In Moderation
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In Moderation
The Truth Behind Vaccine Myths with Dr. Jon
What if everything you've heard about vaccines is wrong? Or maybe just wildly misunderstood? Dr. John, a Canadian internist who works at a major teaching hospital, joins us to cut through the noise and explain what's really happening with vaccine misinformation.
From the fascinating origins of vaccines (did you know the word comes from "vacca" meaning cow?) to the most persistent myths circulating today, Dr. John provides clear, evidence-based explanations that make complex immunology accessible. We dive deep into why Andrew Wakefield's infamous autism study was retracted, how the "turbo cancer" conspiracy theory defies basic science, and why giving Hepatitis B vaccines to infants makes perfect sense despite what critics claim.
The conversation takes unexpected turns as we explore how anti-vaccine narratives exploit normal death rates to create fear, why RFK Jr.'s definition of autism is wildly inaccurate, and how the difference between long and short incubation viruses explains why some vaccines seem more effective than others. Dr. John even explains how the "died suddenly" narrative falls apart when you apply simple analytical methods to the data.
Most powerfully, we confront the common argument of "what did people do before vaccines?" with the stark reality: they died, often in massive numbers. This eye-opening discussion reveals how herd immunity protects the most vulnerable among us and why maintaining high vaccination rates matters for everyone, not just those receiving the vaccine.
Whether you're curious about vaccine science, concerned about misinformation, or just want to understand how to evaluate health claims critically, this episode provides the tools to separate fact from fiction in an increasingly confusing information landscape. Follow Dr. John on social media @dr.john.l on TikTok and @dr.john.lx on Instagram for more science-based insights that cut through the noise.
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Welcome back to In Moderation. We're on episode 69 plus 14, I believe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you go with it, because I got no clue.
Speaker 1:And today we've brought on this is very special because he is a Canadian doctor. So all you American people you know who are like, oh, american doctors are out for the money and all that. I brought a Canadian on, so you can't use that excuse no, they still will they still leave for another couple of months.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm sure isn't that when canada's being ushered into the united states?
Speaker 1:I don't know how long danger danger, oh my god oh, dude, did you see? Did you see carney and trump? Every time trump brought up the 51st state thing, carney was just like no, no, never and he kept hearing it up.
Speaker 2:He's like, no, just let it go, not happen. I haven't seen much besides my daughter yelling at me and looking for toys and then finding other toys and then hiding those toys. That's pretty much all I see.
Speaker 1:It's actually like my cats so, john, why don't you introduce yourself?
Speaker 2:uh, I'm dr john. On social media I am a general internist in a major hospital, teaching hospital here in Canada, so I teach residents, work in a large hospital in the wards as well as a pretty busy clinic including immigrants and refugees and online I basically debunk misinformation. A lot of it related to vaccines, covid and other health issues.
Speaker 1:There's definitely a lot of misinformation around vaccines, especially with the good old Bobby Brainworm.
Speaker 2:Bobby.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, no, I mean, he's conducting that thing right. He got that guy who's very well-educated and he's going to figure it all out. I'm sure it'll be fine.
Speaker 1:I'm sure they won't find anything wrong with vaccines. We'll know the root cause of autism in about three months now.
Speaker 2:September. Right, bro, we're counting down. We're so close to knowing what causes autism and fixing it apparently Right and fixing it Right.
Speaker 1:Yep man, this administration, man Apparently Right and fixing grades.
Speaker 2:Right, yep man, this administration, man, like we're getting Canada, we're fixing autism. I mean, what is there to complain about? You know what I'm saying? You renamed the Gulf. I don't like the Gulf. That's cool. I missed Freedom Prize, but other than that, I mean it was fine. Like you should see his administration. They added Vinay Prasad is the head of vaccines. Now he is a hematological oncologist who was a contrarian during COVID. He doesn't know anything about vaccines.
Speaker 2:Of course they added Tracy Beth Hogue to the ACIP committee, who is a physiatrist and has no idea about vaccines. They added, of course, Jay Bhattacharya, in charge of the NIH, who is not a practicing doctor and is actually an economist. And they added Oma Kari is in charge of the FDA, who is a surgeon, who is the source of the medical errors. The third leading cause of death garbage study.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Yep, wow, that's your A team. What's Uncle Salmon? Isn't he a part of it? I feel like I don't know what part, salmon, isn't he a part of it? Like, I feel like I don't know what part, but I feel like he's part of it somewhere. And then, of course, rfk Jr is the head of the whole thing. Oh, and, and Oz is the head of Medicare.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's right. Did you guys have Oz?
Speaker 2:And he's. He was a cardiologist, right, cardiac surgeon, cardiac surgeon, okay, sorry, cardiac. So there we go. Problem, listen, we got the a team. Yeah, my favorite episode of dr oz is when you try to sell you a herb instead of thyroid hormone for thyroid problems. Oh, that's, how is that more natural? I liked, um, I mean, there's so many good dr oz ones, but I like the tea, the green tea, and like dark chocolate for like weight loss. Those, those are really good. I like those Classic. And then he was like some herb for hypertension and I'm like so after you do cardiac surgery on a patient, you recommend they take this herb instead of their blood pressure meds.
Speaker 1:You just rub it. Is that what you're?
Speaker 2:telling me you just like rub it where, like the cut was, you just put it there, it just sees it. Oh, I remember he did one on like saturated fat too. How, like he got a little bit into the seed oils as well, like even before the big seed oil thing happened, like he was before then, and he brought people over like, yeah, no, saturated fats are what you want. And I'm like, all right, this is going to go off. I feel like how, like big pharma wants to keep people sick. Like a cardiac surgeon telling you to eat more saturated fats might be a little on the nose, creating the problem and selling the solution right exactly he's like oh, these bypasses are awesome man like you know how much one of those costs.
Speaker 2:It's great yeah oh, that's awesome. Um, well, yeah, I mean. So tell us about like vaccines. They're like super evil and they're gonna to like kill you or something, right, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:How big is the microchip that they implant?
Speaker 2:I actually had to do a video on that how the smallest microchip we have right now can't actually fit through the vaccine syringe, so I don't know how they're actually injecting it into people.
Speaker 1:I wish we could have like microchips that small that we could our animals with Right. I wish we could have like microchips that small that we could our animals with Right. Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 2:There's some experimental ones, but they're not in mass production or anything now. So the actual syringe diameter that we use for vaccines, the microchip can actually fit through it.
Speaker 1:I mean, like what gauge of needle?
Speaker 2:I think it's a 28. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's. That's a very small diameter.
