In Moderation
Providing health, nutrition and fitness advice in moderate amounts to help you live your best life.
Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
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Are all the food fears we're grappling with as valid as they seem? This episode dives into the nuances of nutrition, health claims, and the hyper-concern surrounding everyday dietary choices. We kick things off with some humorous tech-related snafus, setting the tone for the real talk ahead. Throughout the conversation, we test the boundaries of nutritional myths, addressing everything from the anxiety over canned goods and rotisserie chicken to the heated debates about seed oils. Our hosts bring honesty and curiosity—inviting listeners into a candid exploration of the narratives shaping beliefs about health today. We present science-based discussions on common food concerns while highlighting how moderation remains the golden rule. Are concerns about what we eat really justified? By unpacking both personal and societal beliefs surrounding food choices, we aim to encourage a thoughtful re-evaluation of eating habits and invite listeners to enjoy food without the guilt. If you're looking to understand food safety better and want a positive refresher on balancing enjoyment and health, this conversation is for you. Join us for enticing discussions that demystify the complexities of our plate, and let's redefine our relationship with food together. Don't forget to subscribe and share your thoughts with us!
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Welcome to In Moderation, where the first 30 minutes of the episode were unaired of us just trying to fix Liam's microphone and camera.
Speaker 2:No, I say we just release that, forget what we're about to do. We just put out like us, like all right, and now click. That I mean top rated episode so far.
Speaker 1:You're right, that's exactly what everybody wants to see episode so far.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right, that's exactly what everybody wants to see. You see what I have for people listening I bought a monocle that isn't a monocle, it's actually just a magnifying glass and like the shape of a monocle. I did it for one small bit in a video and you know what? No fucking regrets 100 worth it.
Speaker 1:I was worried that your eyesight was failing and you started to need a magnifying glass. It it's so cheap it already broke. Gotta read all those chemicals in the ingredients list.
Speaker 2:It's already busted, oh jeez. And I just fucking bought it, and you know what? I don't even care, I used it for the bit and listen. It's funny, so fucking worth it.
Speaker 1:Anyway, so everybody go watch that this week.
Speaker 2:I know worth it anyway. So everybody go watch that. This week I know, um, it's been yeah, fucking long week day, everything for us. So you know, like we do a lot of like react content, you know on our channels, the ticky talks and whatnot. So like what if we just do an episode where we just like listen to some bullshit and talk about it because that's what we always talk about, right, it's like the bullshit's more fun, it's more, it's more fun than like the normal eat your fiber and blah, blah, blah. So right, like no one wants to hear about that shit. Oh, like, oh, spoiler alert. Well, I don't know if I'm even supposed to say I'm doing it, so never mind, we'll keep it a secret for now, because I'm not even supposed to. I'm supposed to, I don't know if I'm supposed to say, say yet, but like there's, there's something cool I got coming up and so, yeah, looking for that in the future. I'll mention it when, at the time yeah I'm excited um, but also uh.
Speaker 2:So yeah, we're just gonna listen. So we're gonna watch some bullshit, react to it and just have some fun with it like, that's what this episode's about.
Speaker 1:I need that right now, and so Liam has not seen any of these. Well, he might have seen them, in passing, probably. I took a brief look at some of them just to make sure that they were not stupid entirely, but I didn't watch the whole things and stuff, so we're entirely blind going into this for the most part. And well, here's one from our good old, non-toxic dad.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 3:That guy. Stop buying Costco rotisserie chicken. Here's why you probably didn't know this, but this little peep is only about six weeks old. This is a specially bred chicken in horrible conditions, grown and fattened on likely corn and soil. That's GMO to create this chicken.
Speaker 1:Can I just say don't pretend like you care about the living condition of the chicken.
Speaker 2:Like, if you're coming at it from that aspect, like you know I understand, like you know, they eat their bread in captivity. They treat them like shit, like that part, like you know I get. But then they just do, they take this fucking turn and it's like, well, they're given this food, like of course they're given like corn and shit like it's. They're trying to try and make them grow, like every time chicken in six weeks that you're eating.
Speaker 3:They take it to a mass slaughterhouse where they dip it in chlorine and other toxins to make it safe and it's leaving those residues on the chicken.
Speaker 1:Okay, so so chlorine washes are actually very commonly used in restaurants all over. It is illegal to use a chlorine wash for chicken in UK Europe, one of the two, maybe both one of the two, maybe both in europe, and that is specifically because they found people who doing chlorine washes weren't. They thought that that made the chicken safe to handle and they weren't following other safe chicken handling uh things, whatever. So they were like, okay, we're just gonna not let you chlorine wash chicken if you're not going to be safe with chicken.
Speaker 2:Yeah, even the European Union said yeah, like it's safe to use. We're just worried that they might not use other safety precautions. So, yeah, it's the amount like and you know I was fine Interesting Like you know, like there's those water purification tablets, right, like those use like chlorine, like amounts of it to to clean the water and you can drink it like I remember I did it, I did something about this like chlorine wash and I was like you ever swallowed a little bit of water in the pool? Did you die after if?
Speaker 2:you like cracked up. It's like you know ditch, but did you die? You know that whole thing and it's like it's a tiny bit of chlorine. The dose makes the poison like a tiny bit of chlorine, like if the you know that whole thing and it's like it's a tiny bit of chlorine. The dose makes the poison like a tiny bit of chlorine, like if the you know like you. You go by like a fucking what you call it A gas station. You breathe the air like there's fucking toxins in there, but you don't die because, it's a small amount right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like the, the amount of um, what is it Benzene, benzene, benzene. Yeah, the amount of. What is it benzene, benzene, benzene. Yeah, benzene that you breathe while you're filling your car up is quite high relative to a lot of other things.
Speaker 2:But I still fill my vehicle up and I'm still living. Yeah, it's more than it's in your diet soda. People are like oh, vitamin C reacts to blah, blah, blah and it creates benzene. I'm like, well, never fill your gas tank, then all right. How about that? Yeah, pretty much all right. What else is a stoop this?
