In Moderation
Providing health, nutrition and fitness advice in moderate amounts to help you live your best life.
Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
In Moderation
When Your Coach Is Actually A Robot With A Six Pack
Ever wonder if your fitness coach is actually a sophisticated AI program pretending to be human? In this eye-opening conversation, we pull back the curtain on the growing problem of influencers using artificial intelligence to sell "personalized" fitness plans to hundreds or even thousands of clients simultaneously.
Mike from "Mike Needs a Plan" joins us to share disturbing industry insights, including how a prominent fitness celebrity (described as "the Paul McCartney of our industry") was caught sending generic, recycled workout plans to clients who had specifically requested customized programs. We discuss the ethics of AI coaching, the reasonable client load for dedicated coaches, and how to spot red flags that suggest you might be paying premium prices for automated guidance.
The conversation takes fascinating detours into the absurdity of current health priorities - politicians removing red food dye while loosening regulations on forever chemicals in our water supply. We explore how disability systems create impossible "brick walls" where people lose benefits faster than they can earn income, and share practical advice about what food banks actually need (hint: it's not just canned goods).
For anyone trying to get back into fitness after a break, Mike offers refreshing perspectives on taking a more measured approach rather than diving into six-day-a-week routines. His moderate method has yielded better results without making the gym his entire personality.
Whether you're navigating the confusing world of fitness advice, concerned about environmental policies, or simply trying to build healthier habits, this episode delivers straight talk with just enough humor to make the hard truths digestible. Join us for a conversation that might just save you from being scammed by a robot masquerading as your next fitness guru.
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Rob, what unfortunate set of circumstances led you to having me on here on In Moderation, the show where we give a moderate dose of info sarcasm and we already know we're not Bobby approved.
Speaker 2:Unfortunate set of circumstances. Well, to start with, I was born and then I discovered the internet. That was unfortunate.
Speaker 1:Let's just do a therapy session for Rob. Let's get really into it, oh God. For those watching on YouTube you may notice that I don't have a camera right now because everything just breaks on me. He didn't check the handsome settings on his webcam and he didn't adjust it well enough and it broke because he's just too darn cute, I forgot to use the ugly filter.
Speaker 2:That's what it was, yeah.
Speaker 3:Rob in the Canada land. Is everything also made in China there? Or is that just in America, where you get everything that's made in China?
Speaker 2:So, unfortunately, what happens is we import from the US, so everything's made in China shipped to the US and then we import it from the US. So we just get your crummy stuff. Is that how it works, unless we import it from Europe?
Speaker 3:I didn't know that's how it works, which I mean the way things are going.
Speaker 2:I think we're going to be importing a little bit more from Europe now.
Speaker 1:Do people in China have a lot of made-in-China things, or are they importing it from elsewhere?
Speaker 3:I was curious about that too.
Speaker 2:I'm assuming they do right, I would assume so yeah, unless they're like well, the stuff we make is crap, let's just sell it to the US, make a lot of money and then buy the good stuff.
Speaker 3:They're actually master craftsmen and, just like all the fucking duds, they're like, ah, give that to the US, they don't know.
Speaker 1:They make iPhones with batteries that last for six days.
Speaker 3:Meanwhile, we can't get through fucking half the day without being like are you? Gonna charge her.
Speaker 1:No, not that one, the other one yeah, give us the one that charges the phone in 12 seconds.
Speaker 2:That's what I can tell exactly what got imported from the us, because the us uses phillips head screws for whatever freaking dumb reason they're. Still, you guys are still using phillips don't get Rob on his Blurkerbergs or whatever the hell they're called.
Speaker 1:What are they called? Again, it's a square.
Speaker 2:The ones from China they strip so badly and they break and everything, and it's a we use Robertson Robertson. That's what it is.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's some random last name or whatever, sure.
Speaker 1:Rob's just gunning for a sponsorship here. Robertson Screws.
Speaker 2:Any Robertson Screw companies out there, hit me up Email's open.
Speaker 3:Everyone else is like hey, let me tell you about Squarespace. And we're like do you have any screws that need screwed?
Speaker 1:How about a square hole? Let's talk about that. The Robertson Screw use code in moderation from 15% off. Perfect, Get you a nice.
Speaker 2:That'll be our first major sponsor. For those of you who are joining us for the first and last episode.
Speaker 1:The Robertson screw is just a square peg in what is a normal screw and it's meant to give you more grip. And strip less and strip less.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, that's my rent, you guys can go on, I'm no carpenterist.
Speaker 1:Is that the term for it? I feel like that's not the term for it.
Speaker 3:I don't know Listen.
Speaker 2:I like that.
Speaker 3:And immediately I go to my wife yeah, carpenterist, exactly, I legitimately will try some do something with my hands and I will go to april and be like thank god social media took off for me, because I'm so shit at any of this stuff and I'm pissed and I'm hot and sweaty from like just the smallest thing that you'd like anyone else would be able to do quickly, like no, no, I, I don't. I don't work with my hands. Any muscles I have are show muscles. I don't. That's not, it's not for actual work.