Speaker 2:It's a pretty small one to them. That's yeah, that's a very small diameter. It's a pretty small one According to them. That's what they say, but I'm sure they're just pulling out whatever is in the drawer and they just throw it in there and see what happens, of course.
Speaker 1:The 12 gauge I often get my vaccine shot with a 12 gauge needle. What are you talking about?
Speaker 2:Just like a skin biopsy, oh God. Okay, so I learned a little bit about, uh, how vaccine started, like the history of vaccines and like so, um, it started with, uh, smallpox was like one of the first vaccines or maybe the first vaccine, where, like there was a guy. He noticed that there was these milkmaids and they had all these sores on their hands, like what's up with those, and they're like, oh, we get this out, we're milking cows, and and it turns out that was like cow pox. And so he was like, oh, he realized if people get cow pox, they can't get smallpox. So what if we just like give people cow pox?
Speaker 2:Right, and I'm pretty sure like vaccine comes from like the word vaca, meaning cow or something like that. It's been a while since I looked it up, but there's something like that. And so he just started. He's like like, hey, let's just give people cowpox. And you know, I'm gonna be honest and with this administration, I feel like we should just go back to that sort of stuff like this, this whole like science natural immunity, yeah, natural immunity.
Speaker 2:Instead of going like, okay, we've, we've distilled this and we've purified it and bloody, bloody. All this science, technical bullshit that no one cares about, why don't we just give people like the disease, like in a smaller amount, and say like, then you can't get it worse later in the future? I feel like more people would sign up for that, and they there's actually evidence that they did that even before, like in russia during the plague and during smallpox, and these are some african societies that also would inoculate with like dead tissue from somebody that was sick. I heard one like in china there was one.
Speaker 2:They would like grind, grind up the pox like the actual, because the pox are like the things that are like on your body you know right, they would like grind that up into like a dust and people would either snort it or drink it or I don't know how they get it into their body somehow and that would like give them the disease. But like you only had like a small, you had a much smaller percent chance of dying from cowpox. You did smallpox and you're like, if I get smallpox I'm kind of fucked, so might as well just roll the dice with cowpox and see how that shit goes.
Speaker 2:But like what if us from smallpox in russia, so people, people would die from that, but well, yeah well, not great, but like what?
Speaker 2:okay, okay, we offer it as an alternative. Okay for all the people like I don't want to get the vaccine, we'll just give you straight up the disease and like a small. All right, there might be some ethical issues, but I feel like with our administration we can bypass that sort of stuff. Right, it's the more natural route. If we sell it as that, I think more, I think we could get these people who are anti-vax to sign up for just like getting the disease, and then they'd be inoculated.
Speaker 1:And well, we're still kind of.
Speaker 2:I've seen them get there on Twitter. They're like oh, vaccines are poison, blah, blah, blah. Why can't we just give a weaker form of the disease to protect us and get natural? I'm like you know, you can't explain that to them. You can't explain that. You just work. Listen, you can't beat stupid, you have to just work with it. Like you've got these guidelines right that you're working around. Are the guidelines dumb? Of course they are, but we're working with them right. So we're just like. You want the disease Fine Line up. We got this kid. He's just going to lick every single one of you and you know.
Speaker 1:Then you go home and just wait, exactly it's. It's that's like the measles parties and the chicken parties. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:Do not do measles parties, by the way don't give people diseases on purpose is that what? You're saying it. Does that go against, like the hippocratic oath or some stupid shit? Yeah, it's pretty unethical. It's pretty unethical man, fucking hippocratic oath, always ruining all the fun in medicine. It is, it is.
Speaker 1:It's all these ethics keeping us no harm bloody bloody blah.
Speaker 2:We're actually this is completely off topic, but isn't it like the do no harm, like isn't that an issue they're having with, uh, putting criminals like to death because they can't have like a doctor do it because the doctor like took the hippocratic oath of like do no? Harm yeah, we can't. We can't do that. So they have to just get some dude like hey, jeremy, do you know how to like squeeze your fingers together?
Speaker 2:come grab this I'm not sure who actually does it, but yeah, it's, that's wild man. The hippocratic oath is also kind of outdated for some reasons, because it's mostly a balance of harms and benefits. Right, because if I give you chemotherapy for cancer, I'm obviously going to do harm.
Speaker 2:You're gonna have diarrhea, you're gonna get nerve pain. You know your hair is gonna fall out, your white count's gonna drop. However, the risk of the cancer is so high that you would take the risk of the, the chemo. So, straight up do no harm. Doesn't really work in medicine anymore. It's more of a balance where what you're doing is less adequate amounts of harm.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, as little as you can do a little harm to do less harm than you do good yeah, you want to balance the risk and benefit of the intervention with whatever it doesn't flow as well, I'll give it that. I think people might have problem getting that on. Like you know, plaques or whatever they put the hippocratic oath on, I don't know. Just balance it, do you in moderation.
Speaker 2:I was just about to say do harm in moderation, yeah, so we don't go for trying harm, but we know that some things can cause harm, but then you have to balance it and you have to inform the patient basically of what the risks are. Okay, so, like vaccines, exactly, they can do harm, right, like some people have like adverse reactions to them and that's why we tell people to never get vaccines, correct, yeah, exactly. Well, what we do if we're an anti-vaxxer is we completely minimize the risk of the disease and pretend it doesn't harm anybody and then we completely maximize the risk of the vaccine so we can scare people as much as possible. Exactly, it's like what, what's what do?
Speaker 2:you know, like what's the rate of like uh advert? Like serious adverse effects and like vaccines it depends on the vaccine there's some that are more harmful. The covid vaccine was pretty low. It was under uh. From what I heard on fox news, that's true it was. It was very low uh. If you actually look at deaths in canada, we had six actually confirmed to be from the vaccine. What they like to do is they like to look at the reported ones, because you had to report any death that occurred following vaccination right, which is something you have to look at like.
Speaker 2:in the united states, 8 000 people die a day, so if you're vaccinating millions of people within a short period of time, there are some people that are just going to die on the day of the vaccine and that was going to happen regardless, which is why you have to do all these safety signal looking and actually look at the patterns and how frequent the causes of deaths are and how likely it is to have occurred from the vaccine Sounds like a lot of new ones.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, that doesn't really.
Speaker 2:They just like to post the number and be like 500,000 deaths after the vaccine and like reported Reported after the vaccine. There's more work you need to do.
Speaker 1:And how many of those were 90 years old.
Speaker 2:They're all over the age spectrum. The other thing I like to show if you actually go into that database, the number of pregnancies following the vaccine also increased. And they like to claim that the COVID vaccines make you sterile. And I'm like well, if you believe the COVID vaccine caused all these deaths, because they're reported in this database, you must also believe the COVID vaccine causes pregnancy, because the number of pregnancies reported in the database skyrocketed with the COVID vaccines. Yeah, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1:That's hilarious.