Speaker 3:bird is just seasoned with normal herbs and spices.
Speaker 1:They have preservatives in here, like oh, no preservatives linked to liver and kidney damage okay, okay, hold on sodium benzoate, or sorry. Sorry, it wasn't sodium benzoate, it was sodium phosphate, sodium phosphate, um. It can be linked to liver and kidney damage in like if you are taking like medical doses of it or supplementing it, which is why it shows it in a fucking vial on the screen like this.
Speaker 1:They put it in a vial like it's some sort of like it's gonna be injected into you, because sodium phosphate itself is just sodium and phosphorus like, and those are two things our body needs. It's just, if you are injecting extreme quantities of it, yes, it's going to hurt you oh, but he's non-toxic, dad rob, so he tries to get rid of all the toxins.
Speaker 3:Uh duh, I'm sorry state that's linked to liver and kidney damage, and carrageenan, which can degrade into polygenin, which is the known inflammatory agent and possible carcinogen good old carrageenan always the carrageenan.
Speaker 2:It's always the fucking carrageenan. Holy shit, how much I I can't imagine how much like food grade carrageenan could be degraded into polygenin. It's got to be just an astronomically small amount it can't.
Speaker 1:It can't. You need to expose carrageenan to an extremely, extremely acidic environment to turn it into polygenin so he's just like it can be degraded into this, so therefore it could be bad. Don't eat follow my advice. Yeah, we're like we're talking more acidic than your stomach but like, here's the fucking thing.
Speaker 2:So I I used this video actually in one of my bullshit speed rounds and all I did was when at the beginning he said, you know, stop buying rotisserie chickens, I just said, said make me, that's the whole fucking thing. I just I just said make me and fucking move on, cause fuck you, like holy shit, do you really think Americans are unhealthy Cause they're eating too much rotisserie chicken?
Speaker 6:Like that's what I was trying.
Speaker 2:I try and phrase it to people like are because they're eating too many canned vegetables and rotisserie chicken. You would have a very hard time making me believe that. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:It's fucking chicken. Chicken is hot right out of the oven in a plastic bag.
Speaker 2:Oh the microplastics.
Speaker 3:It's likely a mix of polyethylene terephthalate Remember that word, phthalate? It's a known hormone disruptor and this is microwave safe. So you're putting hot food into a plastic bag that can leach these hormone disrupting chemicals, and 117 million of these are eaten each year in the US. So share this video with your friends.
Speaker 1:Is the bag melting? Is it so hot that the bag is melting?
Speaker 2:Imagine the bag is just like fucking oozy and like the chicken falls out Like you guys. Fucking. Fuck this one up.
Speaker 2:Real bad and it's always the real fucking cost. Let me tell you something like every time I see like a video blow up for one of these people, like half the time it's the rotisserie chicken, because people, because people like it and that's why they're like oh, that's like my favorite thing. What's this random guy on the internet saying? He's saying he wants you to buy his shit. That's what he's saying. It's a fucking chicken. It's a chicken.
Speaker 2:Oh, god damn it, man you know, they go on to be like oh, you need this fucking organic pasture, raised, you know, blessed by the angels themselves.
Speaker 1:Chicken that's, uh yeah, 85 dollars per pound yeah yeah, oh next fuck this let's see if tonic health is gonna give us anything better oh god this guy ripped off by your baby formula brand.
Speaker 9:Well, if you read this article, what you'll find out is that actually, typically, brands have to standardize their formulations and the baby formula recipe is very tightly controlled by regulation around what nutrition an infant needs.
Speaker 1:So that's very true. That is a very true statement. Did I lose you for a second there?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just lost you. It just popped out for a second.
Speaker 1:But yeah, the infant formula is very tightly regulated. That is a true statement.
Speaker 9:Absolutely so. When you look at something like Cow and Gate and Aptamil, they are literally like for like in terms of the ingredients and the nutritional profile that comes in them. But there's a four pound difference in price there whether you want a Cow and Gate logo or an Aptamil logo. So really what you need to do is ignore the brands, because you can even come down here to something like Bonnier, which is 8.45. So you can save yourself almost a tenner from trading to Aptamil, but the formula is basically the same. So the only choices you have to make in baby formula do you want to invest a little bit more into something like HIP, which is inorganic and removes the pesticides from the supply chain, or whether you want to come down to nanny care and choose goat milk instead of cow milk, because sometimes babies digest that better okay, so that was almost good advice yeah, I mean like if remove the pesticides.
Speaker 1:No, that's not what organic means at all, but also all the different ones on that shelf aren't necessarily there for the same age, for the same conditions, stuff like that For those listening. He pointed to two that have words that are underneath them and I believe the first one, yes, it was a formula for children who are constipated. It was a formula for children who are constipated. The second one was children having regurgitation problems Reflex and regurgitation. So different formulas are made for different things. You can't just look at the price.
Speaker 2:And, like you said, with goat's milk okay, some babies might not be able to tolerate cow's milk, so you try that Absolutely. Some babies might not be able to tolerate you know, cow's milk, so you try that. Like absolutely. And like. My thing is like talk to your fucking pediatrician and not some like random wanker on the internet. That's like it's fucking baby formula is one of the things that pisses me off so much, like you're gonna. You know, and this wasn't even that bad like I've seen like much worse when it comes to oh yeah, formula yeah but like, yeah, like a lot of them are the same because it is tightly regulated.
Speaker 2:But I just don't like when they're like oh, the organic removes the pesticides. No, that's not what that means. Organic absolutely still uses pesticides. They just use organic pesticides, which often aren't as effective, so they have to use more pesticides and in some cases, are more deadly than it could.
Speaker 2:It could be so, like you know, buy what you can afford and what works for your family. That's like I feel like every formula should just be like. Have you ever thought of infant formula? Well, how about you buy what you can afford and what works for your child?
Speaker 1:have a nice day, there you go.
Speaker 2:That's the whole video fucking five seconds nailed it, are you?
