In Moderation
Providing health, nutrition and fitness advice in moderate amounts to help you live your best life.
Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
In Moderation
Debunking Food Myths and Internet Nonsense
Rob and Liam return with a fast-paced debunking session that dismantles some of the most outrageous nutrition and health claims circulating on social media. After a brief personal update on Rob's challenging situation and gratitude for community support, they dive straight into combating misinformation.
The episode takes a sobering turn when addressing the rumor about schools having litter boxes for students identifying as cats. The hosts reveal the heartbreaking truth: these litter boxes exist for emergency bathroom use during active shooter lockdowns - a stark reminder of the serious realities obscured by viral misinformation.
With trademark humor and evidence-based commentary, Rob and Liam dissect numerous nutrition myths: from a chiropractor's claim that ketogenic diets don't require high fat (despite that being the very definition of keto), to fear-mongering about chickpeas, yogurt processing, and microscopic amounts of sugar in prepared chicken. They expose how these creators exploit minimal risks to generate anxiety and sell expensive alternatives, like $71 bamboo baby wipes marketed to concerned parents.
The discussion highlights how fitness influencers create unrealistic expectations through deceptive content strategies and program structures designed to keep consumers dependent on new products. Throughout, the hosts maintain their central philosophy: nutrition doesn't have to be complicated, and obsessing over minor ingredients creates unnecessary stress and barriers to healthy eating.
By the end, listeners are reminded to approach health information with critical thinking, recognize predatory marketing tactics, and embrace moderation rather than extremism. As Rob and Liam conclude: take a deep breath, step back from overwhelming social media claims, and remember - it's all going to be fine. Don't be your worst.
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Welcome back to In Moderation and to start with, I just want to say, like some of you know, I've been going through a crap ton of stuff. I just want to say a big shout out to the people that have been like supportive of it, especially to the people who have donated to my GoFundMe, which I think we're at like one, two thirds of the way to fixing my truck and I'll be able to get back on the road again. But how are you doing, liam?
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm just listen, I'm doing great. I'm enjoying some Blue Diamond, almonds, salt and vinegar. I want to make sure. Hold on, let me just make sure I see oils in it. Ok, it says it's got all canola, safflower and or sunflower. See, I like that when they combine a bunch of different ones together. Make sure you hit all your bases, all your bases. Yep, exactly, exactly. But you know, I, yeah, I all the stuff that's just been going on with you, that is rough man, like everything's just breaking down and constantly not, let's just not going great, not going great, but like, as we say, you know, we try and we try and not be our worst and I'm, and I'm glad the little community to try and help out as much as we can. You get there One day at a time. All right, one day at a time.
Speaker 1:One day at a time.
Speaker 2:One day at a time. Well, what are we doing today, Rob?
Speaker 1:Since we're being busy this week, I figured we'll do another nice quick little debunk. I've got people scheduled. I wasn't able to get somebody for this week, which is fine, We'll just do some debunking.
Speaker 2:Yeah, always like that. It's fun just to laugh at these videos. I enjoy it.
Speaker 1:Pick a number between 1 and 11. 1 and 11.
Speaker 2:8 and a half.
Speaker 3:Oh, sorry, we're not doing halves 7.
Speaker 2:7. I feel like everyone picks seven when you say between. I feel like everyone picks seven when you say between one and ten. So I'm going to go with seven, eight and three quarters.
Speaker 5:There's only two genders. There's only two fucking genders. What the kids peeing in a litter box? You heard about that right.
Speaker 6:Oh why? Because they identified as a cat. Yes, they're called furries.
Speaker 5:Think they pee in? A litter box they wear a tail and they wear ears. Bro, I don't even know what a pronoun is.
Speaker 6:I don't know what it is I know you should have one in your bio, though mark a pronoun. Actually, if you're watching this right now, moving forward, I am going to request that you refer to me by my pronouns. It's going to be it's going to be king, legend or master.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I've seen a lot of this is a bunch of videos I had saved to personally respond to. I forgot that one was in there well the whole. Um, kids peeing in a litter box, that's uh. There's the reason there's litter boxes in us classes and that's because of it's not because kids are identifying as cats. It's because these classrooms have to have litter boxes so that kids can go to the bathroom if there's a shooter in the building and they have to be locked down. Is that why I actually didn't?
