In Moderation
Providing health, nutrition and fitness advice in moderate amounts to help you live your best life.
Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
In Moderation
Roundtable: Unmasking Health Myths with Laughter and Insight
Ever wondered if your pet's vet might make a great doctor for you? We kick off this episode with a playful exploration of veterinary medicine for humans and dive into the quirky world of cow anatomy and the uneven nature of human lungs. Our journey doesn't stop there! Join us as we share our chaotic yet relatable tales of combining nutrition with hectic schedules, armed with practical tips like the lifesaver that is rotisserie chicken and the convenience of freezer meals. Find out how a quick kitchen hack can save you time and make mealtime less stressful.
We're not afraid to debunk some common food myths either! Our conversation takes a turn toward the versatility of burritos and wraps, proving that healthy eating doesn't have to be boring. You’ll learn how air fryers can transform the humble potato into a nutritional powerhouse. We also touch on the sometimes messy world of high-fiber diets and the digestive surprises they might bring. And of course, we laugh at the sometimes wild marketing tactics that have us questioning everything from sweeteners to seed oils, encouraging skepticism and informed discussion in the face of misinformation.
As we round out the episode, we take a critical look at emerging health trends and the impact of misinformation spread by social media influencers. We dig into the rise of quirky health fads, the allure of becoming an online health guru, and the band-aid solutions often peddled to unsuspecting audiences. From the importance of foundational health practices to the fascinating psychology behind popular diet trends, this episode is packed with insights and humor. Join us for a compelling conversation that challenges conventional wisdom and leaves you questioning the true meaning of health and wellness.
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Here in Texas my health care options are behind a barn. They said they could take me out back now or they could.
Speaker 2:Or later.
Speaker 1:Or later. Yeah, those were the only two options they gave me.
Speaker 3:And they just put you down. Is that the only option? That's pretty much.
Speaker 4:You know, I bet you could probably find some slightly shady vets that would help you out if you needed to.
Speaker 3:Honestly, though, like vets, what Name one difference between any animal and a human Like? There's really none.
Speaker 4:A cow has like eight stomachs.
Speaker 3:Okay, besides name 12 more, like there's basically no differences. A vet, I'm sure, could take care of a human well enough.
Speaker 1:If anybody's out there listening is uh willing to try this. If you're a vet and you want to give one of those four stomachs?
Speaker 4:it's probably four stomachs, but yeah it seems like a lot.
Speaker 3:I don't remember how?
Speaker 4:let's go with four. How many okay?
Speaker 1:let's split the difference call it six hey, good enough you heard it here first on in moderation, where everything is checked and we don't make anything up the cows have one stomach with four compartments or chambers, so I guess it's one stomach.
Speaker 3:But they got.
Speaker 5:They got parts to their stomach like we got parts to our heart, you know what always bothers me is the fact that we have got three compart or I don't know if you call them compartments on one of our lungs and then two on the other. Why are our lungs uneven?
Speaker 3:I fuck, I don't remember what the, the thought reasoning behind that or the theories behind that was what?
Speaker 4:the fuck. Liam, you're right, it's one stomach in four chambers one stomach.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm right, because I google shit, that's basically all you have to do. He's fast on the google you just fucking just like man. It's always like do your own research, like your research was fucking nothing, just google that shit dummy and your lungs are different sizes because they have to.
Speaker 4:Your heart takes up space.
Speaker 3:Yes oh is, is that? Why three? So it's like the one on the right you have three lobes because it's bigger and so because your heart's on the left, sort of. Yeah, I feel like that's what it is, should we?
Speaker 1:introduce everybody? Oh, I guess we should. Uh, do we already start? Should we start?
Speaker 3:hey, everybody welcome to episode 69 plus.
Speaker 2:Oh, fuck four can you hear me, okay, yeah, okay. Every time I've connected my microphone, it's always just a disaster for me oh, we're fine, I think it's 69 plus four.
Speaker 3:So I'm gonna go with that, because we go just for yeah, for andy and gabs who are here, we go base 69, so 69 minus this plus whatever, and we're on plus four right now, I believe.
Speaker 3:But how you guys doing good, how are you super duper dude oh man, I just got back from cosi, which my daughter wakes up at like seven in the morning. I'm like, okay, go to the gym, work out for a little bit while fucking people watch her. And then, you know, basically go to the museum every day, because that's the only thing this kid will fucking enjoy is just there's tons of different things. T-rex, look, that's awesome. Next thing keep going, that's really my whole. And then I run back here, shove things into my face like people are talking about, like oh, I make a whole meal. No, no, no. I get home I grab dates out of my cow, out of my cabinet, and peanut butter and a spoon and I just eat a date and I shove peanut butter in there and I'll grab like a fair life for like extra protein and that's it.
Speaker 5:You're doing better than me. I had a peanut butter cookie for breakfast.
Speaker 2:I honestly, I'm not doing well right now.
Speaker 3:I kind of want to eat rotisserie chicken those are fucking lifesavers when you're just like, oh, here we go, food it needs, like it has to just be ready. It has to be ready like set yourself up for success by just already having things like in my drawer like I always talk about, like the dry roasted edamame. What else do I have here? Fucking things, I drop pistachios, like all right, that's the things I can just take and then put into my face hole and then I'm good. And then none of this. Like I see so many fucking recipes where it's like did it's like I just found out, if you and it just goes on for like five minutes, you're like you add this and then you saute that, you flambe this. Like what the fuck? Who are you and why do you have all this time? I need, I need food, like ready now. So avocado toast, thank you.
Speaker 4:I have a piece of bread, toaster, avocado it's like maybe they have time for that because someone else is watching their children yeah, like I got fucking, like you know the whole I'm the only one in my house watching my kids, so that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3:Imagine what do you go to? Okay, what do you go to when you have fucking no time? You're just like all right, I'm food now Go. Freezer meals Freezer meals, like do you have a specific brand you go with or a specific type, or are you just like whatever, whatever's on sale?
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, there's some healthy choice ones that don't suck the real good ones brand. Yeah, it's like real good, real good ones are okay, you know, the real.
Speaker 1:Like the real, like the real good food they're trying to be higher in protein.
Speaker 3:The real bad ones suck why they keep making those I have people tell me those all the time, like they have the different chickens and stuff. It's like lightly breaded or whatever, like I haven't gotten those yet because I just I only like a ton of chicken. But but yeah, I always go with the bird's eye power blends. That's my go-to. I just throw that shit in the microwave for five minutes and then I'm good.
Speaker 1:As someone who's lost 110 pounds, my meals have to be quick or I'm not going to make them Right. It's everything I make on a regular basis for the most part, unless I want to get fancy with something or I want to try something which is rare. My meals take maybe 10 minutes max, and a lot of that is just like heating something up and walking away from it. That's it. It's it doesn't it doesn't set on fire.
Speaker 2:Microwave potatoes.
Speaker 3:Microwave potato. Oh bro, microwave potatoes is fucking shit. So so, listen, I usually like just kind of wash it a little bit because like I don't know dirt or something whatever, and then I pierce it like a few times with a knife or fork, wrap it in paper towel and then I throw it in for like five minutes. If it's one of those like massive potatoes, it'll take like more, like 10 and then you just cut that shit open. You put whatever on there. You know what I just had yesterday for a video? You know what I did Tuna and beans, beans and tuna fish on the brief. So there's okay. So there's jacket potatoes. You ever heard of jacket potatoes? It's a British thing.
Speaker 1:I'm leaving.
Speaker 3:Okay, good, see you later, Mike. So typically it's beans or like tuna and corn, but like some places, I was like they do beans and they do tuna at the same time and I was like I like all three of those things, so, ergo, I should like them together.
Speaker 5:Was it good or was it weird?
Speaker 3:I should go mmm, but yes, to answer your question, it wasn't actually that bad Like I actually enjoyed it it was, but it is a little weird. I think you should go tuna or beans anyway. The point is you can throw whatever on a fucking potato, like tuna and corn is actually pretty good, or beans, and then you do, you know, like some cheese or salt and pepper, boom whatever.
Speaker 4:Oh, if you made like a, if you put some like like taco seasoning on chicken and beans and cheese and put on a potato I like that.
Speaker 3:I like the taco seasoning thing, because like seasoning is already like in the packet or whatever. You know what I'm saying. You don't have to be like make your own taco seasonings. Get the fuck out of here. I'm not making my own taco seasoning. Are you shitting me? This is it's 2025 and I'm going to be sitting here being like okay, a dash of cumin and like no absolutely not.
Speaker 4:I didn't do that when I was motivated and not a single parent.
Speaker 3:I don't think I've ever done that, I don't think I ever will do that, but you could do like a pizza thing. What if you did like cheese and like pepperoni or like other pizza toppings or something like that?
Speaker 4:That would be really good. Potatoes are like the miracle food.
Speaker 2:They are.
Speaker 3:You cannot go wrong with a potato, I'm so satisfied every time I eat a potato Right, I've never had potato. It's it's like five bucks and you get whatever three college especially. Yeah, if you're broke potatoes and shit man, um, okay, what's what do you think's most like underrated food for? Like health-wise, what do you think? I got already got something in mind so you can pick, either like an individual food is yours or no it's not shut up, no, um or like a meal, like what?
Speaker 2:Edamame.
Speaker 3:Edamame is also really good. That is bean.
Speaker 2:You stole mine Protein and fiber.
Speaker 3:And healthy fats.
Speaker 2:And it's easy. You can just buy it frozen and then yeah, and healthy fats.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's really got everything, except for it's got soy, which destroys your everything. According to social media, Pretty much everything.
Speaker 1:All it does is destroy my fucking comment section.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's the only thing it's ever ruined.
Speaker 4:And you can entertain children because you can pop them out of the pod.
Speaker 3:Now I did have someone comment to me. I think I met no, I met them in person and they're like I tried the edamame and it wasn't good. And it turns out they were trying to eat the pod. So you don't eat the pod, you just they're not snap peas. No, they're not snap peas exactly. You have to just like pop the little you know edamame out of the pod. What I find interesting is if you don't say soy, if you just say edamame, you won't even get comments about soy, because people don't even fucking know I just messed that.
Speaker 2:I just messed that up. I just said oh, it's not an allergen. Yeah, people don't think about it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, so it's like people don't even know it's soy, but you say like soy milk or one of those other ones.
Speaker 3:That's when your comment section fucking lights up with oh it's terrible for this and that, like you don't even know what's super. You know what's super underrated burritos. I gotta say I feel like the burrito is like crazy underrated just for either weight loss or or health or whatever, because like you just throw whatever you want in there, obviously you get like the low carb ones with like extra fiber, but even if you don't, like.
Speaker 1:Can I just give a quick shout out to if anybody's looking for a lower calorie, higher fiber alternative to tortilla wraps like the carb smart ones or the whole wheat ones that I? I think they're pressing them out of cardboard in a pasta press like. They're just like fibrous and disgusting. The only good ones in that I've been able to find are the extreme wellness wraps extreme as top tier, that's the best, but they're soft mission has mission.
Speaker 3:Has the like white flour ones that are not whole wheat and are also high fiber oh really high protein oh okay, I usually see carb counter okay, so I probably have to try it because the extreme wellness ones are 50 to 60 calories.
Speaker 1:I think it's 12 grams of fiber I know and they're really soft like you can fold them, bend them. They don't crack like some of the other ones do how much?
Speaker 2:I don't know how they do it are they cheap, like mission ones?
Speaker 3:I actually don't know how much I think they might be a little bit more expensive, but typically when I go to my store it's like four or five dollars for a pack.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they're like and they make a mean, mean quesadilla yeah, cheese in there, that's good.