Speaker 1:are you ready for some paul saladino?
Speaker 2:oh, who isn't ready for some paul saladino?
Speaker 10:this is how canada convinced you to eat engines lubricant. This is the crazy canola oil. Canola oil is derived from the seeds of the rape plant. It's rape seed oil and it was originally developed in world war ii to lubricate ships and steam engines because the oil sticks to wet metal. Now, during world war ii, the united states needed to build a lot of ships and steam engines because the oil sticks to wet metal. Now, during World War II, the United States needed to build a lot of ships and we didn't really have enough of this rapeseed oil to lubricate the parts that were going to get wet. So the US government asked Canada to increase their production of rapeseed oil to help with the war effort.
Speaker 10:But at the end of World War II, demand for this rapeseed oil trapped precipitously and Canada needed to findada needed to put so many resources into producing in high amounts. The problem for canada immediately after the war is that this unmodified rapeseed oil is toxic for humans, containing significant amounts of a monounsaturated fat called erucic acid, which seems to be damaging for the heart. But in 1980, scientists finally succeeded in genetically modifying the seeds from these rape plants to make their oil significantly lower in erucic acid.
Speaker 1:So apparently just for 40 years between World War II and the 1980s, canada just kept growing this stuff and hoping that people would buy it right One day. Eh, one day, yeah. Instead of changing products or something we were like, yeah, let's formulate this stuff over the next 40 years so that we can sell it back to the US.
Speaker 2:But let's make it toxic. Just they don't know it's toxic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll just change the toxic of it.
Speaker 10:Canola was born. Canola is actually an acronym that stands for Canadian oil, low acid and today it's one of the most highly consumed oils on the planet, and especially in the United States. And if you listen to mainstream health authorities or the American College of Cardiology, they'll tell you this oil is healthy for you. But I beg to differ. There are multiple studies in both animal and human models showing clearly that seed oils like canola oil are harmful.
Speaker 2:Whoa, whoa, whoa whoa whoa, did you see that? I love when he fucking just flashes shit on the screen for like 10 milliseconds.
Speaker 1:two of them were the same. So for those listening, he he flashed four studies on screen. The last two of them were the exact same dietary intakes of polyunsaturated fatty acids. Blah, blah, blah. Next, one dietary intake of polyunsaturated fatty acids wait, was it the same year?
Speaker 2:go, go back, it was the same year 1999 july.
Speaker 1:Oh, this one doesn't have this one's got the year covered up but it's the same study, so did they just like cover up the same conclusion so, in order to pad his video, he posted the same study twice, as if it was actually good, because people aren't going to look at it, people aren't actually going to pay attention.
Speaker 1:You could flash the same study four times and people wouldn't even notice. Actually, I think is this the study. It was looking at increases in 9-hydroxy-oxidated well, 9-hode in LDL for people who had atherosclerosis and it had an increase in 9-HODE when people had atherosclerosis. And it had a um, it had an increase in nine hode when people had atherosclerosis and it was saying that, um, it wasn't necessarily, it's not dietary consumption of ldl, it wasn't dietary consumption of these, it's the amount your body is making when you're sick. Right, and they were concluding that it could be used as a way to uh, as a warning for people, kind of like erythritol, like the studies on erythritol being like oh, it's linked to heart diseases.
Speaker 2:Like your body creates erythritol. They weren't even looking at the dietary intake of erythritol yes correct. Right, that makes sense, yeah. And what I find interesting about all this is I remember dr eds did a video and he's just like yeah, I can find fucking uh sources showing that butter and tallow were used as lubricants oh yeah, thousands of years ago. Does that make him bad, like I don't. It's always just like with this group of people.
Speaker 1:We used welfare as lamps.
Speaker 2:It's just like this weird, just so basic, where they're just like yeah, but it's used to lubricate an engine, so it has to be bad. I don't understand your thought process there. It's a good thing we're not engines Next t-shirt. It's a good thing we're not engines. Um and like when we. The reason that he's that harvard recommends and says it's not terrible is because when we give it to humans in normal amounts, that you would get from your diet that it actually does show to be uh, cardioprotective. Like every single time, like literally every single time, can you find studies where there's like mechanisms where they're like what, what if this converts to that and that? Like sure you can find that. What does the actual, like elaine norton would always say, what does the human randomized control trial say? Yeah, and it shows you every single time you give seed oils to people that it's it's at at worst it does it doesn't make their health any any worse or it improves it like. Those are the two things yeah man.
Speaker 10:Another problem with canola oil and other seed oils is that, in order to get these oils from the seeds of plants, they must be highly refined, exposed to many extracting agents that are carcinogenic, like benzene, hexane, and heated to high temperatures leading to oxidation of these fragile oils uh, no, it's not.
Speaker 1:This is hilarious. Something I was thinking about today because I was making cat food and the process of doing that is, of course, kind of ugly. You're grinding all this meat and bone and everything and you look at it and I always think, whenever they're talking about seed oils, they show this video. For those listening. It's the video where they're showing how seed oils are being made and they show the sludge and all that stuff which, by the way, the sludge is the stuff that's being extracted. It's not actually in the oil anymore, and they do that to you know, make you disgusted like ew, I'm eating this.
Speaker 2:The process of making most food is a disgusting process yeah, and like, the reason they use hexane and stuff is because it's easy to remove afterwards yeah, that's.
Speaker 1:The other thing is that it's not exposed to a high temperature, for the that exact reason like that hexane is used is because it has a boiling point of 60 degrees celsius I don't remember it being fairly like low, so you can just- yeah, it's no higher than 70. It's somewhere in around 60. And so it's extracted at a temperature that is lower than boiling water.
Speaker 2:Right, it says 155 Fahrenheit, which is 68.7 degrees Celsius.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, it's not even hot enough to boil water, right, and keep in mind, oils boil at a way higher temperature than water does, right.
Speaker 10:And exposure to high heat in the distillation process leads to oxidation and the formation of significant amounts of trans fats.