Speaker 2:So that just shows what we call stimulated reporting. So you watch the news, you hear about a new vaccine, you change the criteria for reporting the vaccine, you hand out handouts to people as they're getting the vaccine, saying hey, if you have something bad happen to, you go to this website and suddenly a bunch of new reports come in. So it's the jump in the number of reports following the code vaccine. It's not because the code vaccine's so bad, it's because we told people please report any side effects so we can evaluate the safety of these vaccines. But like, why, why don't you do that? As like a selling point like you could get, like this makes you more, uh, the virta, virta, virta, whatever that word is right.
Speaker 1:This can cause immaculate conception it can cause. It can cause pregnancy if you are like, well, let's work also for stupid creatures like I don't know if you've you heard the story.
Speaker 2:There was like a guy who who got people into, um, he was a doctor. I mean this was back when doctors were like ah, just a doctor, you just say it. And he would like put a like a goat testicle in people's scrotums. Like this was a real thing, that happened. Like he wouldn't put it all the way in there oh, you got to look it up, it's a fascinating story Like because you know, goats are always like horny, right, and so like he would just sell people and like, look at the goat, you want to be more like, you know, like a goat, yeah.
Speaker 2:And so he would, yeah, no, he would literally, Mostly he would just like take the outer scrotum, just the skin, and just kind of like, just kind of place it in there, and he would tell them like I'm hooking it up to all the hooks and levers and like all the things in there. But he didn't do any of that. He would just like, you know, just kind of, yeah, there, that's good, sew it up. And then he would like pay them to say that you know, oh, my gosh, I'm so much better. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then he put like so many goat testicles, you know, like like little baby goat testicles.
Speaker 1:That's exactly what I'd. What I'd want is some rotting goat flesh to be placed into my testicles.
Speaker 2:It's thousands of people on that. If he can, do that Sounds like a carnivore MD type thing. I mean, we're not too far off. He did say, like if you eat, you know, a part of an animal like liver, it heals your liver, Right. So like you know, that's not that far off. Yeah, Like, yeah, no, he found it in an old German book.
Speaker 1:I don't know if you saw that one, but it was in an old German book. Yeah, if you eat like a heart.
Speaker 2:It heals your heart, blah, blah blah. I don't go to psychiatrists for medical advice.
Speaker 1:That's where you're going wrong. That's your problem.
Speaker 2:Physiology. My favorite consult from psychiatry is please see this person for hep A, because they have blood work showing immunity to hep A. And you're so polite and everything. You're like, okay, I'll go see them, I'll talk to them, we'll do the consult, and I'm like, yeah, she's from another country that has lots of hepe and had hepe as a child and is immune. You're welcome. House, play the house music as like got this, um, but yeah. So my point was like if we can get people, if they can get people to believe like goat testicles did that, like we can, we can get people on board with like take the vaccines and you're more fertile just saying just saying I think it would work.
Speaker 2:And the placebo effect is is a strong effect. Hell, yeah, like, isn't the placebo effect still in effect, even if you tell people it's a placebo effect, even if you like tell them like, hey, this placebo, it still works to some degree. That's how powerful it is. It can, yeah, and so the other thing that's powerful is the nocebo effect. Right, because if you look at the covid vaccine trials, there were a bunch of people that got saline that reported adverse reactions. Right, okay, right, right, because they thought they were getting the vaccine. Yeah, so they reported symptoms that could be consistent with the vaccination body aches, pain at the site, all these kind of common symptoms for post-vaccine.
Speaker 1:And saline also causes that, or no? No, okay.
Speaker 2:Saline, can cause harm, though, if you give enough of it. Well, yeah, I mean water can cause enough harm. You drink enough? Of it, so you know it's kind of the name of the game.
Speaker 1:Which goes along with their.
Speaker 2:Oh, you don't use a proper placebo unless you use saline. Well, it's not true. It has to be inert at the dose given, which is a tiny little amount of saline. If you give aluminum or the adjuvant or anything else at that tiny dose, it's inert. If I give you enough saline I can cause a metabolic acidosis, I can cause your lungs to flood with water, I can cause some people's sodium to to drop. So it depends on the dose you're giving is whether it's inert or not.
Speaker 2:I don't know if there's a substance that's actually universally inert at all doses. That's fair. But I want to ask you so, like what are the most common like um, uh, concerns, I guess you see, with, like the vaccines, kind of in general like it could be covid vaccine, but just kind of in general with vaccine, like what do you go, what do you have to go over all the time that you're like fucking, damn it, this again, holy shit. So like I'm just kind of curious, uh, the covid vaccine's kind of fallen off so I can do the ones that are kind of going up on the internet now. So one would be death post vaccine and for childhood vaccines that would be sids primarily. So they try to say children who got vaccinated are at increased risk of SIDS and that's been evaluated in multiple studies and not shown to be true. There are a lot of other risk factors for SIDS. I'm not a pediatrician so I don't know those off the top of my head, but it's not associated.
Speaker 2:I mean as far as I'm aware like there's a SIDS, isn't like fully under, there's like a lot of things that we don't you know and we don't you know we don't understand all of them, right. So like, yeah, that's, yeah, it's just, it can happen. We're still like learning about that. Uh, the second one that's come around a lot right now, as we've seen with the hhs, is vaccines cause autism, which has been resurrected from wakefield, who faked the data, had his license pulled and had the study retracted, and then it has been evaluated up down, down, sideways, backwards, inside out, and no association with autism has been found.
Speaker 2:So what do you say he faked the data? They hired an anti-vaxxer to lead the autism study. He's going to do really bad methods and what he's going to do is find that vaccines cause autism and then they're going to pretend a single study can overwhelm the entire body of literature Okay, and prove that vaccines cause autism, even though it's going to be garbage right?
Speaker 1:I want to ask you because, like the vaccine, caused autism thing.
Speaker 2:That's going to be a big thing. It's going to be a big thing soon. So I'd like to give maybe people like some information to kind of like look out for. So you said that I forget the guy's name who originally came up with the study, but like he faked the data, can you give us like a? Dumb down version uh, yeah or wakefield the, the guy, the original one that like was the huge, like vaccines, caused autism and freaked everyone out and then got retracted like the original wakefield okay, yeah, wakefield.
Speaker 1:So, like you said, he faked. So what he did is he took kids yeah so what he did?
