and it's like also, if you are trying to build muscle, you have to eat a lot more calories too. So, like cause you, it's really hard to build muscle in a calorie deficit. Um, so I don't know. A lot of protein comes along for the ride with a lot of things and people don't realize, not to say that people shouldn't be concerned about protein, but I do, cause I, you know, I think everybody should have some thought to it.
Speaker 3:But I think that a lot of people massively underestimate what that, what, how much protein that they're they're actually eating. And I think that if you are eating in a way that that feels sustainable and you're not super hungry all the time and you know you're getting enough and you know you're probably okay, if one of those things is out of whack, then maybe we put a thought to it. If you're probably okay, if one of those things is out of whack, then maybe we put a thought to it. If you're feeling low energy and you're you know you're hungry all the time, then okay, let's, let's be thoughtful. But in most of the cases, uh, it's more of a quantity issue, because I think people are so honed in on protein all the time that I think that they're probably fiber gets lost, five percent of americans not eating enough fiber.
Speaker 1:And they're like I'll just take a powder and like, yeah, cillian musk is fine, but how about you eat a fucking serving of beans? Okay, how much it does. Some lentils, how about? How about a vegetable?
Speaker 3:damn it yeah, I don't know. Just make sure that like 75 of what you're eating. If you're trying to do more plant-based eating, just make sure it's not like all vegetables, because you're probably not gonna feel super great if you're doing that like vegetables are important half your plate isn't that what's kind of like?
Speaker 1:what's what kind of drives me crazy is when we look at like foods like healthy, unhealthy. Candy bar uh unhealthy. Uh, broccoli, healthy, okay, but if you're eating like just nothing but vegetables, that shit's not healthy. That's that. That you're not gonna do well on that. So how, like I just don the black and white dichotomous like healthy unhealthy kind of drives me nuts and like I totally get it. Americans are eating like 70% of their calorie from ultra processed foods, so for most people, introducing broccoli would be a healthy choice totally. But, like when you're looking at it in the individual, it kind of drives me a little crazy just to have this kind of black and white.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's really annoying during videos when people are like this one food is super blah, blah, blah, super food. You need a lot of this in your diet. It's like we don't eat like that. We eat a variety of foods.
Speaker 1:Variety's better. Yeah, like what's the best. Like, yeah, having multiple. Like I don't know, it's just frustrating. Like what's the best. Like, yeah, having multiple. Like I don't know, it's just frustrating. Like, especially for me, when I got into my like really serious about health, I was looking up like the best food, like what are the healthiest foods, the most nutrient dense foods, and then I was like trying to eat mostly, like you know, I pick one, I'm gonna eat a lot of that. It's like that's not as nutrient dense but it has other things in it and it balances it out.
Speaker 3:So it's just eating a variety of foods. Whenever I get that question of is this healthy, is that healthy, is this healthy, is that? My question is always compared to what you know, because because, like you know, compared to what like, if you, if you take potato chips, for example, a lot of people would probably agree that that's ultimately not the most quote unquote. Healthy food, but if what you were doing before is not eating, you know, yeah, Well, I mean, there's a lot of patients on chemo. You know their food drive is gone.
Speaker 1:Like you know, when you're going through chemotherapy, you're not hungry.
Speaker 1:And so that's why I remember that whole, like Paul Saldino when he was going talking about, like the hospital food and like everyone pissed, got pissed off, understanding because, yeah, we're like, okay, when you are like on chemotherapy and you don't feel like eating anything, if you can get any food in, no matter what ultra processed food it is, that's going to be healthier than not having any food, because you know you need more calories. When you're growing, when I don't know you're pregnant and growing other things when you're, when you're when you're sick, you need more calories to to support those things.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, and there's a fair amount of people that have been asking about you go ahead sorry, oh, I was just saying I.
Speaker 3:Well, one of my many jobs is I worked in a level one trauma center for a while, inpatient as a dietitian and uh, like, there's a lot of people who have no appetite and they have horrible wounds or they've had surgery and they have really high calorie needs and they just can't eat, for whatever reason. And honestly, it was like all right, what would you like? Would you like a massive slice of cake? I will bring you a massive slice of cake. Would you like a to take an insurer and you want me to put ice cream in that? Would that sound good to you? And honestly, like, doing those things took people from having really bad wounds that were not healing to healing and being able to leave the hospital. And cake and ice cream did that? Like you know it's all energy people.
Speaker 1:It's all you need. Energy you need that, yeah.