Speaker 2:know that. That is why, no kidding, that is partly fascinating but mostly just really sad. Yeah, it is, that's most that just bummed me out, that brought me down like 10 levels. I gotta, I gotta say, man, because a shoot like that's we just have to plan so much for shooters that we have to have litter boxes in in rooms, in classrooms. Fucking wild man that's America. I totally should that we have to have litter boxes in in rooms, in the classrooms, fucking wild man that's america?
Speaker 2:I totally should. I guess so, but I will say this fuck, if you've never seen jeremy's videos, the guy that was saying refer to me as king. God bless you. That's so awesome. You're doing great in life and you should really continue on, because that king and legend and whatever that's probably the opposite of what I would refer to. He is one of, just like maybe is he one of the OG grocery store walkers.
Speaker 1:One of them? Yeah, I feel like he's the.
Speaker 2:OG sun, your taint guy. Oh, did he start early with that? That checks out, that checks out. Yeah, for anybody he. He also does like a lot of things on like micro dosing and stuff and I'm like honestly like cool, like if that's your written like thing, I got. No, I got no issues there, but like he just goes around stores, just point. I remember like there was like, oh, he had a video go viral about like Cheerios and about how, like the American heart association paid for it to be like heart healthy on the box and like that took off and he gained a bunch of followers from that. But now he's just like he's losing views so he just has to be more extreme and like uh, cold water is ruining your digestion, don't drink out of plastic, it's just going, it's. It's kind of interesting to watch.
Speaker 1:It's a little sad but also kind of funny it's also really sad when people don't know what a pronoun is. The pronoun thing, yeah, especially because they're using pronouns in the sentence to say they don't know what a pronoun is, like I, you, we, those are all pronouns.
Speaker 2:No, those aren't the pronouns they're mad at, though they're not no.
Speaker 1:How dare somebody want to be called he or she or whatever?
Speaker 2:Right, those are the ones, those ones they're mad about all right, all right well let me give you, uh, five, five, five, five, five ketogenic diet is not a high fat diet.
Speaker 8:You don't have to lean into all your macronutrients coming from fat. Oh, okay now we have some recommendations, like when I talk about the ketobiotic diet which I wrote about in fast a Girl. I also wrote about it in the menopause reset Ketobiotic diet. We want you to lean into good fats. That's awesome, but you don't have to make fat your primary macronutrient.
Speaker 1:This is so good. I love this. That's literally the definition of a ketogenic diet.
Speaker 2:I love this video so much. That's amazing's amazing. Okay, listen like I shouldn't be surprised, because I've seen for you listening this I believe she's a chiropractor. I'm not 100 certain on that, but I believe she's a chiropractor?
Speaker 1:are you talking? I'll look it up I'm I'm like 90.
Speaker 2:Certain she's a chiropractor. I've seen her go on all the podcasts and she's talked about how fasting increases your testosterone by like a thousand percent and it just like strips fat off the body. You know all that stuff, so I shouldn't be surprised. But that is to say that the ketogenic diet you don't have to have your primary macronutrient be fat. That's literally what it is. That's what it was. That's literally what it is. That's what it was. I mean, what do you say to that?
Speaker 1:And you are 100% correct. She is a doctor of chiropractic.
Speaker 2:I mean you can just pretty much guess they're a chiropractor and at least half the time you'll be right. But I was pretty certain she was. Also because I've looked up and like thought about doing videos on it, but I'm like it's just like I. Here's my problem. When someone already makes themselves out to be so much of a joke, I don't know where to go with it. Right like it's like I'm trying to make fun of snl, like saturday night live. It's already like a skit comedy. How do you make fun of that? It's? It's nearly impossible. So I just never know exactly where to go, except to just play it and be like what, what do you do with this?
Speaker 1:Oh man, and for those who don't know, the original ketogenic diet, the one that's medically used, is like 90% of your macronutrient is fat, 90%.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was created to help children with seizures, epilepsy, epilepsy yeah, that's how I feel listening to these videos.
Speaker 1:But you know what I want to play the rest of this, because I feel like she's about to describe Wait, you can't tell me there's more? There's no way, I feel like she's about to describe eating in moderation. Oh God, okay, I'm going to try.
Speaker 8:Now what happens when people lean into too much fat on the ketogenic diet is sometimes they start to see cholesterol going up. So if you love fat you're an avocado fan, a nut butter fan you don't have to put all your focus on fat as the macronutrient when you come to the ketogenic diet. Think of fat as a blood sugar stabilizer. That's all it's doing is just keeping your blood sugar stable so that you're less hungry.
