In Moderation
Providing health, nutrition and fitness advice in moderate amounts to help you live your best life.
Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
In Moderation
Roundtable - Five Shirtless Guys
Settle in for our most unfiltered conversation yet as five health experts strip down—literally—to discuss what's really happening behind the wellness industry's most outrageous claims. When Dave Asprey announces he's injecting stem cells into his penis for "enhancement," our panel doesn't just roll their eyes—they break down the actual science of stem cell therapy and explain why this approach makes little biological sense without proper growth stimuli.
What begins as a humorous critique quickly evolves into a substantive exploration of how the wellness industry capitalizes on fear. "Fear opens wallets," becomes our rallying cry as we examine how minor concerns about food additives like Red 40 or seed oils distract from more impactful dietary changes. We challenge the notion that switching from seed oil to tallow at fast food restaurants represents meaningful progress when the fundamental issues of ultra-processed, calorie-dense foods remain unchanged.
The conversation takes unexpected turns through longevity science, Alzheimer's prevention strategies, and the psychological impact of "cheat days" in diet culture. We draw parallels between restricting and binging with food and other biological functions, questioning why we've normalized potentially harmful eating patterns. Along the way, we offer practical alternatives: simple whole food plates instead of complex recipes, consistent moderation instead of restriction cycles, and evidence-based approaches instead of trend-following.
Perhaps most valuable is our candid discussion about the challenges health creators face in maintaining integrity while earning a living. We explore innovative approaches to monetizing content without compromising credibility, highlighting the difficult balance between providing accessible information and sustaining our work. This conversation showcases why we believe health doesn't need to be complicated—simple changes, consistently applied, yield the best results.
If you're tired of wellness industry hype and looking for honest, science-backed perspectives delivered with humor and humanity, this episode will resonate deeply. Subscribe, share your thoughts, and join a community that values straight talk over sales pitches.
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Welcome to our new podcast. Five Shirtless Guys, one of which is walking on a treadmill, Stay fit. Are we live? Oh yeah, we're live, Are we?
Speaker 2:recording. Oh shit, we are recording. Hey everybody, welcome to the podcast where I am eating half a chocolate cake that I reviewed this morning and we're all shirtless because that's just kind of how I started and everybody decided to join in. It's about camaraderie. At the end of the day, right, and everybody decided to join in.
Speaker 3:It's about camaraderie at the end of the day right?
Speaker 4:Heck yeah, Cheers. We're raising money for a shirt. I mean we could probably shift the vibe a little bit more.
Speaker 2:Oh, there we go. Are you all more of a V-neck person or just like a standard T-shirt?
Speaker 4:What do you think? Definitely prefer the V-necks. Definitely prefer the V-necks.
Speaker 1:Oh, we're getting the village people going here. I don't have a hat but I do have my fur.
Speaker 5:Oh, that's beautiful, there we go.
Speaker 2:That's really cool. I think I have a tricorn hat around here. My shit just fell off.
Speaker 4:That's fine, I've got one of these guys Nice.
Speaker 2:Scott's train conductor's hat. What You've got? A fucking Jack Sparrow hat.
Speaker 1:Everybody listening to the podcast.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry, we're just you're, you're gonna have to just check out the first 10 minutes. Yeah, everyone's gonna be like I love that one.
Speaker 3:Wait. They talked about what they wore we're going hold on everybody. I have this really cool thing to show you. Look at it, don't?
Speaker 2:don't mention. Nobody mentioned what it is.
Speaker 3:This is the podcast equivalent of the glowing suitcase in Pulp Fiction.
Speaker 2:You know what I got to admit? I've never seen Pulp Fiction. I've never seen it, I've seen it.
Speaker 1:but I don't really remember it.
Speaker 3:Well then, fuck me, never mind.
Speaker 1:Mike's out, mike's gone, he just left.
Speaker 3:Anyway, I feel like I do this every time. Welcome to In Moderation, a podcast where we give a dose of sarcasm.
Speaker 2:Uh advice and we already know we're not approved. He's fucking. He's got more of the theme down than we do. I don't fucking.
Speaker 1:Well, he's been on this podcast I don't know 10 times now.
Speaker 3:Welcome back, mike why thank you I think everybody knows you by now.
Speaker 2:Introduce people? Should we, or should we just keep going say fuck it?
Speaker 1:well, I think jacob at least needs to introduce himself, since he missed his first 10 minutes on the last episode yeah, sorry about that.
Speaker 5:So I'm jacob. I go online by jacob foods. I make nutrition content. I try and battle misinformation, help people get healthy, lose weight, eat more fiber all that basically I I'm glad to be here for real this time. I actually have storage on my phone so I won't nuke the podcast. Knock on wood.
Speaker 2:He's fucking recording everything. In poor case, he's got no room.
Speaker 5:Yeah, we're in 1080p now.
Speaker 3:Recording at 10,000 frames to play this in slow motion. So he can have the first 27-hour in moderation recording.
Speaker 1:Perfect but too cheap to spring for the iCloud subscription that offloads all of us yeah, I'm about to have to get one out of necessity and to round out this round table, we've got Avisha here as well yes, sir, is this my point to a little introduction?
Speaker 4:all right, that's that it is. I'm Avisha. I distilled science on all of the various socials and I cast a pretty wide science net trying to help people identify signs that can be applied to their everyday life, with a pretty strong focus on health and nutrition, figuring out what not to do, what things are being claimed by the various different socials, viral videos, and try to do a deep dive into the actual medical literature to figure out is it legit, is it not? How can we apply the latest research to in some way improve our own lives?
Speaker 2:I got one. What's up with the fucking dire wolf situation? Are we bringing those back, or is that not real? Did the headlines lie to me?
Speaker 4:they say dire wolf, but like it's a small snip, small amount of genetics being put in, like it's, we're very far from bringing the full wolf back so this is a liar?
Speaker 3:wolf? Is what you're telling me?
Speaker 2:yes, it's a liar wolf, no, but it like exactly situation where it has like enough of like the dna or whatever that you could claim that it's a dire wolf, like you could say you had a dire wolf because technically there's dire wolf like genetics in there.
Speaker 1:That you could claim it's a demi dire wolf whatever, you know, I'm actually 164th dire wolf.
Speaker 3:Anyway, I'm mike. I lost 110 pounds actually it's been awesome.
Speaker 2:I looked at that article everybody just talked at the same time. That's how we're gonna do this perfect.
Speaker 3:No, nobody talk perfect, I think.
Speaker 1:I think avisha might be a little leg yeah, a little delayed, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna go with. Yeah, considering it's been the same frame for like three minutes, it's a good frame good frame yeah, yeah, we're gonna use that for the podcast thumbnail oh shit, excellent.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I keep getting some delays on you guys also where, like, some of you, will just freeze up for a while. I don't know. Mike and uh rob were frozen for a bit, but I don't know well, should we let mike tell his little story.
Speaker 3:I'll say it again I lost 110 pounds and I help people do the same thing through not bullying, but kindness and understanding. We work on mindset. We work on the root issues rather than the symptoms, because far too often in this country we are treating things. We're treating symptoms rather than causes which just allow them to continue to flourish. So I focus on mindset things, focus on habits, focus on routines, lifestyles all the good stuff that I feel like is left out of a lot of weight loss conversations.
Speaker 1:And he does so while wearing a giant trucker hat, shirtless on a treadmill.
Speaker 3:You know how it is.
Speaker 1:Yeehaw, yeehaw. I'm pretty sure that's what they would say down there in texas probably, probably, I don't know.
Speaker 3:I don't leave my house. It's too hot. Have you ever like been baking something and you open up the oven and just smash you in the face and like you can physically feel it hitting you.
Speaker 2:That's what it's like every time I open my front door in the morning sounds awesome, I'm yeah, no, bp is great I am going, actually not to texas, to, uh, boston next week. So like, starting next wednesday, I'm gonna be going to check out a few areas. So you live in the boston area, let me know like what good, yeah, what shit's around there. It's kind of a last minute thing where we're just like we're gonna go check out some places in rhode island and boston are you gonna pop in on to Tommy Martin?
Speaker 1:Oh, does Tommy live there? I didn't even. He commutes to Boston, he works in Boston, he lives just outside of it.
Speaker 2:All right, I'll have to message him or something. But yeah, like Scotty went there, he said it was awesome.
Speaker 3:So I'm like I'm going to go check this place out, I'm going to go so how do you guys feel about Dave Asprey putting stem cells in his penis to try to?
Speaker 5:Oh my.
Speaker 3:God.
Speaker 2:I saw that I saw this.
Speaker 5:Yeah, that's news to me.
Speaker 3:I want to see what's?
Speaker 2:what's the end goal?
Speaker 4:I feel like I think you could just stop at. How do you guys feel about Dave Asprey?