Speaker 3:So again, the question is compared to what?
Speaker 2:yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of people on the internet that are, of course, trying to lose weight, but there's a fair amount of people that are trying to put on weight and they're seeing these videos that chips are unhealthy, ice creams unhealthy, all this stuff, and sometimes it's like, okay, maybe you just need to have some chips in that ice cream. You're doing everything else right, you're just not getting enough calories yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I think people just forget that food is energy and you need it, like it just, it just becomes like a like, a transactional thing with weight is like how I think a lot of people view food, not as like what it gives you and the fact fact that you need energy. The goal shouldn't be to minimize energy as much as possible.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway, anything else you want to touch on before we finish up here, anything we didn't, anything we didn't bring up.
Speaker 3:Me or Rob.
Speaker 1:To you, I guess I guess both. Well, no, not Rob, no, just you, not me Not me.
Speaker 2:No, rob doesn't care, not in this one, not Rob.
Speaker 1:No, just you Not me, not me, not Rob, not in this one. No.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know, I think that's. I think it's a good conversation. I feel like I yeah, no, I think that's good.
Speaker 1:Set the bar low. Celebrate your small successes. Don't beat yourself up. Don't be afraid to be dumb, it's totally.
Speaker 2:don't be afraid to get phone calls when you're getting, when you're on a podcast shut up.
Speaker 1:What I got my my ringtone is is beans, beans. You know, like beans, beans, the, the magic fruit or the musical for all that stuff, yeah oh man, I fucking love beans, man I'm so. They're so cheap too. Anyway, I'm not gonna get off on a beans tangent.
Speaker 2:The takeaway of this podcast is eat more beans.
Speaker 1:Eat more fucking beans, man.
Speaker 3:Eat more beans. Eat more beans. Indeed, Beans are great.
Speaker 1:I just made for a video black bean brownies. Oh man, I think you'll get a kick out of it. I think you both will get a kick out of it, because there's this guy. It's fucking hilarious're like oh you know, little sipper, fuck that, that woman. God damn, I'm glad she blocked me. I don't see any more of her videos. It's awesome. But like she's so she did this video, or like she's like you probably already have these things in your house to make these brownies.
Speaker 1:First put figs, uh hemp seeds and like extra virgin olive oil in a cup. And there's a guy who stitched it. He's like of course I have figs and hemp seeds. They're right next to my cauliflower taints and frog toenails. Like who the fuck has these things? And I'm just like dying laughing. It's so funny. He's like I'm sitting, you're hits, you're fucking eating brownies made by, by uh, fairies and I'm sitting over here eating little debbies that are taking years off my life. Very funny anyway. So I'm like okay, let me show you. Here's a can of brownie mix and you take a can of black beans and you blend it up and you put it into the brownie mix. There you go black bean brownies. You don't taste it. It adds fiber, it adds fucking micronutrients and shit like that is it is as healthy? Is it as quote-unquote healthy as fucking figs and hemp seeds? Maybe not blending.
Speaker 2:It breaks it up and it doesn't work. You're destroying everything with the blending I know the blend.
Speaker 1:I do love the fucking. Whether you blend stuff, it goes away forever. Like where does it go? Like what does it just? Does it just disappear into the ethos, like what the fuck you think happens? Oh god, but yeah, so like add, yeah, you go add beans into like a fucking brownie mix. There you go, there's your beans.
Speaker 2:You don't even taste them, eat more beans yeah, I'm gonna look forward to that, because I'm gonna.
Speaker 3:That sounds like a good recipe it's a lot of black bean brownies. They're great. They're like fudgier, which I personally like.
Speaker 1:They're awesome good like yeah, man, or you blend white beans into sauces. That that's really good too. I like blending, like white beans into sauces.
Speaker 3:You could do really good like blondies with chickpeas. That's like one of my favorites.
Speaker 1:I made some chickpea like, like the like cookies. It was like with tahini and like chickpeas and like stuff like that. I don't know if I made blondies, but that's. I could definitely see that.
Speaker 3:Or cookie dough, chickpea cookie dough. I've seen that. I've done a few of those. I I make that sometimes. I'll make like little cookie dough bites that I'll keep in the fridge, uh, which is great, because, like you know, I feel like a lot of times if I want a snack, I want something sweet. That's where my brain likes to go. So if I can get some extra nutrition in that and it makes me feel more satisfied, win yeah you ever done any chickpeas in the uh the ninja creamy?