Speaker 1:So eat a little bit of fat and a little bit of everything else, In other words, eat in moderation.
Speaker 2:I like okay, all right, all right, all right, all right, all right. Do you think she actually believes this? Or is she just taking something popular like keto and all this shit and then trying to morph it into something, into like a more eat in moderation in order to get people to like listen to her? I would like to think it's the latter, because that would make me feel better than she actually believes that, like the keto diet you know is is not primary fat, because that's just absurd. Maybe because like, okay, okay, you remember oat zempic. Do you remember oat zempic? Yeah, so oat zempic was like oats are just as good as ozempic.
Speaker 2:And you, you take your oats epic every morning, where you blend oats and lime juice together and it makes you lose weight and I'm like, all right, obviously that's kind of silly, but like oats are are good for, you know, a weight loss. They can be definitely helpful. So, like, do we just take and go? Yeah, sure, this is oats. I think it'll help people get more oats in their diet. Keto you actually don't have to eat mostly fat, you can eat other things as well. I'm still doing keto, even though you're not, but like you're eating a more balanced diet as well, I'm still doing keto, even though you're not, but like you're eating a more balanced diet and justify the means, I'm gonna say that's what she's doing and that makes me feel a lot better and I'm much happier in that world.
Speaker 1:So that is where I'm going to live okay, we'll keep it on that and we'll move on to the next one yeah, three three losing fat is easy.
Speaker 4:Keeping it off is way harder. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Pretty much every single influencer you see on any platform likes to run around in gym clothes or shirtless. Their body weight fluctuates a lot throughout the year and they get paid to look good. And us normies, oh my God, we have so many disadvantages compared to them. Whatever your fat loss journey looks like, that actually finally makes it stick. Step one is probably going to be doing your best to not hate yourself as you are, however you are, whenever you are.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, I guess you, I picked this video because it's terrible.
Speaker 1:This is the worst video, obviously, that's fantastic, I love that this was a video that he actually tagged both of us in. That's why I downloaded it. I was going to respond to it and it had like very little views but it was like, yeah, no, this guy's once in a great while I'll see one of these videos hit the algorithm like fuck, yes, let's go.
Speaker 2:Finally some like realistic advice, but almost always people like yeah, okay, and then they just move on. You know I'm saying which, which kind of sucks, but um if yeah, for people listening. He also put a fuck v shred up on the screen which you know kudos for that, um, but like, and that's the thing with like.
Speaker 2:Yeah, these fitness influencers, they get money to maintain the body that they have. Like you you're not. You're not on the same playing field as them. Also, for a lot of them they'll do all of their filming and whatnot during a short period when they're like at their leanest, like they'll get down to their leanest, do a ton of filming, a ton of stuff, and then they just slowly post that throughout the year. So they don't have to maintain that, because even for someone who's getting paid and makes money off their physique, staying at that is still fucking rough and not fun. But they can say oh, look at me, I eat, I eat all of these calories and I still maintain this level of leanness. And you can find out how just buy blah, blah, blah, blah. So you buy my 90-day program.
Speaker 2:Usually programs might be a book, whatever it is 90-day programs are specifically formulated.
Speaker 1:yeah to, you do the 90-day, you associate the the progress with the program and then after about 90 days, after about three months, you lose progress. But it's been such a long time after the program that you no longer blame the program, you just blame yourself. And then you go back on the program or get their new program.
Speaker 2:Yep, and that's. You know, it's about making money and like. It's kind of like I don't hate the player, I hate the game.
Speaker 1:Well, I do hate the player a little bit, but I mostly and shout out to Concentric Clarity for that video, because absolutely the first step you need to do is stop hating yourself. There's so many times where people will be like I'll hate myself less if I lose the weight. You lose the weight, you still hate yourself, or they hate themselves into the body.
Speaker 2:They try and hate themselves into the body that they desire. I've seen so many comments like I need this toxic motivation. Give me the toxic motivation. Um so, and like I, I just long term. I just really worry about that, that motivation long term, because I I don't know if that's still going to motivate you 10 years down the road. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, all right. Uh, one, one, one. I'm going down in twos.
Speaker 8:Chickpeas make you blue Tons of anti-nutrients. Plus, if you soak it, it's still got phytates which are irritating to your gut. It contains more lectins than most foods. That puts holes in your belly and it seeps bad things in your bloodstream. Bad things.