Speaker 3:Oh, you know what you can do. I saw this, I did this once. Uh, you, you throw them in the toaster. So you just like, fold up the sides and then fold up the top, make it into like a hot pocket and you do like cheese, or you do uh what's another?
Speaker 3:one. Yeah, fucking hot pockets, man. My problem with the hot pockets, though, is you bite into it and then it's scalding hot. And then you give it a second and then it's ice cold. Other parts are ice cold. I hate that shit. Um, but like banana and peanut butter, that's what you throw in the wrap together, smash it, toaster boom air fryer.
Speaker 2:I think air fryer was the best investment I ever made, because it cooks so much faster and it's just so easy and you can't mess it up. I feel like when you put things in the air fryer and we're talking about potatoes you just throw everything in the air fryer. I just press the steak button or the vegetable button, and then I leave it and then I come back. It's done.
Speaker 3:I like the. So like, air fryer fries are good, but like the fingerling potatoes man, you cut those fucking things in half, throw them on a sheet or whatever, throw them in the air fryer oil seasoning so good people forget that, like potatoes, have fiber in them that's because I think we've been taught it's all fucking instant insulin inducing, fucking simple carbs or whatever that's.
Speaker 4:That's what I see well, and then for leftovers, potatoes become resistant starch. So it's just like you cannot go wrong with this potato.
Speaker 1:I'm just so sick of the potato hate the reason why we think that they're so unhealthy isn't because of the potato itself, it's because of the way that they're often prepared. I guess if you're only eating fries, then, yes, there's going to be a lot of extra calories involved.
Speaker 5:Slathering it in butter.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry. I challenge anybody listening to us right now to eat one of those giant, giant potato, like one of the ones where you can't wrap your whole hand around it, and it's 300 calories max for that whole thing have you guys ever had a japanese sweet potato? No, I think so. Oh my god purple ones.
Speaker 2:No, there's the purple ones and then there's the japanese ones. They're more like, they're yellowy inside and they taste more buttery and sweeter. And then you put butter on. They're more like, they're yellowy inside and they taste more buttery and sweeter. And then you put butter on. They're so good.
Speaker 1:Oh, that looks great.
Speaker 2:It's so good they make the best fries.
Speaker 1:Do you have to like special order this or go to a?
Speaker 2:store.
Speaker 1:You have to fly to.
Speaker 5:Japan go out to the fields, pick one yourself.
Speaker 2:Not the same as a sack of potatoes, but they're really good yeah, this is something I'd definitely try pretty much any potato I'm in like sweet potatoes.
Speaker 3:Man, it's fucking just so good. I've seen like this I've been wanting to make a little recently people tag me in it like sweet potato toast. I've seen like mariana of mariana's, like you know she's she made a few of these. You just slice them up and some people throw them in the fucking toaster and I feel like I'm calling bullshit. I don't feel like. I feel like they'll burn before they'll cook, but I'm going to give it a try. You slice them up and then, you know, just throw them right in the toaster and then add whatever you usually do to toast, Like, I don't know, avocado or whatever.
Speaker 4:Pumpkin pie spice. Oh man yeah.
Speaker 3:It's because you got cinnamon.
Speaker 1:Oh, you know what I used to do. I would microwave a sweet potato, just like you would microwave a regular potato in a cup, and then I would mash it down with a fork. Stick with me here. It's going to get weird.
Speaker 3:There's chocolate in there, coco, you're making a cake.
Speaker 1:I would put some, so I'd mash it up like a regular mashed potato. I'd mash it up like a regular mashed potato. I'd put some sugar-free maple syrup in there and cinnamon, pumpkin spice which is what you said before and peanut butter.
Speaker 1:Oh no, that sounds really good, though I can see that it freaks a bunch of people out when you say it at first, but all of you, you're enlightened, so you know. It just adds a nice creamy texture to it. It's like a sweet potato pie in a cup and I used to have that before workouts and it was fantastic you'll never be allowed in canada with that sugar free syrup no passports.
Speaker 2:Right now I can't leave anyway you don't even need a passport soon, it's fine this might be more involved than what we're thinking, but something I do when I want a meal that looks prepared but it's not really. Um, I get a frozen thing of butternut squash and then I thaw it and then I get a blender and I put that in the blender with like it's different every time, like chicken broth and then spices. I'll do like nutritional yeast salt what are we doing?
Speaker 2:here. Yes, it can be a soup, but you can also make it into a sauce okay, depending on how much chicken broth you put in.
Speaker 2:And then I make a pot of pasta and then I put the cooked pasta in like a little casserole dish and then I pour the sauce over it and then I put it in the oven with like breadcrumbs on top, and then, if you have leftover sauce, I either put it in the freezer to make soup out of it eventually, or I put it on a potato and make like a baked potato kind of situation, and if you want to add cheese to it, you can I like the sauce thing?
Speaker 3:What I would add to that. The other thing I would put in there is like nutritional yeast. I didn't say that. Did you say that? All right, I missed it.
Speaker 1:I was actually about to mention, like, how much of a hack nutritional yeast is, because you had said that and it just lit up in my mind.
Speaker 2:Oh, and cashews sometimes.
Speaker 3:Oh, cashews is a good one, that's a good one.
Speaker 2:Nutritional yeast, butternut squash, chicken broth.
Speaker 3:If you can really do anything, add herbs and so, and now, with like all the different like pasta options, you're like, oh, if I get gluten intolerant or whatever, then you get the bonza pasta, which is really the only like good chickpea pasta honestly, in my opinion it's still not great, but like it's the best one. Or there's all sorts of different like pasta I just got I just found light pasta right now which is like has like 100 calories and like 15 grams of fiber. Like they're just adding fiber to everything and I'm like totally in on it, I love whatever has anybody here had the brahmi pasta lupini beans is that?
Speaker 1:no, it's like insane fiber, but lupini beans have, like nuts, amount of fiber in them yeah, a lot of fiber, a lot of protein and it tastes every bit as good as regular pasta. I've got like 10 boxes of it anytime it's done.
Speaker 3:I I was like super skeptical. What is it lupini?
Speaker 1:uh, yeah, it's uh called brahmi b-r-a-m-i andI. I've been eating, in terms of pasta, nothing but that, for months now.
Speaker 2:Another lupini pasta is Kaizen. I've never heard of this one, though.
Speaker 3:That's the one I was thinking of.
Speaker 2:It's so impressive how much protein and fiber is in it. That's the.
Speaker 3:Brami, I was thinking of.
Speaker 2:You've got to really warn people, though I feel like so many people don't realize that and then they're like I was having diarrhea, like oh yeah, fiber.
Speaker 1:And then so they're not used to having 50 grams of fiber in a day and suddenly they got a call out of work.
Speaker 3:How do you? Only? Because the average american gets 10 to 15. How do you only get 10 to 15? So, like you wake up like a sugary cereal, like I don't know, like rice krispies or something. I guess you're not getting any there. Um, then like white candy bar, okay, I guess.
Speaker 4:Yeah, white white bread, if you do like a white bread, a white pasta, if you don't eat any fruits and vegetables okay.
Speaker 3:So yeah, if you're on fruits and vegetables out like it's gotta be all just like super, ultra, like raw but refined, yeah, but if it's, it's if you only focus on like refined grains or don't eat any fruits and vegetables. I guess you eat a lot of meat so you also eat a lot of meat. You don't get a lot of meat people also just think fibers fruit, fruits and veggies.
Speaker 2:So they don't think about like fiber sources are whole grains, so like whole wheat, toast, whole wheat pasta, fruit, vegetables, beans, nuts, seeds. You have to like incorporate all those things or else it's hard fruit and vegetables. Some of them don't have a ton.
Speaker 5:You have to like include all you should be eating like cheese.
Speaker 3:A lot of people are eating fast food yeah, I guess not taco bell, because you definitely get that's what people say, like I shit myself when I go to taco bell. I guess because it actually is like the one place that has fiber in it and even two with even two with vegetables to.
Speaker 4:To get a good serving of fiber, you have to eat like a cup of them that's the serving size for vegetables to get like five or six grams of fiber is a cup.
Speaker 5:It's kind of a lot, yeah it's not one half a carrot on the side of the plate no, it's, you know.
Speaker 4:So I think for some of the foods, the serving size, people just aren't eating enough. Um, and then some of the like the high fiber products, people just aren't substituting them yeah, most of their plate is just a steak the size of their head okay let's say, for what about for people?
Speaker 3:who like want nutrients but like can't have fiber, like because I always get that like okay, I need low fiber options because of you know whatever disorder or something like that, which I feel like. I feel like if I was in that situation, I'd probably start juicing, like you take, like you know, the fruits, vegetables, like you actually can remove that, you still get the vitamins, minerals, you still get the antioxidants, that sort of thing.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't. I think, no matter what GI issue you have, you might have to. Everyone needs fiber Like what's an example that you wouldn't need fiber, Like with?
Speaker 4:Crohn's Low residue diets. Like low residue diets exist, yeah, but for short periods of time typically, Not necessarily. If you have Crohn's or colitis, like high fiber diets can not be a thing. Well, for Crohn's or colitis, like high fiber diets can not be a thing.
Speaker 2:Well, for Crohn's and colitis they have. They used to say that, but we now recommend, like the medic, Well, as a hospital, they would be like Mediterranean diet. Um over that. It's just like it's different types of fiber, so we want to get like, rid of the skin, the seeds, so you want more soluble fiber.
Speaker 3:Is it like? Is it the insoluble fiber that's causing more of the issues, because I actually don't like know when it comes to like crones yeah, usually that's what's making people run to the bathroom more, um.
Speaker 2:But even in general you want to pick more like gentler fiber sources, um. So looking at the skins and the seeds are the insoluble part that's going to cause more diarrhea. And then you also want to cook it, because that breaks down the fiber a little bit. It also just depends on individual tolerance. But, like maybe the higher FODMAP fiber foods, they're not going to tolerate as much. But yeah, usually with like colitis or diverticulitis.
Speaker 2:That's what I was about to say it's like a short period of time where you probably aren't going, you're definitely not going to get the daily recommended amount of fiber. But if you're doing it gradually and doing it in small amounts, that's also where the fiber supplements come in handy too because, they're all built off of soluble fiber, which is a little like easier for people, but yeah yeah, I would have like chia seeds, super like that's.
Speaker 3:I just go, yeah, yeah, like that's for me, like it's just so there's. That is like one of the most like fiber one servings what like 11 grams of fiber or something like that, and I feel like most of it is solid. I think most of it's all it has to be solid fiber because it's like all gel, it makes like a huge sticky gel when you put it in water can we just quickly provide a layman's warning to those who may have seen a video suggesting that you should have a hundred grams of chia seeds in a day.
Speaker 1:Has anybody seen this video? I have not I know that shot up a bunch of red flags for everybody here. Yeah, um, they're like well, if you have 100 grams of chia seeds in a day, you'll lose weight. And I was thinking, yeah, because you're gonna plug your system up so bad that you're never gonna eat again.
Speaker 2:That's another thing. Like water.
Speaker 4:Think about how much water yeah, it's just gonna yeah and like, let's talk about blockages. I hate, granted, that's a problem with making a blanket recommendation Everybody needs to do this and then saying you need to move. You need to drink water If you have a bowel condition. Oh my God, don't do this, because it's going to send somebody to the hospital. A bowel condition? Oh my god, don't do this, because it's going to send somebody to the hospital.
Speaker 1:Who should have 100 grams of chia seeds, though that is an excessive amount. I think the scientific term is a fuck-ass amount.
