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Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
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Shedding Pounds and Myths: David Roden on Weight Loss & Diet Sodas
What's the secret behind maintaining a 200-pound weight loss for over a decade? Join us as David Roden shares his incredible journey, filled with humor and hard truths about obesity transformation. We explore how his supportive yet indulgent childhood environment shaped his food relationships, offering a refreshing perspective on the delicate balance of parenting and encouraging healthy habits in children. David's story is an eye-opener, emphasizing the importance of mentality, sustainable habits, and the role of protein in weight management, while debunking the quick-fix allure of yo-yo dieting.
We also engage in the great taste debate of Diet Coke versus Coke Zero, analyzing the distinct flavor profiles and the impact of artificial sweeteners like aspartame and sucralose. Our discussion extends to diet and zero-sugar sodas, where we unveil the complexities of flavor preferences and the often misunderstood world of natural sweeteners such as stevia and monk fruit. From Diet Mountain Dew to Zevia, no soda is left unturned as we test taste buds and bust myths about sweeteners.
Switching gears, we explore the fascinating and sometimes bizarre world of longevity and unconventional health practices. From cryotherapy to Brian Johnson's extreme measures for extending life, we uncover the lengths people go for a chance at a longer life. Meanwhile, the "Anti-Diet Diet Club" documentary takes the spotlight, critiquing sensational claims in the nutrition world and emphasizing sustainable health practices. Wrapping up with heartwarming tales of parenting a one-year-old, we navigate the unpredictable adventures of fatherhood with humor and honesty, reflecting the essence of adaptability in both health and life.
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Speaker 2:We are recording.
Speaker 1:Okay, hey everybody, we're talking about Pepsi v Coke, so I'm assuming you're David, you're on the Coke side, right? Team Diet Coke? Yeah, see, I've never. The Diet Coke has a very how you say distinct taste. It does.
Speaker 1:Right, like it has and I think, just like, you kind of get used to that and then you enjoy it and then you stick with it. But for most people I think Coke Zero has more of a regular sugar taste but like. So I can totally understand why people like. Listen, I like licorice, but I understand most people are going to like licorice, right, because it's a very distinct taste. I think Diet Coke, like aspartame, by itself has a very distinct taste that you either like or don't like by itself as a very distinct taste that you either like or don't like.
Speaker 3:I I love the fact that, like you have diet, you have diets and you have zero sugars, yes, and the zero, and they're just so different. And I go back and forth some things. I like diet tasting, ones of the of the like, the thing like diet coke versus coke zero.
Speaker 1:What's another diet like diet?
Speaker 3:mountain dew no diet mountain dew is garbage compared to Zero Sugar Mountain Dew. Like that's not even a question, like that's always the funny part to me, like that's not even People say like Diet Dew is better than regular Dew, like I don't Blasphemy, I don't I've never even seen a Diet Dew Diet. Yeah, the diet do we've got. We've got mountain dew zero up here. I've never seen a diet, do see that, yeah, diet.
Speaker 1:Do just taste like pee water. All right, what about dr pepper? Are you diet dr pepper?
Speaker 3:a lot of people are diet dr pepper I like zero sugar dr pepper over diet, so c zero what?
Speaker 1:okay, what other fucking diets do you like, are you?
Speaker 3:no, I'm serious, I'm serious, it, I, it's. It's literally like diet coke is like the main diet, okay, of the zero sugars of the diet world, yeah, and then mostly everything else it's zero sugars zero, that's what I'm saying, like.
Speaker 1:Okay. So for anybody listening, uh, zeros just have aspartame and acesulfame potassium, which is just another artificial sweetener, and generally when you blend them together, so there's sucralose, there's saccharin, there's all these different artificial sweeteners, and when you blend together you can generally mimic a sugar taste a little bit more than if you do all one. Like the first. You know, like I was at Kosai, I was peeing out a urinal that's how all conversations start and it was like they have like the little facts up on it and it was like the first artificial sweetener was like invented in like 1840, something Like I think it was like saccharin.
Speaker 1:I remember the story of like this guy he was working on, like you know, back then. It was just like guys and they're like you know, attic and they work with shit and they combine like chemicals. You know that's basically all science was. And so he like he, he did, he was doing some stuff and he went down to eat and he didn't wash his hands and he noticed his hands were sweet as he was eating bread. He's like oh, this is weird. And so he, he accidentally had created like saccharin. I think it's like the first one. I'd have to double check on that. But like, yeah, it's just, you know, we've had artificial sweeteners for a while, which always kind of makes me laugh because people like well, they haven't been studied long enough. I'm like bro, we got fucking decades, we've got like a hundred plus years on like these, on at least some of these artificial sweeteners, and we're still going okay bro, it's that always what gets me, because, like I always say this, when, when, like monk, fruit comes up like monk fruit natural natural ones.
Speaker 3:The natural one yes, and I said that on a tiktok live a few months ago. I'm like, guys, just so we're clear, because I'm gonna ask about monk fruit and I'm like, just so we're clear, guys, we have more safety data on aspartame, on all these other ones, than then monk fruit, stevia it's probably fine, it's probably fine, no one's saying it's not, but we actually have more data on the safety of of aspartame.
Speaker 1:Aspartame is made in a lab.
Speaker 2:It's artificial I love that because people are always like oh, stevia is so natural. Have you seen the processing of stevia? Like the amount of processing stevia has to go through. It is essentially made in a lab.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I mean, I remember Home Depot had a stevia plant and I was like, oh, that's cool, and I picked a leaf and I chewed on. I thought I was going to die. That shit tasted horrible Like I couldn't, I just spit that out. That was gross. So yeah, the stevia plant Don, I couldn't, I just spit that out. That was gross. So yeah, the stevia plant Don't. Don't get a plant and sweeten your food that way.
Speaker 2:Let me tell you that, no, no, you need a. You need a huge amount of equipment to process that shit.
Speaker 1:That's why I like. I like sucralose. Sucralose is Splenda. Splenda is like the brand name, and because it comes from sugar, they take sugar, they make it sweeter and your body can't really process sucralose, so you just like pee it out. And it's always weird to me that people like what does it build up in the body? Do you have? Do you piss, do you poop during the day? That is your body being like. Now we don't need this anymore, it's gone, it's fine. So I mean, yeah, this whole episode is pretty much gonna be on diet sodas, but I guess, dave, you should probably I'll be.
Speaker 3:I'll honest. It's funny how this works, because diet soda is kind of like my thing.
Speaker 1:Oh, I know.
Speaker 3:It's so funny how, like this conversation, I didn't I, I did not start this, but of course it has to go here. I mean, I knew I knew we were going to get there.
Speaker 1:But for episode 69 plus two David we have. This is how. So if you do, david, we were our zero BC. Or David we have David. This is how so. If you, yeah, david, we're R0BC or like our date is 69.