Speaker 2:I only want good things, not bad things. Rob, what will I do?
Speaker 1:Uh-oh, I guess we better comment whatever she said.
Speaker 2:That's the thing it's like these videos. It's just kind of like you know, they're just like using the rage bait a little bit or whatever. So like people comment and then it just gets you know more views because people are like this is stupid and all that is like helping, and I mean absolutely.
Speaker 1:You're probably going to bloat if you eat a big bowl of chickpea pasta because of the amount of fiber in it.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Yeah, that's, that's also that's, and that's. The thing is, like you know we talk about all the time Americans don't get enough fiber. So like you get some of the fiber. I was recently planning on doing a video talking about the dragon fruit situation where people are eating, you know, a whole dragon food.
Speaker 2:Like this is going to make me shit my pants. And like it has what is it trying to have like five, six, seven grams of fiber in it, like it's not that much, but people just not use. And it's a lot of soluble fiber as well, which kind of like ferments in the gut and whatnot. So like I get that. But man, I've got a little bag of uh, lily's gummies that have like 25 grams of fiber. I'll eat a whole one and be fine, so it's, and that's still soluble fiber. So I think it's. I think they usually use all you, but they typically use all the fiber. But anyway, um, they. But then you can say like oh, because you were bloated, it's because it has lectins or whatever. Like don't eat raw beans. There you go, don't eat raw beans.
Speaker 2:Cook your pasta, cook your beans. Make sure you're from a can. That means they're already cooked. If they're in a can, then that's fine. Just don't eat fucking raw beans. Problem solved, oh shit. Now I have to go back up Two.
Speaker 5:Two Just go back up. Let's do an experiment. I'm wearing this continuous glucose monitor monitor and I want to see how pasta affects my blood sugar, and I'll be eating three different types.
Speaker 1:This traditional wheat pasta, a red lentil. We already know the results of this, right. You can already tell like there have been so many videos of people doing this, not to mention like studies. You did not need to go out and get a continuous blood glucose monitor that actual people with actual diabetes needs and a lot of them are having trouble getting them because they're expensive, right?
Speaker 2:counterpoint, counterpoint. How would I see his protein powder in the background then if he didn't make this video?
Speaker 1:oh, that's fair. I mean, all right, there's two there's a couple of them.
Speaker 2:He looks like he's got some good flavor. Yeah, the continuous glucose. Are you still playing this? Are we just talking about this fucking of them? He looks like he's got some good flavor. Yeah, the continuous glucose. Are you still playing this? Or are we just talking about this fucking nonsense? It's going to be pretty obvious. The Miracle Noodles are just what's that? Shirataki? Whatever it is, it's basically just fiber. That's all it is. They have like 10 calories per serving. I wonder if that's going to spike your blood sugar.
Speaker 1:Probably not. I don't feel like we need to go through the entire thing.
Speaker 5:I'll just quickly scroll through and see if there's anything of note. Okay, let's skip to the last. Sure, let's see the comment section right now. Congrats, bobby. You have a healthy, functioning body and pancreas. But the truth is, two-thirds of Americans are either pre-diabetic or diabetic, and that is a health crisis. So if this experiment can help just one person, mission accomplished Are two-thirds of American pre-diabetic or diabetic?
Speaker 2:I actually don't. I'd have to look, I'd want to.
Speaker 1:That could be correct, but that seems that does seem a little high, and by all means he could have just shown a study. He didn't have to go out and buy a glucose monitor. Actually, he's being sponsored by that glucose monitor yeah, right, right, right, right, right right.
Speaker 2:Probably by miracle noodles as well. I don't know, maybe not, but like that's. I've seen miracle noodles but like those sort of ones sponsor a lot of people because like, yeah, it is low in calories and it has like lots of fiber. That's all great, but it tastes like, oh boy, if wet rubber bands had sex with erasers and had a baby. That's sort of what like the miracle noodles taste like to me. They're just completely rubbery and downright awful. Like you can maybe like do the whole like cauliflower rice, mix it with regular rice to like bulk it up a little bit. Maybe you could get away with adding some of it to your to pasta.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they don't really soak up any flavor into them.
Speaker 2:They can't really flavor them it's, and they're expensive too. They're like five, six dollars for like a small, small little pack. I'm gonna do a hard pass on them.
Speaker 1:On the the shirataki noodles no, I've never tried frying them. I wonder if you could fry them.
