In Moderation
Providing health, nutrition and fitness advice in moderate amounts to help you live your best life.
Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
In Moderation
Faux Pie and Soulless Food: A Diet That Doesn't Suck with The Redhead RD
What if everything you believe about nutrition is actually making eating harder than it needs to be? In this refreshingly honest conversation with dietitian Jesse (The Redhead RD), we explore how overcomplicating food choices leads to anxiety, restriction, and broken relationships with eating.
Jesse breaks down why her counseling approach rarely involves complex nutrition science and instead focuses on helping people overcome their fear of food. She explains how many clients come to her not with questions about nutrients or "chemicals," but with deep psychological barriers around permission to eat. Through practical examples and personal stories, we unpack how diet culture has created impossible standards that leave people feeling perpetually inadequate.
The conversation takes a powerful turn when discussing children's relationships with food. Jesse challenges common parenting approaches like labeling certain items as "sometimes foods" or restricting treats, revealing how these well-intentioned strategies often backfire. "Kids are smart—adults make them dumb," she explains, advocating instead for balanced options without judgment or shame. Her approach focuses on teaching children to trust their bodies rather than external rules.
We also tackle the world of nutrition influencers, examining how social media rewards oversimplification and absolutism while punishing the nuanced "it depends" answers that actual experts provide. From mushroom supplements to seed oil panic, we dissect why simple, often fear-based messages spread faster than balanced nutrition advice.
Whether you're struggling with your own food choices or raising children in a world of conflicting nutrition information, this episode offers a refreshing permission slip to make eating simpler. Sometimes, as Jesse reminds us, "good enough" is genuinely good enough.
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Welcome back to In Moderation. Liam, specifically welcome back because you missed last episode.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've missed a lot of things. I've missed a lot of things. I'm just trying to get ready for this trip going on, and I am not ready at all, but it's all fine, you'll just have to buy all your stuff while you're there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm going to buy a lot. Just buy the suitcase while you're there. Don't even take a suitcase. Buy it while you're there.
Speaker 2:Listen, as long as the three of us go, it's fine. My dad's coming to. He lives in Albany. He's going to drive two hours. I'll just have him bring whatever we need. It's fine. What are parents? For besides doing everything you want of them.
Speaker 1:Well, now that you're back, we've got Jessie on here. Hi, she's a dietician. Yeah, I'll let you introduce yourself.
Speaker 2:I like she said yeah, Let me just confirm that. Yeah, I am Rob. I am. You're doubting me, Jesus? Oh, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:How could I ever doubt you?
Speaker 3:We're gingers, we can't doubt. Did you know we're black? Yeah, the black.
Speaker 2:Oh, can we talk about the black thing for?
Speaker 3:the next hour. I'm totally cool with that. That's hilarious.
Speaker 2:Go ahead, go go go, go.
Speaker 3:I just I'm having a hard time Like I'm going to. I'm going to get cancelled for this if I was black.
Speaker 1:I'd be like no.
Speaker 3:No, they're not Like we've been made fun of, but like shit.
Speaker 2:Oh, black it's. Listen, what I'm going to say is Like it's so funny this, like this interaction that's been going on, because, like the, the way gingers have handled it all the black people are like we're glad we made you black, you, you've been doing it right, and it's like just awesome. They're like here's let me introduce myself, and here's my spice cabinet, and they have like all the spices and everything. I'm like this is awesome. I love this interaction. I have something in the oven.
Speaker 1:Hold on, I'll be right back unfortunately uh, the way I've heard it, we've actually it did.
Speaker 3:Um, the trend's actually been canceled because of a redhead that dug right into all of the the bad stereotypes, because, of course, somebody had to go ruin it right obviously yeah, obviously yeah but it was a really cute interaction, I mean, and like Cleveland is a pretty amazing melting pot, so like I grew up in Cincinnati and if somebody said the street that they lived on, you knew you know the demographic, whereas here it's so mixed that you really it's not as segregated, and so it's been kind of cute the interactions that I've had with my not as segregated and and so it's been kind of cute the interactions that I've had with my neighbors with this and that about it. But no, I didn't know it got canceled already.
Speaker 1:That's unfortunate yeah, because somebody had to go be racist. Fuck figures. It's not ready yet everything's canceled.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I know it's crazy, right? Oh, that thing that got canceled. That sucks. I hate that so much. Such a bummer yeah, did you?
Speaker 1:did you actually get to introduce yourself or did we just immediately?
Speaker 2:segue ignore that. We went to the ginger thing. I want to talk more about that, but go ahead nobody cares about us anyway.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I'm a dietician in cleveland, um, I went back to school later in life and I was telling rob, before we all even signed on, I had forgotten so much chemistry because it's just like not part of how I deal with my clients. You know it's all mental and you know it's interesting, because none of that like was really even taught. So a lot of my counseling is just from living and getting older. Do you know what I mean? Like a lot of my stuff really isn't from school, um, but regardless, dietitian, see clients whatever I don't make, eat better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe they be happy, who knows?
Speaker 2:yeah, here's my main question what do gingers eat to eat healthy? What's the difference between like gingers and like the rest of us people with souls?
Speaker 1:Like, is there a?
Speaker 2:soulless diet.
Speaker 3:What, yeah, what is the soulless diet?
Speaker 2:That's what I want to know.
Speaker 3:It's the type that you cook anything and give a fuck what members think about it.
Speaker 2:I kind of like that I can hop on. I'm not surprised I'm on board with the soulless diet. I mean it seems that I like that.
Speaker 3:That sounds good yeah, it's the I. I don't give a fuck that. It's tough, tough titties for you dad it's eat it or you.
Speaker 1:Nobody got time for that diet.
Speaker 2:Nobody I made uh, I posted a video yesterday with like uh, uh, like smash broccoli, where you're like, oh, you got to put the little, you got to splooge your oil down and then you put your seasoning and then your cheese and then you smash your broccoli and then you put your seasoning and then you put your cheese and then you like put it in the oven. And I was like you know what? This is cool, but it's just too much work for me. I'm not going to make it on a regular basis.
Speaker 2:That sounds like too much work. Just's just cooking and I'm like a fucking beef. Wellington is just cooking, but I ain't making that shit like. This is a side. You know what my meals involve a can of beans and the microwave. That is my ideal for a meal, let alone a goddamn side dish that I have to have like 13 steps involved. Get out of here with it and it doesn't store? No, I have to eat them all at once.
Speaker 1:No, thank you liam's so lazy that he leaves the can the beans in the can, in the microwave I'm so lazy, I order sous vide stuff so I can just heat it up there you go, there's, there's thinking, they're thinking yeah, there was a video that I got tagged recently I was gonna do something with.
Speaker 2:He's like here's what I do when I'm feeling too lazy to cook and he just opens up to-go boxes that he got from somewhere and I'm like that's the fucking guy that gets it right there. That I love, because it's always just like here, here's what I do and I don't feel like cooking and the first thing they do is chop an onion and pull out lemongrass. Like what do you? Who are you talking to? What is this right so like I? Just I just order some Chinese food. Boom Done. That's too lazy, yeah.
Speaker 3:No, I always order like if it's a Friday and we're ordering, and I always order like something from that place for lunch for the next day because I know I'm not cooking on a. Saturday afternoon it's not going to happen.
Speaker 2:I like that. I like the idea of ordering extra, like order your dinner and then order your like, like lunch or something tomorrow. Think ahead, yeah, that's good.