Speaker 2:So we go 69 plus or minus Base 69, exactly.
Speaker 1:So we're 69 plus 2. Why don't you introduce yourself for people? Let people know what your deal is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so for those guys that don't know, my name is David Roden, I'm 33, and this year I'm celebrating down. I've been down 200 pounds for 10 years. This is past year 10 now and it's been a heck of a journey. By the time I was 18 years old, I weighed over 400 pounds. So, like the obesity transformation space, weight loss is very much my baby. It's not the only thing I do, uh, but it's definitely that my, my heart like half diet soda.
Speaker 1:It's half.
Speaker 3:Like my life is half diet soda and half talking about calories. Um, that's basically what it comes down to. And uh, and somehow diet soda made me 400 pounds. Or my favorite is, someone told me that it's gmo, like food, and and I'm like yeah, you're right, the non-organic apples. That's what got me to 400 pounds. It was definitely the inorganic apples, the GMOs got me.
Speaker 1:I think it's just easier to pick a small thing, because if you talk about obesity as a disease, then you have to bring up all these like statistics and boring shit, like you know, talk about access to fucking quality food and all this stupid bullshit medical conditions no, no, no we just talk like fucking gmo.
Speaker 2:It's, it's dot, it's it's artificial sweeteners and and food dies gmo is such a big word, we had to shrink it down to three letters. That's how scary it is done, done, done.
Speaker 3:And I just my favorite is when you say gmo, like it's, like, yeah, it's, it's, it's the non-organic apples, that's, that's what that's. So why don't you?
Speaker 1:tell like, because you've told some stories, I want you to tell people like how you you got to that weight oh, I'm assuming it wasn't dirty we were, I kind of wanted to give you you know, give people a little bit of like what you know, what you would do on kind of a difficult day to get there, because I think that always kind of interests people as well let's.
Speaker 3:let's be honest, like obviously it's not rocket science. Guys. If you are considered liverweight, you are eating too many calories. Now why? We can go into all the nuances, your relationship with food, your access to certain foods. We can go into all the nuances, your relationship with food, your access to certain foods. We can go into all you suck at cooking. We can go into all this stuff, but at the end of the day, you eat too many calories and you sit too much. But how did I get there? Funny enough, my dad's a heart doctor, he's an interventional cardiologist and I grew up in an incredible household. My mother was an incredible soul, supportive.
Speaker 3:Her biggest problem was she always said yes and so you got a dad who works 80 to 90 hours a week in the hospital, and you got a mom who always says yes. So what does every kid want? Food and video games.
Speaker 1:That's what I want. I mean, yeah, I was never told no.
Speaker 3:Food and video games baby. And so I had a really big house and we had a walk in pantry and I always had friends over, and so my mom would just go to Costco and pack it full of stuff, and so we always had Costco size bags of Reese's peanut butter cups and and everything you could think of. And I'm not kidding, in a night I'd be playing like call of duty and I'd rip through a 24 count of reese's peanut butter cups. Um, I would have I don't know a family, a family bag of doritos and then probably wash it down with, uh, half a sleeve of mountain dew.
Speaker 1:I mean it's I mean so like two reese reese's cups is like 190 calories. So if you're eating like, you're eating just that, you know like 2,000, 3,000 calories of just those, just sweets, and then no, and it's not rocket science.
Speaker 3:And then you get behind the eight ball and I was 300 pounds by the time I was like 13, 14. I weighed over 400 pounds by the time I was 18. And then that's where the bad relationship with food comes about, and then your poor relationship with yourself, and now you're hiding food and you're playing on all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:Now, did your dad ever say anything to you as like a heart surgeon? Was he always like hey, david.
Speaker 2:Kind of a stop eating those. Okay, I'm off to work it was.
Speaker 3:It was one of these things where, um, the context of dad kind of comes into play, where his, my dad, my dad's incredible and but one of the things that his shortcoming was his dad died when he was 12 and so he never had that figure. Um, that like kind of was like the stone fat like this, not cool, and so like he didn't. So his way of of loving me was just supporting me. He had me go to a dietician, he had me go to an endocrinologist. Um, he ideally was trying to eat have me eat more fruits and vegetables, not so much pizza, but at the same time, he also wasn't like a very dogmatic, like no, you're not doing that. Yeah. Like he was like hey, maybe we should do this. Um, and I mean, I respect it, he didn't want to.
Speaker 1:He didn't want to uh I mean you love your children, like I love my daughter's a year old, and I want it. She's like, oh, I want to be. You know, like I, that balance is kind of tough.
Speaker 2:I have to be like okay, you've had enough doritos, no more doritos, so you can have other things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, she flips out like because I will give her like candy and stuff and then she'll be more. I'm like no, no, we're done with that. And she, she loses her shit, but it's like for 30 seconds because she's only one year old and then she'll forget about it. So like, all right, keep going, do your thing, find your poly pockets I know you like those.
Speaker 3:The biggest fight that my dad would always have was when we get like we get pizza, and he'd be like all right, pizza or cheese bread, you're not getting both and I'm like what do you mean? I'm like you're one of the other pizza or cheese bread and I'm like no, we're getting both.
Speaker 1:How am I gonna wash? I need to. I got the mound. Do I need to wash things down with this and then?
Speaker 3:he'd be like guys, cheesy bread, you dip it in pizza sauce, you're just eating extra pizza, like it's pizza with pizza. Why, what are you doing? And like that was half his battle was like it just didn't make sense, can we?
Speaker 1:talk about the domino's bread bowl. How many I've eaten so many of those. Do you remember the domino's bread? Does anybody remember? I'm sure some people listening are like oh, I fucking remember the domino's bread. I don't know because I just love.
Speaker 1:So you had the bread, you had the bread sticks, you have pizza which is largely bread so you would have this giant bread bowl and they would have pasta in it and it was just filled with like cheese and oil and everything. This thing had to be like pushing 2 000 calories just like in one meal. I, I would fucking, oh, I would hammer, and it was so fucking salty your mouth it would just dry out your mouth because they put so much salt in it.
Speaker 3:And I, I still loved it and I, the cookie, the cookie, uh the cookie brownie, uh, all the cookie things they made, uh, those are so freaking good like, but then, but going full circle. This is where I always say this is where the genetic side of this comes into play. I can just eat more than everybody else. Period like that, like my, my hunger cues when I feel full, when I feel hungry, like I give me, give me an 18 ounce t-bone steak, two baked potatoes, a large, um, like salad. I can eat that whole meal and give me an hour.
Speaker 1:I'll do it again like it's nothing and I think that's yeah, that's the kind of dynamic I think that we there's a lot of talk like metabolism, which you know sure plays a factor right, but like a much, I would say, a larger factor would just be that you're like hunger hormones cues, like you know, if you feel just generally a lot hungrier, you're just going to eat more calories. That's kind of generally how that works.