Speaker 4:Liam can do that. He's probably the only person who can, people who have access to free chia seeds where somehow they have a farm.
Speaker 3:I don't know when do you even grow? I don't even know. I they have like a farm. I don't know when do you even grow.
Speaker 2:I don't even know, I don't even do the like. I think the serving size says what Two tablespoons One.
Speaker 3:Yeah, two tablespoons, I always just do one.
Speaker 2:Well, I do a fourth. A cup sometimes with chia seed pudding.
Speaker 3:A fourth, yeah well, I've got a really good tolerance to fiber.
Speaker 2:I think you've got to build your way up to that. I've got a really good tolerance to fiber.
Speaker 3:I think you've got to build your way up to that. Oh for sure, like I've definitely eaten over 100, and I'm fine.
Speaker 4:Like what's it?
Speaker 3:The Royo brands just sent me like their bagels, and each one is 32 grams of fiber. I was like you're going to fucking mess some people up. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's 80 calories, though it's only 80 calories for the bag bagel. That's insane. Yeah right, they're my freezer right now, because I couldn't get to all of them, I was like I'll just fucking throw them in the freezer I had somebody send me a box of the uh, the smart sweets oh I can't do those.
Speaker 5:Well, maybe I can I sat there eating, like, I think, maybe six or seven bags, just one one on one stream. I was doing it on uh while I was streaming.
Speaker 1:But that's only like 400 grams of fiber.
Speaker 3:Whatever Fuck the fiber, it's only like 500 calories. Yeah, because each one depending, they have changed a little bit. They used to have like 20-something grams of fiber and now they're like 11. But if you really want fiber, lily's Gummies, bro, lily's Gummies Each bag is 25. Each bag is 25 grams of fiber, I remember, and 70 calories. I remember looking at that and being like this is a fucking hack right here. Yeah, they're like $4 a bag, so I guess they're kind of expensive, but that's what you're fibering.
Speaker 1:If you want a fun read, go on to like a Reddit thread where people have tried the keto bagels for the first time, where they're amazed that they found bagels that were 90 calories and then found out why fiber the next day?
Speaker 1:yeah, like they, they just they had like something terrible is happening to me right now. I don't know if I need to go to the hospital or I need to be exercised or what, but there's something horrendous going on to my, my body at the moment and it's because it's there, I like at Aldi, and they're 29 grams of fiber, 90 calories. People are not prepared. They see the 90 calories. I'm like cool, I've got bagels again. No, you don't.
Speaker 2:That's why so many people are turned off of fiber, though, cause they like don't learn the sources from real food, and then they go for these supplements, and then they're like I don't tolerate it I'm like a lot of people would tolerate it like that.
Speaker 4:It's hard. Well, smart sweets used to use allulose, oh yeah do they not use anymore?
Speaker 3:no, they changed it um, I thought, they still did no, I think they changed it because allulose is a zero calorie sweetener and allulose is found in certain foods like naturally. I think they changed it because allulose is a zero calorie sweetener and allulose is found in certain foods like naturally, I think like raisins or something.
Speaker 4:Has like a little bit of them, but like it doesn't it act sort of as a fiber as well, like you know, in a way kind of and like I ate one bag and I was in bed with so much pain I I thought I was going to die but, they don't like it. I think they changed it. Um, but yeah, I think they changed it and added more like ISO Malta oligosaccharides instead. Yeah Right.
Speaker 3:Oh, man, speaking of that's the fucking place, man, if you want to like. Uh, I feel so bad for people in like Coloradoado. We've been looking up for a place to like move and we're like, hey, colorado's nice, but I'm like, oh, they don't have aldi, so like it's gotta be out.
Speaker 1:I can't I'm gonna be in colorado within the next year and that's one of the things that's killing me, they took, they, they took out, they took, took out the allulose yeah, it says the isomal isomaltoligosaccharides instead.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's what you said.
Speaker 4:I think they got granted. I don't know this, but I think they got some feedback about the allulose, because there was quite a bit in it and allulose can be a thing.
Speaker 1:Speaking of FODMAP foods, erythritol is another one that's often used in these And's horrendous on me personally, but it's.
Speaker 3:I know it wrecks a bunch of people yeah, people tell me all the time that it messes up their system and like then there was that whole report about like that and like heart attacks or something. There was like a link between that just dumbest study.
Speaker 4:They didn't even measure dietary intake. It was just like no, it was in their blood and, like your body, can make some of it naturally it can make quite a bit of it, especially it can make quite. It can make it especially in disease states because it makes it from the pentose phosphate pathway and the entire population of people they used had like diabetes, heart disease, were old, like the whole group that they studied, had disease risk, and then they were surprised when they had high levels of erythritol.
Speaker 1:Can we just acknowledge for a second that some of these studies are performed on like. We found erythritol in the bloodstream of someone who just got tased and they had a heart attack. It must have been from the erythritol Like. No, it might have been the fact that they were tased.
Speaker 4:Well, and then the second, that there was another study and they're like this causes blood clotting. After we drew a sample, after we fed people erythritol, took a blood sample, put things in it and stirred it up.
Speaker 3:It's like dude well, yeah, that's exactly how your body what I love, though, is like the fucking grifters okay, so the ones that sell all the supplements and shit. I love the moment any study comes out about aspartame and possible negative side effects. They jump all over that shit. It is everywhere. You remember when aspartame became labeled a possible carcinogen? Fucking the world was ending. It was just everywhere. But the moment anything on stevia or even erythritol comes out like oh no, that's just like fake science, like that doesn't matter because it's in my product, so like I, I can't, I can't talk about that shit like this, it's just people tolerate erythritol more typically, more than like sorbitol or xylitol, because it's absorbed?
Speaker 2:yeah, because I believe the sorbitol and mannitol go to the large intestine, which is where like fermentation happens, like that's like FODMAPs, where things are like causing gas.
Speaker 3:But erythritol is mostly absorbed in the small intestine it's like a problem like with the other sugar alcohols, right, like the maltitol and all these things. Like they actually have like what two calories per gram, whereas erythritol, I think, has like 0.1 calorie per gram, because it's just not, you can't, you can't get any real, um, any calories from it. So like I'm assuming that like that, like fermentation or whatever for this, for the other sugar alcohols, because man you look up, man you want to have a fun day, like just look up the reviews of like the sugar-free gummies, gummy bears or whatever, because that's all. Those are all like sugar alcohols, that's all like sorbitol and shit and the people are just smashing those just go right through.
Speaker 4:I think erythritol is um, absorbed in the small intestine, goes into the bloodstream and then aspartame is just broken down yeah, real quick and doesn't even reach your gut. That's why studies show that it doesn't affect your gut microbiome, because it's broken down too fast. But it's broken down into methanol and fucking phenylalanine. Yeah, like some of the other sugar alcohols.
Speaker 2:That's why they give you Like the allulose. It makes sense that goes right through you, but that now they're doing the oligosaccharide, which is like a longer chain, so it's like gonna take a little longer rather than like yeah that's crazy yeah rob, how quickly can you get in moderation branded toilet paper on the market before this episode goes out?
Speaker 1:I think we might have some cross-branding there we go.
Speaker 3:It's poop-approved. We need some kind of tagline on it or something. I don't know.
Speaker 1:It's potty-approved, potty-approved.
Speaker 4:That's pretty good. Hey, I've worn adult diapers. They're pretty comfortable.
Speaker 1:In moderation adult diapers.
Speaker 4:Am I the only one in here who's worn those?
Speaker 5:No, I had one when I was in hospital in the Philippines. I might start.
Speaker 4:They're comfortable. I was really mad that I had to stop wearing those. These are nice.
Speaker 1:I work from home now, so why not?
Speaker 4:Why not? I'm walking to the bathroom. Do you know how many steps that is?
Speaker 3:Man turn it, it's carpet. I totally forgot about that episode. If you haven't watched that, just look up Mom Bathroom, south Park.
Speaker 4:Is it the Dungeons Warcraft? World of Warcraft.
Speaker 3:And he couldn't go to the bathroom. So she just brings out a fucking bedpan Fading him hot pockets, warcraft and they're playing. And he couldn't go to the bathroom.
Speaker 1:So she just brings out a fucking whatever Bedpan, bedpan, yeah, feeding him hot pockets.
Speaker 3:They just become so fat, like they just become all huge. And the acne that's one of the greatest South Park episodes. Holy shit, my fucking.
Speaker 4:South Park shirt.
Speaker 3:I can't even like wash it because it's starting to break down, so I have to like leave it and I don't want to. I don't want to ruin it anymore. And it's like they solely sold it for a little bit. It's like South Park's or it's Cartman's, famous like chili, and it's like made with real tenerman and I'm like this is like the fucking greatest shirt. Yeah, it's got a little finger in the chili.
Speaker 4:It's so good and I'm like here to derail the podcast. By the way, I'm not here for help, I'm just here for distractions.
Speaker 1:There's no way to derail an already derailed podcast. We start this episode off the track crash, usually burning, leaking some kind of toxic fluid.
Speaker 3:We give. We listen, mike. Okay, we have a plan, you have a plan, and so do we, and our plan is to give a little bit of useful information and then just fuck around and because, like, whatever, like life just it's, it's, it's it can be so shitty. So, like you gotta just be able to laugh and like a lot of the shit, like so much I get tagged in is just complete and utter garbage and I'm like am I really gonna take this seriously? Am I really gonna take this seriously? Am I really gonna take someone yelling at me about kale seriously, like get fucked. I just I don't care, I don't. You don't even have a shirt on in a grocery store and you're yelling about me, about vegetables but actually cucumber is a fruit it's got seeds in it.
Speaker 3:it's a fruit. That. That just drove me up a fucking wall when I did like a plant you video and she's like sneaky vegetables and there was like there was yeah, there was zucchini and tomatoes in there and they're like um half of those are actually, it's a berry.
Speaker 1:One thing specifically about these people bothers me a whole lot and it's I don't know if it's if about these people bothers me a whole lot and it's I don't know if it's if it's like just micromanaging or what have you, but it's the types of videos where they go into a store, say, they pick up like a bottle of sugar-free sweet baby rays and and they'll point to it and they'll go like and look at this high fructose corn syrup and here's sodium and here's like whatever, and they're just going down like you know they've got gums or what have you, and they don't talk about like what that might mean or why it's bad, they're just saying like naming naming the ingredient is the bad thing.
Speaker 4:No, they just heard someone say it, so they're just yeah, I can't handle when, like the the rise of the young teenagers doing it, it's like, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1:It's like a 16-year-old who had to get a ride to Walmart to film this video.
Speaker 3:They brought their cutting board, though, with all the food on it.
Speaker 2:It's really bad.
Speaker 4:Well, and then the people in the comments were supporting it, like, oh, this is so great. It's like, no, this is terrifying, it is scary. Like what kind of adult is this person going to become?
Speaker 1:Have you seen the 12 year old kid drinking raw milk?
Speaker 4:I don't want to see that. It's awful. I actually don't want to see that.
Speaker 1:I stitched it and I had, I blurred his face out. I had to blur out cause he had his uh like a school shirt on, so if, like, you could Google it in two minutes you could figure out where he lives. And I just I had to do all this censorship. And in one of the videos you can see some like an adult standing behind him, clearly like they're trying to make him do this or whatever. And it's yeah, this kid's drinking raw milk and eating raw meat. And then, interspersed, he's talking about God and I, interspersed he's talking about god and like, yeah, it's uh like quoting scripture and his eyes are dead and I'm like what is happening here, but that's the stuff that goes like you know, more viral right or whatever.
Speaker 3:It's just like that's the goal.