Speaker 2:That's how it takes. Better. It's like you add calories back into it. Yeah, maybe I I, I don't know Give it. You try that and let us know I wasn't. I said three. What did we do?
Speaker 1:All right, give me a new number.
Speaker 2:I think I'm going to say four now.
Speaker 1:You know what, here, here, I'll delete the ones that we've gone through, so you have a fresh start.
Speaker 2:I already forgot Number four.
Speaker 1:All right.
Speaker 7:Number four is this one Are you using Kirkland baby wipes on your baby's bottom? They're being sued for something you should know about no chlorine, alcohols, dyes, parabens, phthalates. They're also fragrance-free. That sounds great, but here's the problem and where they got it wrong. It says made with naturally derived ingredients and when they tested these, they have forever chemicals which can obviously transfer to your child and into their bloodstream, and that's why they're being sued. So what do I look for in a baby wipe? A lot of these same things fragrance-free, none of those phthalates. But what I don't like is all these ingredients you can get baby. No ingredients, just one to three ingredients obviously use those natural
Speaker 7:fibers. I like bamboo fiber. Tara makes a great version and they have really non-toxic preservatives that only have two to three ingredients.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna look up how much that costs because, like whenever they do, you look how much that costs yeah, I'm always curious.
Speaker 1:The price difference, like suing something, doesn't mean anything. You can sue over whatever you want, and what happens with these is like they put on the whole made with natural ingredients and stuff, but the fact of the matter is that there are pfas and all these other chemicals that are just inherently in everything. Because they are polluted in nature, they are going to exist, yeah. And so when somebody says made with all natural ingredients, when they do the analysis of it and they see that there's pfas or something in there, they instantly jump to sue because oh, it's got 0.0001 non-natural ingredients. You are lying on your label.
Speaker 2:Oh, you know what this is? Okay, ready for this. I looked up there. They have bamboo baby wipes, manuka honey, a 12 pack, you want to know. And there's only 70 wipes in a pack, so it's not like the giant packs. You know what I'm saying. You want to know how much this costs, do I want to know? No, but I'm going to tell you anyway. $71.40. Jeez For a pack of 12. But, rob, rob, rob, you can subscribe and save and it's only $64.26 every two weeks. Oh, okay, only $64.26.
Speaker 2:This is the sort of shit that pisses me off, because anything that has to do with people trying to take care of their children, especially babies, like infant formula and baby wipes, like you're, like it's, it's fucking tough being a parent. I get it and like these people, just they insist on trying to make you feel like a shitty parent. Well, you got to buy this. That costs $71 for 12 pack. Get the fuck out of here. There's no way I'm buying. I do okay, I'm not rich, but I do okay on social media and everything. I'm not buying Manuka Honey, fucking bamboo baby wipes for $71.40.
Speaker 1:Holy shit, I was trying to look if I could see the price on that in the video, but I'm guessing it's under $30. I don't know much about baby wipes and I was trying to look if I could see the price on that in the video, but I'm guessing it's under 30.
Speaker 2:I don't know much about baby wipes and that was like a mega huge Costco, fucking you know pack. So, yeah, it's not even it's God, it's expensive Fucking be. I'm just, I hate. I hate when they talk about like the fucking, that's the thing that just boils my piss. I hate when they talk about like the fucking, that's the thing that just boils my piss the fucking infant formula and like baby wipes and all these things like food pouches. Don't get these food patches. You got to. You got to fucking buy the what's that Farms one. I don't even. I don't even know what the expensive brands are called, but they're like $4 a food pouch. I'm like are you shitting me $4 for a single food pouch? Who is, besides, you know the fucking supplement selling? You know bobbies out there who can afford that shit Damn Like.
Speaker 1:It's something that I never really think about being Canadian, where people up here can have children without going into debt, but down in the US no kidding it costs an arm and a leg to have a child.
Speaker 2:Oh shit, if you don't have, like, good insurance, oh shit, yeah, it's bad, it's bad, it's bad. I I need to get off this topic. How about 11?
Speaker 1:well, since I deleted all the other ones, we're down to six, six waits we're only down to.
Speaker 2:We only have six left we only have six left. Okay, let's go to six whole greek yogurt.
Speaker 9:It's processed. The moment you add that layer of blueberry jam or whatever ultra sweetened stuff, added sugar stuff, now it's ultra processed. But even like the simplest whole greek yogurt, it's processed. How do you go from processed whole yogurt to ultra processed? You remove the fat.