Speaker 1:I was always super skinny because I'd eat these things but like I couldn't, you know, go all in, basically like some people you know definitely could. But I'm, I'm kind of curious then. So, okay, so you have, you have all these issues, you gained all this weight and then you decided at some point, I'm assuming, like okay, I, I, I maybe got a little too far. Did anything happen to spark that?
Speaker 3:Or was it just like you kind of just woke up and you're like I'm done? So there's, there's a sequence. Um, I was a junior in college because I I had tried to lose weight multiple times. You know how that kind of works gain 20, lose 20. Or drop 20, gain 20, uh, all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3:My, when I was a freshman in college, I had a roommate that said I couldn't work out for 30 days straight. And he's like and we made a bet and I did, and I I made it like 28 and I just couldn't. I didn't do the last three days and it was a whole thing. But the funny part was classic I put most of my effort into working out and nothing in nutrition back then. Exactly, that's often. That's often. Well, they think they can outwork a bad diet and outwork the transformation. It's just not how it works. But I went through phases and outwork the transformation. It's just not how it works. But I went through phases.
Speaker 3:And then the big shift happened when I was a junior in college and I decided med school wasn't for me. I was actually even at 400 pounds, wanted to be a doctor like my dad, and I decided med school wasn't for me. I was in this kind of transformative period in my life and I started hanging out with a new group of friends and part of the friend group was into personal growth and development. And so I read a book called the Compound Effect by Darren Hardy and that book profoundly made me change my perspective on weight loss. And it's the same thing in life.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's a very simple concept, which is the quality of your life is not in the big decisions. Do you go keto, paleo, carnivore, do you do CrossFit or this fitness routine? Do you go to college? Do you not go to college? It comes down to these fundamental daily habits. Do you treat food with respect? Do you nourish your body? Do you daily habits? Do you treat food with respect? Do you nourish your body? Do you do if like? How do you do on a day-to-day basis? Number one and number two it changes the perspective of when you get to the size of three, four, five hundred pounds. You see this, this 200 pound weight loss is so astronomically impossible.
Speaker 1:You don't believe it's a big number you just don't think it's possible.
Speaker 3:So, like you may, oh, I'm going to lose. Like I'm going to do it. And you lose 20 and I go, I got 180 more. So what? And you and you lose perspective on it.
Speaker 3:And that book made me shift from hey, do you know, if you just lose one to two pounds a week for 50 to a hundred weeks, you lose a hundred to 200 pounds. Shit, okay, I can wrap my head around that. And so when I was a junior in college, I decided to stop worrying about losing 200. And I was 408 at the time and I said next Sunday I'm a 406. Hit it Next Sunday 404. Hit it Next Sunday 402. And that massive shift from stop trying to lose weight as fast as possible, stop worrying about losing 100, 200, just focus on one to two pounds a week and celebrating progress was the start that made the shift. I mean there's still a lot more you can unpack, but like that fundamental shift. So many people are trapped by the idea of losing 100 plus pounds that they can't wrap their head around it, so they just don't really try.
Speaker 1:And that's true. Like you said, that's true with everything. You kind of look like I'm going to do med school, like I'm looking at like eight years or whatever it is. You're like all this work? There's no way I do that. I'm honestly like just talk about just small things. I'm talking about like cleaning my house. I look at my house. It's a fucking wreck. But basically always and I'm like fuck it, I can't. I'm not even doing this.
Speaker 1:but if I go like okay, I'm gonna clean the microwave I'm gonna start just with like one device I'm gonna go and then I'm like, okay, now I can do this room and that, like just kind of starting somewhere helps me out a lot now, like it can ping pong a little bit, and then I end up cleaning my car out when I haven't done shit in my house. But, like you know, at least you're still going like you might. You might veer off course, but you're still going right, at least you're still moving. Progress, progress or perfection, people. Exactly, we talked about how, like just the mentality around weight loss is really just as important as actually, like what you're doing, because, as you said, it's the daily habits and sticking to it. And you know, like the ketos and all those sort of things are super dope for losing weight quickly, but staying on that for the rest of your life, most people, most people aren't going to do that you know what's the point?
Speaker 3:like I kind of say this all the time if you're gonna, like, do some restrictive diet, I don't care, but if you can't maintain it, what's the point?
Speaker 1:yeah, like, like, honestly, it actually puts you in a worse position, like it's like you get that hint of what it's like to to be down the weight and then you lose it and you're like now you feel even worse and when the weight starts to come back up because it will, because you, you know, in keto you lost a lot of water, weight and whatnot and level out, then you just get so fucking discouraged, man, like that's, and then it's so easy just to say fuck it. So, like I'm not anti-keto, I'm not like, I'm not even anti like low carb, like I love carbs, I'll always eat carbs. But if there's a lot of people that that stick to it for their life, they just like low carb and I think that's super dope respect I and that that's the dogma of like the whole nutrition diet world is like.
Speaker 3:A lot of times I push back personally on diet culture, but it's funny to me because it's like I'm not here to say you can't do intermittent fasting or low carb, or else you just got to know why it works and why it doesn't. So you're not. Breakfast is not making you fat. People. If you want to skip breakfast for the sake of controlling calories, fine, that's totally cool. Yeah, but like thinking breakfast is somehow, oh my gosh, just making me no it's not Eating after 7 pm is what makes you fat.
Speaker 1:The breakfast makes you fat. It's all these little things.
Speaker 3:And it usually comes down to calories. Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 1:So I'm kind of curious then. So when you started losing weight, you said you have like a pretty you know strong appetite, right? So like you know, I get this asked a lot. I just recorded a video on it. I actually haven't fucking edited it yet. I got a lot of shit to do. I got to clean my house too, Anyway. So what were you?
Speaker 3:like. I was just man, what you got back there. I was about to say you coat hanger.
Speaker 1:Okay, for those listening, this is uh, uh what. You know how you hang a curtain? There's a rod for that. It's called a curtain rod. Now, I am not putting a curtain rod up for a curtain rod.
Speaker 1:I my plan is and I've had this for months and I haven't done it, but that's why, this would fall straight out the wall with my ass like there's no way this is holding me up. That'd be a real bad. I make a lot of bad decisions, but even for me, that would be a real bad decision. This is for a green screen I want to get. I bought a green screen and I was just going to put it up on the ceiling, basically, and just be able to have a green screen that I could take down or put that. So that's, that's my plan.
Speaker 2:Well, that's why I got a retractable one I've thought about.
Speaker 1:I looked at that as well, for for here I was just like all right, let me just fucking buy a curtain rod at my local fucking Walmart or whatever.
Speaker 3:So, Liam, that makes total sense because your room and you're cleaning your house. All you got to do is drop a green screen and no one can know how just shambles your back behind you is there we go.