Speaker 2:So these oils are toxic and again like if you just look this shit up, butter has more trans fat.
Speaker 1:like then Like yeah, you can literally flip the bottle over, look at the ingredients, look at the trans fat.
Speaker 2:then like, yeah, you can literally flip the bottle over, look at the ingredients look at the trans fat and it usually says zero, zero, it's a fraction like again, butter is going to have more and yet this dude's fucking bathes in it and shoves it in every hole he has, like what the fuck? What?
Speaker 10:how many different ways. So don't be fooled by canadian propaganda here or what you're told by mainstream health authorities. These oils are harmful for humans. They should never have become part of our food supply. In fact, I don't even think of them as food.
Speaker 1:The only thing they're good for is energy. These videos I pulled are recent videos. Paul was part of the. There was a Republican thing that happened with a bunch of speakers just after Trump won. Paul was actually part of that, huh, and it kind of sounds like he's jumped on the anti-Canada train in this. Oh, considering he's part of that overall, uh, maha, um trump.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, if you're like a fucking grifter, like a health grifter, you're gonna have to jump on that to to profit more, because those are the people that are willing to spend their money on that all right, yeah, fucking, always the seed oil thing, man, we're gonna stick around with it for a while, but I think I'm hopeful that slowly over time, people will start to realize they're like it's kind of just more the overconsumption of calories, lack of exercise, lack of nutritious foods, the basic shit that we know. Yeah, that, don't sell your fucking beef supplements.
Speaker 1:All right, let's change things up with Hermes the Cynic.
Speaker 2:Oh, Hermes is an interesting one.
Speaker 11:Yeah, counting calories and tracking macros are eating disorders. Uh, perpetuated by morons.
Speaker 1:If you're an obese or okay, so they can be eating disorders or can lead to eating disorders.
Speaker 2:There is that we'll give them that, but they inherently aren't to say anyone tracking their calories is has an eating disorder. That's a pretty fucking wild, wild statement right there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like it, tracking calories, counting calories is amazing. It's an amazing tool to learn how many calories things have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely helpful. We've talked about many times helpful. But man, just be like, oh, it's just an eating disorder, this guy. This guy, like, if you've never watched his videos, he rants for like seven, eight, nine minutes, just like straight, and I'm like honestly impressed that he gets some of his videos will get a lot of views because, like man, the people sit there for like eight minutes and listen to this dude.
Speaker 11:That's, that's honestly pretty impressive yep, you're gonna want to fast. You're going to want to fast and you're going to want to fast for a billion reasons, but in this video, because of the hormone leptin. You're going to want to do it because of the leptin response. You see there's four human hunger cues you're supposed to be getting. There's I could eat, there's I should eat. There's holy fuck, I need to eat. And there's cannibalism.
Speaker 11:Cannibalism won't kick in until you're at one percent body fat, but holy fuck, I need to eat. That'll kick in at around 10 body fat and less. It's why, when you're a bodybuilder and you're getting like stage ready, you're super fucking hungry all the time, right? Uh, normal hunger cues are I could eat and I should eat. If you're an obese individual, you only ever get holy fuck, I need to eat because your body so dependent on food coming in and it can't burn body fat adequately to keep the body running. But every time your insulin starts to come low, your body's bad at producing glucagon, you're bad at producing ketones. You're bad at doing all of the things you train in a fast.
Speaker 1:So it's, it's a um, a misconception that overweight people have a slow metabolism. They don't.
Speaker 2:They have a fast metabolism because they're a larger creature, so they're going to burn more calories, just existing. The larger animal is, the more calories it's going to require like you didn't get fat because you have a broken metabolism. That's just no yeah, like I mean it is true that, like hunger signaling can be not in their favor. Let's put it that way where they're just, they're just more hungry, like absolutely so you freak the fuck out.
Speaker 11:Your body thinks it's literally starving to death and you get the holy fuck, I need to eat. Hunger cue, which is also being caused by a leptin response. You see, leptin is the hormone that's responsible for telling you that you're full. You ever been around a skinny bitch that eat five bites and they go oh, I'm full.
Speaker 1:They have a healthy leptin response. That is not healthy. That was anorexic. Somebody that's very skinny and has five bites and says I'm full, that's. That's not healthy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I kind of lost you there for a second, my internet's being a dick, but like I agree with you they are full.
Speaker 11:Your hunger cues are essentially holy fuck, I'm really hungry. And then you eat until you're physically uncomfortable and hurting.
Speaker 1:That's you compensating for the fact that your leptin response isn't working anymore, the reason you're left um, if you are, if you're getting hungry and then eating until you're physically hurting, your leptin is working because you get to the point where you're like feeling like shit that's. That's the leptin kicking it. The problem is you're either doing it too fast or you don't know where the middle ground is yeah, that's my thing.
Speaker 2:It's like with these sort of videos, it just boils it all down to one thing, like oh, it's leptin, so for this and that and it, there's a multitude of reasons. You know, there's people under healthy relationship with food. Maybe they have trauma from their youth and there's then that's why they eat. There's a lot of things that can go on, but like these sort of videos will just like oh, it's this, so all you have to do is blank. And then here's my program.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was Adam Wright, our interview with Adam Wright. He talks about like finding your zero Right, and that's the most important part when we're talking about this kind of stuff is that people tend, especially in North America, to just shovel food down their mouth until they feel full and you're not giving your body time for the leptin response is the problem yeah, and I and again, that can come for many reasons like a lot of people in childhood dealt with the you know, like don't get up till you finish your plate, you have to eat all these things.
Speaker 2:And then, like you, you have these things that grow with you into adulthood and you're still dealing with you. You have these things that grow with you into adulthood and you're still dealing with them until you kind of at least work with those or start to work with those that, like, you're going to, you're going to have trouble and so like to just be like it's a hormone. I don't, I don't really like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and this, the real solution here isn't to fast, it's to find the middle ground where you eat a little bit slower, let your leptin actually respond, give it time to respond and try to find this point where you can stop eating and in 10 minutes you'll be like okay, I feel good, I feel full, I don't feel like I ate too much. Adam said it was like a scale of zero to 10, where people fall down to two and then they eat so much they jump up to an eight, whereas you want to be more like down to a five and then bump it up to like a seven or six and you just kind of stay in that middle ground area.