Speaker 9:A lot of people don't know this, because what happens when you remove the fat from yogurt? The whole thing collapses. It doesn't have the mouthfeel of yogurt. So you know what manufacturers do. They put additives, emulsifiers, to build back that thick mouthfeel of rich yogurt. Those emulsifiers carrageenan, polysorbate 80, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Those are the additives that we're beginning to realize are not so good for us and like, for example, carrageenan, which actually originally comes from seaweed, so you'd think it'd be natural they synthesize carrageenan. It's been shown recently to cause gut inflammation. You get enough gut inflammation, you got leaky gut. Yogurt is one of those dairy products that is unquestionably healthy and it's been historically observed that way. The difference between the processed healthy type versus the ultra processed type is a subtlety that is actually hard to even think about unless you know about it.
Speaker 2:So this is the value of just checking the ingredients I think the value is not listening to people on podcasts. I think that's besides us, only us. Then no other podcasts. Oh shit, like, there's just so many fucking rules, right, like, and that's the thing it's like. You can look up the research.
Speaker 2:Like low-fat dairy consistently linked with positive health outcomes. It's perfectly fine. I've seen benefits to both high-fat and low-fat dairy. People ask me this you know pretty decently. Like you know what about fat? Like low-fat dairy. People ask me this you know pretty decently. Like. You know what about fat. Like isn't that helpless satiety? Yeah, absolutely so. Whole fat is great. It does add more calories, um, quite a bit. So, like, if you're trying to keep a low calorie, a lot of people will go with the non-fat because it's like 90 calories and what? 18 grams of protein? Right, that's just easy to get, because we're always talking about protein to get more protein in. That's a very low calorie, high protein item that's pretty versatile to help you get your protein in. But then they people come along no, you can't have this. So then, like you're getting the one that has like 200 calories plus whatever it is, and now it's like tougher to age your protein goals and like it's just god damn man, it's gonna depend on your overall diet yeah, just make it work for you.
Speaker 2:Whatever, it's fine. I am a. I am a light and fit fan. I like this. It's low. It's low fat. I think it's nonfat, actually. And they add in oh, my delicious sucralose the best, my beloved artificial sweeteners. It makes it taste sweet. They got good flavors. Toasted marshmallow Fuck yeah, toasted marshmallow is so good.
Speaker 1:Strawberry cheesecake Put strawberry cheesecake, put that shit in my blood. It's so good. Uh see, with my yogurt.
Speaker 2:I prefer to go with a natural sweetener and grate some lead on it. I can see what type of lead are you going with. Do you have like? Do you just like I have like a big brick that you slow, that you slowly grate from, that you'll have for years oh, yeah, yeah, no, I've I.
Speaker 2:You know, I got my forge out back and I just like melt down all this lead and all right, I wanted to make sure you didn't go with the pre-shredded great, with the pre-shredded lead, because that has stuff added to it to keep it like no, yeah, yeah, okay, we're good for those of you who don't know our ancestors, when we're talking about natural sweeters, our ancestors would, grate, lead over their food to sweeten it because lead is a little bit sweet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sugar of lead is like an actual thing and they would boil in like Rome. They would boil wine to make wine. They would boil it in like lead-lined vessels and that would impart the sugar of lead I think lead acetate I believe and that would make it taste a little sweet. So, yeah, like everyone in ancient Rome had like lead poisoning.
Speaker 1:Yeah, good old natural sweeteners that's. And for anybody new here, sweeteners over lead any day. For anybody new here, carrageenan the um, the uh bad form of that is called polygenin. In order to create polygenin, you have to expose carrageenan to an extremely acidic environment. Carrageenan in your food isn't gonna hurt you it comes again, comes like.
Speaker 2:He even says it comes from seaweed. It's fine, it's it's fine now, like again. Everyone has like reactions to certain things and people always say like, oh, that artificial sweetener, this uh additive makes my tummy hurt, or whatever. Like, okay, totally get it. Then you might want to avoid that, but for most, most, it's fine Whatever works for you.
Speaker 1:And again it comes down to what your individual diet requires.
Speaker 2:And that's the thing we get, like attacked for all the time, like you want people to consume all of these terrible additives. I want people to not have to fucking worry. And if they want to have it and they want to have something that has those things in it, it's fine, and if they don't want to have that, it's also fine. Whatever, you know, fuck it.