Speaker 1:I prefer people to know the shambles that I'm in, because I feel like it makes me more relatable. Like I get a lot of comments from people like, hey, your house is a fucking wreck, like mine is. I'm like, yeah, it is, and you know what? I'm an influencer that's doing okay, so like you can do it too. Uh, you don't need a clean house to to be successful. I don't know if that's the message.
Speaker 2:It doesn't matter what the real message is it was so great when terry simpson came on and he looked at your background and my background. It was like you two are just completely different people oh no, I don't, I don't do things dr terry.
Speaker 3:I love dr terry. I was just talking to him.
Speaker 1:I was just talking to him on instagram a couple days ago yeah, don't you know always mediterranean, okay, no, but back to what I was saying. I want to say I was saying I was just recording a video on just like appetite and always feeling hungry. So like I'm kind of curious, like because I do get asked a lot like what were some of the things that you did? Obviously, diet soda, we got to throw that one in there. Of course, like zero calories, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 3:If you don't want to drink it, don't drink it If you prefer seltzer Cheers, david Cheers, other than the fact that you drink Pepsi.
Speaker 2:Gross. I like when it comes to Coke versus Pepsi, I actually do prefer Coke. Okay, as most people should, but specifically the Pepsi Lime.
Speaker 1:I like the.
Speaker 2:Pepsi Lime.
Speaker 1:I don't think I've even seen the Pepsi. Okay, but besides diet soda, what were some of the things that you did that helped you kind of deal with the whole insatiable appetite? 100%.
Speaker 3:Number one, and I talk about this to almost an obsessive level prioritize protein, of course, like eating around 0.7 to 1 gram per pound in lean body mass and protein.
Speaker 1:So would you say of like goal weight, Because a lot of people you know, if you're 400 pounds, do you need 400 grams of protein? Probably not. No Lean body mass goal body.
Speaker 2:For the sake of it.
Speaker 3:I usually say goal body weight because technically the clinical research is lean body mass, which is even lower Technically. I would especially people that have the struggle and the proclivity to hunger. I would rather you lean on over-consuming protein than under, because it's going to help you with calories.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:Because, when you really crank on those protein numbers's. That's where these keto people tend to help so much because when they go low carb. They tend to eat a lot of.
Speaker 1:It's not all fat.
Speaker 3:They're not eating all fat they're eating way more protein than they're.
Speaker 2:Than they're they're used to they're not doing an actual keto diet with which is 90 fat exactly.
Speaker 3:They're going low carb, and that's always a fun one too. When they say keto, well, keto is actually 80 to 80 to 90 percent of your calories coming to fat.
Speaker 1:You're just doing low carb, like that's yeah and then low carb tends to be higher in protein yeah, which it helps like fucking also I'll get into it second, but it always drives me crazy because, like, the keto products are always super fucking high in fiber, which is, you know, is another thing.
Speaker 1:We'll get to that in a second, but so I want to say so, yeah, if you're if and if you just want to start and be like, okay, just get over 100 grams of protein, like that's at least somewhere to start, like that, that's fine, that that generally will help a lot of people. Um, do you have, did you have, any things that that you did for protein that you're like oh yeah, I got all that. You know, I did that all the time for protein or whatever something that helped you.
Speaker 3:My go-to is just like so many things in life make the right decision as easy as possible to do. I've been doing it for literally I don't know five to seven years now. I always have three pounds of chicken titties and three pounds of 91.9 green ground beef on me at all times and then I keep it relatively on um uh spices, like not a lot of spicing, and then I add spices after the fact, depending on the vibe. Like I'm feeling more indian, I'll do I'll like.
Speaker 1:At the end of it I'll add some curries and stuff so do you just cook it with other things, or do you just cook it by itself and then I cook it by itself? So, like I I do.
Speaker 3:I tended I've been in a shredded chicken phase lately, so it's just throw chicken breasts into a slow cooker and shred it, um, and then I'm feeling a barbecue sandwich and I'll add some low sugar barbecue sauce and then put it into a wrap and call it a day, or okay, I love these little tasty bites. Have you seen the brand tasty bite? I have not, so they have like bombay potato lentil. They have a lot of different stuff. They're delicious and like. A lot of times when you get these like these microwavable bag, like stuff like that, the fat tends to go crazy and then the calories jump really fast. The tasty bite brand they keep the fat under control so the calories don't go nuts and the fiber solid, um, so that's. That's. What I tend to do is like I have my chicken and beef lean sources on hand and then I can make.
Speaker 1:And then do you add, like when you go to eat it, okay, wrap salads, like you can make it.
Speaker 3:You can vibe it out really once. Once the meat's cooked like, it's very easy to transition into a salad, it's very easy to make a wrap, it's very easy to microwave it and turn it into whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for people listen, like you could do. Like I love the like pre-chopped salads. I know they're fucking extra expensive, whatnot, but like if I have to cut it all myself, I'm probably not gonna do it. So you know, like I'm not saving money because I'm just throwing out fucking leaves. Um, so, like the pre-chopped salads, or, yeah, having the wraps and obviously we talk about the low carb wraps extreme wellness, whatever extreme, well, it's my favorite, I love.
Speaker 3:I love the fact they say wellness because it says wellness it's automatically good for you. It comes with a side of moringa powder because it says wellness and so I love, I love the fact that I'm not a low carb keto guy, but I tend to my. My carb sources tend to be the ketetos because they they're higher. Let's jump into that.
Speaker 1:So the next one like fiber super important, very helpful, not only for your like health and everything, but also for weight loss and we've talked about many times. The average American gets like 10 to 15 grams a day, very low, generally. Recommendations 25 grams a day for women, 38 ish for men. I always say just kind of the more the better, until your body's like no more, that's good. So I you know you kind of have to listen to your body on that, but fiber can be extremely helpful for weight loss. So picking things, especially things that have protein and fiber and that is why I talk about so much it's just like beans have protein and fiber, like it's they each it's like seven or eight grams of fiber and protein, depending on the type of bean. And like, yeah, I love that. I just have canned beans and they're already fucking cooked and then I can make a wrap or you can throw, you know whatever.
Speaker 1:I just throw it even with rice or whatever it is.
Speaker 3:Learning to cook. Yeah, gotta learn to cook a little bit.
Speaker 1:I'd say, just even starting with like the basics, like I saw, you know what I made was it was really good. You take like the small low carb wraps, like the little mini ones, you know what I'm saying. You make pizza sauce, cheese and then pizza toppings. You stack one on top of the other throw in the air fryer and then, yeah, it's just got like it's like a kind of like a little mini pizza.
Speaker 2:Air fryer is like a cheat code for cooking. Air fryer is really good man.
Speaker 3:Crock pot.
Speaker 1:Crock pot.