Speaker 2:I think you and mike are two peas in a pod on that.
Speaker 1:Hey, mike well, you've got the show muscles, I've got the grow muscles right. It's still, if I get them pumped up they'll show, but it's I. I need somebody to clip liam saying I do things with my hands and then immediately go to my wife.
Speaker 3:Oh, that's I mean normally the order is not okay.
Speaker 1:Let's. For those of you who are unfamiliar with me, god bless you. I am Mike from Mike needs a plan on Instagram and TikTok. I lost 110 pounds and I help people to do the same thing, and I help them to do so through habit adjustments, and I'm not the, you know, grind set kind of David Goggins approach. I like doing things a little bit more calmly and I would like to pick your guys brains. We've talked a little bit about this before, but the, the, the rampant prominence right now of influencer coaches using either purely AI or using assistants to pretend to be them to coach people. I don't like it.
Speaker 3:Don't spoil your feelings right at the beginning, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I should have buried the lead, so I love AI.
Speaker 3:I love that it's just being thrown. They're able to throw out as many plans as possible to as many unsuspecting victims as they can. I think they should do that more. And, yeah, fuck them.
Speaker 2:The funny thing to me is that all AI really did was replace bodybuildingcom. Is that all AI really did was replace bodybuildingcom? Because a lot of those coaches that have 1,000 clients which, by the way, if a coach has 1,000 clients that's a red flag they would just take programs from bodybuildingcom.
Speaker 1:I'm not going to name names here, but somebody who is very prominent, extremely prominent, like the Paul McCartney of our industry, which doesn't narrow it down to anybody specific. I was told by somebody who got their coaching last year because I posted something today about the prevalence of AI being used and giving people and I'm not against AI, mind you, I think it can be used well it's just a matter of where's the transparency. When you sign up with a coach that you saw online, you want to work with that person, but I digress Somebody had said that they were working with a very well-known coach and they were talking about like hey, I've actually got very strong legs, I need some upper body work done, and this coach, who was pretending to be the coach that they were talking to, just seemed to ignore it, just kind of went right past us. Oh, cool gotcha, okay, I'm going to send you your split now. And then sent them something very quickly and it was like very leg focused, and so he sends it back and he goes.
Speaker 1:I don't, this isn't what I needed. I'm not really about this. I kind of need like an all over body thing. And then from what the claim was, uh, was that this person received one of Jeff and this is not Jeff Nippard's, that Nippard that he was talking to he was talking to somebody else, but he had received a copy of one of Jeff Nippard's uh things. So he paid another coach to receive basically just a rebranded Jeff Nippard split.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Somebody who's very well known and shouldn't be. No one should be doing this, but this person especially shouldn't be doing this. So, like the quality of coaching you've got to be careful with who you choose. Well, seriously, fuck that. We should trademark that before somebody takes it.
Speaker 3:Or a prominent influencer starts saying that a bunch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm feeling mustaches. How about all of us do some mustaches?
Speaker 3:Maybe we get our names changed.
Speaker 1:Isn't it crazy that his last name is finally legally fitness. It's fitness Scott. That's dedication Shout out to Scotty. He took a really big leap in his independence and growth and changed his name legally.
Speaker 3:Really huge I also changed my last name legally because I got a hyphenated name from my parents and fuck that shit. It's like the worst thing you can do to your kids. I was like I got to drop this like a ton of bricks as soon as I can. That's fair. Don't do that. What was?
Speaker 2:uh ai, yeah, no I mean like that's the thing with, with fucking ai, like it's gonna be.
Speaker 3:It's that is not just gonna be in the fitness space, it's gonna be like in everything, man, just like yeah, for better or for worse, and I think we just have to be get better at recognizing it.
Speaker 2:That's really all you can do regulating it yeah, as much as you can.
Speaker 3:I mean, how much are you going to be able to? It's going to be difficult.
Speaker 2:I think it's going to be this as long as you are transparent about it, right, like if we make people be like, yeah, we'll give you programs, they're going to be ai generated.
Speaker 1:They can't hide it I think there are apps that do that already. Now you don't have to pay like a coach for you, just pay for the app. That's $20 a month.
Speaker 3:I think, like, when it comes to like schools and stuff right, that's what it first started really getting used for, right, it's like kids like cheating on tests or whatever, there's going to be a lot of like this kind of like criminal detective thing where they're both trying to like keep up with each other, right, we're so like the schools are going to try and detect if it's ai and then they ask you know, their kids are gonna try and get around that and I feel like that's gonna what it's gonna kind of be all over, right, it's like, oh, is this ai? Let's, let's, let's, let's ask ai. If this is ai, oh, it is ai, is AI? Like, because I feel like it's going to be a lot of that. It's going to be kind of silly.