Speaker 3:It's like the bulletproof coffee is like too vanilla. Now he's he's taken it a step forward and he's he said in the interview he's like I've been injecting stem cells into my penis to increase the size. Not that I need any more size, it's fine the way it was. He had to make that distinction, but I've increased it by two inches.
Speaker 5:he says I'm not entirely sure that's how that works.
Speaker 1:Has anybody subscribed to his OnlyF fans to?
Speaker 2:verify this claim you're not totally in on this like what's he selling from my?
Speaker 3:skeptic's mind like, if you go to his website, like if, if you use code boner, do you get half off of his gene altering thing and you get half more well, I don't know, after trying all those gummies those online ads have sold me, nothing's worked, so maybe I'll go.
Speaker 2:I'll go with the injectable.
Speaker 4:It must be that he's got a needle fetish, so when he injects the stem cells, suddenly magically it grows by two inches.
Speaker 1:Oh, I think you nailed it. I think you nailed, it.
Speaker 2:He injected his urine or something like that. So you know, fuck it. That wasn't crazy enough. He had to keep going. I mean from an actual scientific perspective.
Speaker 4:When you inject stem cells like they are there to provide some potential growth, the problem is you need a growth stimulus, like nothing. They don't just magically cause growth. That's one of the big problems with stem cell therapies. In general. They're good for wound healing because the body's natural wound healing processes have already been triggered and sometimes they can help speed things up. But you need to provide some level of like micro damage for it to then get recruited to go and cause growth. So he's got to be combining it with some sort of I don't know rack for the penis to to maybe get growth sounds terrible no, it's not that small.
Speaker 2:He said not that tiny well, compared to a whole human body. I'm saying, you know, it's all compared to what? Right, so you know, a tiny penis rack.
Speaker 1:I'm sure they sell it a little bit, a little bit more every day. Cause that little bit of micro tearing a vision.
Speaker 3:Would this be kind of similar to? Like you know, if somebody needed a new kidney, like, yeah, you could just cut them open and put it inside of their abdomen, but it's like not going to do anything because it's not connected to anything. It's like just sitting there.
Speaker 4:It's sort of analogous. Of course this is on a more cellular level. Like the body is pretty good at taking things like stem cells and platelet rich plasma with like the various growth factors and doing some stuff with it. It's not quite as disconnected as a full organ, but still just injecting stem cells randomly without anything else to direct them. I'll look a lot of stem cell therapies these days use like scaffolding where if you're trying to create particular repair, they'll put like this whole operation to give like a little scaffold for what you're trying to grow or various things to direct the signal, to create growth.
Speaker 2:Otherwise, what is it used for? Mostly like, just like when you say like damage or injury, like what kind of injury, like what kind of damage, like what are they using for?
Speaker 4:so I know the most success that I've seen with regards to like tissue repair is usually when helping to treat injuries. When you take stem cells and inject them into an injury site, then sometimes that can help to treat injury, repair chronic pain, and sometimes it's almost like prolotherapy is when you inject just a saline solution around like a joint or connective tissue and it creates like inflammation in that area which causes the body to sort of restart certain repair processes. What do you?
Speaker 2:mean damage though, like a burn or like you know. It's a scrape Like what?
Speaker 4:Well, actually burns are one of the coolest applications of stem cell therapy because there are certain, like stem cell sprays now that are being used to treat burns, that can heal third degree burns with almost no scarring, whereas, like 20 years ago, that would never have been possible.
Speaker 2:So if it's done right after the burn, before the scarring process already happens, so, like next to the Narcan, they have some stem cells like in their little like pocket wherever the EMTs and shit.
Speaker 4:Only it were usable by emts.
Speaker 5:But there's definitely like hospitals that uh had the ability to do it, so they can have a fire extinguisher with the stem cells in it.
Speaker 3:That's exactly he's. How hard is it to make themselves?
Speaker 5:they've asked for. He popped it onto his stovetop where do I get?
Speaker 3:where do I get these asking for a friend and I need to be quick when they make stem cells.
Speaker 2:Because stem cells? Because I know they used to use fetal tissue or something. Yeah, these days it's a lot easier. Yeah, I know, now it's easier.
Speaker 4:You can actually take fat tissue, fat cells and cause them to regress to become stem cells.
Speaker 2:Well, we got a lot of that lying around. I feel like we could do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's go donate our fat.
Speaker 3:I really blew it when. I lost 110 pounds and didn't funnel any of it into my cock.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you could have sold it for stem cell research there, Mike.
Speaker 3:That's interesting. I think we're past the point of worrying about our words.
Speaker 4:Bone or marrow. That's what they call it these days.
Speaker 1:You know this podcast really is five shirtless guys right now.
Speaker 2:You know, okay. So when they break the fever and they slowly pull it apart, yeah that. But for your downstairs, like that's all we're looking for, Even the little stem cells as well.
Speaker 4:I mean, I'm pretty sure 20 years ago I got an ad for a pump that does that.
Speaker 1:So injecting the cells into your penis is the equivalent of getting in the car before you even know where the destination you want to go is, and you're just sitting in the car scrolling your phone. Pretty much.
Speaker 4:If I had to guess, I really would predict that he is injecting alongside some sort of pump device that he has to use on a daily basis.
Speaker 2:Let's make the rest of this podcast just determining what he's doing exactly for the next 45 minutes. Let's really just.
Speaker 1:Let's dissect Dave Asprey's penis.
Speaker 3:I've got a theory and I don't hope this happens, because I don't wish this on anybody, but he wants to live to be 180. The more he says that, I think, the higher his chances get of him dying of something stupid like an accident. Oh man.
Speaker 2:At like 67.
Speaker 5:67. Sepsis from injecting stem cells into your penis.
Speaker 4:There is a big second mover advantage in this space. Interesting, like I'm all for living to 180, but it is. It's one of the big problems actually in the whole longevity space. You know you can't really run clinical trials on humans for longevity purposes because those trials would take forever. So instead you need to use, like surrogate biomarkers, and even those are still hotly debated. Like what are the surrogate biomarkers of human aging? You know, people say telomeres, but lately we've come to realize that those are just one very tiny piece of the equation. Then you've got what they call various epigenetic aging tests and markers, and those have dubious levels of actual relevance in terms of are they just like, is it a symbol, or do they have any causative impact on the aging process? Or are they just things that go in concert with a lot of the aging?
Speaker 2:so they're not really targets for intervention interesting, so we have a lot of things that are like correlated, but we're like we don't know if it's causative. We don't know actually if that's what's causing the aging exactly?
Speaker 4:it's like even something like plaque buildup in your like or, uh no, tau protein buildup in the brain with alzheimer's. It's like we used to think that that was the cause of alzheimer's, but right, there's a lot of debate back and forth is that a sign of it or is that a cause of it? And a lot of the treatments that were only designed to try and remove the plaque buildup have not shown very good efficacy when it comes to actually reducing symptoms oh I, I didn't know that Interesting.
Speaker 2:So what do we do to avoid Alzheimer's?
Speaker 4:So, within the aging space.
Speaker 4:Well, step one don't be born with the wrong APOE alleles, because if you have the two, if you have both wrong pairs, it's like a 32X increased risk of Alzheimer's. But there's actually Dr Richard Isaacson runs the Alzheimer's prevention clinic out of I think it's Cornell, maybe it's Columbia, one of his local universities and he's been doing a lot of work trying to just, in a clinical setting, take people with the highest risk factors and do things to mitigate their chances of developing it, reverse certain processes and, surprise, surprise, it's very much about exercising a lot and eating good foods and using your brain, god damn it.
Speaker 2:I was hoping for injecting things.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, you know, surprise, surprise, I was saying it ain't so bad, Actually, one of the best activity to do. That has been measured in various ways ping pong.
Speaker 1:I can see that. I can actually see that.
Speaker 4:The requirement of fast hand-eye coordination motion. It's not too taxing on the body. There is a social element to it. Like, ping pong, players seem to have a lowered risk of Alzheimer's as compared to most other physical activities.
Speaker 2:I feel like they need to start selling that Like ping pong ball makers need to be like the anti-Alzheimer's hack or something like that Exactly.
Speaker 1:It feels like that's good that pickleball has gotten so big.
Speaker 4:I don't know if pickleball is big down there but I mean that's just a giant game of ping pong. Yeah, pretty much. It's like take ping pong and tennis and give them a little weird love child.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's actually fun as shit. I love pickleball. I haven't played in a while, but that's a good. That's a good sport.
Speaker 4:Actually have like. Some brand sent me custom pickleball paddles at some point.
Speaker 1:Well dang, I think it was you americans getting brand stuff.