Speaker 2:he took the history from them about onset of autistic type symptoms and when they got the vaccines and he was actually working for a separate measles vaccine, like he was trying to make that one sound safer and then he changed the history so it sounded like the symptoms followed vaccination, when a lot of them actually, when they were questioned later, the symptoms actually predated vaccination like warning symptoms that they probably had some form of autism. So he published claiming that all the symptoms showed up after the vaccine when in fact a lot of the symptoms predated vaccination and he kind of talked the parents into that and it was a whole issue. So then the paper was actually retracted quite late. I don't remember exactly how many years it stayed up, but it was five or more years after it was shown to be yeah, that it was finally retracted.
Speaker 1:I did not know that, uh that long yeah it.
Speaker 2:It should have been retracted much sooner. But he lost his license and is no longer allowed to practice.
Speaker 1:He's been stricken off do you think there goes around similar?
Speaker 2:do you think that's something similar going forward with this vaccine? Or are they just gonna really just like squint and look at the data and turn it a little bit and be like kind of, if you do this? So there's one recent one that came out from another anti-vaxxer I don't remember his name that looked at the florida data and they basically went to the database, took people with autism or other diagnoses of neurodevelopmental disorders and then looked at this database that kind of showed you're vaccinated or not but didn't actually confirm you're vaccinated. He looked over codes. We give codes for basically every visit, especially because in the United States you bill for stuff, so every visit gets a code.
Speaker 2:So he looked for codes that may have been related to vaccination and then tried to say the two looked at the two groups. So a group that didn't have that code and a group that did. The group that did have the code showed higher rates of autism. However, he that code in a group that did. The group that did have the code showed higher rates of autism. However, he did not count for many things that could have affected that study.
Speaker 1:The first thing he didn't look at is whether the kid was actually vaccinated.
Speaker 2:So a kid with a code that could be related yeah, could be related to the vaccine may not have gotten a vaccine. They don't know which vaccine they got. Also, there's another system that he didn't look at in florida, where you can get a vaccine. So some of his unvaccinated group may have gotten a vaccine through another system that he didn't look at in Florida, where you can get a vaccine. So some of his unvaccinated group may have gotten a vaccine through another system and it would have been captured in his data set. The last thing he didn't do is he didn't account for how often these people go to the doctor. So to get a code for autism, you have to go to the doctor with symptoms of autism and the doctor has to do testing and say, yeah, you have autism. Now I'm going to assign a code to autism If the parent doesn't see a doctor despite the child showing some signs of autism, which can be subtle. Like. Autism is a spectrum. Not everybody is the stereotypical what RFK Jr likes to claim. An autism person looks like.
Speaker 2:His definition of autism was like wild man.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He thinks they're all banging their heads against the wall, screaming and nonverbal. That's what he thinks autism is, and they're not paying taxes that's the most important part or they don't have to pay taxes. Autistic people are suddenly free. I don't know, but yeah, they didn't actually like so. If the unvaccinated group doesn't see doctors because they don't trust them because of vaccines, then their children wouldn't get diagnosed with autism, so they wouldn't have a diagnostic code. That's the kind of study they're going to do, you think?
Speaker 1:that's what they're going to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a bunch of confounders that are kind of brushing over that they don't account for.
Speaker 1:And that's why they're pulling everybody's data.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's going to be an association, but they're not going to be actually evaluated properly. I feel like you can find a correlation between most two things if you just collect enough data and look at it.
Speaker 1:You can find pretty much anything you want.
Speaker 2:You saw the autism rate in organic food sales, or like almost a perfect correlation there's also a correlation between the autism rate and the amount of videos that Liam has made.
Speaker 1:True, that's that the other thing that this shows is I'm causing autism, damn.
Speaker 2:The autism rate likely has not increased that much. So there's two studies in the UK where they actually went back to adults that were not diagnosed with autism and when you apply the new criteria for autism spectrum disorder it comes out about one in 40 to one in 30 in that group of over 60 year olds, which is the number they're quoting now, about one in 35.
Speaker 2:Now it changes by population. Some groups are higher risk, have more autism, some have a little bit less, so it'll bounce around. But if you apply the new criteria to old populations that were never diagnosed, they'll come up with numbers that are pretty similar to today. There might be small increases from some risk factors, like maternal age is related a bit to autism and families are delayed. In places like the united states, like women do a career first and then have kids like, so there are some factors that could mildly increase the autistic rate, but it's not like what he's showing.
Speaker 2:Like yeah, right, because, yeah, like when I was a kid, diagnosing for autism wasn't really a thing yeah, it would be the ones that stereotypical rfk junior things are artistic like it's really obvious that they have autism yeah, but they wouldn't look at the who has mild symptoms of autism. Or weird or whatever.
Speaker 1:We were just like yeah, yeah, I was just the weird kid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there's a diagnosis known as pervasive developmental disorder and that doesn't exist anymore. That was folded into autism. Okay, I didn't know that. And Asperger's obviously doesn't exist anymore because he was a schmaltzy.
Speaker 1:And his name got taken off. I heard it wasn't. That's why I didn't know why the schmaltzies of all their diseases.
Speaker 2:I didn't know that was why yeah, he didn't have that anymore he was a schmaltzy so he experimented inappropriately on people to come up with that, unfortunately, interesting there's another one called wagner's, who was? Who was also a nazi.
Speaker 1:So now it's granulomatosis with polyangiitis I definitely don't miss the asperger's because then you know, especially with south park, right when they started really digging into autism, I kept getting the you got asperger's of course, classic okay, so that's kind of. That's the other big myth that's going around, right now okay, yeah yeah okay.
Speaker 2:The other big myth is that you don't need a hep b vaccine as a baby. That one comes around a lot why?
Speaker 2:why I briefly hear that one occasionally they're like oh it's an sti, why are you giving it to babies? Babies don't have stis. It's disgusting, like that's the kind of talk you get about it. So, number one, the big issue with hepatitis B is it transmits by blood. So the actual main way it transmits in the world is mother to baby. So if you test the mother and you're in a country that they don't have the capacity to test the mother, then it accidentally passes down to the baby quite consistently. So that is the primary way that people get hepatitis B. You can also get it through intimate relations. I'm using like TikTok talk. I don't know if the podcast matters.
Speaker 2:I'm avoiding terms that might get banned on TikTok, I don't know. Or you can get it from like needle sticks, which is less common than hep C, so they're like oh, it's from sexual transmission. So you shouldn't give a vaccine to a baby. The problem is, if you get it before the age of five, you have about a 90 chance of getting chronic hepatitis b, which can lead to liver cancer, cirrhosis and lots of other things. So it's a pretty big deal if you catch it that age. If you're older, when you catch it, it's like a five to ten percent chance of becoming chronic. So you'll get acute hepatitis b. You'll clear it and then you won't have to worry about it. So that's part of the reason why we give it to babies.