Speaker 3:I think there's going to be a lot of laws that have to be created around it, because we still don't like fully understand, like, when it comes to even like an image, there's a lot of like argument right now, like who owns the image when like an AI? Because, like the company that makes the AI, you think maybe they don't it, but they say no, like we don't want that. Whoever asks for it, they own it. But there's been cases where, like, people created something through ai for artwork that they put on a book or maybe in like a video game or something like that, and then they got sued because they didn't come up with it. The ai did, but then who owns it?
Speaker 2:and so it's we're owns it, and so it's we're. We're still in the early stages. The big problem there is that we think of ai as being well ai, but it's not actually ai, and everything that this ai um language learning model is doing is just taking bits of the internet and things that it's been fed and just mashing them together. It's not actually intelligent, it's not actually thinking for itself.
Speaker 3:I don't know enough on AI to really speak to it. The way that it comes up with things is different than you would expect, but I really don't know enough to say, like on the whole, like oh, how it's created, who owns it? That sort of thing. I think it's just going to be very interesting going forward, how the laws are created around it for that sort of thing, because you have to make something and try and it's not going to be great at first. I'll tell you that Never is.
Speaker 1:Like I said before, I'm not against ai. And to those of you who are about to say it's destroying the environment, stop voting for people who are like putting pipelines directly into the water, that just like pump poison. And like, why, no, it's not just runoff. It's like, no, we are producing poison to put into the water, specifically to poison the water. Like, stop doing that. First, it's the whole myth about individual responsibility being more powerful than actually legislating corporations that create 90 of the world's pollution. But, sue me, I don't care.
Speaker 1:Ai is here and there's nothing we can do about it. Um, so it's. It really is just a matter of I forget who said it, but it's. It's gonna like consent. Do you want to consent to paying someone to use an AI system? How do you tell if you get it? Because not everyone's going to. You're not going to say it up front. A coach isn't going to say, hey, I'm using AI to coach you. They're going to say I'm coaching you, I'm the person who's doing it. So, like Rob said, if somebody's got 500 clients, it doesn't matter if, even if they're doing it manually, that's probably not somebody. You stretch too thin, you don't want to work with them.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't even know how people have, well, ok with, like the, the whole, the whole disabled spoon theory thing. I personally can do 10 to 15 clients before I burn out, and I'm sure there's people that could probably handle upwards of 50, because they're, you know, head down, they get the work done. But once you get past that, it's like okay, you're having to take shortcuts and that's when you hire, that's where AI is going to really thrive, though, right, it's like in a good way, like I think it will make.
Speaker 3:It will reduce the things that humans have to do and streamline things. I think that's really one of the things AI will be really good for is just getting rid of a lot of the extra stuff that we don't need and just making it More simple for humans, because that's what technology does, right. It's all technology does. It's just make it does work so we can do less work, and I think it can be really good at that. But it's also going to do a lot of shit. That's going to piss people off, and it's going to be very interesting to see how it turns out.
Speaker 1:My take on this is something that we've already implemented in some places generated content on Instagram or a tick tock, you are required, under threat of them deleting it if they catch it, to label it as AI generated content. So every once in a while, you'll see a reel or a post or something and it'll say beneath AI generated content. If we are going to enact some kind of law to regulate this or to enact some kind of level of transparency, I think there should be a little tag. This is this is AI generate. Send it out, but make sure that everybody knows there's a little fine print this is an AI generated response.
Speaker 3:So you don't fool so many people with rabbits on a trampoline have you seen that Rabbits on a trampoline? Have you seen that the rabbits? Jumping on a trampoline.
Speaker 1:It's getting real. It's getting real, it's getting real, it's getting really, it's getting good, we're about to be the grandparents. On facebook, you ever see those posts where it's like something absolutely ridiculous and all the comments are don't let this, make it to facebook yeah right, it's a jesus fish or whatever like this.
Speaker 3:No, it's real, I saw it it's real that fish is walking.
Speaker 1:Praise god. Yeah, like it's. It's not, but yeah, so I don't know. I thought I was going to be impervious to it. It turns out you put rabbits on a trampoline and I'm oh, that's so cool wait, one just disappeared I'm sure that's a fluke, it's fine, wait. It's like the hands are messed up. It's got too many fingers. Wait a minute.
Speaker 3:A rabbit's not supposed to say like at the rate it's going, it's going to pretty much be able to fool anyone soon, sooner rather than later. And, like you talk about politics and, like you know, using it in nefarious ways, yeah, like.
Speaker 2:I think it has a lot of potential, but it's going to fuck some shit up. Like getting AI to make a bunch of studies for you. For what? What was it? Rf? I think rfk did it rfk.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was funny. They just had fake studies and then when they came to him with it it was just such a like oh well, the other ones are accurate. So that was just like a fluke. Like what the fuck you talk? You just had ai fucking generate fake studies. They even use like real authors names and they check those authors. They're like no, that's not real. We that I've never done a study called this. What are you talking about? So good, when you leave your water out overnight and it tastes bad in the morning, it's because the water's haunted.
Speaker 1:It's gosh Good news though we're going to have less red 40 in our Shake Shack burgers.
Speaker 3:And all I saw there is like one of the congressmen made a post. Thanks to Blue Bell for making ice cream healthy again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, very specific wording there.