Speaker 2:I'm up here like nobody sends stuff to canada don't worry, I've made my canada industry poison they don't send it once we take listen, once it becomes part of the united states, then you'll be just fine, you'll be in the creator program, you'll get something sent to you, but you keep just pushing back against this whole we become part of america thing.
Speaker 1:No reason it's almost like we like our health care you don't need help.
Speaker 2:It's one thing. It's one thing. Think about the stuff you'll get.
Speaker 4:Think about capital yeah, the first thing, you'll learn as an american, is to be more materialistic yes that's right.
Speaker 1:The first thing you learn as a american is to own a gun that depends on which state.
Speaker 2:That's the second thing that just comes with every bible you get oh okay, I got a lot to learn. Yes, but you guys already passed the canadian test.
Speaker 2:All you have to do is say you're sorry right, exactly, but you guys already use like freedom units and shit, so you're already like halfway there. If we, if we took over any other country, they'd have all the metrics is now, if you get rid of this and figure out how ounces work and shit, y'all go. Y'all know how miles work and stuff, so you'd be fine can I?
Speaker 1:you know what the most annoying american thing is? Phillips heads, screwdrivers. Stop fucking using those.
Speaker 3:You goddamn americans there's so much better than flatheads. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1:Robertson screws.
Speaker 2:Robertson screws are the superior.
Speaker 1:That's not a real thing. Stupid Canadians and their fake screws that are superior.
Speaker 2:Okay, while Rob fucking rants about screws and stupid shit, what other science breakthroughs Excuse me for?
Speaker 1:being constructive. Constructive, my ass. Go over here with my drill. You guys talk science. I'm gonna go be manly.
Speaker 2:I want to know the stuff besides the dire wolf. I want to know what, what other like science breakthroughs are happening okay, the robertson screw actually looks pretty cool.
Speaker 1:It's just a square yeah, it's a square and it's far superior than the phillips. It strips less and it holds in place on the screw head while you're drilling.
Speaker 5:So america should take credit for inventing that, because no one's ever heard of it and that can do.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay do you guys actually want to know why you guys don't use the robertson? It's because when robertson invented it, henry ford wanted to buy the patent in order to own it and make all the money himself. And Robertson was like, no, this is going to be something for everybody. And Henry Ford was like fuck you, we're using Phillips, and that's why you guys use Phillips. That sounds about right.
Speaker 3:I mean, can I share something, one of the more proud things of being an American that I think might sell you on this. But let me, I think I'm actually able to share this and this will show up.
Speaker 1:This is oh god okay so mike's showing the um amount of gatorade yeah, mike's showing the uh, the soda, gatorade, everything aisle on his.
Speaker 3:Well, the listeners on spotify can't see this if they're watching the video, they might be able to maybe watching the video, if not, just type in gatorade aisle on googlecom legit.
Speaker 1:I, when I went to the us and I went to a store, I looked down the soda aisle and I was like, oh, my fucking god, what is this there? There's so many colors and there's like shelves upon shelves of different flavors from the same brand rfk jew is trying to take this away from us.
Speaker 4:It's insane imagine if it was just all natural colors it'd be fine, look awful just pale muted have you ever seen like the the healthy rebrand of gatorade no, no, there's one of these accounts that does all these graphics design. Let's go and take something and they do a total rebrand of it. They make it look like a healthy product and do a really good job.
Speaker 2:Matt does that, I think from Cheat Dave Designs. It's really good.
Speaker 3:Do people recognize that taking Red 40 out of a Dorito isn't going to fix our obesity problem?
Speaker 2:No, they don't.
Speaker 3:Like, have we even talked about that at all as a nation? Like, does anybody think? Finally, we've got the Red 40 out of my Doritos that are still 3,000 calories back.
Speaker 1:Well, isn't it? Red 40? Taking the Red 40 out of Doritos is going to reduce your autism rate.
Speaker 3:I don't want my autism rate reduced.
Speaker 5:That's a superpower. What are you talking about In?
Speaker 1:I don't want my autism rate reduced. That's a superpower. What are you talking about, in fact? Oh, there we go. Mike's changed his hat from the giant trucker hat to please be patient, I have autism.
Speaker 2:Well, according to RFK, people with autism can't even pay taxes.
Speaker 3:So, like you know, I'm way ahead of him. I haven't paid taxes in 10 years. Sorry, autistic.
Speaker 5:I've got the papers. I got my tricorn hat on. I'm obviously not a fan of taxes, it's true.
Speaker 4:Just got to conduct the right raids, have a nice little port of safe harbor.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, our issues are not going to be solved by switching the Shake Shack from seed oils to beef tallow.
Speaker 2:It's going to be exactly the same. No, but we can pretend they are God damn. Not with that attitude. It's doing, Mike, we just are god damn not with that attitude.
Speaker 5:It's doing nothing, mike. We just have to try earner. Believe this the last time. I don't know if this was even ended up in the final podcast because of my storage issues, but my biggest problem with all this is like it is encouraging more people to eat fast food by saying that the fast food is healthier now because of tallow, and you would think the focus would be on getting people out of fast food and away from these big food corporations. But now, now, oh, you know, if McDonald's switches to Tallow, suddenly it's good for you. Now, everyone go and eat McDonald's. Like, what's that all about?
Speaker 1:Meanwhile, the cost of your eggs and produce is going up.
Speaker 4:To play devil's advocate for a minute.
Speaker 4:I would say that if we were in fact able to take the fast food chains and modify what they're doing to a degree where the fast food itself would actually be healthy, then that would be a fantastic thing for health in this country, Because one of the main problems is people either don't know how to make food, don't have time to make food, are too lazy, Like if we could have chains that give us good food at good prices. The problem is just it's easy to cut corners on everything and use the cheapest stuff and do things to maximize.
Speaker 2:So what we need is more Taco Bell is what you're saying.
Speaker 5:That's the issue is just that people are taking that idea, which is great and true, and saying that Talo is going to do that, which is not.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's like you approach it with. He comes on a platform of oh, we want holistic health, root cause of disease, and then starts using a reductionist approach of it's this one ingredient. That is the problem.
Speaker 2:Right, but he swims in fucking lakes and rivers that are filled with bacteria. Are we really like he literally says why would you take medical advice from me? Like he's the head? It's just. It's all a fucking parody. Go watch. Just idiocracy. Then you, then it all just makes sense.
Speaker 1:I've been meaning to watch that.
Speaker 2:That's all you need to do is watch that movie, and all of this makes sense.
Speaker 3:At this point, idiocracy is like an escape from reality. Which is it used to be? Oh, we don't want to devolve to Idiocracy Now. It's like looking back fondly at what could have been.
Speaker 5:It all circles back to the electrolyte drinks. Brondo, brondo, the thirst mutilator bro.
Speaker 2:I brondo's coming out soon. We're gonna get it soon, don't worry nowadays it would be fucking element.
Speaker 3:It's what plants crave hydrogen water, so plants crave use code asprey's boner to get 10 off of your next element shipment. What could we do to make fast food healthier? And I'm not just talking about making everything grilled, because some of the stuff that's grilled is fine, but it always feels like a compromise. I don't know if that's controversial.
Speaker 2:So here's the thing For me fast food, one of just the main issues. I remember Dr Sarah Ballantyne made a video recently showing how actually it can be fairly nutritious. I just see it as it's just always a fucking calorie bomb. Like when you get something from a fast food place, it's like minimum, thousand calories, minimum, like you're, you're 1500, 2000, easy and you're like well, of course now you're gonna be in a calorie surplus with all of this. So it's just a lot of extra fat, a lot of extra sugar, all these things it's just like make it incredibly high in calories and super tasty. I think that, like, I feel like those two are just like the, the main drivers of it.
Speaker 4:There's actually a very interesting shift now, like I did a video a couple months ago about, you know there was this viral video claiming that big food was now trying to hack ozempic by making foods that bypass ozic's appetite reduction and they're trying to make an even more hyper palatable to make even people on Ozempic still get that when you actually look into what they were talking about. What is happening is big food is realizing that Ozempic is putting a very hard cap on how many calories people can consume and shifting eating behavior to make them crave protein and amino acids more, crave vegetables, more essentially nutrient-dense foods, because the body is not consuming enough calories. Therefore, it is prioritizing the things it needs the most, and what they're trying to do now is create processed foods that are essentially little protein, nutrient bombs that they're selling in small portion sizes, and that, in and of itself, is not a bad thing, even for people not on the ozempics of the world, because if you have tasty snacks that are actually high in protein and nutrients, yeah, then that could be a nice option.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that that does sound like a nice option, I think if we just made it small in little ball form, people would eat it too, just because, like we're getting to the point where we just kind of want pills. You know you just take like a nice option. I think if we just made it small in little ball form, people would eat it too, just cause, like we're getting, we're getting to the point where we just kind of want pills. You know you just take like a pill and like, oh, I'm good, so like you just make it a tiny little thing, like, oh, all right, just pop this in.