Speaker 3:It's kind of hard to mess up a crock pot.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, unless you're just dumping cheese like Velveeta cheese in there, it's usually pretty good.
Speaker 2:Using it as a fondue pot instead of crock pot oh yes.
Speaker 3:Or we just watched the Super Bowl and we had the crack dip in our family, which is a whole brick of of velveta cheese, a pound and a half of beef and then like the rotel, whatever, which hey that's vegetables, that's.
Speaker 1:That is it's. You're adding at least some, yeah that's the crack dip. We only do that, at least a gram of fiber in that, for sure, I at least one. Uh, okay, so yeah, fiber. Did you have any other? Like you know, like the fiber sources are like the, you know the like low carb, like high fiber things that you generally go to, or is it so?
Speaker 3:protein bars. I love chocolate. I'm a I'm a whore for chocolate, so like I would say quest bars, but three bucks a bar. They can suck it like. I just can't wrap my head around it where I got a costco kirkland protein bars are just as good as quest bars, and they're a buck, a bar, yeah, so like protein bars is my go-to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they have the chocolate, so they have the chocolate. And uh, does the chocolate come with the the? No, the peanut butter comes with the.
Speaker 2:Uh, the cookies and cream.
Speaker 1:One cookies and cream, which I don't like, the fucking cookies and cream one I agree, but I like the peanut butter one. So I'm mad. Uh, people tell me I can order it online, but I haven't done that yet. It doesn't matter anyway. And so then the the chocolate comes with. What does the chocolate come with? Cookie dough that's a great combo and that one's actually a good one too. So that's the pack.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's usually, I think, now like 21 for 20 bars so, yeah, it's like the logical answer here is for you to save up your cookies and cream bars and just send out oakley on the street selling them to people still selling.
Speaker 1:I'll tell you she likes protein bars. I eat a protein bar. She's like give me something like you want to eat this. My wife's laughing because she's like she fucking hates protein bars for the most part, like if she'll find one she likes occasionally, like a bear bells, always.
Speaker 3:You know it's like basically the david bars are great, but they're three bucks a bar and I just can't wrap my head around it. Yeah, I just I did.
Speaker 1:I was surprised. I didn't think they would be good because they're 150 calories and 28 grams of protein which is how they do it wild.
Speaker 2:It's magic they use?
Speaker 1:they use modified plant fat which is not absorbed, which you don't get calories from. They modify the plant fat so you don't absorb it. Now I'm kind of wondering if you overdo it. Are you just pooping out fat globules?
Speaker 2:I just smashed, you like?
Speaker 1:four balls, let me know, yeah, if you just, I can't imagine it's got like because the fat has to go out of you if you can't absorb it Right, so like there's only one way that's going.
Speaker 3:Now here's a tip. This is super important Protein bars. I talk about this constantly. Um, because of marketing and marketers suck and they lie to you. Um, everything says protein. On the front of it now yeah, um. Run of it now yeah, um, that's just the current thing and so, tip of the day, if you're looking at protein bars, my go-to strategy is 10 in total calories needs to be in protein. So if you're eating something with 180 calories, I want to see 18 grams of protein. If you're eating something with 240 calories, I want to see 24 grams of protein.
Speaker 1:If you're keeping that ratio, you're actually eating a protein bar yeah, I'll say like, if it's got 20 grams of protein, just add a zero 200. Is that how it's set, of 200 calories or under? Perfect that's good, you're good, yeah, exactly, and if it's a little off, like the Robert Irving bars are like 16 grams of protein, 190 calories, you're like. If that's the one you like, hey, that's cool, it's close. Lot of them will be like eight grams of protein 250 calories and you're like what the?
Speaker 1:that's a what I can eat peanut butter and it's the same snickers protein bar it's like that's that doesn't work it's not how it works.
Speaker 1:So, yes, uh, those are great, definitely microwave, though if you don't really like to microwave them for like 10 seconds. The kirkland protein bars I'd say that's better. Uh, but protein bars and those also have like 12 grams of fiber, I think like 11, 12 grams of fiber, which is super helpful. So, like, if you can find that combo of protein and fiber, whether it's in a whole food like beans, or a protein bar or whatever it is, uh, you know that can definitely be helpful, so anything. So you got protein fiber diet soda, of course, or there are zero, whatever zero calorie, if I can drink you like it doesn't, doesn't matter anything else.
Speaker 3:You guys that with those um, and then outside of that, I think it's super important it's not talked about enough is relationship with food, from the sense of people using food to cope with stress and like and that whole game like, um, if you find that you're eating adequate protein you're eating mostly whole food and you have these binges and you're still hungry all the time, you have to start to ask the question yourself why am I still hungry? And oftentimes, people use food to cope with stress, and that's going to be a just. You're going to have to ask yourself like, am I stressed and am I using food to deal with it? Like that's something that's personal? Um, but gosh, it affects so many people. So many people use food to cope, just like alcohol for stress, just like so many things for stress people. Do you work?
Speaker 1:because don't you work with like do you work with clients?
Speaker 3:at all, yeah, so I pull back heavy.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I still have a couple. Yeah, so I'm just so, over the years I'm sure you've done it and like I'm sure you've dealt with people dealing with stress, any like things that have generally helped them, or like that helped you during your process, or just like you know what do you think?
Speaker 3:so biggest thing to me there is you don't stop bad habits. You fill the void of bad habits with better ones so like you just don't stop stress eating.
Speaker 3:It's like there's, there's, so there's two sides to your situation. You have number, you have stress, and what is bringing stress in your life, and things you can control, work through. Hey, if you have a job that you hate, maybe pivoting jobs is something you should look into. If you have a relationship that's close to you a friend, a family member, whatever that's just driving a lot of stress in your life, maybe you need to get out of those stressful situations so you can lower that. And then, number two, stress-relieving outlets. So like, okay, food is not a good stress-relieving outlet. Maybe it's working out, maybe it's meditation, prayer, like cathartically talking to a friend, whatever yoga, playing with kittens. Playing with kittens, playing with puppies, um, shooting guns is quite stress relieving. Like, just just just like straight up in the air, that sounds very american.
Speaker 1:Yeah yosemite sam style. Yosemite sam style.
Speaker 3:I just want to go straight up in the air, just boom boom boom boom, I don't know.
Speaker 1:I've seen a thousand ways to die or whatever that show was, and I think a few of them are just falling bullets. It's it's.
Speaker 3:It's like all all you need is a target and a shotgun. It's like I feel like having a cupcake and like you shoot a can and it's like the cupcake taste that you got.
Speaker 1:It's just gone or shoot the cupcake or shoot the cupcake now we're getting into, like that I just covered, like to cover that a little while ago, like one of those like ed fucking hacks. Or like, oh, just ruin the food, pour pickle juice over whatever you're eating so you don't want to eat it anymore, yeah, no. Or, like you know, pour coffee grounds on it. You know that's what a lot of yeah. And I'm like I don't recommend that. I don't know if that's that's, is that a long-term strategy?