Speaker 3:I was like it's sugar and cream, Just because you were.
Speaker 2:I missed out on this news. What happened to the ice cream there?
Speaker 3:was a few hours. I missed out on this news. What happened to the ice cream? There was a congressman. He posted a photo of him at Blue Bell Ice Cream, which is an ice cream manufacturer, and he said thanks to Blue Bell for making ice cream healthy again and for removing the certain dyes or artificial ingredients or whatever. Like small things. It's sugar and cream you fucker. Like it's sugar and cream, you fucker like it's not.
Speaker 2:No, I love all the people that are saying that um, cola is going to be healthier again now because it's using cane sugar.
Speaker 3:Problem people are like, well, I was drinking sugar and I hear diet's terrible, so I'm going to go back because now that it's in a glass bottle, it's made of cane sugar. It's going to be better for me, like what the fuck?
Speaker 2:and it's well it, and not even the diet people, the people who are drinking regular um sodas. They're going to be like oh well, it's better for me now I can have more it's, it's not even like.
Speaker 1:It doesn't taste that different. You put them side by side. Yes, I know the allure of having a mexican coke or whatever is like, but it's. You put them next to each other, they're gonna be the same. You won't be able to tell the difference. It's the chemical structure of high fructose corn syrup compared to regular table sugar. It's like there's like one connection. That's not there. I bring scientific snitch on here.
Speaker 3:She'll talk about it but it doesn't matter for your health, right? That's the points.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter for your health yeah it, it's sugar, sugar is sugar, and if you have it in moderation, what's?
Speaker 3:so fucking wild, though, is that they do this while, like, loosening restrictions on forever chemicals, Like what the fuck you were the ones fear mongering that shit, which understand honestly, understandably so, because they're not great for us. Oh, but no, we'll dump more of that into the rivers.
Speaker 2:We'll get rid of your fucking yellow five, like what. Where I forgot about the legislation saying about the? Uh, we start need to stop voting these people in I.
Speaker 1:I literally forgot there was actual legislation to just pump poison into the water. That was like a joke that I made up, like how ridiculous would that be of a concept? No, it's. That's real. That's what's really truly happening for like a state they didn't like, or just everywhere, everywhere it's loosening the uh, just because it was a a biden era thing, they're like, well, it must not be good, because biden it Okay. Yeah, biden did a lot of bad shit. That's not one of them, and it's not even a left-right thing here going on.
Speaker 2:It's like I don't know. I'm not going to speak for these guys, but personally I don't identify as a political party.
Speaker 1:I don't either. I identify as a voter. Pfas. Chemicals affect everybody.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter how you feel about anything, and as voters.
Speaker 2:we should be caring about this. We all breathe, we all eat Like.
Speaker 1:We all need water, so we should all have a mutual interest, no matter what, of like having clean water. Why is that controversial now?
Speaker 3:Fucking goody two-shoes over here wants people to have clean water. Why is that controversial now? Fucking goody two-shoes over here wants people to have clean water.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this motherfucker wants some fucking.
Speaker 3:I grew up on sewer water and I was fine.
Speaker 1:Back in my day we used to drink the dog's piss. We'd bring him out in the back.
Speaker 3:These kids have it too easy. We called it passing the bark.
Speaker 2:Meanwhile, we still have all the social media. That's fear-mongering. Microwave popcorn because it supposedly contains PFAS.
Speaker 3:That's our problem. Americans are eating too much microwave popcorn Like God damn.
Speaker 1:Let's talk about this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh yeah. And, to be clear, the study that showed that there was PFAS in the microwave popcorn lining, that actually was done just before PFAS got banned, and so that's not even it's a non-issue. Now I don't want to say that the study is obsolete, because obviously it's always good to have the science, but it no longer applies to the product that is on the shelf so it's bad to have in the popcorn, fine to have in the water.
Speaker 3:Got it apparently well, if we get rid of it here, we can get more of it there.
Speaker 1:It's all checks and balances when I, when I die, or are they gonna have to recycle me? Is it gonna get to that point where I'll have enough microplastics in me that they can turn me into a bottle? We'll have to ask chat, gpt chat gpt, can I be turned into a bottle? You? This is your daily dose of existential dread from moderation boys and their whipping boy me I'm sure there's some good things. Let's ask chat gpt chat gpt give me good news about something. Anything please, eventually.
Speaker 3:that's all it's just going to be, it's just like oh, just fucking ask.
Speaker 1:Ask AI Chat. Gpt is like good news. If you act fast, you can still see a panda at the zoo.
Speaker 3:The last one.
Speaker 1:The last one you got to get there. It's in Memphis, but like start moving.
Speaker 3:It's got all the forever chemicals right into its cage. So we directed all the forever chemicals right into its cage. So no more humans got it.
Speaker 1:It just goes to bury the panda. It's his birthday, he's the last of his species and we're giving him a piece fast chemicals cake. It's okay, though there's no red 40 in it.