Speaker 2:Right and I think, just like working on your relationship with food and being like it's okay if I don't finish this, because then there's more people that are like, oh, I have to, you know, I have to finish my plate. There's people starving, you know that sort of thing and like someone who grew up like I grew up not a lot of money, like I gotta finish all this, like I I get that. I feel that. So, like working on it, be like it's okay, it's okay for me to stay here and it's okay if I don't finish this, and like giving yourself permission, like I think I think that's important for a lot of people not everyone, but some people definitely.
Speaker 1:How about we go on to your favorite, gary brekka?
Speaker 2:oh I. Yes, let's fucking go, gary, and let's do the whole rest of the episode. You know I've been testing this for the last month or so what do we got six weeks um something around his neck that they use in the bed works really well for her.
Speaker 8:This doesn't seem to work as good for her. Okay, we're actually working around the house using the caffeine setting to stay awake without caffeine. Oh, I like this a state of calm, a parasympathetic state.
Speaker 2:Parasympathetic. I love that he threw that out there.
Speaker 8:It's just sending you frequency that's mimicking certain compounds in the human body.
Speaker 2:Yes, Frequency mimicking. Mimicking compounds Don't be specific.
Speaker 8:Off on the app. That response stops at the cellular level.
Speaker 2:Cellular level. I love that, yes.
Speaker 8:Not under the influence of that compound. So I like the melatonin, I like the adenosine. There you go. It's c and cbd settings.
Speaker 2:You're not putting txc or cbd in your body oh, people know those things are like can help, so that, oh, I love this I'm excited to see where these guys take this, but I'm giving you my six week check-in.
Speaker 8:Six, yeah, this, oh, that was fucking good, bro.
Speaker 2:Gary brekka is the fucking man when it comes to selling nonsense.
Speaker 1:I, if I don't even know what it was and I want to try one who the fuck we?
Speaker 2:he didn't even say what it was. It doesn't matter what it was. I loved the saying like the thc and cbd because people have like heard those are like. Those are things right, that like people are like it's in the news. It seems to help people and whatnot. But I don't even have to take it. I just put this thing around my neck and the frequencies from it help compounds in my body create more of that. That is fucking top notch right there. Scary Bruck is the best man, Apparently it's called.
Speaker 1:HAPBEE, hap, hapbee.
Speaker 2:H-A-p-b-e-e happy. Okay, no wonder he didn't say the name because it's fucking stupid, but, like, everything else was really good. Like man, if when we get alpha water can we get gary brekka to sell it, he'll sell the shit out of that. Man like this guy sounds like a plan. I love that. He's like wearing it. I love that he's walking and talking is great. I love that he talked about his family, like you know. Like bring it. It's like wearing it. I love that he's walking and talking is great. I love that he talked about his family. Like you know, like freaking. It's like, hey, I'm just a. I'm just a guy. I've got a wife. We're trying this out. We're just letting you know, just a check-in. That's great. Give it more of like a realistic, like a human approach. Like I'm not some dude like who's in a eiffel tower fucking talk. No, I'm just trying this thing that got sent to me and, like you know, if the frequencies work, like, oh, I love it.
Speaker 1:That was good that was good, the idea of just an electromagnetic frequency, oh, triggering thc in your body oh god, I I can't imagine there's any research to support that.
Speaker 2:But you again, you don't need it.
Speaker 1:You know what's amazing is, I bet you, I can find a video from him saying don't sleep with your phone near you because of the electromagnetic frequencies.
Speaker 2:That's a different Rob. That's a different frequency.
Speaker 1:That's a way different frequency.
Speaker 9:That was a bad frequency.
Speaker 2:This one works in harmony with your body. I love that we go back to the beginning. What was he? There was some. There was some real good stuff at the beginning there.
Speaker 8:I love testing this for the last month or so. This is the happy, actually about six weeks. Oh, he did say happy, okay, he did say wife, the pad that they use in the bed works really well for her, but this necklace doesn't seem to work as good for her, but for flights we're going gonna stop it right there.
Speaker 2:I love that. That was really good. That was really good because you don't want to say the product that you're trying to sell people is perfect for everyone, right? Like that's bad, like these people aren't going to believe that. You're like, hey, actually this part, this part doesn't work as well for her, but it does for me. Like that, I, I love that because it lets people know that like hey, I'm just trying to let, I'm just trying to let you guys in on this. I'm just trying to say, like I'm trying to give you the download, like it's not perfect, but it does work for me. Like I love that.
Speaker 2:That's really good that was great, and especially for him, because it's increasing the chance that you're going to sell both yeah like this works for some people and like you don't know which one is which, and like you're not selling it as a perfect solution to everything. You don't want to do that because people won't believe it.
Speaker 8:Then Okay, I was using the caffeine setting to stay awake without caffeine?
Speaker 2:Caffeine setting.
Speaker 8:I love that, mom. A parasympathetic state will get you ready for bed. It works really really well for those.
Speaker 2:I like the parasympathetic. That was really good too. That was really good too. You know the big words. We need those.
Speaker 8:Not actually putting you under the influence of those compounds as soon as you turn it off on the app. That response stops at the cellular level and you no longer feel.
Speaker 2:The cellular level you can sell your cellular level in there.
Speaker 8:I love that that's so good. There's also THC and CBD settings.
Speaker 2:You're not putting THC or CBD, yeah OK you're not putting THC or CBD in your body. You can pause it. You can stop it. That was just so good. I love that beginning where it stops at a cellular level. Parasympathetic and parasympathetic, I think, are something a lot of people have heard of and they have vague notions of what it is it's a big word.