Speaker 1:You know, my biggest people would just complain.
Speaker 5:What the fuck is this?
Speaker 2:stupid shit on my meat patty. They just throw it away. That's what I think.
Speaker 4:I feel like one of the biggest challenges there is just the supply chain.
Speaker 3:Any company, that's ever removed red food dye or any food dye from their food like. I think Fruit Loops in the United States at one point did a test run where they used natural colors and everybody complained about it. They said it tastes awful now, but in a blind study no one could tell the difference. You know what's funny, though.
Speaker 1:You know, what's funny about that is that they've also done well. Some people have also done blind things, comparing the American Fruit Loops to Canadian Fruit Loops. Canadian Fruit Loops do use the natural colors and people actually like the Canadian Fruit Loops better.
Speaker 4:They probably are better again, it's fucking canada stupid I just can't wait till we annex them on behalf of one thing about america oh yeah, americans know what purple tastes like.
Speaker 1:We know what blue tastes blue it tastes like blue, it tastes red, okay that might explain raspberry so I don't know if you guys have seen it the new, the new pepsi. Um, like was it?
Speaker 2:it's a blue one, it's a blue pepsi what the fuck are you talking about, are you? Why are you making stuff up? That's not new. We've had screwdrivers. Now it's it's new here anyway.
Speaker 1:Okay, you know what, let me. Let me go grab one. I've got one in the fridge I'm gonna go grab it
Speaker 3:I just want to say real quick, while Rob goes and grabs this, none of us are advocating for food dyes.
Speaker 2:I don't know about you. I say everyone should get a liter of food dyes delivered to their house every single morning.
Speaker 5:I get a gallon of red, 40. Orange, I mean, if you put enough yellow five on your skin.
Speaker 4:It'll turn your skin translucent and let you see through to your organs.
Speaker 2:What this?
Speaker 1:is Pepsi Electric Zesty Citrus and it is the bluest soda I have ever seen.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 5:I'm about to Google this one. Is it the electric that adds the blue?
Speaker 1:I guess so, but they went so overboard with the brilliant blue in here. That is a little funny it straight up stains your tongue blue.
Speaker 4:This must be like oh, it's because methylene blue is all the rage. Oh okay, can we dispel?
Speaker 3:this real quick. The methylene blue, just for anybody who might be on the fence.
Speaker 4:See. The thing about dispelling it is that methylene blue is a compound that has a biological impact. It has some benefits. It has some drawbacks. It has some risks. It acts as a monoamine oxidase inhibitor. It can affect mood. It can affect focus. People who take it do in fact, for some of them, feel a cognitive boost. They feel sometimes a little boost in energy. It is something that does have an effect. The problem is there are also some risks. Don't take it alongside an SSRI. Don't take too much. Don't take like it's something that is very poorly understood because there's not a large amount of clinical research outside of very narrow conditions and it's also completely unregulated and the dosage is weird, so like it's very easy to overdo it and misuse it. But it is something that has an effect and it floats in that gray area where just the general public have to be very careful right.
Speaker 5:So is it technically an artificial dye, and if rfk bans it, are people going to start turning against him?
Speaker 4:it is an artificial dye but it is not used as a food dye. It is used in like emergency room contexts. It's actually highly antifungal in certain ways. Used to treat tooth uh toe fungus when combined with red light.
Speaker 5:A couple other uses anymore I remember using it in my uh microbiology lab for staining.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, when you said it's used in an emergency room, I was like, okay, so when people start turning to yellow, they inject a little bit of blue in them it's like the four humors.
Speaker 2:You got to balance them yeah, it's well.
Speaker 4:It's used to treat septic shock, I believe that's pretty important.
Speaker 5:Remember most people taking it are probably not not having sepsis somebody told me, do not let it touch your skin because it will stain and not wash out, and I was very scared of that.
Speaker 4:Now people are putting it on their tongue if it does touch your skin, does that vitamin c actually is helpful for getting it out Really?
Speaker 3:Yes, the Methylene Blue man Group.
Speaker 2:The Methylene Blue man. They just fucking get a whole bag of it and they pop out.
Speaker 3:Their music would suck too. A GOP conference they always have somebody who's never sung. Once do the anthem.
Speaker 2:Oh shit.
Speaker 3:They'd be smacking buckets and stuff all out of key and can we get that going? The methylene blue man group whatever we want going not not do anything. We want the problem, not rob because he's in canada, but we, as americans, do whatever we want let's include. I think rob can come in time to time won't be a full member.
Speaker 1:Well, that that depends on if your borders actually let me in see, rob.
Speaker 4:The question is how would your beard look when it's blue? Then you'd be blue beard. I think it might look pretty sick, honestly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think so there's an idea, there's an idea, okay, so. So actually, I'm planning on doing a, a twitch streamathon for my birthday coming up, and I actually have on my board one of the goals ideas being dye my beard. So maybe, if we get enough, get enough goals on this birthday subathon then I'll be blue beard I like it.
Speaker 2:I think we're giving Dave Asprey some ideas, and I don't like it.
Speaker 4:I actually have dyed my beard blue before, but I've never had a beard even close to that length, did you? Did you like bleach it first or just straight up? Yeah, yeah, you have to. It's not going to take at all over the existing color. If you're I mean yours is light enough. There would be like a shifting. You'd get a sort of bright greenish, right, very dark look.
Speaker 1:But if you want solid blue, you need to bleach it first right, I'm always worried about the bleaching process, since it's weakens the strands and stuff yeah it's.
Speaker 4:You can get more sensitive bleaching like bleaches for sensitive skin, bleaches that damage the hair a little bit less. When they have sort of combined formulas, it's really not too bad as long as your hair is healthy welcome to in moderation we talk about dying your fucking hairs blue and all sorts of other colors. I mean, my hair is actually blue right now, or some of it.
Speaker 3:We started on penis stem cells.
Speaker 5:I think we're on our way up. Honestly, We've covered the whole body at this point.
Speaker 1:You know what? Let's take a shift here. No, no we're missing the feet. We're missing. The feet, come on.
Speaker 4:Actually I mentioned how methylene blue can treat foot fungus oh sorry, there we go there it is mentioned but,
Speaker 5:I want to.
Speaker 3:We're always talking about what's bad, and we've been talking, and it's important to do that because it's it's so prevalent. I think we should also share the things that we've seen lately that are good, like what are some good pieces of advice you've seen in a video lately. Well, mike, you got to start us out then I'll start us off.
Speaker 3:there was somebody who had said it was a you know a little bit of of a tough love situation, um, but they'd said that I wish I knew who this was. They said your excuses are all valid, but their excuses nonetheless. So the things that you're feeling are true and there's reasons that you're feeling them and reasons that you're acting the way that you are or not acting the way that you want to be, but you deserve a solution. Outside of that, what can we do to get around these things so that the excuses aren't dictating our actions anymore? And I just thought it was a really good way to release people of having to hide from blame or shame that comes with not accomplishing the things you want to accomplish, because a lot of the times, the reasons that we're in the situations we're in it's because our coping mechanism is food or rotting. So when we feel shame from inaction, it just compounds on itself and builds more shame and more inaction. So I just thought that was really useful and a neat piece of advice or a clarification.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think that's great. I know for myself that my coping mechanism like when I get into a hole where I cannot make myself be productive, rather than distract myself with eating, I literally distract myself by reading more research papers because that tickles the part of the brain that says, oh, I'm being productive. Right now I'm learning translating even 10% of the things that I'm reading towards actual sharing generation creation, and it's a bad zone to get stuck in sometimes and I think everyone has that type of thing. Like it's so easy to convince yourself that something you're doing is part way towards what you want to be doing and is not inherently bad, but it's not good. Like the biggest problem we typically all face is actually devoting our time to the things that make the biggest difference, as opposed to just little bits along the way.
Speaker 5:Like shirtless podcasts.
Speaker 4:Like shirtless podcasts. This makes a difference. Yeah, something's different. We are normalizing the effect of the requirement for shirts in the podcasting world.
Speaker 3:I'll tell you that.
Speaker 1:I like that.
Speaker 3:The reason that I have a following is because I, two years ago, almost two years ago, I took my shirt off at the boardwalk by the beach, and it's it's actually how I met you, Liam, because you had stitched my video of me doing this. And it was the first time that I'd done that, and it's since I'd lost my weight. No-transcript. The third installment of that video. I've been doing one every year now.
Speaker 2:That's awesome.
Speaker 3:If anybody out there is nervous to be among the people because you don't feel like you're allowed to, or whatever, send them to me.
Speaker 1:Mike, how did we meet?
Speaker 3:I?