Speaker 2:Uh, naturally died humans are great if we, if we put enough microplastics in there, maybe we can plasticize them and have a permanent statue of them.
Speaker 1:Preserve them. At what point are we enough microplastics to not rot?
Speaker 3:There's only one way to find out. Guys, we got to start chugging.
Speaker 1:Where are you at? Adam and Jamie are going to load themselves up with microplastics and kill themselves.
Speaker 3:Which one will decompose slower. Well, we're on the Red 40 train. Let's see what happens over here.
Speaker 1:Jamie Heinemann's like I'm only using recycled plastic. Adam's using the crazy stuff. He's just eating Sprite bottles.
Speaker 3:That was one of my favorite shows. It was such a good fucking show.
Speaker 1:Wasn't it fantastic? Very realistic too. That was one of my favorite shows. It was such a good fucking show, wasn't fantastic? Very realistic too. They uh, the two of them hated each other, which is um realistic.
Speaker 3:I've listened to a lot of that I think it's not so like they. I don't like they weren't friends. I don't know if they, like, full on, hated each other. I think they had respect for one another, but they're like, I don't like how you do what you do.
Speaker 1:So I don't like you as a person, but, wow, you're good at what you do.
Speaker 3:I think it was. It was weird respect, but you know, dislike a respectful dislike.
Speaker 1:Let's all go around the room and name people that we don't like, but we respect what they do. I don't know if I have a Jamie out of like respect.
Speaker 3:Yeah, as long as I got the respect R E S me out of like respect. Yeah, as long as I got the respect r-e-s-p-e-c-t.
Speaker 1:I know how to spell respect. What, what issues are you guys seeing in the world lately? What message do you want out there to everybody that you feel like is pertinent right now because mine currently is is finding the right coach and trying to discern ai from actually working with somebody that you r-e-s-p-e-c-t you find out what it means to me.
Speaker 3:I I am on the people shouldn't starve train.
Speaker 3:That's pretty much where I'm at and it seems to be somewhat controversial, which is very good, I find quite interesting, um, but like it's, there's just many like different ways. People get upset like I'm like hey, these people shouldn't starve, and other people are like, well, they deserve to starve, they're lazy. Or like these people don't deserve to starve. They're like what about the other people who are starving more? I'm like, okay, well, also that's bad too. But like I'm, I'm trying to just help out where I can.
Speaker 2:It's funny when people say what about the other people that are starving more? Because it's like we can address both at the same time. Yeah, you can do two things.
Speaker 3:I love it. To me it would be like if I was raising money for people with like diabetes and someone came along like oh so you want all people with cancer to die. I see you only care about people with diabetes. You want all people with cancer just fuck off. Like what, are you insane? That's kind of how I. That's what I hear when like something like that comes up right.
Speaker 2:I also hate it as as a person that's on disability and stuff and like there's people that are trying their best but the way society is, it makes it hard for them. Yeah, and the way that disability programs are created actually makes it hard for them too. People think it's easy just being on disability you know, free ride or whatever and like the money you get from disability never cost covers the cost of living. You always have to try and find some other way to get money and then as you get money, you start to lose benefits and so you eventually hit a brick wall of you are losing benefits faster than you are making money, and so those are the people that it's kind of crazy like we need to give something that allows them to get past that brick wall you're just like not allowed to make money.
Speaker 1:The second you do, they're like oh, by the way, we need all the money that we gave you back. We need to, like take that back from you, because you should have never had that.
Speaker 3:Yeah and that's the thing, like, and even if it's like, oh, it's going to people who don't like the amount of the tax that you pay in taxes per year to like fund SNAP, you know, food stamps, whatever is pretty low. It's like $30, $40, like a year For the average person. It's obviously it depends on your like tax for the average person. It's obviously it depends on your tax bracket and stuff. Right, but like it's relatively it's not that much and I'm happy to pay to give that money so people don't starve, like you know, if there's a couple.
Speaker 2:I also feel like a problem is a lot of people don't understand how tax brackets work.
Speaker 1:Let's break down tax structures. Do you want to spend the next couple hours just talking about tax brackets, how, at a certain point, you no longer have to pay taxes?
Speaker 3:I'm working my way there. I haven't got there yet.
Speaker 1:I'm currently in the tax bracket where you don't have to pay taxes. It's called not fucking paying my taxes.
Speaker 3:Anyone can be there if you try hard enough.
Speaker 2:I pay as many. I'm unfortunately also in the tax bracket where I'm not paying taxes, but it's called poverty there's many.
Speaker 1:There's different ways to skin a cat yep, I'm in the tax bracket, it's called. If you're hearing this podcast, I'm already dead. You can't take money from a dead man, mike, needs an escape plan I've already escaped mike needs a body double to fake his own death. They're gonna find me with a gun full of microplastics next to me. I think it must have been the microplastics that killed him.
Speaker 3:It's the third one this week.
Speaker 1:The bullet was doused in Red 40. Oh, the Red 40 got him. That's what happened.
Speaker 2:The bullet that went through his brain covered in red.