Speaker 3:Gotta think ahead. What do you okay? What do you order?
Speaker 2:What are you ordering like that night and then the next day to make sure it's like still good, because a lot of shit like the next day it's awful.
Speaker 3:Oh see, I'm a leftover girl, right, so I know all the the tricks, right? So, like pizza leftover, you have to heat the the oven up and put the pan in first, right, you have to make it crispy on the bottom, so as we, so I. And then anything mixed in with eggs is always good. So leftover queen here, yeah interesting you got to repurpose it. You can't just reheat it up from scratch yeah, I'm gonna be like.
Speaker 2:I am to the point where, like I I'm like sitting there with my leftover pizza. I'm like I know I should throw this in the air fryer, beep boop, boop, microwave 30 seconds. Is it as good? Fuck, no, it's terrible, but it's still food and sustenance and it got me going. Oh, it's all. It's way worse. It's not good.
Speaker 3:I'm sitting isn't good, but I need to just keep going like I have stuff to do. Yeah, yeah, I would rather eat cold ass pizza than kill it in a microwave any day, oh that's a good question, because cold pizza is still pretty good.
Speaker 2:So a lot of times I do just eat it cold and I'm sitting there like which one's worse because neither of them are good.
Speaker 3:But I gotta do one of them because I'm not like the crust on the microwave pizza all gummy oh yeah, no, it's definitely.
Speaker 2:You don't remember the fucking lunchables where you make your own like little tiny lunchable and it was just like a piece of cardboard they put in there with like some ketchup and you're like, all right, awesome, oh, that's kind of what it feels like.
Speaker 3:That's kind of what it feels like you know, I grew up I was not allowed to have a lunchable. To this day I'm almost 45 never had a lunchable. I mean you're not missing out on my kids my kids, yeah, and I just have them, leave me alone yeah, oh yeah, oakley's a year and a half old she's walking around with funyuns yesterday.
Speaker 2:I'm just like you know, she's got her berries. She's got her like she loves avocado. She wants some funyuns here. Walk around, kid, just give me a, give me a moment. I gotta. I gotta like I'm at the grocery store trying to pick things out and I'm like here's your funyuns. She's like she's all like happiest kid in the world oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:But if you were to say that to somebody else, they would have a panic attack. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:because they would only think that's all you give her I know the fucking crunchy community just drives me so crazy. Fuck, it's just, it's too much, I don't even want to. I don't even want to like waste space on it, because it's just. I don't even really talk about it any too much anymore because it's just exhausting, like, oh my god, I can't, I don't even, I don't even want to talk I don't want to think about it let alone live live that life. No, thank you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I never was scared about chemicals. I was just scared of being, you know, gaining weight, you know like. I knew enough to know that like chemicals weren't going to be the problem, it was just calories and people are just. I had people like chemicals are not killing people, it's just. It's just, but it's exhausting. I just don't care to do that anymore because it's such an uphill battle because of belief systems and you can't argue belief systems. It's like arguing religion. You can't do it. What do you?
Speaker 2:do, then If you get someone like a client or something, that's just like I'm worried about all this stuff they're putting in our food.
Speaker 1:I think we just need to get everybody on board with the soulless diet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the soulless diet. Rfk tells me there's fluoride in the water. I think we could sell it.
Speaker 1:It'd be like did we? I think we lost Liam. She's stuck on your end.
Speaker 2:And like we got a reverse osmosis shit.
Speaker 1:What do you tell?
Speaker 2:them. I think we lost you for a hot minute, oh God damn. And then all of a sudden osmosis. First osmosis the water, because there's fluoride.
Speaker 3:So you blacked out for like a good portion, and all I heard was something about chloride.
Speaker 2:Okay, okay, listen listen. Can we hear?
Speaker 3:me now.
Speaker 2:Is it possible? Fluoride is in our water and RFK is our government guy who's telling us that it's calcifying our pineal gland and we need to get rid of it? What if client come, you say, hey, I worried what you do, there we go. How's that? I think Liam thinks the internet works better. If you shout louder, yeah, you yell at it. It's just like if you don't speak the same language as someone, you just yell your language louder. That's how they understand you. Or if someone's deaf, you just scream. This is how it works?
Speaker 3:I mean, are you really asking me that question? Because my clients aren't worried about fluoride, they're worried about gaining weight.
Speaker 2:So you don't get that too often.
Speaker 3:That's nice, that's actually surprisingly, I really don't get a lot of um, like I said, chemistry, like questions, because most of my influx is coming from people who are just scared to eat anything. So I'm dealing with, like that crowd, men and women, uh alike, but from a flora, you know, I just it's so dumb to me that I can't even answer the question.
Speaker 2:Do you know what I mean? Like it's just. No, I don't. No one knows what you mean more than these two fucking people who have been doing this for years.
Speaker 1:Trust us so what do you do? What do you do?
Speaker 2:when what people come with you with, like you know, concerns about weight, then like what do you, what are your general tips and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:I I mean, I don't do tips. Well, my favorite question is to ask people like what about fat people like freaks you out Do?
Speaker 1:you know what I mean.
Speaker 3:And then we get like a nice list of all the things that they have projected upon themselves, and that's where we start. You know, it's usually they think they're lazy and so it always comes up. It's like always stigma, okay. And then we just kind of break down that you know, small people are these things too um so it you know, and then we just kind of talk, but a lot of we literally just talked about how lazy liam was fuck, holy shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I could eat like total shit. Never do cardio and people like he's healthy because he looks fit. That's pretty much.
Speaker 3:That's pretty much how it always go I was 90 pounds, eating a thousand calories and people. I was so oh god right.
Speaker 2:Isn't that the craziest thing? They're like good job you're doing great.
Speaker 1:What do?
Speaker 3:I have to do to be like you and you're like, oh god let me lie real quick. I was in the hospital for tachycardia.
Speaker 1:Oh, I was in hospital on all occasions, but I looked fine God.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a thing, man. Yeah, I got to check on my shepherd's pie, hold on.
Speaker 3:Shepherd's pie. He's making a shepherd's pie.
Speaker 1:He's making a shepherd's pie.
Speaker 3:But didn't he say he was lazy? I feel like.
Speaker 1:Yeah, those two things don't go together, do they.
Speaker 3:I'm very confused Now I need to know if it was. The question is is?
Speaker 1:it shepherd's pie, or is it cottage pie?
Speaker 3:Well, I don't know what the difference is, but I want to know if it was made from scratch or he just popped it in like a Marie Callender thing.
Speaker 1:We have so many questions to interview Liam with when he comes back.
Speaker 3:I don't think I've ever had shepherd's pie either.
Speaker 1:I've tried it. I'm not a big fan of it. I'm not a big fan of like, mixing a lot of things together. No, keep them separate. All those things separate. I'm happy with so liam is it? Is it shepherd's pie or is it cottage pie?
Speaker 2:yeah, so that's what part of the whole video is. He calls it a shepherd's pie, but it's not a shepherd's pie, it's a cottage pie and I'm gonna say it pisses people off by because I use beyond meat, so it's gonna be a whole thing oh okay, I got it all figured out.
Speaker 1:So it's not even cottage pie, it's beyond pie yeah, I, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2:There's a name, I gotta come up with a name. It's a piss off pie, I don't know. I'm gonna come up with something, don't worry about it. But yeah, he calls it. But he also says tortillas in in the video and of course that's all the comments are talking about and my whole thing.