Speaker 3:I I don't get it like I. It goes into like the, everything else. Like my business partner, john um, he's been down 300 for eight, nine years now and I respect the shit on him for this, but I I challenged him on it um, he didn't eat a normal slice of pizza for six years during his weight like did he have like alternatives to like pizza slice?
Speaker 1:yeah, he did the low carb ones.
Speaker 3:He did the cauliflower ones, but he was because he's a New York Italian guy and so like pizza was like a safety blanket for him. So he was afraid, after losing the weight, to incorporate it back. And I'm like I remember having a conversation with him. I'm like, bro, you realize you're still going to die. I know you can go your whole life with. If you want to do that, it's totally fine, it's your life. I know you can go your whole life with. If you want to do that, it's totally fine, it's your life. But if I, personally, if I knew that I I lost 10 minutes of life for some pizza, I'm okay with it. Like I'm going to have some pizza, I'm okay with losing 10.
Speaker 2:Who wants to live to a hundred anyway?
Speaker 3:It's just, it's just crazy.
Speaker 1:Johnson 3000 or whatever it is for anybody he's the anti-aging guy or whatever he's trying to like basically live forever or whatever. Do all his different like supplements and everything uh, dad brian johnson is liver king oh, literally wait oh brian, I was thinking of no brian johnson, you're thinking um who's? What's the guy's name?
Speaker 2:uh no I thought it was brian johnson isn't it?
Speaker 1:oh okay, now we're gonna have to find. You're thinking what's the guy's name? I think it's Brian Johnson. No, I thought it was Brian Johnson, isn't it? Okay now we're going to have to find out. I'm just looking up, I'm just Googling.
Speaker 3:Brian Johnson yeah, I think Brian Johnson's the longevity guy. Am I right?
Speaker 1:Brian Johnson longevity. What is it? Oh, that guy.
Speaker 2:Okay, no, that guy Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay, I that guy, okay Okay.
Speaker 3:I was going to say I feel pretty confident in this. I don't know Liver King's real name, I don't even know. Is it Brian? Are there two?
Speaker 1:Wait, is Liver King. Does he have the?
Speaker 3:same name as Brian Johnson. That would be wild if-.
Speaker 1:I'm looking up what's Liver King's real name. I'm spelling all of this wrong.
Speaker 2:Liver King is also Brian Johnson.
Speaker 1:What it is brian with a y is. Live forever brian and brian and and liver king. Brian is I bro. That is fascinating. I actually didn't.
Speaker 2:I never connected I never knew that that's funny.
Speaker 1:Well, there we go, so so we're both right so we're, we're all correct, everyone's correct.
Speaker 1:Oh shit, I've seen like a couple brian brian with y has been doing a couple videos where he's just like I can't believe this is a real thing and he has like crumble cooking. It's like it's so horrible for you and soda and regular soda is so horrible and I'm just like like I totally get that, but like has anyone eaten, like you know, crumble cookies for their health? They ever eat like a caramel cookie and be like I'm, but then healthy.
Speaker 2:Dave asprey was the person I thought you were. Dave asper, okay, but the thing with brian johnson.
Speaker 3:The guy is like again, they're all gimmicky because I'll never forget when he like again, do you Like whatever? Whatever you want to spend your money on, cool, do you? But, like he, when you say clinical research and you're objectively saying it wrong, you're going to get challenged. He had a video of him talking about how hand strength correlates with longevity. Had a video of him talking about how, uh, hand strength correlates with longevity.
Speaker 3:So he was doing the freaking hand squeezers and like strengthening his hand grip for trying to live longer. And I'm like, bro, that's not what that study's saying. Like that, like there's no.
Speaker 1:Like, that's not like so I see this a lot where it's like this correlates with, you know, like longevity, and it's just more like, and so, like you look at something like, say, cholesterol, people will point out like when you have higher cholesterol, they live longer, and it's like more like. So, like you look at something like, say, cholesterol, people will point out like when you have higher cholesterol, they live longer, and it's like, well, when you get cancer, that fucking tanks your cholesterol, right? So that means people who are, you know, dying of cancer have super low cholesterol. So it might show that, like, having higher is beneficial.
Speaker 3:That's why risk is J curve.
Speaker 1:I've learned this one it's a J curve, yes, so like, yeah, they're doing all these extra things, like, yeah, hand strengthening, like, if you want to like, sure, but I don't think I doubt that's going to make you live, oh.
Speaker 3:I just like Brian you want to live longer. Look at this study. He's just doing squeezers and I'm like bro, that's not what that study is saying Like that's just not risk of falling off a building.
Speaker 1:Maybe I like, if you're, if you're a rock climber, like he, literally like his morning routine is three hours long and it's like fucking the red light therapy and all the supplements and all these different things. So, like you know, honestly I can't hate him, like like listen, dude, I think, I think it's interesting, we'll, we'll be able to, you know, we'll be able to see. And he says himself like everyone thinks I'm, most people think I'm weird and I totally get it. But like I'm just gonna do this just to try and find out what's the limit for when you do everything right, when you take your son's blood and put it inside of you, does that help at all? That's a real. I'm not making that one up.
Speaker 2:No, you're not making that up and the crazy one to me.
Speaker 3:That too is it popped up on social media. There are currently a thousand people across the world they're they're in cryotherapy right now. Did you know that they're? Currently there are a thousand people um around the world that are in cryotherapy, meaning like they're frozen right now. Okay, um, because whether they were getting towards the end of life and they just they know they're going to die, students are terrified. So they're in crowd, like they're, they're like froze in in what's considered suspension, like in a frozen, slowed down heart rate, all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, um, or they have some terminal disease and they like slowed down their metabolism and put them in this cryotherapy or whatever keeping their brain functioning, but basically everything else is stopped.
Speaker 1:Like there's a thousand people right now that done that thousand people that's I mean that number sounds about right for me, because there's a lot of people you know, especially if you're like wealthier or something oh, you gotta be super rich right to do that.
Speaker 2:So I guess I get it like I don't know, I'm not well, I mean, if they die, they lose it, so they may as well risk trying to keep it right.
Speaker 1:See what happens, see what happens Like yeah. So I can't you know, maybe Star Wars is going to come around and you're just going to get thawed out and you'll just have one of those little headaches or whatever.
Speaker 3:I just found that one fascinating. There's thousands of people that are in like this. What's going to happen? I don't know, but they paid for it.
Speaker 2:Where are we storing them, cool?
Speaker 3:I don't know, there's like, there's like a whole thing in Russia and which is hysterical. There's a whole thing in. Russia and it is a thing in America, somewhere Interesting.