Speaker 2:Probably is like the shock value of seeing this child I think some people very actively know that what they're saying is so incorrect and they're just doing it for views. And then some people genuinely are just so clueless so it's hard to kind of tell.
Speaker 5:It's pretty much what you got the two camps, the people that are in it for the money and the people that are just stupid.
Speaker 4:Yeah, dr Ziegler, monster the scientist. She did this video on Instagram about the potential for raw milk and bird flu, basically bird flu to mutate and raw milk to be able to spread bird flu, mutate bird flu mutations, and to it to become like a pandemic type pathogen and people to spread it around through raw milk.
Speaker 3:it's terrifying I guess that's kind of the downside of the. Let them drink their raw milk, like yeah, eh, let them drink their raw milk, and then we have fucking bird flu. But then normal people are going to potentially get it because Because people were drinking raw milk and got bird flu and then gave it to them and the same people drinking the raw milk are going to be going to Walmart while they're sick.
Speaker 4:Right, and because of the potential for bird flu to mutate from animal to human and spread through raw milk and if granted, I don't know if that's going to happen, but if it does, I'm going to come for these people.
Speaker 1:Like.
Speaker 3:I'm mad at them. It's very ironic that they're yelling at us about aspartame and artificial colors and all these things and it's like no. Diet Coke will not give me e-coli I've never gotten sick from a diet coke in my life and I never will I've gotten a little gassy right, but that's it.
Speaker 3:Real good burps oh man, I feel like they pick up the ones, though, like the ones that seem to go like more viral. That I see is when they pick up like a product that's healthier quote unquote like a fair life or something, life or something that we think is healthier, then they go oh, it's got the gums, it's got this, it's got that. Because people are like oh, I finally thought I had something that tasted good and was good for me, but then they come in with the like oh, it's got all this shit in it.
Speaker 2:How does this Fair Life protein shake say that it's?
Speaker 3:protein when there's not even protein listed in the ingredients oh my god, oh god, it's chick. It says nothing about protein. Oh shit, that was good I think he took that video down because people were just like it's fucking milk bro no, it's got protein.
Speaker 2:Who are you talking about?
Speaker 3:uh, there was a younger guy that was like he was looking at it and I remember zach cohen like stitched it. That was hilarious and he's just like it says nothing about protein on the ingredients label. But then there was the other guy that you stitched.
Speaker 2:Uh, gabrielle, like that one dude who's constantly yelling about everything saying the same thing yeah, so there's, there's a few of they. It's, it's so fucking good it's just basic nutrition, that is. It's so bad, though, because it's milk's a protein. That's all they need to know. Like that's where whey protein like, or milk has to know but they don't know I know.
Speaker 4:Yeah, milk has protein. Yeah it just we have drifted so far away from people knowing what they're talking about.
Speaker 3:That it's just but like, I feel like you kind of have to make it a little bit. You know, you obviously have to make it a little more complicated. My favorite, one of my favorites, gary Brekka, I talk about, I love, my love interest, he's, he's, it's, it's so fucking good, like I loved. I remember you'll quadruple the glycemic profile. I mean, the difference between a banana that you eat and a banana you put in the blender is what? Oh, the banana one, yes, where he said like, yeah, if you blend a banana, it quadruples the glycemic index, which is not true at all. It does nothing to banana and to uh, fruits that have like seeds, like more seeds in them, like blackberries or whatever. It'll actually lower the glycemic index because you blend up the seeds which create, which uh, give you more access to the fiber in the seeds and will actually lower the glycemic index when you chew the banana, wouldn't, chewing it, do the same thing of course not, mike, you dummy.
Speaker 3:It's blenders way different you can eat a lot.
Speaker 2:You can eat more bananas in a short amount of time. If you blend it up, that would would quadruple the sugar spike, I guess consuming more of it, but it's like.
Speaker 3:But no a banana that you eat and a banana you put in the blender. It's night and day difference, according to Gary Brekka.
Speaker 1:Not that far Fun fact there's actually 10 times more calories in a banana milkshake than there is in a banana. Frightening.
Speaker 4:I think I heard some kind of quote. I don. I heard some kind of quote I don't know who it was from or where I heard it that it wasn't like the correctness of the information delivered, it was like the confidence of the presenter yeah, and gary breck has got the best confidence.
Speaker 3:It's so, yeah, it's like I wish I had the confidence of a mediocre white man like that guy like, but seriously that's exactly why they're called confidence men. Yes, touche oh, the fucking stage presence is so good. I love, I just love watching a fucking grifter in in their, in their habitat you know what I'm saying which is up on stage with a whiteboard and it's fun to watch.
Speaker 4:Like how do you get away with people listening to you after you've told them you inject yourself with your own pee?
Speaker 3:Like how do you keep going after that, After you've told them you inject yourself?
Speaker 4:with your own pee Fucking Dave Asprey. Like how do you keep going after that? But alas, here we are.
Speaker 3:And so like yeah, it's kind of gotten to the point where I just have to make fun of it. People are like, oh, you got to show how it's wrong, Like I don't give a fuck, man, I just don't give a fuck anymore. I'm not going into research about why fucking peanut butter isn't killing you. I'm really not. Like it's fucking peanut butter, Jesus.
Speaker 4:No, I'm just going to make stupid memes for the rest of my life.
Speaker 3:It's more fun that way. My mental health has changed.
Speaker 5:I'm sure you guys will have a lot of material with your new human health. Whatever service guy, yeah.
Speaker 4:It's not funny, rob, it's. I don't, I don't even know what to do.
Speaker 3:okay, here, listen, okay, listen. I've been thinking about this for the past few days because I've been seeing a lot of people like dr is and everybody talking about, uh, the rfk thing and what I see like always in the comments is okay, but americans are sick and something has to be done. And I just want to say I wholeheartedly agree, like I totally agree with them that we should change things. And I feel like that side doesn't think that we think things should change. They think we are like, oh, everything should just remain the same, and we're like, absolutely not. Like we have major issues, you know, lack of exercise, lack of access to, like you know, nutrient dense foods. So don't you think that, like, giving us, giving people more access to these nutrient dense foods, wouldn't that have an overall better impact on our health than getting rid of a single food diet? You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 4:Yeah, it goes back to the food pyramid studies, where 80 of people weren't following them anyway yeah but the funny thing was, is that, like when michelle obama did all of her stuff to like, push, push, exercise and push better nutrition and do things to improve school lunches which she actually did they freaked out and they're like we don't want you to tell us what to eat, and how dare you?
Speaker 3:I don't remember that was a while ago, so I don't really remember it was okay I remember that there was.
Speaker 4:There was so much pushback that like how dare you tell us what to eat? We're just entirely you know.
Speaker 5:Yeah how dare you tell us what to eat, unless it's raw milk?
Speaker 3:then you can tell us what to eat but like there was such big pushback and it's just like do you think rfk's could be able to do anything then, like, if he gets rid of things, you think there's just gonna be so much pushback from that that he won't?
Speaker 1:no, there's no pushback. They love it when he does it here's the thing they've already.
Speaker 4:The thing is is they've already rolled back limits on like pfas and water they've already gotten rid of like I haven't, if you actually yeah, so they already rolled back limits on pfas and water, like the plastic straw thing, like, or paper straws. We're getting rid of paper straws and pulling back the plastic ones, so it's wild forever chemicals, they say so like and like. You know all of the terms that they're getting rid of being able to use in research papers right, like all that bias and women and women.
Speaker 4:Like you can't add women to research papers. Why?
Speaker 1:no, that's thatI. That's why.
Speaker 4:No, I'm totally this is actual.
Speaker 1:I've seen these same things.
Speaker 4:You cannot. The word women is being filtered out in future research papers. I'm not even joking.
Speaker 3:Give us one reason why we should care about women's health.
Speaker 4:I'm not even kidding, it's just like.
Speaker 3:It's scary. Nobody's going to get healthier it's like the whole, like his shit on tiktok that I kept getting tagged in. The RFK thing was we're being bombarded with toxins and we need to get rid of them and it seems, and now they're like rolling back restrictions on PFAS and water right and adding more microplastics to the ocean and like mental health medications.
Speaker 4:He's done something with that like, oh yeah, lower access which is saying people need to be in what camps because of their on an anti-dermatologist they're calling them farms wellness doctors actually test people for adhd instead of just giving it out.
Speaker 2:When people say I can't focus because there's people like me who actually have adhd, like that's so annoying.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 4:So I don't know. I don't know Nobody's going to, I don't know.
Speaker 3:I just don't see any good how in what like I'm trying to play devil's advocate here, like I'm really like trying my hardest to be like okay, well, if they do this, I can't even come up with a single thing.
Speaker 4:And there are also budget cuts to program like Medicaid. How's like, yeah, that's not helping anybody so, okay, how do we help people?
Speaker 3:and what do you think? Like, what do you? What do you how? How like the opposite of the opposite? Okay, what do you think? What, what, what should we be doing?
Speaker 4:adding funding to the programs. They're currently cutting funding on, so the yeah, because the thing is, if you can't fix problems, usually these systemic issues, you have to add funding to them to fix the problem. It's exactly what they don't want to do.
Speaker 5:This really goes back to when we had Taylor Nichols on talking about God damn. Talk about something, something important, something very important. Something just so important, I'm just so, I'm just so damn tired.
Speaker 2:Trump just rolled back our ability to talk about what I think is. People need to stop focusing so much on all like, if you don't want to buy foods with food dye or food with seed oils or whatever that's, you can do that like it's okay. You, okay, you can make your own choices, but just make sure you get enough water, make sure you know what foods have fiber in them, make sure you get enough protein, like it really doesn't need to be that complicated.
Speaker 4:But the thing is is if you can't access them, if you can't afford them what's the point If you don't have a livable wage? If there's not a grocery store in your area, you're still screwed. And the issue with health care is is that people don't have health care or have crappy health care, so they hit the emergency room when something terrible happens and they wait so long that they don't have preventative care.
Speaker 3:Preventative medicine. Thank you, Liam. Preventative medicine.
Speaker 4:I knew that's what you were talking about.
Speaker 3:Thank you, liam, preventative medicine. I knew that's what you were talking about.
Speaker 4:People need to be able to get preventative care, so instead of waiting till their diabetes is terrible.
Speaker 5:They can catch it beforehand and make necessary changes. But yeah, he was talking about the preventative medicine and drugs and stuff and how I don't remember what state it was. I don't care about what state it was, um, how one of your states they lead uh, decriminalized drugs but they put no funding into actually helping the people maybe I don't care and it's just like you need to actually put the effort in, like if you half-ass it, you're not going to get results.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we need so, like and a lot of things. We subsidize things, like you know, corn or whatever that we use uh and a lot uh to make, like I fruit just corn syrup and a lot of ultra processed foods, but, like for other fruits and vegetables, like we don't really do much of anything. So these, they're just more expensive. And so people are like, well, shit, I got a chance. I got a choice between a honey bun that's like 50 cents and, like you know, a bag of apples that's like seven dollars. Uh, you know, I you have very limited money.
Speaker 4:What are you gonna do just grow your own, grow your own apples right in in the place where I haven't had a backyard in like five years has anybody seen this woman?
Speaker 1:I saw a video come across my feed the other day and it was it said come with me as I show you a day of eating while I'm living off grid in the jungle and I'm like who the fuck is this supposed to be for? Who is the niche? Who is's like? Oh finally something for me.
Speaker 3:I've been living in the jungle with no idea what to do. I've just been sitting here praying for help.
Speaker 1:By the way, not a gram of protein in this diet she's like a fruitarian, oh, fruitarian. Yeah, just eating fruit, blending fruit. I don't know where there's an outlet in a tree? No baguettes. Maggots, oh maggots. No baguettes.