Speaker 1:40. It must've been the dye.
Speaker 3:If you were going to overdose on any preservative, which would you pick Mythbusters? That's an excellent question.
Speaker 1:That's let's talk about like. This is one of my favorite statistics the the, the idea that processed meat gives us cancer, which is technically, empirically true. If we look at the statistics, you have an extra four percent uh risk on or um, was it forty percent risk of increasing, um, what's it called sorry I'm mixing up the numbers right now of cancer, but that it's a forty percent increased risk of your already existing risk of colon cancer which is very small. It's like four percent in the average population. So you're just adding.
Speaker 3:Basically, now it's a 4.4 percent chance which is significant right when you look at population scales millions of people like that's going to lead to more cases but like I'm not going to not have bacon because of an extra 0.4 percent chance of cancer, that's where this, this balance, comes in right.
Speaker 3:Like, I still enjoy, like um, a drink here and there. So like and I know alcohol is not good for me, but I'll have a drink here and there. I'm like you know what, if this and this is what takes me out, so be it. Like I gotta, I'm gonna live my life a little bit. I'm still gonna try and do healthy shit, but like also, yeah, I want a sandwich, or look at the process of somebody that's not exercising In terms of the process meats.
Speaker 2:We can offset that a little bit with, just with fiber Right, make sure you're getting people.
Speaker 3:It's just a balance, man, Like you know. It's like oh, have a drink here, have a sandwich there, it's all fine. Just try and do mostly healthy shit most of the time.
Speaker 2:The people that live longest are the ones that aren't constantly worried about every single thing that they're doing damn man, the fucking stress so many people I get.
Speaker 3:You know you get all the messages people like I'm so stressed about this. What about that? I'm like why are you fucking worried about aspartame so much?
Speaker 1:calm the fuck down like they're worried about it, but here's my hot take, here's my conspiracy. All of the people who are telling you not to intake aspartame are nervous that you're going to lose weight without paying them.
Speaker 3:Don't have this low calorie snack, don't have to buy their gum that doesn't have aspartame or whatever.
Speaker 1:Like you're not going to buy my magic tea, you're not going to buy my metabolic drops, you know, because you can lose weight at home for much cheaper, I'll be right back. I've got to do something.
Speaker 2:Mike's got a plan to go, but, like the majority of Americans, the majority of people are not healthy. Not because of aspartame it's not always cracking a cold one, that's what he's doing. It's not because of aspartame, it's not because of preservatives, it's not all these buzzwords. It's because they're eating too much and not exercising enough and stressing too much which, to be fair, there's a lot to stress about and not sleeping well enough.
Speaker 1:It's all the basic things, it. And then I'd bring it into my car. I'd wait about 10 minutes to a point where I could roll it up like a burrito and eat it in my car. I didn't do this often, but it was often enough to be significant. It's 4500 calories, I'm telling you, within 10 bites. I'm already done, but I've got the rest of this pizza baby in my hands. What am I going to do with it? So I would eat the whole thing and make myself sick. It wasn't red 40.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's another thing that uh doesn't help is we get pushed that idea that you have to finish your plate yeah, yep it's okay to stop eating and put it in the fridge, or give it to the dog, I don't care you can just throw it out.
Speaker 1:You are the only person who was ever going to eat that food. You can't bring table scraps to the local shelter where you shouldn't, so if you are using food for a purpose it's not intended for, you're wasting it. If you eat it beyond the point of feeling full and you make yourself sick, you're wasting it still, in my opinion anyway. Yeah you're not helping anyone by shoving it down your throat when you're not hungry you don't get extra points you can like you.
Speaker 3:There's something you can try and help out, like uh, you know uh, food banks and stuff, if you feel that way. I'm actually meeting with uh mid ohio food bank tomorrow to talk about like their hunger month, about raising awareness and whatnot.
Speaker 1:So I don't know what we're doing, but we're trying to figure something out can we just talk real quick about what uh food banks actually need, because what are they overloaded with?
Speaker 3:usually there's a couple of things they're overloaded with that they're getting too much of, and I think it's like certain canned goods or for sure but there are things that they don't get a lot of yeah, I don't know what sort of like food items that they need more of let's ask chatT what about like toilet paper and soap and stuff?
Speaker 1:Do food banks give that out?
Speaker 2:Yes, I would assume so I actually one of my previous roommates. Unfortunately, he was an immigrant worker and they didn't really understand the concept of seasonal work to him. So when winter came around, he lost his job and you know, he had to rely on a food bank for a little bit and they provided him with laundry detergent, soap, dish, soap, things, in addition to food.
Speaker 1:This here is an AI-generated response. I just talked to ChatGPT and it does say that non-essential or non-food essentials are needed. We've got toilet paper, toothpaste, deodorant, soap, shampoo and conditioner feminine hygiene products. That's an important one. You never think to bring that there. But in terms of food peanut butter, canned meat and fish, canned soups, canned beans, vegetables, canned fruit, rice, pasta, pasta, mac and cheese, shelf-stable milk that's an interesting one yeah, it's a good one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, I know they could always if it's shelf-stable then it's got too many preservatives and it's been heated too high and all these louis, you're trying to get all of us, not me that's all the items.