Speaker 1:Interesting, but anyway, uh, losing weight. So so you know, help the relationship with food stress. I was going to say for your thing, like I think it's really important just to find another outlet. Also, people go to like the gym. They lose weight, but a lot of that isn't just from, isn't because of like the calories they burn at the gym. They just leave the house, they have another hobby, they're doing something else and so, like you know, just finding you're thinking of eating less yeah, all the above it just if I mean like, just the idea of whatever fitness, now that that's super important.
Speaker 3:Like again, fitness doesn't have to be punishment and it shouldn't be punishment. So like, whatever, whatever fitness. I love bodybuilding, I love the, the, the process of it. I love putting on lean muscle. That's person like my girlfriend. She loves crossfit. I loathe it with a passion. I'm like you do you like you love that, keep doing it. I know I'm good. Um, I've done it before. I blew out my right shoulder doing it.
Speaker 1:I'll, uh, I'm good I like the martial arts. I do like muay thai kickboxing. I really enjoy that. My fucking man I I kicked some guy's fucking knee with my toe. That shit swelled up so I can't curl my toes. It's it's not, but I do enjoy this as well, that's what you get for toe exercise uh, don't kick someone in the knee with your toe.
Speaker 1:Not a good idea, uh you learned that in soccer as a kid it's kick with the top of your foot, you know just for the side inside find something you enjoy again is an outlet. So okay, so we got protein fiber. You know relationship with food, you know find an outlet, that sort of thing. Anything else you want to add on top of that, or diet soda, of course. How do I forget the diet soda? Diet soda Got to hit it again, this whole episode, just keep mentioning it.
Speaker 3:I mean it goes off a little bit of the whole relationship with food side of things, but it plays a huge role. Law of association who you surround yourself with most is who you become okay. Yeah, so like if all you're hanging around is your friends, all they do is drink too much alcohol and just like it's just it played, like it doesn't mean you have to like I want to make sure it's known. You don't have to cut these friends off, but you have to be thinking to yourself how much time am I spending with them? Because their actions do blend into yours and so it's. I'm not this type of person where it's like you need to cut off these people. It's like, no, you just have to limit exposure so that you have a balance of of of influence. Um, because again, if all your friends do is just go out and binge alcohol and binge food all the time and you're just going to just sit there and go, I'll get my salad Like it's just the good luck, totally get that.
Speaker 1:I'm kind of curious. When you started losing weight, did you start counting calories early on? Or were you just like I'm just doing a few things and then eventually you got into that? Or when did that come along?
Speaker 3:How it started, because I went through a pretty solid personal diet culture phase. Um, because how I started? You know chris and heidi powell, chris powell, heidi powell they were extreme weight loss on abc back in the day.
Speaker 3:Um, so, uh, I started with a program that they ran, which was carb cycling um the carb cycling and so I started carb cycling, which ultimately got me high protein, and then it was carving like up, like high carb, low carb days. But then you start and I was counting calories too. Um, and then you get hooked on. Wow, every time I go low carb, I lose more weight yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and phonics.
Speaker 3:And hooked on phonics and so freaking. Then it got me to do low carb more consistently. Then I was pretty much low carb for an extended period of time. Then you start getting into the carb insulin model side of things. So then I started looking into fasting and Fung and all this stuff and Jason Fung and I went down the fat insulin model stuff and I went through fasting phases and low carb and I started with just carb cycling and it kind of transitioned me all the way into the diet culture side of fearing carbs and even to the point this is going to hurt.
Speaker 3:I thought diet soda was part of the reason why I was 400 pounds and so in the early stages of my weight loss without diet soda how long? Two years, two years, two years I I thought it was better that I had five grams of regular sugar drinks, like say, like it had five grams of sugar cane sugar. I thought that was better for you than having a diet soda. So I went through a whole phase where I stopped diet soda and I'd have a little bit of sugar cane sugar. I thought that was better for you than having a diet soda. So I went through a whole phase where I stopped diet soda, I did not have a little bit of sugar drinks, um, and then you follow the clinical research and you stay open-minded and you go, oh, that was bullshit, and I'm back to my diet I drank zevia for a long time because it was stevia.
Speaker 1:I was like oh, that's better, that's natural. I did that for a little while.
Speaker 2:I tried while I tried and I took two sips and threw it out I will say their ginger root beer.
Speaker 1:Not bad, I'll still drink that from time to time. But a lot of their flavors, their lemon lime, tastes like battery acid and whoever came up with that should be fired. But you know like it's. You know, whatever you, whatever zero calorie you like, that doesn't matter. If you like zevia, nope, um, okay, I'm just. I was just kind of curious because the calorie counting, because a lot of times when people start they just start doing like anything that they see that works like on tv or whatever it is, and then eventually you kind of get usually later into the do you count calories now? Do you still go through?
Speaker 3:phases. Um, it just depends. Like, if I'm interested in maintenance phase, I don't really think about it too much, okay, um, I have my general, my go-to meals. I do like a like two indulgence meals a week and I just kind of eat to my plan and I'm just kind of in routine, okay, um, and then if I'm in a intentional cut, then I will track macros and really kind of hone in, um, like I think I'm gonna, I'm competing again this fall and so I'm on a cut right now, kind of leaning out, and then once we get towards like summertime, I'll do like a 12 to 14 week hard cut, um, where I'll compete again in bodybuilding this next fall. So then at that point then I'm like weighing out my food, doing all that kind of stuff, um, but it just it depends on what season I'm in doing, being down 200 pounds for 10 years now, it just depends yeah, I mean say, for most people, like you know, just counting calories like permanently just seems like so much work.
Speaker 2:It's a lot and a lot of just stress and effort, like I just you know, and a lot of times we eat the same things over and over again. So once you learn what that exactly is, once you once you figure that out, like you're good now.
Speaker 3:But flip side of the coin, though I think it's super important, I get so sick of these rds that are the intuitive eaters and they have this fundamental idea like again, I'm a huge advocate for intuitive eating and have a there's so many good pillars of it a good relationship with food, a good self-image, all this kind of stuff is great. But then it starts to go to the fringe of like any type of restriction is in a disordered eating. Like if you're tracking calories. It's disordered.
Speaker 1:I'm like it can be disordered, it's not inherently disordered and the thing is because it's always shades of gray, right it's never just like and now it's disordered, like there's this kind of little gray area.
Speaker 2:In order for it to be inherent, you have to learn what that even is, exactly yeah.
Speaker 1:So I think, yeah, like short term counting calories, just to figure out how many calories are in the general things you eat the most, it's very helpful, very helpful, just like. It's a great tool. Yeah, I mean, even if you're not like counting them up like every day and then adding them all up, just like what am I eating these things? Let me look up how many calories are in these things. You you'd be surprised with some of the things you eat. You're like, holy shit, I thought a whole pizza had 500 calories. It's more like almost 500 calories a slice, like I mean it's not that, but like just pizza is literally 500 calories, it's like 450.