Speaker 2:Okay, I get that being a grifter, it's a delicate balance of using things that people have just enough I have heard of enough, but don't know like all of the ins and outs right and using just enough like uh, lingo and like and jargon and all that and but like keeping it grounded at the same time. Like it, he just does the best job of this balance. Man, I'm telling you it's so good that this was this. 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10 for like selling this product.
Speaker 1:I gotta say that was really good you know who happens to be an investor of this happy? Is it bobby?
Speaker 12:no, oh, unfortunately it's not bobby, it is the first thing you want to do, and if you compare these high fat low carb meals versus low fat high carb, you're going to find that high carbohydrates are bad for you because having consistently high blood sugar creates inflammation. It creates inflammation because sugar in your body sticks to proteins in a process called advanced glycation and product formation, and that makes you age more quickly. Okay, stop.
Speaker 2:Stop it right there. Like I just got to say, like AGEs are also what's created when you like sear meat but I've never seen this fucker talk about that shit ever. He's always just like eat all the meat. Like plants are terrible. Vegan diet is awful, but like AGEs like both plants are terrible. Vegan diet is awful, but like agees and the mirror, the meat, I see.
Speaker 12:I see her like, no, that's totally fine. Okay, sure, good fat is good for you because fat is stable. They reduce cravings and getting the right kind of fats is crucial my favorite high fat meal is grass-fed, grass-finished steak. There it is and veggies. There's a lot of grass-fed butter and butter why?
Speaker 1:because I'm getting lots of good fat and I'm getting lots of protein and I have Grass-fed, grass-finished steak there it is.
Speaker 12:And veggies there's the beef With a lot of grass-fed butter and butter. Why? Because I'm getting lots of good fat and I'm getting lots of protein and I have vegetables for fiber.
Speaker 2:Hey, at least he mentioned fiber. I'll give him like I mean this is pretty shit, but like he did mention fiber at the end there, so I have to give him a you the beef is good fat just because it's grass-fed, it's grass-fed right no not the conventional, with like they're given corn or whatever, that's bad fat.
Speaker 2:That's, yeah, bad fat, even though, like in general, good. When we say, like dieticians and whatnot talk about good fats, we're talking about mono and polyunsaturated fats that you get more from, uh, plant products. You know your nuts, your seeds, that sort of thing. But like that for them they just say it's yeah. I mean overall like this. But he's hopping on the trends too, with like the, the low carb, low carb is is in right now, so like that's super important. And what he says, like, yeah, having constantly high blood sugar is bad, but like you know, that's why we have that insulin. Exactly, we have a pancreas. So I eat carbohydrates and insulin is released and then that's the blood sugar lowers. It's not staying high all day just because I ate a slice of bread.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's there, there's. There's acute levels of high blood sugar, which it means they last for a very short time, which is normal. When you eat something, it goes into your blood in order to get moved to the various parts of your body, so you are going to see sugar in your blood after you have eaten sugar. That's normal right.
Speaker 2:But like when you have insulin resistance and trouble using it, yeah, that that is an issue, and that's part genetic and part it can be due to obesity, it can be due to, you know, lack of exercise, sedentary lifestyle, you know that sort of thing. But no, let's just say it's because of carbs, it's just carbs, it's all carbs. It's sugar, it's all sugar fucking.
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Speaker 6:In Italy, they banned glyphosate in 2016. And if we think about Italy and the obesity conversation, they have a fraction of the obesity in Italy than they do here. But here's an interesting thing they eat more carbohydrates in Italy than we do here and they don't exercise as much. There's a fraction of the gyms. They do walk, but yeah, but what so?
Speaker 2:apparently apparently them, having less gems means they exercise, exercise less right because apparently you can't exercise outside of a gym and what do you mean by less gyms, like per capita, like in the whole country? Yeah, the united states has got a lot more gyms than like the much smaller country like I don't.
Speaker 6:Yeah, sure, sure that's the question why, well, they banned glyphosate, they banned red dye, they banned all these artificial inflammatory ingredients, and that is why they're not seeing the obesity and diabetes crisis that we're seeing, because we still allow it in our food supply, at least for now. Hopefully, this Maha movement will get rid of them.
Speaker 4:It's wild how you can go to Europe and eat croissants, pizza, gelato and not work out, and you can actually be more healthy than if you were to be super conscious and mindful of your food in america and hit the gym every day I could go to europe and you suddenly lose weight.
Speaker 1:And that so europe.
Speaker 2:Food is magical yeah, yeah, always the europe. Europe so much better and like fucking european, still the european, uh, food safety authorities recommend you get about half your calories from carbs still, but let's just leave that out. And oh, their carbs are better, though, because of this and that. It's like how about we just look at portion sizes, like our portion sizes are just much larger here and we move less. They just they like I love that. He's like, oh, they walk more. Like, yeah, they walk a lot more. They move a lot more than we do I like how?
Speaker 1:yeah, like they. They very briefly said they walk, where is?
Speaker 2:it. Oh yeah, like, oh yeah, sure they walk more, like you said it real quick, yeah a fraction of the gyms.
Speaker 6:They do walk, but yes, they do they do walk.
Speaker 2:It's just like fucking one second.
Speaker 1:They do walk like yeah pedestrian in europe is like they they actually accommodate pedestrians whereas in north america everybody's like get a car idiot drive around and then you have larger portions and like, yeah, that's, that's, it's always the europe is so not to mention the whole. If go on vacation, you are going to be moving more. You're not sitting in front of a freaking TV.
Speaker 2:And you're not at home. At home you snack a little bit more, but when I go out I'm like this thing, that thing, let's see this Walk around there and they're like oh shit, I haven't eaten in like nine hours. Let me go get some food.
Speaker 1:You eat some food, then you keep going, and then you go to that restaurant where the portion size is about half.
Speaker 2:Are smaller and so yeah, like no duh, oh man.