Speaker 1:I'm not really sure I I was following well, do you remember how you met liam but not me? Uh, is it because I'm canadian?
Speaker 5:I think that might probably god damn it to think about canadians here I think we just mutually followed.
Speaker 3:I was following you and then you followed me back and I said oh, holy shit, now I'm in the big leagues. Now I realize you guys are a bunch of fucking assholes we try to be.
Speaker 2:Uh no, here, listen, this is what I this. This is something that I feel like needs to be more normalized, and it's because I've been getting do it going over this fucking tiffany plate a bunch of times. You've seen this shit where this is like this this lady she's got like cottage cheese and then she puts mustard on it and then she dips a bunch of shit in it, like yeah, it's weird, like whatever. But like I think also, when people are like, oh, I gotta be healthy, fuck man, now I gotta look up these recipes and I gotta get all the right ingredients and I gotta make it and then I gotta store these things because I gotta meal prep and all this shit, why not just like put some shit on a plate like whole, like just dumb it down, literally as dumb as it possibly can be. Get yourself a plate, find nutritious shit that you like I don't care what it is. So there's berries or fucking pickles or what, who cares, doesn't matter, like whatever, just have that stuff, put it on a plate and then have something like pre-made, like dipping thing that you like I was talking about in the videos, like the ballhouse dressings and shit, but like it doesn't matter. Just like whatever condiment that you like to like dip things in, do that? If it's fucking cottage cheese and mustard, you weirdo, that's fine.
Speaker 2:But you know, just have something and then just eat. Like how long did that take you? You were at your fridge, you have a plate, boom, you put stuff on it. Then you eat it. Done like it doesn't have to be complicated with all these like I I got to make these recipes and chop shit up. No, like that's why I kind of liked when the bulk in breakfast was like kind of going viral and people were just like eating stuff. I'm like, yeah, just put it out there on your table, don't even use a plate, just literally put it on your table straight. And people are like you're raw. Talking to table, I'm like I've raw dog, way worse than a fucking table. So just put it somewhere and then eat it. It's not that complicated, that's what I would say.
Speaker 5:Just not on a wood cutting board.
Speaker 2:I mean honestly, go primal, Be a fucking primal boy. I don't give a shit at this point. Do whatever you want. It makes you feel good. I feel like my version of that.
Speaker 4:a lot of the time, I'll just like take a full day's worth of nutrients and just put them in a smoothie, and then Sure why did I suddenly just notice you have a hook?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was just about to say we're 40 minutes into this.
Speaker 2:You got a hook.
Speaker 3:Sometimes you're supposed to put the hook at the beginning of the video. It's a content creation.
Speaker 4:Rule number one Sometimes you just gotta be thematically appropriate. Oh, okay, he's also got a peg leg.
Speaker 2:Avast you mateys. So when are you putting me smoothies? Yeah, just put them in a blender. Put everything in a blender and just make it that way. Fine, who can't, who gives a shit? Put it, put it somewhere and then put it in your mouth. Hole Done.
Speaker 3:I want everybody here to really internalize the next words I'm about to say. Anyone listening right now fear opens wallets. If somebody is trying seemingly trying to make you afraid of anything and not offering information, or they just happen to conveniently be selling the solution, they're trying to get you to open your wallet. It's not very complicated, it really isn't. You just change a couple of things and you do them consistently. You find a way to enjoy them and you go on and suddenly you're no longer profitable to the multi-trillion dollar wellness industry, which makes quite a bit more money than big pharma, as they call it. Fear opens wallets.
Speaker 4:If you are afraid right now, there's a reason for it. It's basic human psychology. There's some really interesting studies where they go and they try to measure how much people will do to get a certain amount of money and then how much they will do to not lose that amount of money. So like they'll say here's $50, either do this, or we'll take it from you, or you can do this to earn $50. And across the board, everyone will always do more to avoid losing that $50 than they would to get that $50. That's interesting.
Speaker 5:How do you apply that to?
Speaker 4:the real world. Well, in this sort of context, all these companies typically apply it in the sense that people are willing to spend more to avoid losing than to gain. People will react more based on fear than for positives, like it's really hard to get people to do something to improve themselves, but they're doing. It's easier to get them to be afraid of something that might go go wrong. I'm not saying it very clearly, but I think.
Speaker 3:Let me think about a good example of this yeah, I'll tell you, anytime I start a video with something that feels negative, it does better than the videos where I start with, like you know, just a calm, positive tone. It's I I almost kind of have to bait and switch it to get my messages across, because if I just come forth with like good information, like encouraging, motivational information, people don't tune in.
Speaker 4:It's not encouraging enough for them to stick around my most successful video of all time was actually the ironically, the one that I think think first put me in touch with Rob. I was a little bit out of my normal character, where usually I'm extremely level-headed in everything that I say about science, health, all of that. But I decided to be a little bit over the top and talk about a study about putting bananas in smoothies and why it can degrade the polyphenols in those smoothies. And I started off by being like don't just. Yeah, I'm not surprised. I was like stop putting bananas in your smoothies. It destroys their nutritional value.
Speaker 4:And I still hold to the fact like I no longer put bananas in my smoothies because it legitimately does degrade the polyphenols. It doesn't make the whole smoothie not healthy, it just lowers it all to a certain degree. If you ever put it in there and let it sit for a day and then try to taste it afterwards. That is why it tastes so bad because of that enzymatic breakdown. But the problem is that that video got me another 200,000 followers on Instagram or something, because I was talking about something to be afraid of with regards to health and showing science around it. And then I posted another follow up video for a five minute breakdown of all of the actual science around that go like look at all the nuance. Let's talk about why. It is something to keep in mind if you're trying to optimize, but not something to be afraid of, and I you know 40 000 people saw that, because who cares they? No one wants the details.
Speaker 1:No one wants to be fair. The the follow-up video is why you're here right now.
Speaker 4:So yeah, I mean it, it had. Yeah, I just wish the two could be like, I could link the two Like don't, don't share this until you watch this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Meanwhile, jacob, over here, I, I'm still. I'm going to hold that forever. I think I might have been like the first person to find you. You had like I don't even think 100 followers on Instagram.
Speaker 5:Yeah, and you were just posting fact after fact.
Speaker 3:I'm like this dude rocks, like you guys got to check this out. It was just like it's. It was these five second videos where you just had the caption and you're stone cold mogging us on the thing, and it's, it was just like that's it. That's the famous face. And then, yeah, the famous face. And then, yeah, you guys all saw him too, and it's like that. Just that's an example of how a fact can just ride on itself without having to scare people okay, seriously folks.
Speaker 1:Mike remembers how he met liam, how he met jacob, how he met abisha, because that was just 48 minutes ago. He does not remember how he met me I do.
Speaker 3:I have a screenshot of you following me as in, I took a picture. You were behind me somewhere and I said this guy's following.
Speaker 4:Oh, like following physically following, not following online.
Speaker 1:Back in my stalking days.
Speaker 5:I'm glad I'm not the only one who documents that stuff, cause I have a folder on my phone I think it's just called exciting and as I've been growing my account every time, a big, a big account follows me I do take a screenshot or like if someone dms me, that is one of these big, well established accounts I I documented that so I could see I could look back and be like you know, I actually do have all these people who want to connect with me. Maybe there is some value to what I'm saying and it's a.
Speaker 3:It just encourages me a bit more when I go back and look at all that wait until you get jaded and cynical and Joey Swole likes something that you posted and it doesn't matter anymore. You feel nothing.
Speaker 4:I think that's a great idea, jacob. It's something that I wish I'd started doing earlier, and by earlier I mean ever, but it's a great idea.
Speaker 3:You're one of us now, but that's just the way it is. Whatever us is, whatever this whole thing is, I don't know if I five shirtless guys, that's what this whole?
Speaker 1:thing?
Speaker 2:is five shirtless guys restaurant five shirtless guys can we open?
Speaker 3:it's just it's like five guys, just a little different, it's not that big well, that's where we make our healthy fast food, or the healthier fast food, where it's not so much calorie bombs they use peanut oil to fry their fries, so it's not technically a seed oil right, which means it's good. Legume oil. There we go. I don't think anyone's ever said that, but it's true.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I like the sound of it, anyone?
Speaker 3:interested in some legume oil. Legume oil Lentils are legumes right Legume oil.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, they are.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so lentil oil, is that a thing that sounds fucking awful. So one thing that really does bug me in this space is there is so much fear around different individual types of nutrients, products, things like. I was hosting a dinner party last year and this was like this mix and match event where I was being sent a bunch of single girls and I was supposed to invite some of my, like, single male friends to just, you know, put them together and in advance this girl messages me saying that, okay, these are my dietary restrictions. Well, I asked if anyone had any dietary restrictions and she said that I cannot consume white flour, sugar or oil. Yeah, and I tried to clarify like sesame oil, peanut oil, does that mean you could have whole wheat flour? Like what's what's going on here? What, what does that mean? Like, how, how does one not, how can they not eat oil, just as a lipids, as a category, be alive?