Speaker 5:There's no baguettes.
Speaker 4:That's where they get the protein.
Speaker 5:Oh, yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 4:That's where the protein comes from.
Speaker 1:Is the grubs, there are four grams of protein a day.
Speaker 4:Lion King style.
Speaker 1:What's the.
Speaker 5:When I was in the amazon it was we went hand lining for fish and we went bug hunting and fruit hunting, entomology entomology.
Speaker 3:I couldn't think of it. That's the, the eating bugs, that's what. That's the fancy term and I wanted to sound smart. So I feel like in america we just think of it as gross.
Speaker 4:But listen, but listen no, I need some bugs.
Speaker 3:I listen like high protein, man cheap, cheap high protein isn't cricket protein cricket protein powder.
Speaker 4:That's like the only thing now.
Speaker 3:It's like yeah, they make. They have like farms where they get a bunch of crickets and then they just blend those fuckers up to a little powder and you can, you know, make stuff with it and you don't have to be chewing on legs and whatnot. I'd use it. That's all I'm saying, do you?
Speaker 2:have updates. I haven't looked at Snap in a long time, but do you know the changes that they've done with Snap and WIC?
Speaker 3:I don't know. I think, Live Google find out? Please tell me.
Speaker 2:I think they're always changing it and making it harder for people to even get those.
Speaker 4:So then I don't know, yeah I think, I think they it's like you can get beans.
Speaker 3:Those are really cheap, but like meals I don't do they make like restrictions on, I'm sure, like there definitely are restrictions on like what you can buy with I think it's like there's a limit on how many people are in the household too, so if it's a parent with a bunch
Speaker 5:of children.
Speaker 2:They're only going to be getting like a certain amount.
Speaker 3:It's hard, I don't know, I just yeah because I mean, listen, I've been on fucking, uh, public assistance multiple times and I was just spying like whatever. Like you know, you get frozen pizzas and just like whatever was cheap and I could afford.
Speaker 2:I wasn't thinking about fucking nutrition at that point, whatever makes a meal exactly yeah, it's rough man yeah, I don't know, but um, I know he cut funding for snap before.
Speaker 4:I think and I don't know if it's been funding has been cut again yeah but there's potential for it I think, oh, fucking mike's gone.
Speaker 3:See you later, dummy, let's all talk about how much we hate him. Listen, mike is the worst.
Speaker 3:He's like the absolutely bane of life, he's always needing a plan, but he doesn't have a plan always trying to fucking help people while we're out here just trying to make our money. Oh, all right, yeah, I don't know, but what are you, what have you guys been doing lately with your videos, any topics recently like coming up or like stuff? That's you? Are you how you feel like? Are you just past the whole like uh, like debunking stuff? What are you doing now, andy? What are you doing?
Speaker 4:I'm launching a program in march which I've never done before.
Speaker 5:What you're doing, um, it's gonna be about guts and incorporating more fibrous foods and by guts, we're talking about going out hunting, killing a deer gutting it, yes exactly how to remove guts from the animals that live in your backyard excellent yes, so real, fucking esoteric app.
Speaker 3:I mean I'm sure we'll get at least five downloads, yeah no, but so that it's helping to try for people who want to get more like fiber.
Speaker 4:Yeah. So basically more fiber, slightly troubleshooting kind of like bloating, constipation, diarrhea, small-scale gut problems Not if you have like Crohn's colitis, things like that, but small-scale gut problems. Troubleshooting that, learning about how you can incorporate more fiber into your diet and a little bit of debunking kind of gut health myths. 12-week program we're launching that in march that's what's it? I've never done anything before um do you not have a title?
Speaker 4:it can be called the the well guts workshop. So we're just ironing that out right now. So, yeah, I've never done anything like that before, so I figured it was time to like do something with my social media, because I've just been kind of I've just been kind of existing for like four, three, almost four years and it's like, okay, it's fine time to do something and I get it because I still don't do anything with my social media yeah, and you know, and I kind of pulled my pulled some of my followers and a lot of people are like we need to eat more fiber and we don't know how.
Speaker 4:So it's like, all right, let's work with that yeah, I get that's a tough.
Speaker 3:Like that is a tough one too. Is it best just to take someone through a day and just be like okay, breakfast, lunch, dinner here are things that you can consume, fucking like jesus christ, all right, whatever, go ahead, andy. Sorry, this podcast just got so much worse yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 4:It's people aren't a. In my experience, it's easiest to say what do you normally eat during the day, what do you like, and here are a few easy substitutions you can make without overhauling your entire day I like this.
Speaker 3:Okay, andy, I wake up, I have cereal. What do I do? I only eat cereal you find.
Speaker 2:You find a higher fiber cereal that's comparative taste wise to the one that you're already eating so many weeds or, or you think about what fiber, so you keep the cereal you have and you think about, or you find something you can add on top.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, I only like reese's puffs. That's reese's puffs. That's my only cereal I like. What do I do? Find something, add something to it are you in a fucking echo chamber? What are you talking about?
Speaker 4:or if you don't want to add something to reese's puffs like a little snack or something you can add on the side. Or if you don't want to add something to Reese's Puffs like a little snack or something you can add on the side, like a cup of berries or a cup of you know frozen mixed berries.
Speaker 3:I like banana. Can I throw banana in there?
Speaker 4:Yeah, absolutely I like that, but banana isn't quite right. Just don't blend it.
Speaker 3:Don't blend it. Yeah, I think banana. What three, four grams of fiber in a banana or something? Yeah, not too much, but still like, hey, that's something whatever.
Speaker 4:It's something, especially if someone's not used to a higher fiber diet. Starting slow is the best way to oh you know what you could do.
Speaker 3:Have you ever seen? Um, they sell like pure P Y U R E and they sell chocolate syrup and, um, uh, caramel syrup these things are kind of cool and so they use tapioca fiber, I think, and they have like seven or eight grams of fiber in the like a serving or something like that. So, like I'll add that to like a chocolate milk or milk or you could chop up one of these and put it on your cereal what is that?
Speaker 4:what's that?
Speaker 5:a poop chocolate I call it chocolate.
Speaker 4:They market themselves like protein, not sugar. But two of these has eight grams of fiber.
Speaker 3:Okay Dang.
Speaker 4:I love that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know I used to do like the fiber one bars. I would put that on top of like ice cream or something. Yeah, I would just add that, so I get like some fiber in that way.
Speaker 2:I think there's some staples of fiber that you can buy too. Like if you buy a bag of chia seeds, you don't need to have two tablespoons every single day, you just need, like, just add one. Just think about everything different source of fiber. So you buy frozen maybe edamame beans are really cheap. You can just get a bunch of beans and you can add beans to any like salad or any like wrap or anything. And then there's all those tortillasillas like we talked about like the mission.
Speaker 3:Tortillas or nuts are a good option, just having okay, like, what about lunch? All right, uh, gaps, gaps. What like lunchtime? What? What are we doing for like fiber at lunchtime?
Speaker 2:give me something okay, what do you eat for lunch?
Speaker 3:uh shit, I like, uh, I don't. I usually just uh, fucking snack just grab random things. What can I do? That's quick and will give me fiber.
Speaker 2:It doesn't take a long time okay, you can get one of those mission tortillas that have fiber in them. There's the protein ones that have fiber in them, then there's, like the plant ones, a lot of fiber. You could get two of those and make a quesadilla so you put those together with like cheese and chicken and beans, so you're getting even more fiber and more protein you could do.
Speaker 2:You could just make some like a rice kind of bowl, like a rice and veggie bowl, where you add, add rice, add like rotisserie chicken, add different vegetables that you already had made. I mean, that's like I'm trying to think of things that you could get a can of like vegetables or frozen veggies and add those like I say for what I've been doing recently uh, mostly for lunch is a peanut butter jelly sandwich.
Speaker 3:I get whole wheat bread. Each slice has like four grams of fiber or something like that, and so like it's like a. And then I do peanut butter and that also has like a few grams of fiber, so I'm already getting, like you know, at least 10 to 15, and then I have like a piece of fruit with it on the side or whatever, and boom I was gonna say greek yogurt and fruit on the side, so you can get more protein fucking greek yogurt with fruit.
Speaker 3:Like I, it's so good. It's so if you throw some honey on there or you, just my favorite artificial sweeteners, any like. As long as it's not stevia, I don't like that, but like any of the other ones, uh, like sucralose, my fucking jam. Um, we have two mice now. This is all jesus is multiplying my mike's plan.
Speaker 1:I'm finally revealing it today.
Speaker 3:It's to multiply so that I am louder than all the grifters I thought it was just to fuck up.
Speaker 2:There was a video that I stitched yesterday where this girl was like don't eat yogurt and fruit together. The logic was oh my gosh.
Speaker 3:Enzymes or something Probably bad hormones.
Speaker 2:Well, she was talking about, like the cooling and the temperatures of everything.
Speaker 3:Oh no, not the temperatures. What will our fucking body ever do with?
Speaker 2:that One's cold, one's hot and blah, blah you can't mix them together literally no logic. How, like I don't think she understands that we have multiple like types of enzymes that digest, do different things. Yeah, like we have different. Do you remember the ice water? Don't drink ice.
Speaker 3:All of them don't drink ice water because it like slows down your metabolism or something I don't remember, but it was just like it messed with your digestion.
Speaker 1:Don't drink yeah, it's like your stomach acid won't release because you're too cold and you need warm according to people with supplements to sell, our bodies are the most fragile things that have ever touched the planet nothing everything breaks your metabolism and everything in your body is a light switch.
Speaker 3:It needs to be reset oh man, I gotta play this like video for you. I've been thinking about what to do and I'm not sure, like, exactly which way to take it, so I'm just gonna play it.
Speaker 6:You guys listen, let me know three superfoods I'm making sure my little girl gets every single day, and you should too, if you have kids. Number one would be Moringa. Moringa is one of the most powerful superfoods on the planet.
Speaker 5:It's a superhero multivitamin.
Speaker 6:It's packed with minerals, nutrients, aminos all the important building blocks of life. Loaded with antioxidants. Moringa also helps you detox. It gets rid of the bad stuff in the body so that these little beings can grow up okay, so that was the first one, so there's, there's more.
Speaker 3:But like okay, I kind of feel like giving a small child like a supplement. That really is a supplement industry not really super regulated very well, maybe that's not the greatest idea, like I always find it ironic that these people are like don't eat these food dyes or whatever that has or whatever it has in it, but like take this untested supplement is I bought research chemicals online, child.
Speaker 4:I would like you to to use them and become strong and the other thing too, is a lot of times those supplements have dosages that are meant for adults right and they are not like your child is not a mini adult and they're giving their kids these supplements that are meant for adults and it's like dude no and think about the sourcing, like who, where the hell do you go get moringa okay?
Speaker 2:you go on amazon and where the hell are they getting it from, because anyone can put anything anywhere it could have heavy metals in it, it could have.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're always talking about heavy metals in, like you know, baby food or whatever, but like in supplements, this shit's not really regulated at all well, moringa is a vegetable.
Speaker 4:If you want to eat it, eat it like a vegetable, but don't put it in a supplement that has especially some of these things have proprietary, blends, yeah, which which, let me, let me count a counterpoint.
Speaker 3:Andy, it helps your body get rid of the bad stuff.
Speaker 2:He told me that so I don't want the vegetables especially.
Speaker 4:That's not good that's the bad stuff, yeah, which we have no idea what it is well.
Speaker 2:You could just support your liver and that's your natural detoxification by eating different fruits and vegetables and getting variety in your diet but can I support it by getting an untested supplement?