Speaker 14:Some of y'all might remember that I did a post recently about bread and I showed that none of it had molded in a couple of months and I got a lot of criticism back saying that the bread needed to be open in order for it to mold. So I've been letting it sit out on my counter for a bit, seeing if it mold. Let's check on it, shall we?
Speaker 14:The last video I recorded was on February 2nd. It's now February 18th, so it's been 16 days later, a little bit over two weeks, and this bread has just been sitting on my countertop, open, no mold found anywhere?
Speaker 2:Oh no.
Speaker 14:Look at this it's not real food. It's exactly the same. Same with this. Yeah, still squishy, no mold anywhere. Look at this.
Speaker 2:Why do these people hate food that lasts longer? Rob?
Speaker 1:Because they're privileged and they're able to buy bread every other day.
Speaker 2:It really is, because they're fucking. You gotta buy your own sourdough starter and make it, and if the food lasts more than 16 hours on the countertop then it's terrible for you.
Speaker 1:Oh no, how dare our food actually last longer than a couple days?
Speaker 2:I like that my bread doesn't go bad in three days. I got to be honest that's. I would love that for that to continue and like, and also it comes down to a lot of things. Like you know water content. Like you know, back in the day you travel a long time on fucking ship. On you know ship you'd like you'd have like hard tack. You know they have that shit. It's just because it's like really dehydrated, there just wasn't much water in it.
Speaker 1:So like and so like the humidity of her house is going to play a role Right.
Speaker 2:Also that so like and so food manufacturers take all of these things and they do add things that make your food last longer, and I I appreciate that I like that my food lasts a while. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I also want to say that, just because you can't see the mold yet doesn't mean there isn't mold. That is also fair, because by the time we actually see the mold, the mold has been there for a fair amount of time yeah, it's also true.
Speaker 2:Uh, this, yeah, she blocked me the word breaks down into autophagy.
Speaker 5:It basically means that the your cells have the capability of eating themselves. Now that sounds kind of confusing, but what I'm talking about is that I love it when my cells eat themselves know how to repair and clean up the mess inside something about fasting. This is something about fasting but guarantee most of the benefits of autophagy. You can just do yourself like fasting there it is.
Speaker 2:It's fucking already here it's always with the fucking fasting you will go. Your body goes through autophagy all the time, constantly. It's not like just you flip this switch. People think of it's like it's on or off, like no, it's just fucking happening.
Speaker 1:No, it's it's your body's ability to recycle leftover parts of dying cells.
Speaker 2:Yes and like yeah, when you eat food, it might be like lowered a little bit, and when you don't eat, it might be autophagy, might be increased because it has to. Instead of eating the you have, the food coming in your body has to fucking start eating itself, so sure. But when you fast for a while, you're going to have to eat more food eventually in order to sustain your life. So it's going to be suppressed more when you eat a large meal because you haven't eaten in hours yeah.
Speaker 1:We see autophagy go up because your cellular turnover rate is increasing, because your cells are dying faster, because you're not feeding them.
Speaker 2:Exactly. Ah, the fasting is increasing because your cells are dying faster, because you're not feeding them. Exactly the fasting. Fasting cures everything. Low carb fasting, grass fed butter, rub it all over your orifices, fuck it. Fuck off man, jesus Christ. Stop using toilet paper. Alright, we're done.
Speaker 2:Fuck it, just get out of here we're already like six videos in or whatever we're already in. Don Fuck it, just get out of here. We're already fucking out. We're, we've, we've, we're like six videos in or whatever. We're already a. Don't wipe your butt territory and like okay, if you, unless you're going to say like did you get a bidet or something, in which case like all right, fine, but like I'm sure it your toilet paper probably.
Speaker 7:Just think about it. How do they even turn wood into something soft and perfectly white with chemicals, bleaches and toxic compounds like chlorine and pfas, and every time you use it, these chemicals come into direct contact with some of the most sensitive and absorbent skin in your body, where they can directly seep into your bloodstream, causing havoc. This is why more and more people are switching to bidets.
Speaker 2:Do you know what? Honestly, like hey, bidets are great. Like I think you use less paper, like you know you probably save money in the end, Like that, I think. Can we just come at it from that aspect?
Speaker 1:This is the first I've heard of toilet paper being made with I don't know.
Speaker 2:I usually hear the Is it BPAs? They're always saying that's in no, not BPAs. What are they always saying? That's in toilet paper? I don't remember. I haven't done a debunking on one of these in a while because I'm just like I can't with this fucking people. Don't wipe your butt. Again it comes back to why are Americans dealing dealing with health issues? Is it because they're wiping their butt with toilet paper?
Speaker 2:I really don't think so I really don't think they're dealing with with, with heart disease and all this other shit because? And atherosclerosis, because you're wiping your butt with toilet paper. Come on I.
Speaker 1:I would like to see the uh, the person who has lost 100 pounds because they switched from toilet paper to a bidet this is.
Speaker 2:This is the exact video that people go all right, I give up, I'm done, I'm just doing whatever. I'm just fucking smoking everything and give and drinking everything, because fuck it like I nothing's ever good enough exposing how dave's killer bread keeps you bloated.
Speaker 2:Oh my, god, now we're fucking decaying. Hold on, no, just fucking no. No, because dave's killer bread is always more like you gotta buy, even though it's like nine dollars a loaf when I'm like I'd much rather pay two dollars for kroger brand. And and then it's still not fucking good enough, because even the dave's no, it's got. Oh yes, it's sugar. Here we go. It's literally got like one gram. It has straight up like one or two grams of sugar per slice.
Speaker 1:It's almost like people don't know how bread is made.
Speaker 2:I can't, I can't, keep playing it. Let's see what the fuck's in the Dave's Killer bread.
Speaker 14:Wheat flour and cane sugar.
Speaker 1:That's it.
Speaker 14:Let's see what the fuck's in the Dave's Killer Bread Wheat, flour and cane sugar. That's it, there's a little sprinkle of seeds, but this makes you gain weight, bloat and have cravings.