Speaker 3:well, it's because, yeah, people's definition of like what counts and what doesn't count is is a lot of it's very arbitrary, depending on where you're getting your sources from okay, let me tell you what pisses me off in the fucking, like food space and shit.
Speaker 2:Uh, I hate, I hate. I think I've talked about before, but I hate cheat meals and cheat days, like just so much and I was thinking about it recently and I'm like okay, so basically what you have is a planned binge. That's all you're saying is like I'm planning to binge later and like but can you imagine if somebody did this, but with some, with, with, not food. Imagine. So, okay, imagine we're having a conversation like hey, mike, we're having a conversation. All right, let's start the conversation. Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 2:hey so that's cool. I have been recently just holding my piss as long as I possibly can. For like two days I just hold my piss and then like at one point I just fucking fire, hose, that shit and it feels so good I piss. For like five minutes straight I am pissing, and then I just save it all up again as much until I feel like I'm gonna burst, and then I just let it go up again as much until I feel like I'm going to burst and then I just let it go. So how you doing Actually?
Speaker 5:good mythical morning and we're going to clip that and it's going to go viral.
Speaker 2:I just like you would be like hey, are you OK? Do you need help? I will talk to you. But when it's about food, people like, oh no, bro, that's totally cool.
Speaker 2:I do it all the time too, like all right, like sure, but the rock holds his piss that long. Oh, that's like. Imagine you did it with literally any other bodily function, like. It's just like I, I, I, I hold my shit for as long as possible. I don't sleep for days, and then I just sleep for a day straight like 24 hours. You would be like you're not well and I need to talk to you, but food is the one thing that we're like. Yeah, nah, bro, that's totally normal.
Speaker 4:See, I'm going to partially disagree, though, when it comes to cheat days and based on, like, the overall psychology of dieting.
Speaker 4:I think a big trap that people fall into is viewing it as an all or nothing proposition, like I don't eat this, I do eat this, and then, as soon as they fall off the bandwagon, it's like well, I broke my streak back to the pizza and really, in order to create like lasting lifestyle changes, that outside, with certain people who managed to just somehow keep up the same super restrictive diet forever because it's such a big streak, in general, I think it's a lot healthier to view it as shifting a mindset towards being a healthier person, being a person who prioritizes one food group over another, a person who eats certain types of foods and avoids other types of foods, not as an all or nothing thing, just as a general trend.
Speaker 4:And if someone is trying to adopt a new diet, saying that one day per week, you're just going to ignore some of these requirements that you put on yourself, to realize that that's not going to entirely destroy everything you're doing. You can still have some of the things that you love, as long as you do it in moderation. The problem is when they view that as, instead, this is the one day to see if I can eat 7,000 calories worth of Twinkies, because on the other six days I can eat Twinkies.
Speaker 2:I think that's how it's going to happen. A lot of the time, though, because they are so restrictive and that's what they often do is that there's just by that, sunday rolls around. They're like God, thank Jesus, I'm able to consume actual food, and so then, of course, they're going to do that Plus on top of that. Then you have this whole like oh, it's like I'm going to a friend's party on thursday, but now my cheat day, sunday. Sorry, can't do anything then. So you kind of have this like all or like only on this day and you can't.
Speaker 2:That's that's why we'd rather be like yeah, you can have a twinkie on monday and wednesday and friday instead of having 10 on saturday so, like I think, but no, I get your idea, though, of just being less restrictive and being like okay, yeah, that's, it's okay to have this thing. I, I like that. I would just like rephrase it or rebrand it, or whatever is less like of a cheat day and just more of like it's okay to be less restrictive. I don't know, I think there's something there, but I get what you're saying the word cheat is a real problem in that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, you're building anticipation or undue value onto it. That it's. It just becomes this whole thing that you think about it all the time. It's. I don't. I used to think about food all the time. I don't want to do that anymore, as when I was at my heaviest it would all day. I'd just be like, oh, I can't wait to go to McDonald's for my third time today. I used to be three times a day. I'd go there and I was still excited about somehow autism, um, but it's. Yeah, if you build anticipation for something, you're gonna overdo it. Or food, rather, I should say, makes sense. So don't do that.
Speaker 1:And if food is the only exciting thing in your life. You go on the roller coaster and then you go on it 20 times and you end up barfing I get fucking headaches on roller coasters. I don't really like them all that much same, I'm not a fan of roller coasters myself.
Speaker 2:I don't hate them, but like I'm not like, oh, totally my head I like spinning rides around.
Speaker 1:Let me show you that face, that face of visa just gave me.
Speaker 4:You're like oh, I like that, I like vomiting, that's just I actually.
Speaker 3:I hold my vomit for several days, so okay.
Speaker 1:What's that ride called Pepto-Bismol.
Speaker 2:I'm hopping on.
Speaker 1:So I, when we were in grade I don't know, grade six, grade seven, I don't know somewhere on there, we went to Callaway Park, which is a amusement park in Calgary, and they had the Berry Go Round, which is one of those ones where you manually spin it. Oh yeah, which?
Speaker 1:is one of those ones where you manually spin it. Oh yeah. So, um, I was on there with, uh, three other guys and we, we, before the ride started, we sat there like, okay, we are going to spin this as fast as we fucking can. And I was like, fuck, yes, okay, so we, we get, we get into it, we start going, we're getting fast. Two of the guys, they're like oh, I can't take this anymore, and they just kind of bow out and they're sitting there like, uh, me and me and one other guy, we're just cranking at it, cranking at it, cranking at it and I'm sorry that part, forget the other part yeah, me and one of these other guys we're cranking it so hard.
Speaker 2:That's the, and then we injected the stem cells.
Speaker 1:But like he uh, eventually he gave in and he was like no, I can't, and I'm just I'm like screw you guys, I just keep going and I'm just cranking at this thing so hard. Eventually the ride stops and the guy comes over to us and he's like dude, you need to stop. You are you're going to break the ride because you were going too fast?
Speaker 3:the ride's over. Why are you telling me to stop then?
Speaker 1:unfortunately, like I I hate to disappoint you none of them vomited, but like I, I love the. The moral of the story was just I love spinny rides and I can handle them, so all right, that was the moral, I guess my stomach has always been weaker than most other parts, like even back in the day when I would drink more amounts of alcohol.
Speaker 4:like I've never gotten to the point of real, like mental. I'm mentally always there, but my stomach will give out before my brain.
Speaker 5:I'm the same way.
Speaker 3:Are there stem cells we can send to our stomachs that we could make them not throw up.
Speaker 4:I mean, there are all sorts of things you can do when drinking to mitigate the effects to some degree, but stem cells are not typically part of the list. Yeah, usually just a shot of red 40.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Check out the in moderation website for a discount code on penis stem cells.
Speaker 4:Soon, we mix them with red 40.
Speaker 3:So that thing is we actually we only have compounded stem cells, so there's vitamin b in it and stuff to make it promo code mike needs another inch actually some doctor said it's a perfect size. Some doctor completely perfect, in fact the doctor said it might even be too much was that doctor a psychiatrist?
Speaker 1:oh god, chiropractor good samaritan you, you went to the happy ending chiropractor. A good samaritan you, you went to the happy ending chiropractor didn't you?
Speaker 4:yeah, some things you really don't want to crack god but you need stem cells, there you go.
Speaker 5:So now we've got the whole process figured out yeah, we figured it out.
Speaker 4:It took us an hour to get there, but we figured it out there was a study at one point looking at the rate of penile injuries by calendar day. Oh god, and valentine's day was up there. I think the highest was new year's new year's interesting really like combining lots of copulation with inebriation yeah, that'll do it it's fireworks did you like the firework with your penis.
Speaker 3:People can blow themselves out. Every year you hear people blowing their hands off. You know there's an equal amount of stories of people blowing their balls off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think that's a penile fracture, though I think that's kind of a different injury.
Speaker 3:Oh, fracture Mine's really strong. If I had fireworks hit mine, it would be mostly okay. I'd have to take a breather for a couple of days, but it's not in the cards for me to lose it. Yeah, we've got someone in the er with a powder residue on. I keep saying he's fine, but he's bleeding out. He won't show us id. He says you should know who I am. I have 352 000 followers on instagram. I'm famous, I'm famous, I'm famous and then passed out. This has been an episode of in moderation without much moderation.
Speaker 3:When we bring it back under moderation, what's that happening? Uh, when I needed, oh there we go, moderation needed, oh that could be a good one.
Speaker 5:There's another spinoff.