Speaker 2:Remove the barriers, man. There's already enough shit. Oh no, I gotta eat only whole fat yogurt and farm-raised salmon, and I can't use these baby wipes. And what's this ketogenic diet? Fat but not fat. Okay, I guess I'll figure that out Like who the fuck knows, like you're just creating. If you list all these people, you would have legitimately nothing fucking left. Nothing fucking left.
Speaker 3:You'd have nothing left, all right, give us another number, oh uh nine, we'll go with five. Okay, high protein milks are a new thing we're going to see a lot more of, which in principle is a great idea because it's a much more natural way to get high protein without all the artificial sweeteners and gums and additives that most protein shakes put in them. So from that perspective, it's good. From the perspective of its skim milk, not a fan and what you see, the way they've made this means it actually increases the sugar content as well as the protein content. So this is 8.4 grams of sugar compared to 4.7 in normal whole milk. So that's an 85% increase in the sugar content to get more protein in it. So something like this I wouldn't actually buy.
Speaker 1:I'm just massively face bombing right now.
Speaker 2:I love the 84%. You know, when it's like a jump. Instead of just saying like it's four grams, which is quite little, you say it's an 84% increase. To make it sound worse this is grade school math.
Speaker 1:Okay, if you have three things that are, you know you've got your fat, you've got your carbs, you've got your protein. They're all in there. If you take out the fat, then the ratio of carbs and proteins that are in there are going to increase. Yep, just by the virtue of you removed one of the ingredients.
Speaker 2:We've got a few things. So if you remove one thing, and that's like the ketogenic diet, people are like so you're like, eat more, they remove carbs, so they eat more protein. Like you remove one thing, there's just other things that good fucking are just gonna go up like it's and like really milk. Like is this the problem? If you think again, it comes back to this are people unhealthy because they're consuming too much high protein milk? What do you think, rob, is the problem that we're all having is too much high protein milk it must be.
Speaker 1:I mean, I, I'm gonna have to dial back. That's. That's. One of my favorite things is high protein milk. I wake up.
Speaker 2:Every morning I wake up two glasses before I go to bed. Four glasses, just too much. I can't stop with a high protein milk, oh shit man. And fucking tonic. Health is a trip, that guy, he's another one of the class, but he's like the uk, uh, you know, uh, grocery store walker so it's nice to see the uk jeremy awakens. Yeah, he's the uk, jeremy. It's nice to see that. Like it's not just america, like you know. Are there any canadian grocery store walkers?
Speaker 1:like I don't know if I can think of one that I that I that I I can't think of any off the top of my head.
Speaker 2:I'm sure there is some ones, but like like grocery store workers, I don't know, maybe you guys just have less good for you maybe our stores are actually smart enough to kick them out get out of here. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:milk, shut up I think it's the fact that it's just cold here so it's impossible to grocery store walk with the shirt off I would love to see one of the people like filming, just like in the store.
Speaker 2:I'm not gonna like attack them, but I would love to just mess up their recording any way I could.
Speaker 1:I I just kind of walk in the background making stupid faces and I would go with the sounds.
Speaker 2:I would stand, just stand beside them, just like they're just like trying to film while you're just making weird bird noises or whatever. That would be awesome.
Speaker 1:Oh, that'd be great. I'd pay for that. I'd pay to see that.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying, Like time well spent. Like you know, there's times I've spent a lot. I've wasted a lot of time doing things. That would be time that just I would cherish.
Speaker 1:I would cherish that. All right, so the next GoFundMe we have will be to get Liam a plane ticket to Bobby's area so that he can follow Bobby around and go oh yeah, I would love Eggie.
Speaker 2:I'd like to be in Eggie's video at some point. Definitely CarnivoreMD. No, sorry, he's not CarnivoreMD anymore. Sorry, I forgot he's not Carnivore MD anymore. Sorry, I forgot he's not Carnivore because the Carnivore diet's bad according to Carnivore.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, Former.
Speaker 1:Carnivore MD.
Speaker 2:He's Paul Saladino. I'd love to be just off in a Paul Saladino video. All of that would be great. Do we have any more, or is that it? We got four left. Okay, next one.
Speaker 1:I'm done.