Speaker 2:Plus, I don't know how old your daughter is yet, like a year and a bit, uh, 18 months, 19 months somewhere, like that yeah they bite, they lick things, they stick things in their mouth gums can bleed if you share toothbrushes, like there are other ways to get hepatitis b. I'd rather just be on the safe side, like yeah, let's make sure she don't get it. That'd be cool right the other argument they make too is uh, you can test the mother for hepatitis b, so she'd only vaccinate if they're positive, which we also give an immune globulin that binds hepatitis b up and prevents it wait, wait, can I?
Speaker 2:so wait, if the mother has it and you give the vaccine to the baby after they're born, the baby won't develop it. It can help reduce the chances of developing it. Okay, we also give an immune globulin, so antibodies that are already made against hepatitis B we give that as well, so it attacks it right away. However, the test isn't perfect, so we use this thing called hepatitis B surface antigen to test for hepatitis B and there are a false negative rate with it. So there will be mothers that are hepatitis B positive that could pass it to the baby and won't come up on the testing.
Speaker 1:Well, not only that, that's not just the mother that's doing stuff. You could have some aunt that really wants to come in and kiss the baby and she's got a cut on her lip or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so the blood to blood can happen too, but the testing it won't catch it perfectly. And they tried it in the United States. They actually tried vaccinating against hepatitis B in grade school, which I missed. I don't know if you're the same age as me.
Speaker 1:I'm 33. Rob 40.
Speaker 2:40. So you probably got it in school. I just missed it. I was like 3 years before they started doing it in school. I'd still back say like I got it after, but uh, so they tried that and there was still vertical transmission within the United States. So then they moved it to birth. Because the woman's in the hospital, the baby's in the hospital, the vaccine's right here. We're not going to forget about it. Let's give the hepatitis B vaccine to your child and it actually reduced the rates of hepatitis B transmission in the United States even further, and that's good. Yes, getting hepatitis B is not something that you want.
Speaker 1:Okay, yes, getting a MSB is not something that you want.
Speaker 2:okay, so it goes to that whole like purity myth though, like why they attack the, uh, the HPV vaccine. Yeah, I've seen a lot of stuff. I don't really I don't really know too much about it, but I see a lot of uh, the you know discourse about it. I guess, yeah, they do that purity thing like oh, if you vaccinate against an STI, then you're going to increase the risk of them having inappropriate relationships and blah, blah. Why do you vaccinate? Why do you vaccinate children for an sti? Uh, because you want to give it to them before they're exposed to it. Yeah, just a thought, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've always found that argument very dumb. Like with anything you're like oh, don't give them condoms, god forbid.
Speaker 2:Like, then they'll just have sex more like I'd rather have them have some sort of protection. That sounds like a good idea. Uh shit, especially if you ban abortion, they can't also your little your little angel is not pregnant. What are you gonna do like better to prevent it?
Speaker 1:people are definitely um really digging into the whole vaccinating babies thing. They even are calling the vitamin K shot a vaccine.
Speaker 2:Oh, I've seen some. Yeah, dr Jess, I think, was talking about the vitamin K shot. People were real up in arms about it. It's the same thing you guys deal with with food. It's a synthetic form of vitamin K. Oh, it's not natural. So, yeah, we should not natural, except your baby can bleed into their brain and die or become severely disabled for the rest of their life. Yeah, so it's like oh, it's not, it's unnatural form of vitamin k, so you shouldn't give them the vitamin k job. I want to give them these drops instead. I bought from dr ten penny for 80.
Speaker 2:Counterpoint if evolution wanted us to have more vitamin k at birth, we would have developed it. Yeah, true, but yeah, they use that emotional argument of oh, you're giving it to a little baby, an innocent little baby. Why would you stick them with needles? Uh, to protect them and let them grow up to be adults. Yeah, can I tell you my favorite, just the best fucking argument I love and I just I have to laugh at it, because if you don't, you cry. But it's just like what did we do before X? That's my favorite argument for anything ever. What do we do before vaccines? What do we do before we fucking died?
Speaker 2:We fucking died in droves and a lot like. I saw somebody recently like there was there's a woman talking about like uh, she talks about the bubonic plague and they were like, what did we do before, back before? Like you know, we could cure the bubonic plague like we died. We just like a third of europe died, like we just died so much we died, we died, and then we died some more. And I I that's so like that argument is. It's still my favorite, that's my. They use it all the time. Uh, also this argument from rfk jr about the increase in chronic disease, that's part of it. Vaccines are actually partly responsible for the increase in chronic disease because they let you live long enough to develop a chronic disease. So if you die at the age of 10, of course you're not enough to develop a chronic disease. So if you die at the age of 10, of course you're not going to get diabetes, hypertension and heart disease, right. So he's partially right there, but not the way he thinks. So he's right and vaccines are causing chronic disease.
Speaker 1:That's what you should take from this podcast.
Speaker 2:Good night, everybody, yeah. So, he's right, but not in the way he thinks that's so good. Okay, I mean right, but not in the way he thinks that's so good. Okay, what I mean? What else do you see? Uh, so you got the autism, you got the hefty, you got any other like major ones that you see like all the time?
Speaker 2:uh, the covid vaccine still is pushing the died, suddenly saying that people got myocarditis or dropping I see that a lot with athletes like they talk about, like oh, look at the athletes that are dying quickly after like the what's, what, the hell's up, what, what, what, what's going on? So there was a blog that went through all the news sources and basically captured anybody who died suddenly who was a athlete, and they were very generous about the word athlete. So what they did is they took a study that had actually looked at making very specific criteria, looking at a very narrow group of athletes it was defined quite narrowly and they took that rate and claimed that was the rate of all athletes dying. And then they took, like there was like a guy that was biking up a hill who was like 60. They called him an athlete. There was a guy in the gym that was I don't know doing something. They called him an athlete. Like you basically had to be athletic adjacent to end up on this blog. And then they calculated the rate from that and are like, look how high the rate is compared to previously. So I actually went through the entire blog two years of it and applied the criteria from the study to the blog and actually, like looked up all the athletes to see if there was an updated cause of death or anything like that the athletes to see if there was an updated cause of death or anything like that. Yeah, and it was exactly the same as the study. I'm that big of a nerd, yes, I spent like going through the stupid blog. But they've also done more. They've done a study in the ncaa looking at 10 years of the cardiac arrest. So it's all ncaa athletes. So they're relatively high level athletes, uh, that participate regularly in sports and train, and there was no change in the death rate for the two years into the COVID pandemic of vaccination. So the sudden cardiac death rate did not change.