Speaker 1:I like that I'd love to bring back under moderation. I've just been too overwhelmed with things. I'm having trouble even organizing this podcast.
Speaker 3:We've all got busy schedules. We made it happen, did it again, by the way, on a slightly different note.
Speaker 4:I've been thinking a lot about various ways that health creators could possibly monetize in an authentic manner, and I think this is a really, really big problem in the space, because you have your like. Fashion creators can sell clothes and that's authentic, Even just like gym bro, like fitness creators, it's a very easy, direct like okay, get my little fitness course and that's that's already starting to get sketchy my pre-workout.
Speaker 4:Well, that's the thing, as soon as you start selling supplements, then all of a sudden your credibility within the more like scientific, health debunking type space goes way down and basically anything like. I know, rob, you're in Canada so you don't get this quite as much. But when the dozens of brands reach out on a very regular basis saying sell my random supplement or health product even for the ones that I look at what they're doing and I think you know what there's some degree of legitimacy here I still can't sell them because it's too big of a hit to my credibility. As soon as I'm within the space, I can no longer talk about the space. So it's really and. But meanwhile it's like if I want to spend the majority of my time reading through medical research and trying to figure out how to actually explain this stuff, it's by definition whatever I'm spending my most time on. I can't actually turn into any sort of income stream and there's a lot of ways that at some point we'll have a longer conversation about ways of doing it.
Speaker 4:But one thing that I've been workshopping just in terms of, like you know, the Patreon model of you know, pay for different sorts of tiers. The problem is patreon is essentially donations. You guess you can give little perks and stuff, but what type of perks can you give that are actually useful? So one thing that I have been working on building is the ability to create a searchable portal for everything that a creator has ever put out. So imagine if you could go to your fans and say, like, like, I spend all my time talking about all these different topics. Tiktok search is bad, but if you Tim straight, it is Like 499, come in and you can actually get access to a well-indexed, searchable database of everything I've ever posted across all these different social media platforms and get the answer directly there, and it's something that could be easily spun up. In fact, I don't have it on my computer right now, but I actually have a demo version, rob, for your content. Oh, really.
Speaker 3:You were talking about this in our Discord a while back. It was around the time that TikTok was about to get banned, I think.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's something where I very likely I've been working on this for a while and I think it could be really cool both for individual creators to offer and even as a potential sort of like aggregate health creator network, to have different sorts of opt-ins and subscribe to different people as sort of like an aggregated tool, like oh both, even for us to say, okay, who's covered this in what way?
Speaker 4:So we can direct the other way. But imagine, like a database of all the things that we have said, that we can provide as sort of a network subscription service to this sort of information. And there's an added level there which is, I don't feel, authentic in recommending any type of health product, because if I do that in a 60 second video, I can't tell you the week that I spent researching all of their patents, their clinical research trials, the like medical literature review around what they're doing and it comes across as inauthentic. But if within the portal you can say, okay, these are the products that I use for this reason and you can see the full stack of why I would or would not recommend it, then suddenly that opens up the space to saying this is a way that a health influencer can recommend a product with full authenticity because it is paired with the full degree of transparency around, why or why not do we actually recommend it?
Speaker 2:I like that I like that a lot but I here's one concern I guess I would just have is, like, a lot of times people don't want, like all of that extra fluff I guess I don't fluff is maybe not the right word but all of that extra information. Often when I talk to people they're like listen, liam, I just want a yes or no. I just want, like I want yes or I want no for this and like I and for me, like I'm an honest person, I will tell you if I think this is yes or no. But I know a lot of people are, like you know, shitty and just will say yes to everything to sell it. So, like I don't know there's sometimes I just want to be able to.
Speaker 1:I feel like at the same time, as long as the indexed videos have their time marks and you can organize them by the duration of the video even those people can look at the short videos, like I guess that's the thing they want to.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, it's. I would feel a lot more comfortable giving an easy yes or no to something and even like making a short video, selling it, if I could say and if you want the actual reason why I'm doing this, it's there, it's accessible and for those of you who are interested, it's it's like publicly available.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's fair. I publicly available. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, I like that a lot Because I think a lot of people are just going to be like cool, yeah, sounds good and just go along with it.
Speaker 4:The majority yes, I agree, everybody listening.
Speaker 1:go head over to Avish's channel. I'll tell you what that is in a second. Go over to his channel and let us know if you would subscribe to that service and that's your point to drop your channel.
Speaker 4:Yeah, actually I should create a sign up at some point to be able to let people really know. I mean, if you go to my website, sign up for the newsletter, it'll definitely be announced there. But this is something I've been workshopping for a while could be a really interesting method for people within our space to actually more authentically monetize in a way that actually helps people, because it helps them say, look, actually use this, it works, as opposed to these 17 things that don't.
Speaker 3:I I'm all in for this. For sure you've got my fault because, like I was saying, like we, we have really narrowed down our money making potential by being fucking honest on the internet, which sad but true because it's we can I get offers in my inbox all the goddamn time to sell glp1 medications with a. They say you can run your own telemedicine clinic. I'm like motherfucker, I own it. Please be patient. I'm autistic hat. You do not want me running a medicine clinic. I don't have certifications to do that. Talk to your doctor, not your influencer. But they're offering life-changing amounts of money. I could make what I make in a year and a month doing that stuff, but I won't do it.
Speaker 4:There's a massive increase now in companies that are starting to target the GLP-1 space, even just like for supplements. There was one company I was looking at that they're selling a combination supplement targeted at GLP-1 users to give them everything that they are missing. It's basically a scoop of protein powder and a multivitamin that they're selling for a like $80 a month subscription for like a scoop of protein powder and a multivitamin per day, but they're giving that markup because it's targeted at GLP-1 users. Right, smart evil, but smart. Yeah, it is smart. They're going to make a killing off people who don't know any better and just think that, oh, this is what the medicine says I should take alongside my Ozempic and you know what it is, but you don't need the custom label. It's like women's shampoo.
Speaker 1:Also seeing a rise in peptides. Along with that. Take along with that. Take these peptides instead of GLP-1,. Take these peptides with GLP-1.
Speaker 4:I think Another mini rant here. Okay, ever since Ozempic and GLP-1s have made their way, mainstream, people now recognize GLP-1. So there's this whole sector that's like this is the natural GLP-1 equivalent. Natural GLP-1 equivalent Take cinnamon, it raises your glp-1. Grapefruit raises your glp-1. If you look at the actual biochemistry involved here, when you get a like when you eat food, glp-1 goes up because it's your body's satiety mechanism says okay, you know what, if you eat a little bit more, you're gonna throw up like don't do that. The thing is natural. Glp-1 has an extremely short half-life. It occurs and then immediately dissipates.
Speaker 4:The way Ozempic works is they've modified the molecule to be an agonist. It locks into that same receptor, but you get one injection and it stays around all week, so that for the duration of the week your body thinks that it is mostly full and the amount that you have circulating is orders of magnitude more than you would be getting naturally. And the amount that gets triggered by something like cinnamon is a physiologic level. It's like a 30% increase in GLP-1, not a 3000% increase that stays all week. So saying that cinnamon is equivalent to Ozempic, it's night and day. There's literally no relationship there. Yeah, cinnamon will slightly decrease your blood sugar spike after a meal, if taken in the suitable quantity before, and whether or not that has a health impact it's debatable, but it is going to be entirely qualitatively different than a drug like ozempic but what about green tea, though I've heard that's way better than green tea is healthy.
Speaker 4:Drink a lot of green tea that honestly.
Speaker 2:No, no, here's my mini rant. At this point I say, fuck it all the oat zempic. If you've seen that, where people are drinking oats and lime and they're like it's just like ozempic, I say sure, I don't give a shit at this point, just say it is and just drink it. Is it ozempic? Of course it's fucking not. It's not even anywhere close. But it's still oats and like lime and shit. That's good, or like all these other ones. You know, we can do another one with like fucking way gloomy or whatever, legumes and way go be or some shit. Put those together. I don't give a shit, it's beans, it's being ozempic. I, it's all, it's all ozempic. I don't care, just fucking eat it or drink your tea or whatever Like, and liam checks out, all right. That's that's my fucking rant. But I was gonna say before that I think the big thing is gonna be the fucking cal ai trackers, the calorie trackers that are fucking ai. That's gonna be massive. That's gonna be so huge.
Speaker 4:It's all bullshit, but it's gonna be huge because they can make so much money off it yeah, it doesn't have to be problematic though, because it it is true that what you track like if you actually keep a log, that is one of the most effective ways of minimizing your total calorie consumption.