Speaker 2:My bit is going to be like where does that fall on the engagement bait? Because obviously it's not like Rick's, like Tziki he pronounced it like Tzik Tzay or something like crazy but like it's going to be worse than like pecan or pecan, you know, because that's just like a regional thing. So, where does like and I have a whole, like big list of them. You know what they say is it after Reese's, before Reese's? Like, where does it fall that whole thing? But yeah, you guys ever see a video on the, on the, on the, that like looks good when they make it and then you make it and it looks like a dog pooped on another turd. Yes, yeah, yeah, that's why it seems like it happens often. I'm just like, well, that's fucking not right. Oh well, but I think that's kind of what people like about my recipe reviews. They're like, hey, liam fucks things up all the time, because I'm going to do that too. That's exactly what's going to happen to me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, presentation is not my forte. It tastes good. Who gives a shit Right?
Speaker 2:Like who cares if it looks good? The People like making the recipe for the video to, like, you know, get other people to make it, because then they're more likely to make it. Those are like the only people that should care.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've actually like I'm actually a pretty good cook and I've done pretty good with presentation and when I go to do the recipe videos, I specifically go into them thinking, ok, don't do all the fancy cooking and all the presentation stuff, cook like a normal person.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, like be fucking normal, be you know. Be a normal person or be a soulless ginger, or be whatever you want to be. Just don't be that person who's like having to make everything look perfect, because that's hell. No, hell, no.
Speaker 3:No, so there was a chick who was probably one of the reasons I started posting in the first place. We're not going to go into it, but you know she's like on top of your busy day as a mom. Presentation is super important. Oh, fuck off.
Speaker 2:Straight up like fuck off immediately.
Speaker 3:So every time I post a picture of my food, I'm like still working on my presentation.
Speaker 2:Fuck off God. If I ever lived in that world, I wouldn't make. I would be addicted to every over-the-counter medicine, from fucking Flonase to NyQuil. It doesn't matter. That's the only way I could get through. Life is numb.
Speaker 3:Uh, yeah, well, now Rob you know why, All right let me check my piss-off pies.
Speaker 1:Hold on Piss-off pies.
Speaker 3:That's uh. I think you might need to workshop that a little bit. I don't like it.
Speaker 1:We need a carnivore thing in there, oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Like a carnivore Crumb, the carnivore Like a pile mine Carnivore. Carnivore cottage pie.
Speaker 1:We'll definitely need to workshop that by the end of the episode.
Speaker 3:Is this the quietest podcast you've had? Well, it's definitely the podcast that liam has ran away from the most I'm starting to get a little bit because it's not the first time I've run people, the soulless ginger and all oh man, he's just that, like we've been.
Speaker 1:We've just been both so busy with everything lately yeah he's juggling so many things. That's okay in the meantime. In the meantime, we can talk about how awesome it is to be soulless gingers yeah, so do you remember when south park came out?
Speaker 3:yes and like the redhead, the jewish redhead, right stan, right, yeah, yeah, that just one of the best moments of my life, because I was talking about daywalkers and gingers soulless daywalkers oh yeah, we good they're out and they don't look absolutely atrocious and I will take that as a fucking win. Let's go, it's we don't like the name of your pie yeah, we're gonna need to workshop.
Speaker 2:Piss off by it's gotta be something about pissing people off, because that's what beyond me does, holy shit, carnivore cottage crumble or something but like no, it's, it's a, it's a fake, it's a phone like it like fake cottage, carnivore cottage I think he's frozen well, you guys have to fucking go on without me, then, because I don't know what the hell's going on my internet's. Fine, damn it. I promise I don't know. Um no, because like it's, no, it's like a phone louder a faux pie.
Speaker 2:A faux pie like you know. You say like something's fake.
Speaker 3:I was telling rob, you're running off, I'm getting getting a complex.
Speaker 2:A complex Huh, what. What does that mean?
Speaker 1:Perfect timing to say that, as he freezes up again.
Speaker 2:Bro, my internet is fine.
Speaker 1:I got all the bars, every bar, okay, I don't know this is going to be an interesting episode. Half of it's going to be Liam shouting his internet is fine. And so does Ginger, and just like that he disappears. Okay well, I'm not sure if we're supposed to be waiting for him or if we're supposed to carry on without him. This is a first. Usually, it's my internet that's fucking up.
Speaker 3:That's amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I don't know if we're supposed to keep going or not. Apparently, I can't pause the recording. Well, now you're really going to have a complex. You're going to be the only person to have killed Liam's internet. Yep, I feel like he threw his phone out the window.
Speaker 3:Okay, well, definitely a complex, for sure, it's fine. It's okay, I get reported all the time. Now, people are leaving me. It's fine, I get reported. So much, rob, it's not even funny.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 3:I get reported at least three times a week, really yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and over anything in particular.
Speaker 3:Nope, it could be because I pissed somebody off, it could be because they think it's an eating issue, which is, you know, usually information giving, but I, like I'm shadow banned all the time.
Speaker 1:Jeez, yeah, it's so frustrating. I don't think anybody. Well, I feel like um getting reported is probably worse for women than men.
Speaker 3:Yeah, like it's just stupid. Do you want to? Just let's see where this goes.
Speaker 1:Okay, not, yeah, I noticed that um, a lot more of my female friends, female acquaintance, you know all the the females in the social media stuff. They always say they get reported and very rarely do I see the men to say they get reported. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do get people that like threaten to come and, uh, cut my beard off, but they never show up. That's so random. I'm like look bro, my address is public. I'm a business, I have to have my address and my phone number publicly available.
Speaker 3:You know, come on threaten your dog, do they? Do they say with what? Like scissors or like a machete?
Speaker 1:no, they don't say with what they're just like. I'm gonna cut your beard off like bro.
Speaker 3:Come on, give me a reason to hit you I would just ask what I really am curious now, like what would they use? What would be okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:Next time next time I get threatened by that. I will ask them could you? What are you going to cut my beard off with?
Speaker 3:What are you like? Salad cutters? You know, are we talking like nose trimmers, like what are we using?
Speaker 1:Nose trimmers yes.
Speaker 2:Welcome back, Liam. I feel like the fucking Verizon guy. Can you hear me now? Am I here? Well, you look clearer. At least, I feel like the most people that listen to our podcasts are older, so, like you know, they should get that reference. That should make sense to them. I think so.
Speaker 1:Yes, so, we were in the middle of saying that you need to workshop your piss-off pie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I was trying to say things and you couldn't hear me. Okay, I was coming up with other ideas, Okay.
Speaker 1:And now they're lost to the void?
Speaker 2:No, they're still in my brain dum-dum, hold on. So I think, like you know how people say like something's a faux, this like it's a fake. Or you say faux whatever, faux, you know, whatever it is, but like a faux pie, faux pie. Oh, faux pie, faux pie, faux pie. I think faux pie is pretty good, that's not bad.
Speaker 1:Can we somehow get the Beyond Beef reference in there?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't. I mean it's fake, so there's that, but I don't know how to work it.
Speaker 1:It makes people upset, because that's pretty much what A cottage faux pie oh cottage Cottage faux pie.