Speaker 4:but you make no money from that gate yeah, yeah, okay, let me see my favorite part is all these guys always push alcohol on top of this.
Speaker 3:It's kind of it's kind of ironic I want to see what the other ones are, though hold on it keeps your tummy happy and working well number two would be beets.
Speaker 6:Beets are like a secret weapon. They have lots of vitamins, minerals and also are loaded with nitrates. So talk about nitric oxide. It improves blood flow, helps your muscles, gives you more energy, increases more of a vo2 max or oxygen in the body, which is great for kiddos, their growing body and their body's needs number so like I mean, he's bright but he doesn't know why he's right beats are great.
Speaker 3:I love beat, like listen, love beats. I think they're very underrated. Yeah, I know they taste, taste earthy, which a lot of people don't really like, but personally I'm a big beat fan, I I think they're great. At least it's a food and, you know, not a supplement that's good.
Speaker 5:What I've learned from this is that apparently, giving my child beats will turn them into a super athlete you've got to increase their vo2 max.
Speaker 3:It'll at least do that yeah, that was interesting.
Speaker 2:Take it's fine, it's not like he's wrong.
Speaker 3:I feel like I mean that one I'm kind of like all right beats good.
Speaker 4:I hate when they play on like the sports parents who want their kids to be like super athletes. It's like the market is there for. Like the parents who are like my kid needs to be this.
Speaker 3:It's like no I want my kid to be jordan. What do I do?
Speaker 2:give them beats sounds good I can't imagine being a parent and being on social media, to be honest, like if you don't have a nutrition education. That has to be so stressful and make you feel so shitty.
Speaker 5:It's also child abuse, because they're just using their child to sell product.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I want to see the last one.
Speaker 1:Figuring it out for me was hard enough. When I was at my heaviest, trying to figure out what to eat was super hard.
Speaker 3:This is far before all these grifters were so prominent and kids are so picky oh you have no idea yeah, I mean my daughter's luckily only like one and a half right now, so she'll eat most things like I don't have to reach the beige phase, exactly.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the beige phase is coming.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's coming so right now I'm just like, yep, I'll put a bunch of things on a plate and you just kind of pick whatever and it'll work. But we'll see how it goes in the future. I'm sure it'll be more interesting. All right, I want to see the last one hold on three lemons, lemons with vitamin c antioxidants and they help with phase two liver detoxification phase two how many phases are there toxins and chemicals.
Speaker 6:So make sure your little ones are healthy. Moringa, beets and lemons, which is why I actually added these to or, again, if I easy greens, it's oh, there it is foods that's handcrafted, glyphosate residue free, organic, for their little bodies and all of their needs so take my supplement or good luck getting your kid to eat a lemon.
Speaker 3:Well, that's why you put it in the supplement, Andy.
Speaker 2:So they just mix it into their juice. You want to know what's better for liver detoxification? Cruciferous vegetables, brussels sprouts, broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage. There's so many things that Fruits and vegetables.
Speaker 3:Beets are a good one, but no supplements are easier If I had many things that like fruits and vegetables.
Speaker 4:beets are a good one, but like no supplements easier if I had to pick three foods for a child to eat lemon yeah, what moringa would not be the top two I would be like try to get something to them to eat, something with a color yes, that's what I say say like can you get the color?
Speaker 2:a protein source that they like A color and the thing is that kids' protein needs aren't even very high.
Speaker 4:Cheese works, yogurt works Like. My kid won't eat meat unless it's shaped like a dinosaur. Yeah, so we do cheese and yogurt and milk Fine.
Speaker 5:But, there's like dinosaur, you buy your face-sized steak and you take a dinosaur cookie cutter and you cut a little dinosaur shape and then you eat the rest while the kid eats the dinosaur steak right, my, my t-rex steak tomahawk.
Speaker 3:It is about all the time the protein has infiltrated like the kids genre. Now, like all the there's like these kids products, they're like high protein. I'm like does it? Doesn't need that much protein like I know't know, I don't feel like they need this protein bar.
Speaker 4:No, no, they don't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, such a misconception yeah, would be a good one yeah, thanks I'd like you can find them I'd love um.
Speaker 3:Recently I've been seeing it and seeing seeing a lot of like the uh carnivore crowd being like uh, uh. Breast milk is filled with cholesterol, so we should. Cholesterol is good, so we should be consuming it, and I'm like, but being like, breast milk is filled with cholesterol, so we should.
Speaker 3:Cholesterol is good, so we should be consuming it and I'm like but isn't breast milk like 50% sugar, like isn't like half of breast milk sugar? But we're just, we're leaving that part out. No, okay, when that part's not important. Just the cholesterol got it, okay, no problem, I don't know but I think we should find out no carnivore agrees on anything either.
Speaker 2:They're all different. There's no logic behind it because everyone's doing something different. Oh man.
Speaker 1:Carnivore, like any religion, is going to have its different sects that go out Like it's. They all kind of spawn from the same couple of books and then they just all have their own takes on it.
Speaker 5:I absolutely love the fact that Paul Saladino is no longer carnivore and now all the carnivores don't have that one guy that they can look up to and quote and be like this guy, this guy here.
Speaker 2:He's so healthy. They still say it. They're like paul said this.
Speaker 4:I'm like no, he didn't know what's, the other one who lives in washington, who's kind of scares me and says really mean things about vegan people I don't know, I don't know who was the who was the orthopedic surgeon oh um oh, I know there was the, the, the fertility doctor.
Speaker 3:He was all talking carnivore, but I don't know.
Speaker 5:There's another one I know who you're talking about, but I can't think of his name either yeah, me either.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there's another one who?
Speaker 2:yeah, my friend messaged me the other day and was like someone's like her friend's brain doctor recommended this guy. It's screaming red flags, what do you think about him? And it was Paul Saladino's page and I was like that's so great. I was like he doesn't even agree with what he said. He's changed his mind on everything, but again he's failed four diets so far.
Speaker 1:He didn't do well on the carnivore diet just like religion, the followers don't really care what the the person in charge says. You know, it's, it's. They're just like well, we're going to interpret this, however, we'd like to interpret it to push our own agenda, whatever it is that we're trying to go with.
Speaker 5:At which point, it becomes a cult. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And we're going to trust that other people don't know enough about this to check us.
Speaker 2:And if they have more followers, they're more credible.
Speaker 3:The following account is big.
Speaker 1:It is so easy to get a following. At my current rate of growth, I'll have 300,000 followers on Instagram here shortly, within the next month or so. I've got 115 on TikTok. I am just a guy. I have zero credentials and I make that very clear anytime I can. I'm well-educated, but I keep my mouth shut on stuff I'm not supposed to be talking about. It is so easy to get a following.
Speaker 2:I was just talking to someone who she wanted advice because she's like a health coach and a nutritionist, and she was like I don't know if I can make a video explaining like nutrition if I'm not a dietitian. I was like you can do whatever you want. Like no one cares as long as you know what you're talking about. Like no one credible is going to come like after you. Like just go Like, trust me, we probably need more of you anyway. Like people are people. You can do whatever you want. You can start your own podcast, you can start your own page. You can literally do whatever you want.
Speaker 1:I confer with professionals constantly. I'm talking with my doctor friends, my dietician friends and I even I'm still not even giving any like information out. I'm just like, does this sound good enough? This is like any time I want to hit people with some information, I'll run it by somebody who knows what they're doing, because I'm in this situation where it's like people are going to listen to me anyway, so I may as well give them something good. It sucks that it has to be this way.
Speaker 1:I just stick to the basics fiber, protein, dick joke.
Speaker 3:See you later. And then that's, it works. It's a fucking try, it works. Formula go ahead.
Speaker 1:Andy, it's all that most people need.
Speaker 4:Expertise, though, has died. Like I said before, it's how much charisma you have and how good of a salesperson you have.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 4:And I'm not.
Speaker 3:I feel like I got decent charisma. Like, listen, I've got, I've got like 300, I got 3 million followers or something like that. And so I've got like 300, I got 3 million followers or something like that. And so I'm just, I want to take that charisma. I know it's fucking wild, I don't know why people follow me, it doesn't make any sense, but I will happily accept it and fucking like I'm like, okay, well, let me try and use it for good. Then like let me try and get people to realize oh nope, just fucking. You know, this is just another one. Oh man, I'm trying to do I did, I started a rate the grifter series and I gotta get back to that. I did one good one, but I need to do dr burke, I'm looking forward to I'm oh, my god is a good one.
Speaker 3:Do you know dr burke gabbs?
Speaker 5:I don't know look up, just look up he's a chiropractor
Speaker 3:yeah yeah, I've been getting tagged a lot of videos lately.
Speaker 3:My favorite Scientologist yes, he's the Scientologist yes uh, but I was gonna give him points for being a Scientologist. Yes, he's the Scientologist, but I was going to give him points for being a Scientologist but not talking about Scientology, because even for the grifting community, scientology is kind of out there, so even for them I think they would reel back if they knew. So I got to give him points for being a chiropractor but not saying he's a chiropractor anywhere. If you go to his page, it's all just doctor. It doesn't say anything about chiropractic medicine. So gotta give him points for that. I gotta give him points for not talking about scientology and he's done videos with bobby, so obviously I have to give him points for that like and my favorite, though, is he does what would happen if you took turmeric every day, or whatever and then lists all these great things and then sells turmeric supplements and stuff like that so I think, think that's Dr.
Speaker 3:B-E-R-G. I don't think there's an E at the end.
Speaker 1:Oh, I hate him so much. I don't know why that name just went right past my head when you said it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I need to do him next on a Rate, the Grifter, that would be a good one, I guess, his record will be there eventually.
Speaker 2:He wears orange glasses. I've corrected him a few times.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's Asprey, that's the inject his own urine.
Speaker 4:He's the pee guy.
Speaker 3:He's the pee guy. He's the pee guy, he's also the buttered coffee guy.
Speaker 5:I think he sells. Burt Berg is like a less impressive Brecca.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 5:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Burt doesn't have the charisma of, like some of these other guys. I think that's what's kind of holding him back, so I think I have to take a few points off for that. But like, still A tier. Like Berg is still A tier grifter.
Speaker 1:I've got a quick question.
Speaker 3:Are you both dietitians? Six or seven, depending on where I measure from. What were you saying, Mike?
Speaker 1:Last time we asked this question I don't know if we had any dietitians in the room with us I forget who was with us last time we said this, but we had played a quick game of like what do you think the next health grift is going to be the 2025 health grift?
Speaker 4:Hormones. That's a good one. It's hormones.
Speaker 1:It's hormones.
Speaker 4:It's already begun, it's hormones.
Speaker 3:Just very vague hormones, nothing specific or anything specific.
Speaker 4:No, it's all hormones.
Speaker 6:Just hormones.
Speaker 4:Hormone health. Yeah, the hormone health or the hormone health coaches have already started popping up. It's hormones.
Speaker 3:Do you think gut health, like the stuff about that, is going down a little bit and more just hormones? Okay, it's hormones Are we going to be selling?
Speaker 4:sex. No, I called gut health the last time.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 4:And now it's hormones, because the hormone health coaches have slowly started to emerge.
Speaker 3:Is it going to be mostly sup? So, like I'm guessing, my guess would be like we're going to do things to balance your hormones and then they're going to give a bunch of like generic shit like sleep, exercise, eat well, and then take this.
Speaker 4:It's supplements and take my program or like they'll make up a diet or like a program and a supplement, but the people are coming out of the woodwork because you can see it now Like Beachbody has a new program.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 4:Um. Is it like a hormone?