Speaker 2:Okay, they pick one of them that has four grams of sugar. Most of them don't even have that much. I see they have four grams on this one.
Speaker 4:Four grams of sugar Most of them don't even have that much.
Speaker 2:But look at this, it's all fucking organic rolled barley, rolled oats, organic blue cornmeal, like quinoa and like still. This shit is like not good enough and this is why people are like fuck it, I give up.
Speaker 1:Like what do you want from me? I just love that you're. She's complaining that bread is made with flour.
Speaker 2:Oh no, it's got to be made with fucking pixie dust and mermaid tails, Like it's just. It's never good enough, it's never it's never good enough, no God.
Speaker 13:Every so often on one of my videos I get this comment Eddie's fear mongering, and Eddie's been debunked by these fucking doctors and I said to him what's there to debunk about eating single ingredient foods? What's there to debunk about stopping eating all these high carbohydrates and all this ultra-processed bullshit? Listen, there are thousands of people listening to me and healing themselves. If you don't believe me, check my testimonials and the fuckers who are debunking Check the testimonials.
Speaker 2:Check their fucking testimonials See their healing see, yes, doctors often put up testimonials yeah, I've seen, I've seen so like I have a lot of people tell that I'd say like I've helped them and like it's you can see any person you can go to and be like, yes, this, this group. The question is just like, like it's just, here's the thing, here's the thing, here's the thing. Like I really don't mind, like a lot of the stuff. When it comes to like the eddies of the world, they're like, yeah, eat more single ingredients, foods, fucking dope man. Like really, like I feel better, like when I'm eating just like whole nutritious foods. Like I really I think that's great.
Speaker 2:But like you're telling me I can never have a candy bar, I can never like I go to the movies. I can't get popcorn, I can't get my fucking diet soda. My large man, the guys, the options at fucking movie theaters are so good. When it comes to the diet sodas, you can get like anything and it just mixes it in the machine. It's so cool. But you're telling me I can't get that fuck off. Then, like I don't even, I don't care, I don't. Like I want to be able to enjoy my life and have a few things that bring me fucking joy. Like what are these?
Speaker 2:people telling you can't have anything.
Speaker 1:I really hate that, like they, they push that that healthy thing, but with misinformation, with like incorrect stuff, and then these people, people listening to that they will learn the stuff which might be okay in the moment but might lead them to making bad decisions down the line.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're kind of doing like the ends justify the means. They're like whatever gets people to stop eating ultra-processed foods, and it's just like but you don't need to stop eating ultra-processed foods to be healthy.
Speaker 2:You just need to have them, as we say on this fucking podcast that's called in moderation what was again, I forget, doesn't matter and like just and just. Yeah, I help people, awesome, help people consume more whole foods. Like that's, that's dope. But that isn't what gets the clicks and the views and I get that, and yelling about I don't know kodiak cakes or fucking dave's killer bread or whatever is, is what gets the views and I understand that, but like it's just fucking exhausting you know what I love, though?
Speaker 1:I love that I'm the person that debunked eddie so hard. It had to. He had to stop doing one of the things that he was doing before it was like the egg thing, right something about eggs, absorption and stuff egg absorption every time everybody asked him where he got his numbers from. He just like google it, google it, yeah, and that's all I was like okay fine, do you bet I'll?
Speaker 1:I'll google it and I found where he was getting those numbers from and it was complete bullshit yeah, but like he does it, you know, like he'll just change to something else.
Speaker 2:Right, like that's what he does. He just says, oh, it's just bullshit. Then all this like like, oh, high carb. Like I eat a fucking high carb diet, I'm doing pretty all right, like I love my carbs, you'll take them from my cold dead hands. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Like I mentally. My mental health would be a lot worse if I didn't get my good, good cereal, good bread, good potato.
Speaker 2:Potatoes. Man, if you're telling me I can't have potatoes, go fuck yourself. Like I'm not, I won't, I won't even waste my time with that shit. Like really potatoes Like I get. Like you're eating French fries, high calorie, whatever, but like potatoes just eating like a baked potato. That's why people are having issues. No, no, get out of here, get out of here.
Speaker 2:Well, we debunked 12 videos live okay good I was gonna say is that it like I don't know how much more of this I can fucking take, that's it, it's just. It's. Yeah, man, there's just. Like I get it. Like I just said, that is what gets the clicks and the views like that. Was that that first one that we looked at? If I like it non-toxic that that dude gets millions of views, millions of views, by just saying don't eat rotisserie chicken because blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then there's a reason why you see that getting repeated a lot by these people, the rotisserie chicken man.
Speaker 2:That's the thing I see so often. Yeah, oh shit people. We're not unhealthy because we're wiping our butt with toilet paper and eating rotisserie chicken. I promise you this, okay. So whole foods are great, whichever ones you like. Please try and get more of those into your diet. But it's totally fine to have your diet soda and to have your treats and all of that. You know, I in in moderation I got some.
Speaker 2:Oh, I think I just finished them, though, was it, uh, starburst man? I've been on starburst lately. I like them because they're in the little individual pieces, you know, and so I keep them on my desk and I'll have, like I don't know three or four of them and I put it back and I'm like, as you know, 100 calories, whatever, not too bad. And then I also got my edamame snacks and whatnot in here. So it's a fucking balance, man. It's not that deep, it's not that complicated. Enjoy your life, yeah.
Speaker 4:And don't be your worst, and don't be your worst yes, fucking don't be your worst.
Speaker 1:Oh, and very quickly at the end, if you want to see me, liam, mike Pridgen, adam Wright, jesse I don't know his last name from Progressive Overload. If you want to see us all play D&D One-Shot, that will be happening on my Twitch channel on March 16th 16th.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. Haven't played d and forever, but I love that shit. That's a good time so it's gonna it's.
Speaker 1:I'm assuming it's going to involve mike hitting us in the back a lot listen, I already have my character set.
Speaker 2:I got my character set up. I'm loving it. I love this. It's gonna be a good time. It's gonna be a good time. Everybody come join us.