Speaker 1:no, I've definitely never put beans. I promise you that when, like you just throw the whole, like you put anything else in there or we just do a chicken, I have no idea.
Speaker 2:You're the one that's had the ninja creamy for I have never put.
Speaker 1:I I put grapes in there. That shit's banging. Like you just put frozen grapes in the ninja creamy and you add a little lime juice and honey, oh, it's like it turns into an awesome sorbet. Yeah, frozen grapes, honey, lime juice, that's it, and the Ninja creamy hole. Like you don't have to blend them up, just throw a whole ones in there, top it up. I've had that a few times. It's great. That's one of my favorites grapes in the in the freezer right now and I'm fucking oh man with the amount of videos I've also got tagging grapes. So much sugar, shut the hell up. Oh, no, fruit has sugar. Oh, the fruit has sugar in it and sugar turns to fat. What?
Speaker 3:the. The contradiction that cracks me up is that don't have grapes because it's too much sugar, but drink red wine because it's healthy oh the juxtaposition cracks me up a little bit yeah wine is healthy, yeah I feel like with that slowly dying off a little bit yeah, like it's still around getting there
Speaker 2:but it's still around for sure especially when a grifter has a promo code for wine.
Speaker 1:Fucking yeah, don't eat seed oils. But here's your fucking known toxic substance, class one carcinogen.
Speaker 2:No problem, it's fucking approved and if you mix it with my electrolytes, it won't dehydrate you oh, bro, I haven't done it yet, but I still gotta do this video.
Speaker 1:There's fucking with with bobby and he's just like. He's like oh, if you see the electrolytes at costco they're not very good, check out these ones. And he pulls his own electrolytes from a storage thing next to the liquid IVs and I'm like that's so great. Pulling it out like, pretending like they sell it, like oh you just come over here. Like he doesn't say they sell it.
Speaker 1:He's not, you're not lying that way, you're just like pulling it out from the from, from you know the next to the other stuff, like that's so great, I love that. I I think I've talked about it before I love the way the length scripters will go.
Speaker 3:I, I just enjoy it, yeah yeah, have you ever come across dr berg? He's like across dr berg he does this whole thing, gosh I. It's a video I've been like thinking about doing for a long time, but his opinions on water are wild, oh, yeah, wait, I don't know what to do oh gosh, so many. So first he's just like, oh, you should do water fasting. And then he's like, oh, we're all drinking too much water. And if you, if?
Speaker 1:you have a water bottle with you.
Speaker 3:All the time you're gonna go into a coma because like, that's totally how that works um, but then he's just like, yeah, okay, so you should be drinking, uh, mineral water because you need the minerals. And then he's like, no, no, you should be drinking distilled water, because you don't want all the minerals, but we want some minerals. So what you got to do is you have to get the distilled water and then put my electrolyte.
Speaker 1:Why people are so confused because there's all these second rules, holy shit.
Speaker 3:And then he does this whole thing with like kidney disease, which is just wild, where he's just like see, you don't want, like you don't want to drink the distilled water because you don't want too much calcium, because having too much calcium causes kidney stones, which is why you want to put in just the right electrolytes in so you don't get too much calcium. And then again in the mineral water video he's like you do want it because it has calcium and if you get more calcium, it'll help prevent kidney stones.
Speaker 1:And I'm just so good I thought my favorite, no, no, no, I did one, it was. I loved like where. He's just like if this is what would happen if you consume turmeric every day. Those are my favorite because he's like it'll protect you from pollution. If you don't have enough inflammation, it will create inflammation. If you have too much inflammation, it will reduce inflammation. And it's just the wildest fucking takes like it's so out there. And of course, he sells turmeric for like 28 a bottle, like I'm like this stuff is so cheap. You can buy like pounds of it for like eight bucks. And he's selling little capsules of it for like close to 30 dollars, like that's. And people are telling me that you know. Like oh, he's just trying to make people healthy. I'm like he's trying to fucking make his walls fat as shit as possible. That's what he's trying to do, like in chiropractor berg I'm a doctor, yeah it's just wild stuff.
Speaker 3:And then he was like okay, dry fasting, you gotta dry fast, like don't, don't don't eat or drink anything there's nothing for 36 hours.
Speaker 1:You will feel amazing oh, he had one video where he was just like oh, the american heart association isn't concerned with cholesterol anymore, said don't worry about cholesterol and what the. And he got confused between dietary cholesterol and blood cholesterol. I'm like how do you even fucking do that? That's like a massive difference. And yeah it was, yeah, it was. I was like I can't, I can't even believe, like even his level of dumb, how do you even get? How do you even get there? Oh, dr burke, great one, not as good as gary brekka.