Speaker 2:No, I think, I just like, I I think, because like faux pas, faux pie, I think I think faux pie is pretty good.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying I think that's the best way I got so far oh, jesse's looking at us like is this what you two actually do on these things?
Speaker 2:I don't know what I do ever. Man like it's just this get by, holy shit full disclosure. I sweat pants on underneath this oh no, I don't have a shirt on.
Speaker 1:It's all fine, it's you know, and I have a sweater on.
Speaker 2:We're all in different states of dress whatever gets you by to the next day. Like that's the shit, that's just like all like you were talking about. Like oh, let me make sure I look good. Like oh, get the fuck out of here, man. Like this, this podcast is the exact antithesis of whatever that is, you know, or it's just like you know who was it?
Speaker 1:um, I don't remember one of our guests. We were talking about, uh, adhd and stuff like that, and she was saying, um, if it's too much for you to fold your laundry and put it away, nicely, don't fucking do it just don't do it shit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm far past that. I mean, my house is just a wreck. If I have to film it, my oh yeah, we can see your laundry there, there, there, oh yeah that's yeah if I have to film at my table, if there's just things stacked just outside of frame, there's like it's literally literally so high.
Speaker 3:My kids wrote something about. I love my mom. This was in school, but I wish she would do the laundry.
Speaker 2:That's good. That's why kids are great they don't hold back.
Speaker 3:The best I can do is separate and put them into baskets. You're digging after that. I can't deal with it, my mom never did my laundry.
Speaker 2:She always like you want clean clothes, fucking clean them. That was I. Never got my clothes cleaned for me.
Speaker 3:Oh, I, I did. I was, I was a functional idiot in college. I didn't know what I was doing. I'm not raising my kids that way. I'll tell you that much. But yeah, I can't. Good enough. Good enough when you have kids, it's good enough.
Speaker 2:I kind of want just that on a shirt. We should put that on a shirt. Just good enough. It's fucking good, because when I talk to people in person, when they talk to me, I'm like they're just like I'm glad you keep it like realistic and I don't have to like worry, I'm just like that's what we need. You know, people are just so fucking worried about this and that, like you're good enough, it's it's, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1:It's a pain in the ass that social media is all the best of the best, the worst of the worst.
Speaker 3:Nothing's real well, the best of the best makes the best looking content. Do you know what I mean? I mean it's it's cinema, it's it's beautifully done, it's curated.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And people who live in like day to day want to see that because they don't see it in their day to day. Right, it's, it's different, you know, it's a life that they don't ever get to be around.
Speaker 2:That's an interesting one because, like, people also like to see the realistic stuff. Like you've seen all the videos, people are like their life's a mess. They're like, hey, I'm just fucking getting by. Like people like, yeah, I get that, so like there is that. But people also like to see those. You know what those morning routines were before 7 am. They've already done, like they've already won a World Cup and fucking I don't know whatever else, bought four Lamborghinis Like. So I guess, like it is different, you want to see that. But they also, like people, appreciate the realistic shit too.
Speaker 1:It's. The problem is they start to normalize the best of the best. It's like, and especially with like body and stuff. It's like now you have to have a shredded six pack to be considered fit.
Speaker 3:I had some woman. She DM me You're naturally very pretty and I was like I am not natural baby doll, you know. And not enough people are saying you know, I've done work to myself, I have done this, like you know. I most influenced would have been like thank you so much, it's so nice of you and I.
Speaker 2:It was my program to figure out how you can do it too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so there's just such a, but there's still an element of even with the people who are making the real day to day reels there's. They're still making it look good in a way, like there's still you know.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't make anything look good and I've done pretty well, so I there's a, there's a market for it, you know. But there.
Speaker 3:But you have to understand there is an element of bro in this community when it comes to science and whatnot. Do you know what I mean? Like people are going to be more inclined to listen to you than a female.
Speaker 2:And that's just that's just like it is what it is and that's fine. What's he call it? The Hank green effect. He's seen, he's heard like about that.
Speaker 1:Oh, I know your job back yeah.
Speaker 2:So the Hank. So you know, have you watched Hank green? Yeah, so whenever, like there's a woman giving us talking about a subject, anything to do with science, just everyone tags Hank Green, even if she's, like you know, a specialist in her field. They're like, hey, this guy, though, who doesn't specialize in anything to do with this, let's have him back this up. You know it's like hey, you are. And I don't think all of them are doing it just because she's a woman, right, like they just trust Hank Green, right, them are doing it just because she's a woman, right, like they just trust hank green, right? They don't know this person, they know hank green, they trust him. So, like, I get that, but I think there is a little bit of this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's definitely more prevalent to find that on female videos, right yeah, like I like how hank green's just like hey, she's the specialist, listen to her.
Speaker 2:no, I love his response to like yeah, she knows what she's talking about because she's like, has four PhDs in it and I don't have any education in that field whatsoever. Right.
Speaker 3:Right. I mean I don't know. There's a really weird ivory tower effect to like. I worked in the government for a few years. I never, I don't ever want to do that again, especially now.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 3:Well, it really makes me sad because I know a lot of my, because I worked in the Division for Heart Disease and Stroke Prevention, CDC, and like I know a bunch of my peers.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and it was all. It's just so interesting because there's such a disconnect between like research and then how it's translated, and then how people interpret it. Yeah, like the you know.
Speaker 2:They interpret it. Yeah, like the, you know like interpret it through what the media often tells them. And the media is obliged to give whatever will give the most. You know views, so they just click Sure. So that's kind of the issue.
Speaker 3:Well, that, and again, I think we talked about belief systems. So if they're going to listen, they're going to choose whatever news that supports their inherent already just as fact. You know, and you said it's, it's just such a stupid uphill battle because you can't argue a stupid.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can, but you kind of just drive yourself crazy. So I've completely given up on any of that.
Speaker 3:It's just yeah, I just do it if I'm really bored and I like just feel like kind of poking, I'll do it, but it's that's only if I I'm like really bored I will if.
Speaker 1:If that stupid shows up in my comments, I'll usually poke them to get more, more responses yeah get more interaction and then it's just like, okay, yeah, thanks for the interaction, I'm done with you my favorite was some guy was like are you serious or are you troll?
Speaker 3:he goes are you kidding me or are you trolling me?
Speaker 2:and I'm like yeah, you get that either. You'll get that a lot yeah, yeah, I just like to make I like, I just like to make fun of it, like somebody left a comment on my video that said Liam, you're the wrong, you're the one that's completely misspelled, completely.
Speaker 2:There's like no ease, I don't know how, completely clueless, and so like I'll just like pop that up and be like listen, I got a lot of haters. Now Do they have a firm grasp of the English language? No, but they don't have a firm grasp of a lot of things. So it's really to be expected and just be involved. Like you know, just have fun with things Like what do you think?
Speaker 3:Right, I mean as long as it's the fun. I mean, when I first started this I was serious and I would get like my blood pressure kind of. Now it's yeah, it's more like cat and mouse, or are you just like?
Speaker 2:it's normal, you get, you get used to it. That's what I tell people starting off, like they're like what, what should? I know? I'm like you, just know everyone's gonna be well, not everyone, but a lot of people are just gonna hate you, no matter what you do, and you have to just kind of get used to that and it just takes time and be okay, just blocking, like get over your ego, you know, because like that's you got to get over it really fast. Yep, it's all fine.
Speaker 2:This is the quietest podcast you guys have ever had. I'm waiting to see if Rob is saying something. He seems like he's got something cooking, as he says.