Speaker 1:There are bobby approved. They can barely imagine fucking.
Speaker 3:Hold on, hold on, hold on. Imagine bobby fucking parish walking into a food bank and just like picking up items and being like this has sodium phosphate in it. You don't want that like just fucking tearing into the only thing they they have, oh god, craft mac and cheese. Do you know how they get it this color?
Speaker 1:And he rips the box open and just pours it on the ground.
Speaker 2:It's okay, though, because he'll go home at night and sleep on his $3,000 mattress.
Speaker 3:That's lowballing it, but yeah.
Speaker 1:You know who we need? We've got Bobby Parrish. He's about all the natural stuff. I'm going to be Bobby Non Parish and I'm going to be advocating just for the most preservative, full things. Bobby Non Parish. Spam is the best source of protein. You guys have to try this. This is a teriyaki flavored spam. This did not come from an animal.
Speaker 3:Oh no, you got to definitely get yourself some of the meat alternatives. Like I, go for the most ingredients. This one has 47. That makes it the best.
Speaker 1:So it falls a little bit short of our ideal 60, but this will have to do Well no, no, he's still beating the 50 brain cell challenge these chicken patties are made with gasoline.
Speaker 3:Are they fried with gasoline or are they are made with gasoline? Are they fried with gasoline and or they're just made with gasoline?
Speaker 1:they actually have they just they take a syringe and just damn.
Speaker 3:I thought it was gonna be more like they use it for for fire at least.
Speaker 1:No, they just it's just in there like a.
Speaker 2:Like a chicken, you get the inside nice and juicy Chicken gusher.
Speaker 3:Oh God, it's just one. Like in every pack. Like it's just like. Oh, I got the fucking gasoline one, damn.
Speaker 1:The worst bean boozled game ever.
Speaker 3:It's so Everyone has to have lighters in front of their mouth at all times when eating chicken, just in case the world's going to shit. We're at least getting bean boozled chicken nugget. Gotta go down laughing this is no.
Speaker 1:No one take that idea.
Speaker 3:We're gonna patent it we might get in some legal trouble.
Speaker 1:We just gotta send the package out with a waiver or something honestly, I think we get past rfk. He seems to be pro gas can we talk about the logistics of killing an animal in new york city and, furthermore, can we talk about the logistics of an animal in new york? He's never been, did he?
Speaker 2:if that's the case actually in new york, or did he put it in his vehicle from somewhere else and bring it?
Speaker 3:I thought it was already dead, and then he put it on his trunk, that, or on his, the top roof of his car.
Speaker 1:Was the bear alive in Central Park. Like did it make it there? Because, like a squirrel's not going to make it to Central Park. To those of you who are unfamiliar with New York City, it's not like a lush nature paradise, it's just like a shitty park inside of a shitty city.
Speaker 3:A bear is not going to make it time square of it.
Speaker 2:I've never been to new york city. I was like, oh my god, central park it's gotta be this beautiful, lush, wild lands, and here you are just spoiling it for me.
Speaker 3:I know I mean, I've been to new york. I like Central Park, it's nice. I don't really like New York City in general.
Speaker 2:I like the cartoon show. Central Park cartoon beautiful.
Speaker 1:Central Park feels like outside time in maximum security prison.
Speaker 3:Outside time, time in the yard. You get back to your fucking cells.
Speaker 1:A bear is not going to make it there. Where is it coming from? It's got to travel from upstate New Yorkork.
Speaker 3:It's gotta go across the bridge maybe it took the fucking subway, we don't know crawling through the lincoln tunnel.
Speaker 1:What?
Speaker 3:are you gonna try and stop a bear like no, I'm gonna let him on if he tries to get on and just give him some space. Maybe it's a shaman ad, I don't fucking know.
Speaker 1:Like it's fine how did I get on rfk with the bear?
Speaker 3:well, I mean, he has a history of putting dead animals on the roof of his car sounds like he's a very interesting history altogether but he won't get a flu vaccine that's where he draws the line that would be crazy I.
Speaker 2:I've been seeing Dr Rubin post about all the vaccine related stuff that RFK is doing. That's insane.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm going to be the anti RFK as well. I'm going to get a vaccine every day. My arms are going to be sore.
Speaker 3:Would they be?
Speaker 2:more or less sore than somebody who's pinning every day.
Speaker 3:Well, I was thinking like, oh, you had arm day, vaccine day, it's every day, Alternating arms to give them time to rest.
Speaker 1:We don't build muscle in motion. We build it at rest. Rest is important. Let me talk real quick about getting back into a fitness routine, because I just recently got back into being in the gym. I was out of the gym for a little while. I didn't gain back of hope. I've stayed within the same five to eight pound range for the whole year. I didn't track anything. I didn't. I wasn't paying all that much mind in my food. I was just practicing the mindfulness that I have instilled in myself and taught to my clients.