Speaker 3:balancing thing Okay.
Speaker 4:But they're not telling you which hormones it is and it's a same old, like they repackaged their same old diet. They give you a list of supplements and now it's to balance your hormones and then they just target, like my aged women, like the 40 somethings.
Speaker 3:That's good.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no, it's hormones.
Speaker 2:People talk about hormones as like a simple thing, like, oh, like high cortisol, low core hormones aren't like up and down, they're like always going different ways, so it's so hard.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and one they're not going to tell you which one and your cortisol fluctuates throughout the day, your ghrelin fluctuates throughout the day, your blood sugar fluctuates throughout the day and pathologizing something that's not like a pathological problem is a huge problem. But yeah, I think it's. I think it's hormones, just because you start seeing people changing their bios and making up titles that aren't real Hormone specialists. The hormone health coaches and the hormone specialists that don't have. People are specials.
Speaker 1:Professional expert.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they're popping up.
Speaker 3:I think, with the whole RFK things it's going to be, I think we're going to get more like we're bombarded with toxins Not talking about specific ones, I think we're just going to see that more Like there's toxins out there and you have to do these things and take this. I think we're going to see more of that.
Speaker 4:I feel like I think also, too, you're going to see more of that. I feel like I think also, too, you're going to see more healthcare professionals, like actual people with credentials, start changing their tune which I've already seen to align with their message, because it's easier to follow the crowd than to do the right thing. I think I made a video on it because it's going to be more popular to align with RFK and it's going to get more views and it's going to get more traction and align with rfk and it's going to get more views and it's going to get more traction and attention to align with what he's saying and you'll kind of so are we going to see an increase in the amount of people that have brain worms?
Speaker 4:I mean, they're probably breeding them somewhere. But yeah, you're going to see a lot more people starting to change their tune.
Speaker 2:That's what I think change your Not necessarily change your baseline of things, but I think it's good to not be closed-minded and learn new things and share them to an extent. But I don't think changing your entire philosophy on different health conditions is a very bright thing to do. But I think, yeah, that that's scary.
Speaker 4:You've seen people changing their bios well changing their messaging, like people being like oh, I'm starting to talk about all of these harmful ingredients and ignoring social determinants of health yeah, yeah, it sells more. Definitely sells more, it does well, it's easier to do what's easy than what's.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:I just you can go over under.
Speaker 3:Oh sorry, Go ahead. Go ahead, Michael.
Speaker 1:I'm just going to say how long do you think I could get away with telling people to be mindful of their midichlorian levels Midichlorian, I was really confident about it, didn't break no wink at the camera.
Speaker 3:I think no wink at the camera. I think that one's a little too like a well known. I think star war is very popular. I think you need to pick something a little bit more esoteric, just like uh, go into like a video game or something like that lesser known and pick one of their diseases or something in that in that game yeah, and that, like a few people will know, and they'll call it out and I'll just say, well, oh, you're just believing the mainstream media.
Speaker 1:That's what you're doing right now.
Speaker 3:You don't understand.
Speaker 1:this is a real problem, that's ultimately, what's happening with this hormone thing? The people that are talking about hormones couldn't name three of them, nor what they do Just hormones, hormones are so hard, they're so complex.
Speaker 2:It is I've wanted to get into and I've learned about about it and I've worked with people with hormones but like even just like gut health. That area is so complex, like fuck that just like go from being like learning about gi health to I know everything about hormones, like it's so much to know and they come from different organs.
Speaker 1:It's not even just from like one specific source.
Speaker 3:It's just the dunning kruger effect, like the people who actually are experts in it are like we don't fucking know. But these people who read a blog, they think they know everything.
Speaker 4:Well, and like, vitamin D is a hormone, and how many target organs in your body does it have? Like five, eight, ten, and they don't even know what it does, all of it and yet. So, like good luck, have fun.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, but you only need to know a tiny bit more than the next person to be an expert, right?
Speaker 2:I really just want people to. No matter what you have going on if it's with your hormones or your gut, or you're trying to lose weight or whatever it's like you could take all the supplements. But if you're sleeping like crap, you don't eat enough fiber, you're not eating enough protein, you you're not moving your body, you're probably still gonna feel like crap. Yeah it's. You can't just like put band-aids on things with supplements not a single one of them ever says move more well, that's kind of the issue that's kind of like.
Speaker 4:I feel like the issue with, like our systemic health is like they're gonna put band-aids on gaping wounds, banning red three. We don't have health care, we're gonna take out this chemical and food. Nobody can afford to buy food, you know.
Speaker 5:It's like, yeah, band-aids, you know it feels like everybody thinks that you guys banned red 40 when you banned red three. Like everybody's talking about it as if you banned red 40 and it's funny because canada, we use less red 40 than you do, but we actually use a fair amount of red 3 and yeah you, you think okay, well, if red 3 was such a problem, shouldn't canada have worse health than you guys, shouldn't? Our cancer rates be higher than you guys. Shouldn't our cancer rates be higher than you guys?
Speaker 2:Yeah, red, usually like are three. They have evidence on cancer contributing factors, right?
Speaker 4:Red three no only in male rats. It's super doses that are already prone to thyroid cancer.
Speaker 1:But by a show of hands here, cause I just want to bust a myth really quick. How many of us love food dyes? Raise your hand.
Speaker 4:I'm apathetic, I don't care. Yeah, I agree, I like my food looking pretty.
Speaker 1:There's this idea that, because we're saying it's not going to kill you, that we're promoting it. We think, well, we should be putting food dyes in everything. It would not bother me even slightly if there was not food dyes in everything now I would be, it would not bother me even slightly if there was not food dyes anymore. It's in fact I would prefer it, but it's like it's also not going to give you super cancer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, unless you take like 10 vials of it a day I think people need to understand that like, just because it could cause something doesn't mean we have enough research for it to like consume your mind to the point where you're stressed about it all the time and I like don't want to tell people like, oh, your child isn't. Like there's a lot of like studies on, like the red 40. And I'm not going to like tell a parent like they didn't see a difference in when they're like in their child when they took it out. But it doesn't mean like we have to there's just so many other things to and like we have to, there's just so many other things to work on.
Speaker 4:First, yes, exactly Like let's focus on the big. It's like a pyramid Focus on the really big problems and then, once that's covered, maybe we can focus on the minutia. But we're like we don't have the luxury of nitpicking.
Speaker 3:Now ask me raise your hand, if you like seed oils.
Speaker 2:I don't know how I'm going to do it. So now, raise your hand if you like seed oils. I don't know how I'm going to do it. What did you say? Raise your hand if you like seed oils.
Speaker 3:Oh, my god, I got my sunflower oil in. Later I'll probably go with some like rapeseed or you know sesame is really good. Sesame is such an underrated seed oil.
Speaker 6:What's your most underrated seed oil.
Speaker 2:Sesame.
Speaker 3:What did you say gab?
Speaker 2:tahini. People would never call tahini a seed oil, but it is isn't tahini made from sesame yeah, yeah, so yeah, we're all saying yeah.
Speaker 3:So we're all saying sesame. Is everybody anybody else saying any under any underrated seed oil besides sesame?
Speaker 4:no, yeah, tahini sesame seeds, and then the people like I.
Speaker 2:Have an example like the hyaluronic acid sunflower oil. Like Simple Mills they have sunflower oils but they're okay eating like that because it's from like a healthier brand.
Speaker 4:Health washing. It's so messed up.
Speaker 1:One of my favorite questions to ask people that get all angry about canola oil. I'll simply respond. What plant does canola oil come from?
Speaker 3:the canola plant.
Speaker 1:The canola plant but that's the thing it's like. It sounds fake, but it's. It sounds so fake that they will name anything else other than the canola plant. Well, it's actually like industrial runoff from.
Speaker 4:No, it's not, it's you're just angry about something you don't understand or that they don't use that in europe, and it's like oh, they use plenty oh snap, rapeseed oil is a thing, right, yeah maybe we should.
Speaker 3:Maybe we should retake the name. Maybe that's the problem. It's called canola. Let's start calling it rapeseed again, rapeseed oil, and maybe people will hop on board I just oh god about like the.
Speaker 2:Well, no one reads one. But if you isolate oils it's so hard to say that it's the oil doing something and like, if you have, like, high cholesterol, maybe a bunch of coconut oil probably isn't very good for you because it's higher in saturated fat than like canola oil. It's. Every oil has so many different components.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, Gab, you're totally off base. Olive oil is fantastic, so is avocado, and then all seed oils are trash, fucking industrial runoff that's used as engine lubricant.
Speaker 2:It's very simple, that's cheap. Yeah, haven't you been to a mechanics workshop as engine?
Speaker 4:lubricant. It's very simple, they're just cheap.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they put a bunch of packages.
Speaker 4:Haven't you been to a mechanics workshop? They're just dumping canola oil in all over your car.
Speaker 5:Oh yeah, I've got to do an oil change on my truck. I've been loading up the canola oil in the garage.
Speaker 3:They never give me the sesame oil. It pisses me off. There's always rapeseed. Jesus, my car doesn't like rapeseed. I've told them this many times.
Speaker 1:You got to pay more for that. That's a premium item.
Speaker 2:It's sad because there's brands too. There's these chips. I forget what the brand is, but they're probably good On the front. They go no seed oils. It's just embarrassing for brands and companies to play along with things without looking at the actual research on it.
Speaker 4:It's just so interesting to me, but it's all marketing. It's marketing. It's just playing to an audience and you can't blame them for doing it. Oh yeah, no, make some money it works.
Speaker 1:Might I issue an olive branch because I can't issue a sesame branch here. Some people won't be listening but an olive branch To those who have somehow gotten to this point hearing us talk about things you don't believe in, who may be on the quote, unquote other side, though there is no other side. We're all on one side here. If you have been indoctrinated into this cult of misinformation because it's let's call it what it is it's a cult we're not going to criticize you if you just say that you were misled. You don't even have to say you were wrong or that it's God I was so dumb.
Speaker 1:These people are very persuasive and they say incorrect things kindly, which is why I'm always pushing for us to tell the truth kindly, because if we tell it rudely, someone will tell them a lie kindly and take them. So if you have been misled, it understand that. You are welcome here. You can talk with. You can always reach out to me. I always put this out cause I would love for people from the other side to reach out to me so we can talk. I'm like, I'm not going to judge you, I'm not going to say anything about it I would love for some of those creators to come on here to talk.
Speaker 1:I'm not even talking about just creators, but like people yeah creators would be great, but they usually have a financial interest in staying where they are.
Speaker 1:But again if they're willing to change too. They can rebrand hell. Uh, dr sarah ballentine's one of them. You know she rebranded and she's. She's got a much better message now that she used to. Um, it's, uh, it's one I could think of right now, but it's, yeah it just you're allowed to say the on an internet where it's getting more and more dangerous to say you were wrong about something. Just say that you were misled, and all of us will take you in.
Speaker 2:I think it also is like not even people that are educating, but like I'm seeing patients every day and like they'll be like well, I eat really healthy. Like I don't eat seed oils, I don't eat this, this and this, and like I'm never going to judge them. Because it's so confusing online and the misinformation. It's like you don't know who to trust at all, but people are really willing to listen to you, explain it and hear your perspective and they're like, oh, that makes more sense. It's just because they've never been explained what things actually mean to its core. And then, when they hear it, it's like, yeah, you can keep avoiding seed oils if you want to keep avoiding them, but just know that you don't need to completely freak out if you see a seed oil in something you have in your pantry and it's like people are more open-minded to it. It's just like online, that's people aren't, because it's like one-sided so well, a lot of smart people get duped.