Speaker 1:I mean you have to cook in Canada because everything's frozen. Yes, that's very true. No, I've been struggling so much with everything, so it's like the brain's just kind of slowly turning over still.
Speaker 2:I trust fucking man, I get it. I don't know how I I even like get through with the day-to-day stuff, but you know you manage and like it's again just fucking good enough man it's good enough.
Speaker 1:It's okay, though, because we got a cat on screen now this is mike the mower stinky kitty.
Speaker 2:You just came out with the most bad shit name out of nowhere wait this is what happens when you let twin boys name a cat. Oh yeah, the kids right.
Speaker 3:So it goes by Mike at the vet. It's a female, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 2:My daughter can't really say any names.
Speaker 1:We don't shame anybody here for their name.
Speaker 2:She picks, like we have Max and we have all these names that are easy to say. She keeps trying to say leonardo. That's like her first name, that she's picked, and she can't. She only say a few words, but she's trying to say leonardo. So she just runs around just like over and over, and we're just like why did you be proud? Of yourself too like she's she's super, she loves leonardo, or like I don't. I feel like you could have picked one of the easier dogs, but that's fine.
Speaker 3:That's fine. Yeah, I don't know. Kids are funny, they're funny. Yeah, I don't know, they're just. You know, twins, especially Mine, are so different. It's just like one would totally mispronounce something and you'd be like got it yeah the other one would not pronounce it until he got it you know.
Speaker 2:And then he would say it perfectly interesting, totally different, so crazy yeah, uh, I mean, we're we talk about food sometimes on this podcast, so like, what do you do for? What do you do for your kids? Well, being a dietician, you're like, oh, just eat whatever.
Speaker 3:Or like you actually try and give them like occasionally nutritious things, I guess I mean like yeah, there's days where I'm just like fuck off, Like figure it out, you know, like go make a sandwich. Yeah, like, especially if I've already cooked something that they're well-versed in. Like I won't cook something that I know, um, they don't like, cause that's just fucking rude.
Speaker 2:Um, so we'll usually just, I think a lot of parents will just do that, though they're like I'm going to be fucking rude and you're just going to eat it, or not?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I just, I just think that's so rude because, like, what if you didn't want it? You know, like, and so we'll try to balance it out as much as we can. But there's days where they don't want it. I am not fighting, I'm not fighting, I'm done fighting. So we try to balance it out as much as possible. But I'm not talking to them about calories per se. I'll say something has a lot of energy, you know, one of them is overweight. One of them is overweight One of them is not.
Speaker 2:I've seen a lot of parents talk about how like, say the terms like here are always foods, or sometimes foods and.
Speaker 3:I kind of like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I agree with that, do you? You don't like that, or you do like that.
Speaker 3:I hate it. You hate that Interesting.
Speaker 2:Okay. Why do you hate that?
Speaker 3:Because so you know, here's my thing If you that's kind of like a cheat meal, sort of saying like it's already like a planned binge in a way, so you're kind of teaching them like you have to do all of this stuff and then you can have your cheat ice cream on Friday because it's a sometimes thing.
Speaker 3:And so what I'd rather somebody teach their kid is how to eat balanced meals you know, honor their fullness sort of thing, and then when they're like in the mood for a sweet treat, then they honor that craving. But the hope is that you're balancing their foods enough that the cravings aren't all the time right.
Speaker 2:So what do you do then? If they want something like, you know, candy or whatever, and it's not really like a good time for that they've already had some, or you know it's time for they should eat some more nutritious foods Like how do you tell them that? Like, maybe this isn't the time for that, you know?
Speaker 3:that takes practice, because you'll eventually get to the point where the kids know, okay, like, but I really kind of do free range candy and if I could get up I would show you there's still a basket of candy from Easter. Okay, that has, it's in their eyesight. So I really I don't micro their stuff because they by and large know, like, okay, well, I'm gonna do, do this, but I know I have to have this as well, or they'll eat their food first. So it really just depends, um, but I I don't micromanage, because then that's where the hiding of the candy comes and and you know it, the emphasis is beyond the fucking candy.
Speaker 3:It should be on eating foods, and if you bring that candy in with the balanced plate of food, you're just showing it's just like another thing right, I like that.
Speaker 2:See, that's what I do. Often it's like, hey, you like she loves strawberries and avocados and all that shit, like she loves hummus, she'll just eat hummus. I'm like, sure, great, awesome, um, and so, like I'll give her other things too, like funyas or whatever it is. But sometimes, yeah, she's just all about, like you know, doritos and stuff. I'm like, okay, like you know, this is a little much. All right, you probably shouldn't be eating this many doritos now, let's try and get something else. So I'm trying to just like direct her, because she can't really talk at this age, but like, right, when she's older, and having that sort of discussion with her, you know, it's kind of I'm not exactly sure like what's the best way to do it.
Speaker 3:I've seen, I've heard, so I would yeah go ahead like for me, you, I would think back and go OK, like how long has it been since she's had something to eat?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:There are energy users at this age. They're running around like crazy. Is she going for the carbs? Because they're digesting quickly and she needs that energy.
Speaker 2:OK.
Speaker 3:And then you just say, hey, let's add some strawberries with this and let's sit down and make a plate. Ok, do you know?
Speaker 1:what I'm saying. I like that a plate. Do you know what I'm?
Speaker 3:saying and kind of, because you know you have chips in your hand, you're going to eat them, like that's human. So if we center it around like this is a nice balanced snack on a plate, here's how to kind of take a few handfuls of this and a little this and eyeball it, but always in abundance. I would rather them have more food on their plate so that they can learn how to be full right versus wanting, being ashamed to have to ask for more, because a lot of parents will say you've already had. And again, how rude is that? It's so rude, right, like telling a kid that they're full.
Speaker 2:No, I, I get that but like obviously you don't want them to be eating like all candy, all these things and like you know, those things taste delicious, right? So kids are gonna want them so this is again.
Speaker 3:You have it in eyesight, in in the pantry, but you're you're the driver of offering them the balanced meals right so that in between, if they want it, they've already had their bounce and you may notice that they may not even go for it because they've had a balanced plate and so they're not right. You know what I mean? Because that's where the and again, that's where people are like oh, my kids are always craving sweets, are always craving carbs, because they're bundles of energy.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:They don't really love protein at that age either, because it takes too long to chew and it's hard and it's you know whatnot with their teeth, so they're going to go for things that digest quickly, it's normal Oakley likes Quest chips.
Speaker 2:I've learned that you don't need Quest chips. You don't need quest chips you don't need these, I want the quest chips I know, I know like she's like she loves all these protein things like you don't need here, have some. You have some yelp, like come on, what do you?
Speaker 1:you don't need this right but really she has to pick the expensive things.
Speaker 3:I I do want to say, though at the end of the day you don't, you're still a parent. You know what I mean. We don't want our kids to binge, but there have been times where I have said, sure, knowing that they're going to fucking puke or have the worst diarrhea, and then they learn from it, and then they never did it again and I'm okay with that. I am a fuck around, find out type of person.
Speaker 2:Oh I like that for kids, like that happened, my that with me. We're like, yeah, no, go do that thing. How'd that go really shitty? Yeah, you could do it again. No, okay, like I kind of I do. I like that approach because you, you like, um, there's a song um, by like faces. It's like you know the song.