Speaker 2:We also have multiple studies looking. So what they do is they take you, they look at the time before you got the vaccine and how many people in the population died, and then they look after the vaccine and you serve as your own control. So then they see if the more people were dying in the time before than after, and it was exactly the same in young people. So there's no signs of increased death post-covid vaccination. Now there have been a few people that have died post-covid vaccination, but it's not enough to actually raise the rate. So, as we said, there were six in canada that was from the astrazeneca vaccine, that clotting problem where the platelets dropped, and it also occurred in the United States. There's about nine in the United States and there were a couple confirmed myocarditis deaths, but again not enough to actually increase the death rate in the population. So died suddenly is not a thing. Yeah, because every time I see like an athlete get injured on social media like the top like did you get the vaccine though?
Speaker 1:like it's not even, like it's like you get like injured, like falling over and like, oh, fucking vaccine got you man. That's why you tripped man.
Speaker 2:All soccer players must have got the vaccine then, yeah, well then I've gone back to and you can limit google to the time period, so I've gone like pre-pandemic and then looked for sudden death of athlete. And then you show them that you're like, oh, look at all these people that died and stuff. And they're like, yeah, vaccine, vaccine. And then you show them the date. You're like, yeah, you're just biased because you're thinking about it and now you're noticing it more I love that.
Speaker 2:It's like you buy a volkswagen, right? You didn't know those volkswagens before. Now you have a new volkswagen. Suddenly you're seeing volkswagens everywhere. Does everyone suddenly go and buy a volkswagen with you? No, you just didn't think about volkswagens until you bought one.
Speaker 1:I was trying now I'm gonna be thinking about volkswagen the rest of the day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was trying to think about like a world war ii joke with volkswagen, but nothing really came together. Hey now, hey now I have a call. Far, they apologized, they denounced. That's great uh, the other the other big covid one is turbo cancer.
Speaker 1:Oh yes, Turbo cancer.
Speaker 2:Turbo cancer. Oh, he's in Alberta. That's why, robin Dr Mackis, william Mackis. So they claim that, since it's an mRNA vaccine, it gets into your genome, changes your genome and causes cancer, which is not something, and they're claiming it April 2021. Now most of the population started getting vaccinated march 2021. There is not a carcinogen on earth that would give you cancer within a month of getting it or being exposed to it, right like hiroshima nagasaki. The blood cancer started five years later. The solid cancer started 10 years later. That's ionizing radiation, like they got blasted with radiation. So this? So what you're saying is the vaccine is so powerful that it just trumps ionizing radiation, but it doesn't work for anything else.
Speaker 2:But it works really well with that Right? So it's both completely ineffective, according to them, but like the most potent carcinogen ever yeah, that's great. Turbo cancer sounds like I don't know, like, yeah, like cancer. Sounds like I don't know. Like, yeah, like a south park character or something. Yeah, they use the study to showing that young people cancers have increased and they're like oh, it's since 2021. The study was actually from 2009 to 2019, so there is a slow increase in cancers in young people under 40, which I don't qualify for anymore, unfortunately. Uh, that's been slowly going on since 1990, which is probably all the stuff we see for diabetes, heart disease, all that inactivity, not eating fiber, not eating vegetables, like the usual Increased pollution.
Speaker 2:Yeah, those kinds of things so, but they use that to claim that turbo cancer in young people are increasing and I'm like the study ended in 2019. So how does that work? Time traveling, vaccines again, so it's more.
Speaker 1:It's so much more powerful than ionizing radiation that it can travel time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and give you cancer retrospectively.
Speaker 1:Turbo cancer oh shit, it sounds like.
Speaker 2:I know what I'm going, as for Halloween, that's for sure. Oh there, you guys know Naomi Wolf.
Speaker 2:I don't think so. I don't think so. She's a PhD in English literature who has apparently gone through the Pfizer documents and found all this Like she just made hilarious mistakes. She actually has a tweet saying that she overheard someone talking about time traveling vaccines. That's where I got that from. She said this seriously. She's not kidding. I mean, I can't say I'm surprised, and I bet you quite a few people believed it too. Their bias is already so strong Like, whatever they say, it doesn't really matter. Fucking dinosaurs gave it to us, damn it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they'll listen to a PhD in English literature over me, right, because they say what they like to hear. Yeah, that's so great, okay, any other ones you got for us that come up a lot for like vaccines Like, don't get it because blah, blah blah. So law for like vaccines like don't get it because blah blah, blah are those guys.
Speaker 2:So the other ones are like the disease isn't that bad. That's kind of what's come up with. Measles this a lot, yeah, yeah, the measles one. They're like oh, it's just measles, you get like a cold for a little bit, then you're good. It's based on the brady bunch episode where they're like oh, the baby bunch said measles wasn't bad, so apparently it's not bad, so it does kill. It kills quite frequently. Uh, most of these people don't realize children aren't supposed to die. I I don't know how they didn't realize this, because even covet you saw, they're like oh, the rate of death in in 20 year olds was way lower than 80 year olds, so they don't need to worry about it. It's like that's not how you compare deaths.
Speaker 1:Apparently, the only children that aren't supposed to die are in the womb.
Speaker 2:Yeah, once they're out of the womb, who cares? Open season. So even your premier, daniel Smith, commissioned a paper where they were like, oh, the death rate from a 20-year-old compared to an 80-year-old from COVID was like 18 times or something. So I actually went to the death tables for Stats Canada and looked pre-pandemic at what the death rate in 18-year-olds compared to 60-year-olds was, and it was 18 times. So young people die less, obviously, but if you have something that's suddenly coming up and killing more, that's a big deal. Like COVID became the eighth leading cause of death in children. So they argue this with measles as well, right. So we've had possibly three deaths so far in the united states from measles. One was found at home, uh, and tested positive for measles post, and I haven't seen the actual autopsy yet, so that one's not fully confirmed yet. But the other two were definitely measles and there's other complications of measles. So you get encephalitis, you can get hearing loss, you can get vision problems.
Speaker 2:There's this thing called sspe. So what happens is measles hides in the brain and then five, ten years later it wakes up again and you die. So your brain deteriorates over weeks and you die. There's no treatment.
Speaker 2:There's no way to prevent it there was one way to prevent it, and the one way to prevent is to get vaccinated and not catch measles. But right, so these children can just suddenly die five, ten years later and not realize that they're at risk for this. So that's what they argue. They argue, oh, but the death rate's only like one in 200. That's not that big of a deal. Before the vaccine there weren't that many people dying, only this many a year. Like they keep doing all these ridiculous things.