Speaker 4:do you know what I mean? Yeah, like, yeah, I was a. I've been a dietitian for like 14 years and for a very long time when I was a dietitian, I was in like the clean eating cult and then it made me like binge on weekends but, like a lot of people, and I thought low carb diets were the best kind of diets when I was a baby dietitian Cause we believe a lot of stupid things when we're baby believe a lot of stupid things when we're baby dietitians.
Speaker 1:but I it took time to get smarter but, yeah, smart people believe dumb things sometimes a controversial opinion here is that flat earthers a bunch of them are pretty damn smart. They've got like these. I'm not saying their result is smart, but they put a lot of thought into these theories to make them make sense that a lot of us would would not arrive at. They have to really like be thoughtful about this to make it make sense, and that requires a brain that could be rewired for good you know there's a strategy yeah, they've come up with insane theories that make no sense, but in their world, whereas I mean they're basically writing fiction.
Speaker 1:It's just like like. George Lucas is very smart, he came up with what is essentially a lie, but we all recognize that as a movie.
Speaker 2:And you think about like the carnivore and just anyone that has this big philosophy on a certain way of eating. It's not that they're right, it's that anyone that follows that diet, for instance, is focusing on eating whole foods and getting the like processed, ultra processed foods out. So it's like, yeah, you feel better. There's so many like people are really smart and they understand how people's brains work, and a lot of it's like not necessarily placebo, but some of it's placebo. And then some of it's like you're making changes that are going to make you feel better, no matter what. It's not because of what they said is like the way to do it, it's just like it helps you get there faster.
Speaker 4:Celery juice yeah, it's like celery juice. That sounds terrible, like the people who start drinking celery juice are like, oh my gosh, I feel so much better. And it's like, bro, it's not the celery juice, it's maybe that you're hydrated in the morning and maybe that you feel hydrated, you did a workout or you ate a better breakfast and it's like like the keystone habit problem right and it's like no, it's not the celery juice, it's the other habits that you built. Potentially because of the celery juice that you feel better.
Speaker 2:Because you're taking care of yourself, potentially because of the celery juice that you feel better because you're taking care of yourself.
Speaker 3:I think, all right, I think you're. I got an idea. We're playing game, all right. So, uh, because we're like an hour and a half or so, we all each take a turn and we and we tell people something to like focus on in their life or to incorporate more into their life to make them healthier. It could be anything, it doesn't matter. It could be a food, it could be an activity, it could be anything, just something that's like hey, this, add this to your life, incorporate this and it will be a better thing. Okay, all right, we'll start with. All right, we're, we're all in like video thing here.
Speaker 1:So, mike, you start, then I'll go, then andy, then gabe I don't want to follow the smart people, so it's good that I start, you start. You can't say the same thing.
Speaker 3:that person, before you said anybody else said you have to say something new each time.
Speaker 1:So my first thing is going to be just put your shoes on. I'm not even telling you to go outside, I'm not telling you what it is that you're going to do once you put your shoes on, but one of the barriers of getting outside, getting active, doing something, is simply it's not even that you don't want to go outside is that you don't want to put your shoes on. When you put your shoes on, your mind's going to be in a different place. You're going to already have that obstacle out of the way. I'm always wearing clothes that I could very easily go take a walk in, because it removes that barrier. So put your shoes on if you feel like you're stuck easy for you to say not in canada yeah
Speaker 4:it was negative 13 here this morning well, speaking of that, my thing negative 30.
Speaker 3:Hey, hey, it's my turn. I say um, I say because it did just snow, fucking snowballs. Get out and throw snowballs. You don't realize like we as an adult, we forget how to be a fucking kid. You get out, you throw a snowball, something that goes poof and just snow goes everywhere and there's this little light that lights up in your head you're like oh that's so cool.
Speaker 3:Did you see the way it went poof? And other people like I did see the way it went poof and it's really cool and like you can throw them at each other and it doesn't really like hurt that much. You can like throw it at a child and it's really not that bad. People don't get mad at you at least that mad at you for throwing at children and they laugh.
Speaker 3:They think it's funny and it's a thing for them. They were like oh, I remember when I was younger someone threw snowballs at me and it was fun. So I say throwing snowballs is my thing, that you shouldn't go bring.
Speaker 4:Get eight hours of sleep. Six is not enough, I don't care. Shut your pie hole. Get eight and try to go to bed at the same time and your eye hole yes okay, I like it gaps what you got.
Speaker 3:Okay, I have two. No, you could, we're going in circles here, come back around.
Speaker 2:It's very simple. The rules are not complicated okay, but I'm gonna pick this one instead because I think it's easier we can come back around to do another one Every morning when you wake up. Try to not go on your phone for one hour after waking If you have to like work. I mean, I'm sure you have a computer for work, so I think you can work on that At least staying off socials for like a while.
Speaker 4:Stop calling me out. I don't like it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know Me too. I'm working on that.
Speaker 5:I hate the fact that I have to go after you guys all picked all the good ones, but, um, I'm going to say, get a hobby, especially a hobby that um gets you away from electronics. It's a good one, that's good. It's going to help your mental health. In a lot of cases it's going to actually help you get active. Even if it's just, even if it's painting, doing this with your arms is more active than you just sitting there watching TV. I like it.
Speaker 3:Painting's nice. All right, Mike, back to you. What do we got? We're going in circles here Go.
Speaker 1:As someone who lost 110 pounds and talks to people who are trying to figure out what to eat after being in similar situations, I tell them to operate like a Taco Bell, and what I mean by that is Taco Bell has a very large menu, but they've got like six ingredients. It's just different combinations of all day. Pizza shops work the same way. They've got maybe six, seven ingredients or so, but they're making pizza and they're making garlic knots and they're making calzones and strombolis and it's it's just different combinations of the same stuff, but our stupid monkey brains register it as different items so if you can find just like a central group of items that make a lot of food, you will have what you perceive as a varied diet and it'll be a lot easier to uh not get bored with what you're eating.
Speaker 3:I like that okay, I all right back to me I say read five pages of that book that's been sitting on your shelf for three years that you said you're going to get to Because you fucking people man, I do it too. You're like. I got to read pages, I got to read fucking chapters, but no, read three, five pages, put it back down, it's fine.
Speaker 1:And you fine, and you come back to it. That's, that's how you get through a book you don't?
Speaker 3:you have to read the whole thing in one sitting, so read three to five.
Speaker 1:Check out, uh ben carpenter's fat loss habits just came out. That's a good one.
Speaker 5:So yeah, I've got mine in the other room. Ben ben refused to promote his own book, so everyone here is promoting it for us we had to promote his book for him.
Speaker 3:He wouldn't do it. We kept trying to get him to.
Speaker 1:I already know. That's why I'm pushing it here. He can't stop me.
Speaker 3:All right, Andy, what do you?
Speaker 4:got. Take at minimum 15 minutes goal 30, of something to do. Could be a, like Rob said, could be a hobby of something to de-stress, something that is for you, only for you, without other people to manage stress. An activity that could go on a walk could be a hobby, could be a book, just something that you know reduces your stress level, because you can't be in fight or flight all day, and a lot of people don't do this, they just are chaotic all day. No, find something that lowers your stress and do it every day.
Speaker 5:Yeah that.
Speaker 2:Adding on to my start your day an hour away from your phone. How do you do that? That's like entertaining for you. Yeah, you can turn on maybe if you can't read that book you've had on your nightstand. There's audio books for everything, so listen to that while you're like washing your nightstand. There's audiobooks for everything, so listen to that while you're like washing your face, making your coffee, doing all that listen to either like music, a podcast or like a book you like, because whenever I do that, I feel like my days go so much better, like whatever it is like. It's so like just puts you in a better mood than being on your phone, because the second you get on your phone, you could be trapped into anything I'm gonna have to go with.
Speaker 5:Buy in moderation merch. You will look 20 cooler in the gym. I promise that your motivation will go through the roof. Buy our code rob.
Speaker 3:You guys have mugs, liam we do have mugs, yeah, like get yourself a fun mug that makes mornings always better.
Speaker 2:What is that right?
Speaker 5:Let's see if it'll focus.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's nice.
Speaker 5:I already know this drink is not approved. It's a really nice.
Speaker 1:It's my favorite mug. I use it every day.
Speaker 2:Not approved. I've also.
Speaker 1:I've got a tank top that says here's a banana. Calm the fuck down.
Speaker 3:You can make a poop one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's one of my favorites.
Speaker 3:I said that once, just because I was ranting about shit, people were like that's awesome, put it on a shirt. I was like I will.
Speaker 1:And it's got like a chemical list of all the things that make up a banana. So it's like a bunch of amino acids and sugars and everything Super cool.
Speaker 3:Okay, one more, we'll do one more, and then we'll end there.
Speaker 1:I'm going to assume that a lot of people that are listening right now probably consume a lot of health and fitness content or they're looking to improve their lives. If you are following somebody that regularly confuses you, makes you scared or makes you sad, unfollow that person. Just get rid of them. I like it. I don't care if they're a doctor, I don't care if they're, whatever they are that they claim to be.
Speaker 3:If they're making you upset, scared or confused, just get rid of them. That's good, okay, andy talked about de-stress, so I want to bring this one up masturbation just underrated. We're talking like bro, we're all fucking adults here and people listening probably are. Maybe they're not. Who gives a shit and like sexual health is so like underrated, and especially for men. Because I remember this study I was just going to say the study, yep.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, Out of 30,. They looked at 32,000 men, and men who ejaculated at least 21 times a month had a 20% lower chance of prostate cancer compared to those that did less. So you know, do it for your health. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 5:I'm doing it right now Mike gets off to in moderation that is not something I do in moderation all the time.
Speaker 4:My prostate is as healthy as oh shit all right, andy what you got find one high fiber kind of processed food whether it be like the high fiber english muffins, the high fiber tortillas, the, the bonza pasta and then incorporate it into your day, just one of them that you like, and build it in, because at least you know that, at least you're getting like eight grams, five grams, 10 grams every day, and it makes it a lot easier to get closer to that 20 or 30.
Speaker 3:I like that.
Speaker 1:That's good my keto bread's got 22 grams when I with the two slices wow, yeah, two slices, I know yeah okay, um, you only have two gap you can pick.
Speaker 2:Think of more you have two at the end, all right, fine, it's the last one, just saying quickly I'm like liam, kind of jumping off of liam's thing, but like not really at all. But like every day, look at yourself in the mirror and be like, say something, like I am awesome, I am like smart.
Speaker 3:That's the same as masturbation.
Speaker 2:Say something that's like going to make you feel good about yourself and like, start off your day and then, um, start, try to chug a glass of water every single morning before like coffee. The things that helps me is finding like I find like a fiber supplement um, I can't remember which one, but anything that has some type of flavor, even if it's just like me or something that gets some flavor that you like will actually drink. But we're all capable of chugging water in the morning and I think doing that can get you in a good routine and it's a really simple thing to do, I like that well, this is very important.
Speaker 5:If you are a male listening to this, which is not really unfortunate, but it's our lower demographic we actually have more women but if you are a male listening to this, get a vasectomy because from everything I've seen from people on this podcast, children absolutely ruin your life.
Speaker 3:Get more fiber, get sleep and get your vasectomy people Jerk off to yourself in the mirror.
Speaker 1:Look at yourself in the mirror Eye contact. We're building confidence.
Speaker 3:I'm getting a vasectomy today. God damn it.
Speaker 1:If anybody's nervous about a vasectomy, I lift.
Speaker 3:Reward yourself with some seed oils afterwards, and don't be your worst.
Speaker 1:I've got no more seed.