Speaker 2:I wish that I knew what I know now, when I was young, you know that song like it's a great song, but there's a line in that's like my favorite line of any song that goes poor young grandson, grandson, there's nothing I could say. You'll have to learn, just like me, and that's the hardest way. And so you want to teach them by telling them. But you're like nah, that shit ain't going to work. Like they got to do it and they got to figure out it's a bad idea on their own.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and that's fine. And then they'll eventually learn to not do it for the now. But how am I going to feel in an hour from now? How am I going to feel tomorrow? And then we start kind of curbing because a lot of you know, food can make you feel good and it can make you feel bad. So hopefully, once that person is on the right path of eating balanced and whatnot, that they start realizing that that is what's making them feel good.
Speaker 2:Right, and I think this is kind of the same with adults, right, they're like why, why did you start eating healthier? Like damn, I started feeling better, I had more energy, I didn't feel like shit and like you know all that sort of stuff. I think it's kind of the the same. You try and just usher that in for for the children because, like you know, they need, they kind of need that direction.
Speaker 3:Kids are smart adults make kids dumb. You, you know, like I think kids are super, duper smart, and then we wind up again putting in our belief systems, things that we learned about eating from our parents, which I guarantee is fucked up and um, you know. So if people need to start treating kids like they're little tiny people, they're not. You know, even your Oakley like she's not dumb, she just can't talk yet. But we instill, like our eating patterns of things like, you know, taking chips away or not necessarily bouncing out, and that's such a dichotomous way of thinking that we've all been raised with it. You can either have this or that, we'll have fucking both and make it on a plate, and but we it's very hard to think like that, cause we're always on the go.
Speaker 2:Also the also that. So that's why I grabbed her dum-dums. I like getting her dum-dums cause they're like 20 calories or whatever. And she was like. She never even finishes them. She's always like I'm or Sam's Club, like a pack of a thousand dum-dums.
Speaker 3:They are the best things ever. But I will say, if she has a car seat, one of my kids would stick food. He would like there's that little in between the hard part and the cushion Food and then we'd be driving and then he would just like reach in.
Speaker 2:Oh, grab one, he's saving it for later. Smart kid, see they are smart.
Speaker 3:That he's saving it for later.
Speaker 1:Smart kid. See they are smart, See, they are smart.
Speaker 3:That's my point. So it's like they are, and I know some people have a thing with intuitive eating. I try to do my best to teach somewhat from that approach, not a free-for-all approach, but balance your plate out and then see where you are with wanting a cookie. But that shit would be so funny because a lot of parents, you know like you either have to finish that or you know that I have it. But I love the fact that he didn't feel the need that he had to eat it all right away because he didn't know when he would get it again. Do you know what I'm saying? And that's the thing, and that's what again leads to hiding of the food is the kids learn real fast that like it's something that you, you shouldn't want, or do it in front of parents, so then they learn just to they hide it.
Speaker 2:Yeah I've heard that from a lot of people. They're like when I was younger I'd hide food because I wasn't allowed. Blah, blah, blah, like that sort of stuff. I'm like yeah that makes sense. I get it right, right yeah.
Speaker 3:So I offer cookies every day, school, along with a fruit and this and that, and they have it. There's days they don't. So again, it's not an always thing, but as long as they know they have it. I mean the second you say to somebody do not you know? Again, it's so textbook psychology of if it's around and it's not a big deal, they don't think about it. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, talk about reverse psychology. Somebody made like a video that's like stop going on runs, it's ruining your mental health and your physical health. Just get back in bed and scroll on your phone and I was like that's awesome. So I just like took that and I was like you know, yeah, beans are so awful for you and they, or they just ruin your health. Instead, you should just eat like Rice Krispie treats or something. I'll fucking try anything at this point. Let's try the reverse psychology on people and see if it works. It does.
Speaker 3:It does. I'm like oh, it does to a point you know but Obviously. Eventually like oh sure yeah.
Speaker 2:I'll just eat another Rice Krispie treat. Thanks, Lee, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3:My kids would be like thank you, but I don't know. But then again, look, we did baby lead weaning and my kids are very picky eaters. So you know we do our best. So it's like you've got to do the best with kids. Nothing's perfect and I'll tell you what people on Instagram showing how their kids are this, this and this Fuck off.
Speaker 2:Fuck off. They grow to grow. They're fucking children. They like they gotta grow. They're fucking children. They need a lot of calories. They need to create livers and bones and things like. That's gotta come from somewhere and just because it came from like some candy doesn't mean it's not gonna be. It's. It's still fucking carbs, glucose.
Speaker 3:It's still even broken down into energy and fucking you know like they're still gonna I was the asshole years ago, though and when I say years ago, at least probably 10 plus years ago was the it's.
Speaker 2:That's not food, that's yeah, it's not real food.
Speaker 3:That's not real food, like you know, and um.
Speaker 2:I look back and I'm like, yeah, a lot of us guys, a lot of people go through, especially I feel like dieticians, I feel like dietician. That's incredibly common. They had that kind of phase and then they went to school and like, oh shit, no, it's just like energy brah, like it's all. It's good. You just have to make sure you know it's in balance, that's all.
Speaker 3:Exactly, and that's where that rhetoric goes. Oh, oh you, you. You sell like you just want people to be found unhealthy. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2:You're promoting big food, big food, scotchy bite like come on, come on.
Speaker 3:I you know, and it's again. It's the same exhaustive rhetoric that we've heard over and over again, like we're not being paid. But we also know the psychology of how things work and I would much rather a client of mine have a cookie every day than sleeves of cookies on the weekend. And that's when that whole permission of you know, eat, eat what you want, so that it prevents that binging. Um, we're not saying that, that's go out of your way if you don't want it, but it's much better saying binge all the time no, we're trying to prevent the binge by saying have it every day.
Speaker 3:But they don't think that way because, again, they, they're so not in. It's that Dunning-Kruger effect? They, they know so little about it. It's hard to.
Speaker 2:Right, like not just nutrition but anything you know a little bit and you think you know everything like so fucking common.
Speaker 3:I thought I aced and I will I to. I remember, like I said, I'm 40, almost five. I was in eighth grade. I didn't study, it was a periodic table. I didn't study, I thought I knew it I thought I aced that fucking thing. I failed so hard, but I do so little that I thought that I knew the answers. That's how bad it is with these people fighting online. Oh, I've done my research.
Speaker 2:But that's the problem. Actual experts will always say it depends. What about this, if ands like they always add that stuff, which is true and you need that, but that's just. That's not going to work on social media.
Speaker 3:So I don't think experts will ever, not ever, but, like most of them, won't do well in terms of talking to the public no no, you know which kind of which kind of sucks I know, although I am like that, the podcast that andrea loved it with like people are making memes with her facial expressions. I don't know if you guys watched it, but it was just so fantastic. She couldn't hold, she couldn't stop her face. Her face was just. There was another woman on it who just didn't know what the hell she was talking about and going up against andrea on which podcast was this.
Speaker 2:It was with mike the checkup podcast oh, dr mike, okay, I saw a clip from that, talking about the pesticides and and yes, organic versus not organic ice cream. I know what you're talking about it was so good.
Speaker 3:I don't know why I'm talking about that. Facial expressions. People, oh yeah, people don't know what they don't know, to the point that they will go on a podcast with andrea love like stupid.