Speaker 2:The other thing they love to do is they take the cause of death and divide it by a huge population. So if I take the number of people in the world who die of cancer and divide it by the population of the world, I'm going to get a really tiny percentage, right, and then I'm going to be like, well, we don't need to worry about cancer. Look how tiny the percentage is. That's what they do. So they don't actually look at the rates or anything like that, but like even to be 1 in 200 seems like a lot. It'll like when there's, when you have like thousands or millions of people getting, you know, an infection, a disease, whatever. That that adds up pretty fast. Yeah, I think in Samoa, which was that outbreak. We can't say too much about it because rfk juniors actually sued people over this, but uh, in samoa, where the outbreak happens in 2019, their death rate was about 180, so they had quite a few people die of measles during that outbreak. Uh the united.
Speaker 2:If the united states numbers are correct, they're at about 1 in 200 right now. If all three deaths are due to measles. So I mean the death rate, they argue oh, it's because vitamin a deficiency in those other countries. That's why they die.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what the fuck, what is up with this vitamin a? And they're just, and rfk is just like give them vitamin a, like give them some carrots or like a liver, whatever, like what's going on? So there's evidence that in very deprived countries where people are vitamin a deficient, vitamin a can increase your chances of surviving measles, so not having severe measles. However, the united states, even though there are some nutrition problems, it's not really a deficiency of vitamin a.
Speaker 2:So most people in the united states aren't deficient in vitamin a, so adding extra vitamin a is actually causing toxicity problems. So they've had people admitted to the hospitals with vitamin a toxicity because it's a fat soluble vitamin. It's part of the, the ADEK addict, and you don't get rid of it very easily. So it can build up in the tissue, cause liver failure and a bunch of other issues. So being deficient in something makes other things worse. That's pretty much the story of that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, got it.
Speaker 2:And this is a common like. You probably see this all the time with the wellness grifters, right? So if fixing the deficiency in the vitamin fixes this symptom, then more of the vitamin must fix that symptom, if you have it right. Right, that's why we should all have our cholesterol super high, because cholesterol is important for so many things. So we just need more cholesterol in our body at all times you're talking to me you're talking about the keto study.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to do too much of the keto study because Dr Eads pretty much destroyed it. Oh, okay, that one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, now I know.
Speaker 2:The keto cholesterol one, where the cholesterol is all through the roof Right. They're like, yeah, that's good, all these 20-year-olds, their plaques got thicker, but that's fine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. It's definitely a really big annoyance, though, that a lot of the people focus entirely on deaths related to these things and have no thought about any chronic conditions that occurred because of them lots of disability from these infections, including covet, like there's lots of disability.
Speaker 2:Just imagine so you're a young person. You got sick enough to go to the icu. Your kidneys failed, you got confusion in the icu. We had to intubate you, you got a pneumonia on top of it from the ventilator. You got muscle weakness from being in the icu and put feeding tube in. Your quality of life is going to be terrible, yeah, afterwards and you could recover, but it's going to take several years to recover from that. Plus there's other issues like ptsd, post all this because you have people like jamming things down your throat and stuff and you're confused, you don't know what's happening and it's pretty scary, right. So there's lots of issues and come out of this and also lead to an increased death rate afterwards as well. Like people that have kidney failures are increased risk of death years later, so they don't realize all these other things that happen.
Speaker 2:So just because you didn't die within 14 days of having your covet infection doesn't mean that covet didn't have a huge negative impact on your trajectory in your life and yeah the one I I always hear um is like well, that disease isn't around anymore, so why protect against a disease that's no longer here polio, yeah, polio's gone, we don't need the polio vaccine anymore, right? So there's several issues with this argument. Number one they say oh, we still vaccinate even though the disease is gone. Well, how many of us have gotten the smallpox vaccine? Um, not that I can remember. I didn't. I got cowpox. No, you're younger than me, so you didn't. So once it was eradicated so off the earth, no longer spreading amongst people then we stopped giving the vaccine.
Speaker 2:Okay, polio is not eradicated. It's eliminated from the united states, meaning that it's not transmitting locally in the united states, but it's still elsewhere in the world transmitting. So people can travel. Polio is a very long incubation virus, so it can take weeks before you start shedding enough to send other people. You don't realize you have it, so you can travel and spread it and all those different things.
Speaker 2:So we still give the vaccine because, let's say, somebody comes into the country even with measles like measles is super infectious right, it's got an r0 of 16. So r0 means on average how many people the one infected person is going to infect. So 16 is through the roof. Covid was like two right, so 16 is really high. So if somebody comes into your country and nobody's vaccinated, it'll affect 16 people. Infect 16 people infect 16 people infect 16 people. People are vaccinated. There's still a barrier there, right. So you may infect a couple people that have been vaccinated that maybe are a bit weaker immune system or just got a huge load of the virus from you, like you cough right in their face or something, but those people won't develop as much sickness or as much shedding, so they won't spread it to as many people.
Speaker 2:And those people are also vaccinated. So you can see it just kind of peters out, right, you can't actually establish it back in the population. The other thing that SHIELD does is there's this guy back here who can't get vaccinated. He's immunocompromised. The measles vaccine is a live vaccine. I can't give this person a live vaccine. So if he's living in a population with nobody vaccinated, it spreads, it spreads, it spreads. It gets to them, right, and then they get sick and they have no choice. They're gonna get sick. If people are vaccinated, it peters out and then can't hit that person who's vulnerable right, that's like that's practically medical socialism it is medical socialism, so we can't have that in America.
Speaker 2:They like immune capitalism. If you work hard enough, you do CrossFit, you eat clean and paleo, you get your liver supplements in the mail sent to you for $200 a pop.
Speaker 2:Then you worked hard, you boosted your immune system and you're going to dominate. So that's immune capitalism. I don't survive diseases. I destroy them.
Speaker 2:Um, uh, no, I was just gonna ask what's so like with herd immunity? Like I know, there's a percentage of the population that has to be like vaccinated before. Like it's it it's the facts or the disease wouldn't really spread. Like what percentage of people need to be like? It depends on the disease. Wouldn't really spread. Like what percentage of people need to be like vaccinated, it depends on the disease. So it depends on the R0 of the disease and how infectious it is.
Speaker 2:So one of the big ones we get is the COVID vaccine didn't work because it's still spread despite people being vaccinated, which is correct. It did, and some people in the media actually overstated the vaccine. Stopping COVID right. Like Rachel Maddow, they always put these clips up. So stopping COVID right. Like Rachel Maddow, they always put these clips up.