Speaker 1:Some the giant. You get those big giant like the jets, the big square deep dish and it's worth it.
Speaker 3:Like listen, and I dip in ranch. When I do it, I do it some, so I'm dipping my my pizza and ranch too, so like just send it I get it well, okay, okay.
Speaker 1:So we talked about that, but before we go, I know you, we definitely wanted to talk about your, you know, anti-diet diet club. So get, definitely, give us a little bit on what you're doing now.
Speaker 3:Yeah so, uh, we're about to be having a private screening here shortly. About 18 months ago, oh, you have so many documentaries out there, uh, in the nutrition space that are mostly bullshit, mostly bullshit.
Speaker 1:You got you got an agenda.
Speaker 3:You know right like there's yeah, all my dad and I watched what the health together, and when they said eating an egg was equivalent to smoking two cigarettes. My dad just lost it.
Speaker 1:I think it was five cigarettes. Was it five cigarettes? I think it was five cigarettes. One egg is five cigarettes and you're just like, oh my gosh, what is this?
Speaker 3:And it's so funny because I'm like, I'm an advocate to eat more fruits and vegetables. People Like no one saturated fat has limits Like no one's saying it does, but like it's, it's exhausting, but there's just so many diets Like there's, so there's. There's been very few grounded, evidence-based look at the big picture documentaries out there. And so myself, john and the director Josh came together to create the anti-diet diet club. The director Josh came together to create the Anti-Diet Diet Club. It is an inspirational momentum start for obesity transformations, extreme weight loss.
Speaker 3:Me and five other friends Dalton, des, levi, john all of us together have lost a combined 1,400 pounds, and between the six of us we've been done 1400 pounds for 60 years of time, maybe something like that. 50 years of time, um and so, uh, weight loss surgery not weight loss surgery. Medications, not medications. Just giving the the full objective. Look at what it what it was like to be 400 pounds or being extreme overweight. What got us there? Um, and then the decision to make change. And, like that, that balance of fault versus responsibility. Where it may not be your fault. You had this, uh, traumatic event in your childhood that made you use food to cope with stress, but it is your responsibility to deal with it, like you. There's no other way around it. And so, and that transition to what? How do you go about making the shift? Um, and then then medical intervention, the science behind weight loss, surgery and medications and how they're helpful, um.
Speaker 3:And so we help a friend of mine, ben, start his journey. Uh, he started this. He started the doc 18 months ago. He's a. I love him. Today he's. He does not have a mean bone in his body. He's the most like, lovable little gut, like I call what you're saying is all his bones are humorous all right, that'll do it for us everybody.
Speaker 1:Have a nice night, mike. Drop your worst.
Speaker 3:That was funny, um, and so he was 5'6", 5'7", 360 pounds. I love him to death. He was a bowling ball. He was a bowling ball and super horrible sleep apnea. Honestly, he was worse than me at 400 plus when it comes to health. You could just see it. He had such bad sleep apnea that he'd fall, fall asleep driving type level. That happened, yeah, and so we help him start his journey and I'm not going to give it away, but in 18 months he's doing really well and you're gonna have to watch the documentary to find out how well he's doing.
Speaker 1:And not crazy, very sustainable, not sexy it's carb cycling, intermittent fasting, all the, all, the all the secret stuff, and so um but yeah, it's going really well.
Speaker 3:Um, so we're having a private screening in march in grand rapids. Um, liam, if you want to come, you're welcome to it. I can give you the information on it march.
Speaker 1:Um, that's pretty soon yeah it's march 8th, but we're, and so we're to find it. Though, what do we just look up? What do they? What do they do to to find it when it comes out?
Speaker 3:so yeah, so how it's working right now is we are negotiations with netflix, amazon and a lot of other streaming platforms. Okay, um, we're going to go major streaming platform and we're in a good position. So, as this private screening happens, we're actually in negotiations right now on where we're going to be on it. So, as soon as we have a solidified location, um, you can just follow the instagram is the easiest way to stay connected with it and where it's going to go. Um, but, yeah, that's, that's the the process right now they can also follow you on instagram.
Speaker 2:Where do they find you follow?
Speaker 3:me, where do they underscore d rock? And then the instagram for anti-diet diet club is anti-diet diet club, doc, doc, um, and then you can actually watch the trailer on anti-diet diet club, doccom well, we're in moderationnet.
Speaker 1:we couldn't get thecom, so ours is unique enough.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like anti-diet, anti-diet diet club doc or anti-diet diet clubcom was gone, but AntiDietClubcom was good. I love it. I feel like everything's taken nowadays.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's fucking Nothing's original anymore, guys. Everything's just been fucking done. And I'm just at the point where everything's reused and redone. It's just like whatever it does A little spin.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, just like Liam's mug from Ben.
Speaker 1:I just do it the same thing, but with more dick jokes. That's pretty much all my. That's the really main difference.
Speaker 3:I just Because I said some amazing things that no one's else heard before. I missed that. No, I was just saying, and I, this doctor, like, what about weight loss? I said such amazing things that no one's ever heard before.
Speaker 2:You have to watch to find out First time. Dun, dun, dun. Yeah, we'll have a private screening of that, in moderation, just for everybody.
Speaker 1:That's the game. That's the game. We need all the secrets, but that's how you sell the stuff, you know? That's what I'm saying. Like, you need those secrets. Everyone wants it man and some of some of the shit I'm getting tagged in now. It's like, hey, are you? People talk about losing one to two pounds a week? How about once to one to two pounds a day? And like these things and like those videos are blowing up oh, have you seen the hyper ketosis dude, the hyper ketosis. That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3:Yep, exactly I've I've made videos on them and it's just like, it's just so annoying, it's like bro you're just doing high protein, low calories that's you made Oakley cry, I heard
Speaker 1:that.
Speaker 2:You made Oakley cry for bringing him up.
Speaker 1:I probably have to get going here soon. She has not been fucking sleeping. We went to Kosai. I had a whole plan. I was like she'll sleep around 2 o'clock for this. Perfect no. When you have fucking one-year-olds, they say whatever your plans are, get out of here with that shit. You're in that. I own you dad. Seriously, this kid man, you're gonna change my diaper now. Oh, that kid cries when I change your time. Like you want to just sit there with poop in your butt.
Speaker 1:I don't think so you know oh man, for one year olds man, I'm telling you, it keeps me busy and you know that's. I'll tell you that much I keep you burning your calories for shit, else I just I, I try and film everything when she's napping. That's like. The only time I have to do things is when she's napping, like let me go fucking eat this weird vegan bacon that I just made that's made out of rice paper. Sure, let me go do that real quick Before she wakes up. Wasn't good, by the way? No, bad, didn't like it.
Speaker 2:Who would?