Speaker 2:But that's the but. At the end of the day, a lot of people are still not going to believe her and believe the other person because they already have, you know, the confirmation bias, right. So like, like, I think those things are important and we should do them, but like, how much are they actually convincing people? I don't know. Hopefully a lot, but I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's easier just to say chemicals, no, not the chemicals. I feel like I've got a slate rob, like I feel like our shirts of just like here's a banana or here's a fucking lemon or some shit like those, convince more people just because, like it just has a bunch of chemicals on it.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, we have the shirts that say here's a banana, calm the fuck down. Or here's a lemon, go suck on it, and it's just the chemical makeup of a banana or a lemon and I feel like that that does about as good of a job as you can do. Just convince me like, oh yeah, these are big words in a thing that's good for me. Okay, it's fine. Like I feel like that that does pretty well right, right.
Speaker 3:But you know, you take a little bit of truth, you spin it and then you sell the discount code, and then you make a living, a living, holy shit.
Speaker 2:Talk about like supplements and fucking shit. I just did a video talking about dr guntry. God damn, that guy's got like every supplement and they're like $70 a bottle. That shit's wild. It's got to cost them just a doll, like pennies a dollar. $2 to make, not much, yeah, oh my favorite.
Speaker 3:There's a car. I think he's a chiropractor.
Speaker 2:He always he don't usually is.
Speaker 3:Oh, he's a guy, I think his name's Eric something, but he he's talking about how he's going to wind up having all these muscle cramps going carnivore. But he's got this supplement that has fucking fruits and veggie powders in it.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 3:Smart, smart. He sells the electrolyte so that you don't have cramps.
Speaker 2:It's gotta be Berg.
Speaker 3:That's burg. It's burg, okay, yeah yeah, I've had that video saved. I just it's so dumb to me I I can't bring myself to make it just, but people fall for it because he's very convincing he has a very strong cult following that it doesn't matter what you do and like if you, I do a video on him.
Speaker 2:It usually doesn't get like that. People are just like aren't interested. The people who like have more than a couple brain cells are like oh yeah, it's fucking the, it's the chiropractor, whatever, move on, I don't care what he has to say. But then like his followers, like they're just going to believe him no matter what, so like who are you? Reaching with that it's.
Speaker 3:My favorite. There's another carnivore guy who was talking about how bad seed oils were Of course, always and in the background it was Pam. Oh, no way.
Speaker 2:Was it avocado Pam maybe.
Speaker 3:No, it was straight up.
Speaker 2:The red top canola oil Pam spray no listen, he just uses that to get to as a defense, as a bear mace against, um, I don't know, oh no, he's using it to lubricate his car. There you go. It's an engine lubricant, yeah.
Speaker 3:Right next to the stove. Right next to the stove yeah, great, like you just can't make that shit up. But yeah, it's, I don't know, it's just kind of exhausting. Um, yeah, I keep, I keep posting, I don't know why.
Speaker 2:Like, at the end of the day, I find as long as just kind of like fun and like you know, just like laugh about it. That's that's what I do, and I think when I again I talk to people in person they're like I'm glad you know you make it fun. I can just laugh at it and like because you know I'm not going to take the time to go. I did one video recently where I was like okay, let me go a little bit into like the research and whatnot, and it got I mean it's, compared to my other videos, like nothing even close in terms of views, because it never does anytime I have to go like sort of into things immediately, not going to get views, so I'm just like.
Speaker 2:I'm going to do that once in a while for the people that really want to know and I'm like, hey, can you do this? Okay, sure, but most of the time it's just like, uh, no.
Speaker 3:Or yes, like my funny ones, go way further than like if I go into it, but I go into it because I'm not necessarily here for the one you know what?
Speaker 1:I'm not necessarily here for the one you know, what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:It's a balance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's just a balance between.
Speaker 3:But like it is interesting to see some of the ones that go like my Courtney Swan ones have gone, like those always go really.
Speaker 2:Oh, I did two videos where I dressed up like her. I could put it like a little prop top and I put a wig on. They got millions of views, millions of views of use.
Speaker 3:Mine got a few thousand, but I'm a smaller account. I dressed up like her.
Speaker 2:It's all compared. Oh yeah, no, I did the whole thing. I got a little leather jacket one time.
Speaker 1:Did you guys go out and buy your $3,000 handbag that?
Speaker 2:you go shopping with. I don't have that sort of money. I don't have supplement seller money.
Speaker 3:I will say I have my bag, so I put all my nice bags on me and fuck off. Because again, it's so unnecessary, why does she have to strap on a bag?
Speaker 2:yeah any groceries like she's trying to show you she's better than everyone else that she's better than you fuck off.
Speaker 3:I can't. That's where I cannot stand. Stand Like you want to buy your nice. I like my nice shoes.
Speaker 1:I like my nice bags.
Speaker 3:I'm not fucking parading that shit out on the internet. I don't need the validation for that. She needs validation for some reason. That fucking bag, that bag of hers.
Speaker 2:Always.
Speaker 3:She needs that bag to make her feel good about herself, because she knows she's fucking everyone over. It's like her security blanket she does also doesn't know the difference between partially and fully hydrogenated oils, despite having a master's in nutrition, which is quite interesting I have a reel that I'm gonna share, because somebody's going off about how, like fully like hydrogenated oils are really bad for you and it's like there's a difference, big difference, here.
Speaker 2:This is where the dunning kruger comes in again. You don't understand.
Speaker 3:There's a difference, you don't understand and I I'm sure they changed it, but in 2015 I was the one that rehauled the trans fat cdc page and the sodium page, because that was all going down at that time. So I'm very versed, you know partially. So when I see that, I'm just like all I took was like you can go, you could chat GBT, that you can chat GBT fully and partially, and you will get the answer.
Speaker 2:And again, what I've been saying and people have been liking. You should use this to tell people to use the magic rectangle. People like the the magic rectangle. So go on your magic rectangle, that's your phone, they pull it out. You go here's your magic rectangle and you go, just go on this and go, boop, boop, boop and it goes. Do, do, do and now you know more. You genius now Like that's, just do something like people Generally seem to like Do you think that fine line between?
Speaker 1:Magic rectangle won't turn on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, there's a fine line between magic rectangle won't turn on. Yeah, there's a fine line between doing your own research and then like looking up stuff that's on chat gpt, do you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:but at the end of it like listen, is chat gpt always gonna be right? No, but like, compared to what they're spewing, it's a fucking genius. Like it's it's. It's way more accurate than the, than the people. Oh, I love it.
Speaker 3:I really I love it because it's a big get. I'm doing mostly basic, I'm not going into chemistry. I use it just to make sure that, like I'm, I'm on the right track, right where I'm going. But people don't again like self-management. They want someone to tell them what to do because it takes off one more thing off their plate. Do you know what I mean? Like people want to have a meal plan.
Speaker 2:They want to have just tell me what to eat, just tell me what to eat.
Speaker 3:That's all I want to do like I can't do that. I'm sorry yeah, and it's funny, because coaches love doing meal plans, they're not supposed to do meal plans. Dietitians are allowed to do meal plans. They don't do them usually because they know better that's the thing.
Speaker 2:That's why dietitians are allowed to do it because they will use it responsibly in the small percentages of times when it's necessary to do that, but it's not most of the time. But coaches are like fuck yeah, everybody, take one $3.99.
Speaker 3:You know who does really good meal plans? Chat GPT.