Speaker 10:Oh sorry we got OK when India, which is largely, but not entirely, vegetarian, when they ate a lot of dairy fat, ghee is clarified butter. I'd made ghee famous in the US by putting in coffee. Well, they didn't have all this diabetes, all this heart attack stuff. It was only when American companies came to India and then we convinced them to get rid of their traditional oils to have healthy vegetable oil and charge them more for it, that obesity skyrocketed. So we know that it's seed oils that are causing diabetes and even cancer wow, that's a fucking jump and a half right there I remember, so I downloaded that one a while ago.
Speaker 1:I remember looking into it and the correlation did not match up. But then that comes down to the fact that, again, you can find things that correlate with each other all over the place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, also like the fact that, like you know, when seed oil consumption went up, also the you know consumption of ultra processed foods went up Also, we lived more sedentary lives that started increasing. So, like again, you can narrow it down and look at one specific thing, but it's probably just more the fact that lots of ultra-precious foods and not moving enough. Yep, yeah, he's trying to try to figure it out.
Speaker 1:I was trying to look at, trying to figure, find if I could quickly see where it was, um dave asprey I made here it was okay, so the there's a breakdown of the individual provinces in india and how much seed oil each one actually consumes, and some of the ones with the highest seed oil consumption actually had the lower diabetes prevalence yeah.
Speaker 2:But if you just claim that it happens, you know most people on the video will just believe you. It's fine, especially if you wear those glasses. Oh yeah, if you don't see, dave asprey always wears the those like yellow glasses which are just like you wear whatever you want, but that's a bit of a red flag. Whenever I see those, I'm like I immediately don't trust whatever you're about to tell me all right, you're not trusting whatever somebody's about to tell me.
Speaker 4:Speaking of not trusting whatever somebody's about to tell me Ready to eat roast chicken.
Speaker 9:Ingredients Chicken breast, corn flour, brown sugar, textures, stabilizers. Wake the fuck up.
Speaker 4:Make your own fucking chicken.
Speaker 2:Did you make our own chicken? Do I have to go out and kill it? Do I have to like, get a rope or whatever? However, you catch chickens however, you catch chickens.
Speaker 1:I like that okay so for those listening. Um, he doesn't say this, but there's a typography on the top of the video. Three types of sugar in roast chicken. Yeah, is the third type of sugar in the room with us yeah, I mean, I see you argue dextrose brown sugar, dextrose brown sugar stabilizersxtrose brown sugar Stabilizers Is the third sugar the friend we made along the way.
Speaker 2:Who can? And again, what's, how much sugar? Of which is sugar Less than 0.5 grams?
Speaker 1:Oh no, Less than 0.5 grams. That's going to be poisoning me 0.5 grams.
Speaker 2:Fuck me man, oh man.
Speaker 1:Is this what's killing us?
Speaker 2:is? It is the chicken with less than 0.5 grams of sugar in your chicken. And this is the thing. It's not like you here's the thing is, like these, these false equivalencies, like you're saying like oh, it's this chicken or a fucking, you know farm-raised chicken that I killed myself, no, the choice is like this. Or candy bar, like these are the like choices are yeah, it's this or kfc like these are going to be the the choices that people make.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, how about you take just go with the one that has point less than 0.5 grams of sugar, and I mean it's the sugar's not even there to flavor it at that low of thing. It's just there for to help with the uh, with the browning on the skin.
Speaker 3:Make it a little crispier.
Speaker 1:Oh no, it tastes better. Oh eggy, oh eggy. All right, here we go Last one. Oh wait, no, not last one, because we got no audio, not last one. Never mind, that was actually a video I had to send to somebody else.
Speaker 2:That was not a video that I was going to respond to. Great, because that's the thing.
Speaker 2:You get so many videos like I just have like 500 favorite videos and I'm just like I, there's just no way I'm gonna get all to all of this stuff. Yeah, oh, it's just, it's just, and this thing is like there's just so much fucking nonsense out there, like the only thing you really do is like this you know, you just kind of laugh at it, have some fun, because I can't just like cover everything. People ask me all the time what about this, what about that, how about you? Calm down? That's what I'm going to respond to you it's going to be deep breath.
Speaker 1:Take a step back from the social media, unless it's ours and that's our.
Speaker 2:Listen to our podcast and watch our videos, and that's it, because it's just. You'll get just completely overwhelmed. So I'd say, just ignore those videos. That's the best thing you can do. Don't engage with them, don't comment, don't watch them all the way through. Just keep swiping, yeah, yeah, like fucking moderation. Man, enjoy your life, it's fine, it's all going to be fine and don't be your worst.
Speaker 1:Don't be your worst.