Speaker 2:So what happens? The difference there is polio, measles. Those are all long incubation viruses. So they get into you. They got to grow, grow, grow, grow, grow and then you get symptoms and start shedding it to people. So in that case, when you get a vaccine you make antibodies. But you don't want to continuously make high levels of antibodies because then your body would be gummed up with proteins, right? So you assign some cells to be like, hey, if this comes back, it's your job. To suddenly make a ton of antibodies against this. That takes a little time. So with a long incubation virus, if you've been vaccinated, those cells can wake up in time while it's growing and growing and growing and make enough antibodies to kind of stop it from causing symptomatic disease.
Speaker 2:In a short incubation virus, which is influenza COVID, the incubation is like five days for COVID your body can't build the antibody response up again. So if you've recently got vaccinated, you'll have tons of antibodies circulating because you just had the vaccine and you can block the virus from infecting you. Later months later you're not going to be able to block the virus, the virus for infecting you. Later months later you're not going to be able to block the virus as well from infecting you. But before it can build up and cause severe disease and put you in the hospital or kill you, you'll get that antibody response and it will stop the disease from being severe. So that's something a lot of people don't understand about.
Speaker 2:So with herd immunity. It's easier to get herd immunity with a long incubation virus because you can protect people against symptomatic and shedding disease because the antibody response can build up. So that'd be like polio, measles, uh, pertussis, those kind of diseases, whereas with a disease like covid or flu it's hard to stop it in its tracks because your antibody response takes a little bit of time and people will still catch it but they won't die at the same rate from it and that's also part of why we had to get a new shot every year yeah, plus, the variant also makes the antibodies stick less to it, so it still can stick to it, but not as many spots and your bodies aren't as good at eliminating the virus.
Speaker 2:I thought the main reason we got the boosters is to give people an insult to give against us like you're on your fifth booster that's also to give pharma the money right, and me apparently, even though I don't actually administer the vaccines. Apparently I was paid for everyone yeah, you must be rich yeah, that argument's never gonna go away, just like you paid for this or whatever. Anybody who like disagrees with them, whether it's on vaccines or I don't even aspartame or whatever it is yeah, you're just paid by big blank.
Speaker 2:It doesn't, it does, and then that's enough, for I would say like 70 of the people who don't like it be like yeah, there you go, done. Yeah, the funniest thing was they. Apparently my province did put a code in for counseling people about vaccine hesitancy that you paid. I don't remember how much you got paid for. I only found out about it because an anti-vaxxer posted it and said well, you made all this money and I'm like it was three years in and I'm like I counseled so many people. I could have made a lot of money off this code and I totally didn't. Thanks for showing me now.
Speaker 2:So basically, for vaccines in Canada, we only get paid for the act of administering an intramuscular injection. So, whatever's in the syringe, if I prep your side, stick something in your muscle, I get paid a flat rate, regardless of what I give you. So if it's vitamin B12, if it's a vaccine Saline, saline, for some reason yeah I, I get the same, the same fee. It's just for the act, like if my nurse gives it, though I don't get paid when my nurse gives most of the vaccines so your nurse is rich, then she does.
Speaker 2:She has just paid a salary. She doesn't get paid per dose it's actually legal socialized medicine. It's illegal for us to get kickbacks as well. In the United States as well, drug companies can't pay us to prescribe their meds.
Speaker 1:I hear Sorry.
Speaker 2:Oakley's waking up from a nap and she's just like screaming her head off. Now she just wakes up, angry man.
Speaker 1:She was vaccinated.
Speaker 2:She probably heard about all this anti-vaccine rhetoric and she's just mad about it.
Speaker 1:It's like I got those.
Speaker 2:It's like I got those. It's probably a side effect from the vaccine. To be honest, like William Mackus says, suicides are caused by vaccines. So Wow, I'm serious.
Speaker 1:Wow. It's ridiculous, I hadn't heard that one.
Speaker 2:No matter what disease you say they're like oh, it's caused by vaccines. Yeah, pretty much Seems that way right. There's a recent study out of Florida where they did a negative control for vaccines and they used suicide because they wouldn't believe any other disease couldn't be caused by vaccines wow, oakley is really upset about that I mean, that's, this is, this is my life right here.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna go take care of that. So, before we go, like any anything else, anything else you want to tell people about vaccines or, you know, help them, lessen their worries? Well, well, I'm already sorry for the US because you're probably not going to have fall vaccines based on the way things are going. My biggest points would be number one be very wary of studies coming out of the CDC right now. Talk to trusted experts and everything to evaluate those studies, because the goals and the people they've hired to do these studies are not qualified and I suspect that they're going to and very biased.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the people?
Speaker 2:they've hired to do these studies are not qualified and I suspect that they're going to come out with findings that are not true. Number two vaccines are safe and effective. Talk to your health care provider. The people that can do the most good are the people like your personal physicians and all those things that you trust and you've had a relationship with that can answer your questions and go over all the issues and things that you have with vaccines. And number three there are side effects of vaccines. However, they pale in comparison to the diseases we're protecting you against. So please do get vaccinated. And in most countries, if you do get a really rare side effect, you can get compensation. So please do get vaccinated. Vaccines are safe and effective. They do work. They're one of the best public health things we've done in a long time, along with washing hands and putting fluoride in the water.
Speaker 1:It's sad that we had to say washing hands is one of the best things we've done.
Speaker 2:Isn't Peter Hegstuff the guy that said on Fox News he doesn't wash his hands? The head of your Department of Defense now doesn't?
Speaker 1:wash his hands Sounds about right.
Speaker 2:Department of Defense now doesn't wash his hands. Oh, I think I did hear that. Yeah, stupid hand washing and fluoride vaccines. We're getting rid of all of it. We're going back to the old ways. Remember what did we?
Speaker 2:do before that we were fine. We were totally fine. Tuberculosis took out the weak ones and we were good and everybody else was fine. Where can people find you if they want to know more about vaccines and how and you know how they might be okay and how much you get paid for them? Oh, I get paid a lot. I'm on almost everything. I'm on, uh, oh, mean blank. I'm on tiktok at dr john l. I'm on instagram and threads dr john lx. I am on. Don't go to twitter. I'm not going to advertise twitter. Uh, I'm on blue sky as, uh, jonathan laxton.
Speaker 1:And those are my main ones all right, then I think uh, liam has a screaming child.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm gonna go, not be my worst, and try and do what I can here no promises, because it's probably still gonna be rough, but we do it anyway. I do have a question though. When you put her down for a nap, do you say k? Bye? She hasn't learned really many words yet. Pretty much the only thing she knows is rubble from Paw Patrol. She says rubble a lot. She's going to start saying k-bye pretty soon.
Speaker 1:Honestly, Oakley's just upset that you didn't give her the middle name Danger.
Speaker 2:All right, you cut out. I can't hear you. I got to get out of here. She's getting.