Speaker 2:I've tried. I've tried doing some things with Chat GPT. It works pretty well. I'm pretty surprised you can give it a budget too, you can be like give me one that's like $10 and doesn't include these things, and it'll be like boop, boop, boop. Oh, is it perfect.
Speaker 3:No, but like it's going to be pretty good, off, we went because you know I don't know. So, I do like it for for that sort of thing. But again, self-management it's not something people like to do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it's. I mean, that's like it's so much I got sent. I don't even know how this company, like they must send it through I don't know. Like it just showed up my door. It's fucking mushroom gummies. It's gummies that have, like I don't know, like lion's pain and bullshit in it and I'm just like.
Speaker 1:One of those nootropic type things.
Speaker 2:I don't even know what it is, I don't know man, but like I'm just looking at it, I'm like this is what people would rather have, right, like if I tell you eat more fiber, and like eat more vegetables and sleep more and blah, blah, like fuck that shit, can I have the gummy? The gummy sounds way easier, right, but like you know, it's just kind of sucks, yeah.
Speaker 3:Cause it's it's easier for them.
Speaker 2:Oh, and it tastes good too. Awesome, actually. No, my wife tried it. She said she didn't like it very much. I haven't eaten them cause, fuck that shit, I'm gonna not eat them out of spite.
Speaker 3:I don't like the taste of I like portobello mushrooms. I won't eat like that sort of no I like the portobello's.
Speaker 2:I'll fuck, I'll take white button and wait. I'm pretty sure like white button and like criminy are, they're like the same thing, but they like grow longer or something right and like are portobello's the same thing? Are they all the same thing? Is everything the same thing? Are they all the same thing?
Speaker 1:Is everything the same thing? I don't know. Is everything the same? I don't know. Is it like tea, where they're all the same species, but just done differently?
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, well, white button, according to Thank you AI, they're not the same Portobello and white button. Is it the same as criminy? I don't know. Listen, the same portobello and white, but is it the same as criminy? I don't know. It's, listen, okay. White button and criminy mushrooms are the same species of mushrooms. Uh, white button mushrooms are younger, milder and often paler varieties. That's why. That's why they cost more. That's why the criminy costs more. They got to grow it longer. Same thing with the bell peppers, because like green and like red are the same thing, but they got to grow them, or something, something like that. I'm not a fucking uh botanist here.
Speaker 2:I don't know you are an aiologist though that's what I'm good with the magic rectangle, okay, I just I say, hey, tell me why this and it goes, here you go and it's awesome. Man, can you imagine living in like the fucking 1920s? You're like I wonder why. We'll never know. We'll just never know that thing you just asked.
Speaker 3:No one will ever know that I had to help my kid with his math homework and he's in the third grade, so we're starting to get into like I don't even know. Yeah, I took a photo, uploaded it. It gave me the answer oh, for sure.
Speaker 2:It was amazing. It's great Fucking, I mean and like, yeah, is it going to make us kind of dumber, potentially, but it's real nice, it does it in a real Nice way.
Speaker 3:It might make people smarter because they're no longer Thinking for themselves.
Speaker 2:Oh man, well, we've been recording For like well over an hour. Now you got anything Else you wanted to bring up or tell people to stop Fucking worried about or to do or to not do, or whatever, anything no, because they won't listen to me. Usually not. That's what we've discovered, but we still talk into the void anyway. Into the void.
Speaker 3:No, I just you know. Just again, I'm coming from a space of people just being afraid to eat. Do you know what I'm saying? And so it's easier to say you know, bounce your plate, make sure you're happy. But for my people that's way easier said than done.
Speaker 2:Do you know what I mean? Yeah, I like that. There's a couple that works that does you know? They've had issues with disordering and they always say please eat today, and I think that just like helps a lot of people. At the end of the video I always just say please eat today. Yeah, so I like that. But then people are like you're promoting obesity because you're telling people to eat like, oh, they need food. No shit, numbnuts, thanks.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, it's really interesting. I mean and you'll start hearing this liam because, like you'll be going to your uh kids games and stuff the amount of comments that parents say about their kids in front of their kids is alarming. Oh yeah, yeah and then you have to learn to just not want to lunge at them it's always tough.
Speaker 2:I I was at the park the other day with oakley and there was a mom there's like I was at this party and they gave us this cupcake and I really didn't want my kid to eat it because it's got all that bad stuff in it and but I felt bad and I didn't want to just push it away. So I gave them just like a little bit of the cupcake. But you know, it's just got all that stuff that's like banned and other and I'm like I gotta, I'm, I'm fight every cell in my body, isn't it going? Hey, hey, can I talk to you for a second about that? So I just left. I was like I'm not, I'm not, I'm not gonna go there like I want to, but I just let it go.
Speaker 3:Yeah, let it go I mean, it makes fodder for content. You know, yes, um, I had. I had the entire conversation I heard from between this mom and her mom about what she did with her kids breakfast my head was exploding, but you have to keep your mouth shut because it's not your client.
Speaker 2:That's. That's. You know what do you? You can't just go over there like you're dumb. Let me tell you how to be smarter.
Speaker 3:That's probably not gonna go so well no, it hasn't, because I've done it before. I know from experience, because I'm a soulless ginger.
Speaker 2:I don't care, that's what you should open with hey, I'm a soulless ginger and I need to tell you some things. I feel like that would open them up a little bit more. You kind of be like a little self-deprecating at the beginning, your hook yeah, like, and they're like. Oh, this is interesting. I wasn't expecting them to open with that.
Speaker 3:Let me see what else they have to say, you know you know the trend where it's like I may not be invited back, but at least they know like that's my life.
Speaker 2:But I like, yeah, I like that.
Speaker 3:It's good. Well, I'm glad we about nothing and everything.
Speaker 2:That's what every week is. Where can people find more soulless ginger content?
Speaker 1:More soulless ginger on the magic box or magic rectangle. Magic rectangle Sorry the magic box is the computer.
Speaker 2:I was thinking the TV, but I guess TVs aren't really boxes anymore. But neither, I don't know. I don't know. Well, don't actually give people though, because I don't think you actually did. I don't know. Well, don't actually give people though, because I don't think you actually did. I don't think you did either.
Speaker 3:The redhead RD.
Speaker 1:Well, that just makes it even more obvious that you should do. I'm a soulless ginger. At the start.
Speaker 2:I think, if you start, the video with I'm a soulless ginger and let me teach you blank. That would probably do better. I think that would be a pretty good hook.
Speaker 3:I think I'm going to try this now try that?
Speaker 2:I think I don't. I'm a soulless ginger and I'm black and I'm a soulless black ginger. No, you gotta start with I'm a soulless ginger and then a few days later, you gotta be like and now I'm. According to recent events, I'm a soulless black ginger and let me teach you black. And you know, I think that would do very well.
Speaker 3:I feel like I would be so so canceled so fast. I really don't think you would.
Speaker 2:I don't think you would. I think people would find it very funny. It's a trend now Gingers are black. It's funny, everyone's laughing. I don't think anyone would be upset by it Well, are upset by everything but in general people wouldn't be upset and I think it would do pretty well, just saying, just saying.
Speaker 3:Okay, well, I'll prime it first with the soulless part.
Speaker 2:Soulless ginger and blah, blah, blah, blah blah. I think that would do pretty well. I say, start with that.