Speaker 4:But it's really hard and annoying and no one's going to do it for an extended period of time. But if we get really good at the AI tracking for food logging, that could actually be a really useful tool for weight loss tool for weight loss. Combine that with the fact, like I can go and have chad gpt act as an expert nutritionist create a low calorie, high satiety, a high micronutrient content food set of recipes, have an agentic ai, go and place an instacart order for all the necessary ingredients to make those foods and have it show up with all the necessary like instructions and not be paying the extra. Hello, fresh arm and a leg markup on top of it and that goes right into the tracker and suddenly you've got this fully like concierge meal service that I think there's a place for ai, certainly within all of this.
Speaker 2:But the idea that you can go to a restaurant, just like, take a picture of your food and they're like, oh, 800 calories. Like, yeah, okay, sure, like we're not, we're nowhere near there, but like you could, yeah we're not quite there in terms of that level of accuracy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like we're getting there though if you have, like you know, you take a picture like oh, I have three eggs and there's a sweet potato there. Sure, that could probably track that pretty well, but, like you know what people are using it for right now? It's, it's not.
Speaker 3:Yeah I saw a video of somebody putting it was a bowl of oatmeal and they took a picture and AI said it was like 300 calories or something. And then they took an entire bottle of olive oil and put it in there and like arranged it so that the oatmeal would be on the top. And then they took a picture again. It said 300 calories. Meanwhile there's like 7,000 calories sitting in there. We're not ever going to be. How could it ever tell?
Speaker 5:It could get better. You have to like, scan every single ingredient and have to know, like, how big it is and how much volume it's taking up.
Speaker 1:Maybe if you took the picture before cooking.
Speaker 4:It's really about user training. Like people need to know what types of foods will be accurate and what types will not. You're talking about like a grilled chicken breast. It's easier to estimate that there are certain types of like salads where the ingredients are discrete and then you have to like, maybe figure out, the typical dressing concentration. What have you like? There are some things that they won't be able to tell, but it can at least get you part of the way there do a guesstimate. The problem is you definitely can't rely on it as a 100% and you got to know which things it's going to be completely off about.
Speaker 3:Just do your best. Whoever's listening to us right now Just don't do your worst.
Speaker 2:That's what we say.
Speaker 1:Fuck your best, just don't do your worst.
Speaker 4:Do your worst.
Speaker 2:Just don't be your worst, and that's fine.
Speaker 1:And apparently also don't be Canadian. That's what I've learned. You won't have to be for a while.
Speaker 4:I keep saying that.
Speaker 3:We need to have an intervention. Ron, you can't do this anymore.
Speaker 4:Meanwhile, like I often spend a lot of time using like chronometer trying to track exactly what I'm eating and creating these different recipes to try and figure out, like how to cram more calories into my day, I have a really hard time putting on weight.
Speaker 3:Isn't that a crazy position to be in.
Speaker 4:It gets very little sympathy.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 4:After losing 110 pounds.
Speaker 3:I never thought my situation would be. I've got to put weight on, but sure enough, that's what it was, and it's taken me what? Almost three years now to put on a healthier 20 pounds.
Speaker 4:I mean one of the single best like metrics that correlates with longevity and healthy longevity and health span is muscle mass. And it gets harder and harder to put on muscle mass the older you get, so like putting on as much as possible now is great.
Speaker 5:But you're saying it's hard if you can't maintain a caloric surplus and take the testosterone.
Speaker 4:you know all that sort of stuff Take steroids yeah, can't maintain a caloric surplus and take the testosterone. You know all that sort of stuff take steroids yeah, yeah, trt sarms, you know it's actually. It's fascinating how steroids there's a lot of like research coming out now where, like people who are former like steroids users, the impact stays with their body in the sense that they will, like, always be able to maintain more muscle than people who haven't used them, and that doesn't necessarily mean that those people are going to have long-term net health positives. But it does have interesting implications for, like bodybuilding competitions and current steroid use versus former steroid use. Right, right, it's. Also I think we're going to start seeing a very different sort of approach to trt, especially for people in like, not like. It's very stigmatized now in many ways, but I feel like it probably gets a bad rap because I know someone who has on the very low end, yeah like it's a muscle.
Speaker 5:I know people who are about my age who are starting trt with perfectly normal testosterone levels just to like get that boost yeah, that's not when in reality that's called steroids I'm 23 oh, yeah, you.
Speaker 3:I mean not that there's ever an age that you should. Yeah, you're 40, it's time to start on steroids. But yeah, that's, that's insane. You don't even give yourself a chance.
Speaker 5:Yeah, at that point, yeah, like unless you have a diagnosed like testicular condition I know a guy who had higher testosterone than I have right now, who started TRT, and it's just like unless you're job, throwing away money each month, also a good job, potentially destroying your body's ability to endogenously produce testosterone, so you might have to be on like the TRT stuff for the rest of your life If you don't do it like carefully.
Speaker 5:That's what scares me. That's like, that's like that's. That's the no-go. There's nothing that would make me risk that yeah, no, that's.
Speaker 4:That's terrifying. Like I'm sure I would feel better if I took more testosterone, but like I don't want to do that to myself it's like the after however many generations of humans reproducing.
Speaker 5:I don't want to take something to make me feel a little bit better. That's just going to cut off the potential of me reproducing I got a vasectomy.
Speaker 3:I can do whatever the hell I want.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna start blasting a thousand milligrams of trend jacob's over here talking about reproducing, meanwhile liam's like I want the snip and mike's already got the snip.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm fucking speaking of new science, there is now a male, iud I saw that, bro.
Speaker 3:I heard about that so cool.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, yeah, they finally passed it huh see, the scary thing to me is it's basically like a little switch. You could turn on and off, but like, imagine forgetting the position.
Speaker 3:Like on off, it's in hold on, I gotta turn my balls off, wait I saw the way.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, I saw the one that that's. It's like for a certain period of time, like you put like a hard, like it's like a hard gel or something basically in there that like yeah, that is one.
Speaker 4:There is one that was announced pretty recently that seems to be like potentially like a little mechanical thing that you could flip on and off that yeah I've been following that one, that one's interesting presumably there would be a ironclad way of telling which setting.
Speaker 2:Yeah I would hope so. Can I rename the settings to like full blast or like.
Speaker 3:I want to set a ringtone. So every time I switch it it's like oh, that's there.
Speaker 1:There, you know, you just need to connect to Bluetooth and then you can look at your phone Okay. Am I? Am I fertile right now? On off.
Speaker 3:Kiss from a rose out of my sack, and that's how I can.
Speaker 1:Goddamn my sack. And that's how I can cut down my kiss from a rose. For those, for those who don't know um on my live streams on twitch, mike will come in and I've got the ability to request songs. If you, you know, put 50 bits in the jukebox, mike will put like like 10 000 bits in and it'll be like play kiss from a rose 20 times I had to tell my account you ever heard the like?
Speaker 3:that's where the money was going because she was like why is there a bunch of money going to Twitch?
Speaker 1:Don't worry, that's me.
Speaker 5:No one stole my investment.
Speaker 4:It's an investment. Have you ever heard the John Mulaney sketch about what's new Pussycat?
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a great one. I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 3:I once had Rob play 10 Kisses from a Rose and then I think it was one like 800 or it was what was like 2000.
Speaker 1:It was a one hertz sine wave.
Speaker 3:One kilohertz sine wave. Yeah, so it's just suddenly after 10 Kisses from a Rose.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Mike is a lot of chaos in my stream. Still haven't been banned.
Speaker 3:That all being said. I do have to clock out of here, so I am going to remove myself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, make sure everybody can. It's time to wrap up, tell people where to find you. It's all this normal shit, Jesus you've been on this podcast like five times you already know.
Speaker 3:Every time I'm here I tell you I don't want anybody more finding me.
Speaker 5:I have enough people finding me.
Speaker 3:But if you want to find me, you can find me at MikeMead a plan on Instagram and TikTok. I think I'm in other places. You can also go to schoolcom slash plan. You can find me there, s-k-o-o-l. What about everybody else? Just me, just you. See you, mike.
Speaker 4:I mean find me on at distilled science everywhere. I'm Jacob Foods.
Speaker 1:Assuming that your recording actually goes through this time Jacob.
Speaker 5:Hey, I haven't gotten any problems yet jacob is at jacob's foods there we go there's. There's no o in the name, though right, it's just there. So jacb. The username is jacb foods, but if you look up jacob foods, I think it'll still pop up you'll probably find it just making sure people can find you, because you've got awesome content.
Speaker 3:So thank you yeah, if you guys are not following jacob yet, go ahead and do it go, go, follow these three gentlemen while they stand around shirtless for you and everybody. Don't be your worst we're also all pantsless, right. Well, yeah, duh, just me, okay cool yeah, every podcast starts, that's how you just start the call it's.
Speaker 2:It's obviously banana hammock.
Speaker 3:Wednesday we learned that over code and if you subscribe to the patreon you can see this entire podcast, but filmed from the waist down whole different show.