Speaker 2:Gary brekka is my favorite, but dr burke's liam had a little bit of a crush on gary brekka I I have a a good amount of admiration for his ability to grift.
Speaker 1:It is very, it's just so good he's so. He's a good. You know, like you know was a con man Comes from confidence, right, he's got the confidence. He's got that he really does. He really does On stage. He's one of the best people on stage I've ever seen. I've truly go watch some Seriously Now. If you haven't watched him, I'll send some to you where he's just on.
Speaker 3:I don't think. I don't think I have I tend to.
Speaker 1:He's like I'm going to teach you more in five minutes about this disease than every doctor's ever talked to you in your entire life. And then boom, boom, boom, he's got a whiteboard.
Speaker 3:People love whiteboards. I know who you're talking about.
Speaker 2:Yes, You'll probably know as soon as you see it.
Speaker 1:It's so good. He's got all the pieces. He's got all the pieces down Like a plus. A plus, like that's the only person I would give like a plus on grifting. There's not a single thing where I'm like no, he should do this. Instead of that, he's doing every grifting thing Right, so it's so good.
Speaker 3:The ice should be like a two yeah he's.
Speaker 1:He sells a portable ice tub and he says uh, getting in cold water will burn more calories than any, will strip fat off your body faster than anything else. I'm like that's, it's so good, I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2:I mean it's terrible, but like I love it well, it's, it's okay, because once you guys take over canada, you'll have all the frozen water you need.
Speaker 1:Oh my, god, are we going to become collectively nicer as a whole country once we take over canada? Will the niceness just go up a notch?
Speaker 3:I doubt it. I feel like you guys are just going to get more angry because you're going to experience our health care system you might lose you're going to lose health care.
Speaker 1:That's going to fucking suck, rob.
Speaker 2:I'll no longer be able to break a limb and just go to the hospital.
Speaker 1:You can, you just will get charged $80,000.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, anyway. Well, thanks for coming on. Make sure you tell people where to find you when they want to.
Speaker 2:And make sure that you were on episode 69.
Speaker 1:Holy shit, we forgot it was episode 69 this whole time and I didn't even start it damn it. No, all right, can we start? All right, put this at the beginning, rob. Hey, everybody, welcome to episode 69 that I totally remembered damn it.
Speaker 3:I feel so bad.
Speaker 1:I'm done, I'm leaving right now I'm copying off the podcast. I'm too. I'm so bad that I forgot. Fuck, we've been doing this whole time, Natalie, We've been doing 69 minus 2, 69 minus 1. And then we're like this is going to be our BC, like our zero.
Speaker 3:I've been throwing in puns this whole time Fuck.
Speaker 1:We've got to start this whole podcast over Rerecord.
Speaker 3:From the top, from the top, from the top. But yeah, if people want to find me, I am on TikTok. I am on TikTok for however long TikTok is, I don't know, it's a weird place. I'm on YouTube and I just started doing Instagram, begrudgingly the whole TikTok thing, so it's great it's there. If anyone wants to join me, it'll be a good time. I also have a newsletter If people are wanting more resources around neurodivergence and binge eating specifically.
Speaker 1:I have a monthly newsletter where I send out stuff that are like tools, tips, tricks, those kinds of exclusive things there's a link in bio on all of my socials for that, so that's probably the easiest place to find it.
Speaker 2:I think you told us the platforms, but I don't think you told us the username.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, I'm so good at that. It's NatalieFoxRD. For all of those, I think with Instagram it's Natalie Fox RD.
Speaker 1:I feel it with. I got like fucking Underscores and shit on Instagram. I don't give a shit, I just throw it all up and it worked. Listen, I just had a million Followers on Instagram. Okay, I don't know how that shit worked. No idea how it worked, but it did.
Speaker 2:You're a big deal now.
Speaker 1:Apparently, hi, oakley, how you you doing? We're just finishing up?
Speaker 2:When are we going to have Liam Conn?
Speaker 1:I have a whole Comic-Con thing with just me. That sounds pretty cool. Do people dress up like me? Do they all have to wear a soul patch? I like the sound of this.
Speaker 2:That's amazing. This is happening. Liam Conn Soul patch is mandatory.
Speaker 1:Alright, everybody say bye, Oakley says bye. Do you have anything to tell people, Oakley, before we go? Eh yeah no-transcript.