Speaker 1:Just like I don't want to walk away from a table sick, I know roundabout when I'm hungry, when I'm not, I know what my emotional triggers are and I know like this isn't. This is just a craving, this isn't like a biological need. So I'm I'm fine, but getting back into a routine, I don't know why. Switching arms just reminded me of this. If anybody here right now has fallen off of their journey, so to speak, and getting back into it is tough. That's normal and regular, and you are going to need a little bit more time. You're not like broken or weak or anything.
Speaker 2:For most of us, the gym isn't our personality.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I don't want it to be mine. So I kind of had to approach this next phase with that in mind. I didn't want that to be my personality, like it was last time. I feel that yeah.
Speaker 2:I went through the phase of it being the main thing in my life and now I had to take that step back and get back into it myself and let myself be more relaxed with it.
Speaker 1:Were you going super hard with it before, like I was.
Speaker 2:Oh God yeah.
Speaker 1:Have you noticed that you're getting better results being a little bit more in moderation with it?
Speaker 2:Well, right now I haven't been doing it enough to gain any significant results. Like you know, it's mostly maintenance. Um, there might be a little bit.
Speaker 1:Well, I I stopped going enough to have lost a little bit of muscle, and so I'm probably putting some of that back on, but not at any significant rate, just because of, like, I'm taking it really easy I'm not doing the whole six days a week thing no, no, I I'm not doing it that way this time either, because I'm like I don't want to end up separating from it again and I'm telling you I think this time I'm getting better results than I did last time. To be quite honest, going about it in a measured way, I go in for like a full sprint probably because you're not on steroids.
Speaker 2:There's your problem well, actually that's.
Speaker 1:I came on here to announce that I am on 500 megs of trim, not trend trim, that's. It's a new thing.
Speaker 2:Trim yeah, oh, okay trim it's thank you for being transparent with us, unlike all those AI-generated programs.
Speaker 1:The AI-generated bodybuilders who are taking ones and zeros.
Speaker 3:Yeah, how'd you come up with your cycle? I asked ChatGPT what it felt like I should take.
Speaker 1:ChatGPT said yes, 10,000 milligrams of testosterone is fine.
Speaker 3:I want to be the most alpha male. I can be ChatGPT, let me know.
Speaker 1:When they start measuring testosterone supplements in grams, that's when you need to back away from it. Six grams seems like a lot.
Speaker 2:But the question is are you injecting it or are you doing the cream, where you rub it on your testicles?
Speaker 1:Suppository.
Speaker 3:Yes and yes, oh, okay.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Right in. Yeah, that sounds like the clean way to do it. Well, except for your finger maybe.
Speaker 1:Controversial opinion. This is the hill that I climb up this hill and slit my own throat, and this is before I make the argument. I just went up there to die in a nice place. If somebody looks like their body was inflated by a bike pump and they're selling you a workout plan that does not include the amount of drugs that they're on, you are not going to look like them, you are never going to look like them and you don't want to.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 1:And they should. They have people they should be training. They should be training bodybuilders who are competing on drugs. Yeah, that's fine. There's, there's a calling for that. It's not the regular person who just wants to lose a little bit of weight and get stronger.
Speaker 3:Instead you should go to VShred for that.
Speaker 1:You go to VShred. You get your somatotype read, you get your horoscope. Read, get your astrology signed.
Speaker 3:Find out what the new breaking studies at Harvard are, so you can exploit those All the normal stuff you know.
Speaker 1:They'll read your, your palms. They'll suntan your asshole.
Speaker 3:You get everything there one-stop shop at v shred. We're really going for that v shred sponsorship. Did you imagine a v?
Speaker 1:shred commercial after this. Honestly, they gotta take what they can get now. It's the comments on all their posts. You just seriously fuck v shred every time they post like. I don't think anybody can fall for it anymore well, the problem is people.
Speaker 2:They're um, they've got such a good marketing team at targeting people who are brand new to the space. Yeah, and so that's before they even get introduced to people like scotty yeah, interesting.
Speaker 3:Get their money, get the fuck out. Yep, we're going to have to. We're going to get out. It's like after midnight for me, so I need to get a moderate dose of closing my eyes, fucking waiting for tomorrow. Before you get woken up by a child. Oh, she just said like six in the morning, just screaming at me like okay, let's go With my clients.
Speaker 1:I have habits that I I teach them, and everything kind of fits into those categories. Number one is sleep. Yeah, it's number one is sleep of the six something that we definitely don't focus on enough greed I need to go focus on it right meow get on out of here, weren't you at sleep medicine professional?
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, and my sleep was fucking dog shit while I was in it too. It was very ironic, I'm aware, All right, Well everybody.
Speaker 1:It has been wonderful to be back. To be your fall guy is the great honor of my life.
Speaker 2:And once again, Mike, let everybody know where they can find you.
Speaker 1:I say this every time. I don't want them to find me. I got enough people following me. Now you can find me at MikeNeedsAPlan on Instagram and TikTok and all the places you can go to Mike'sPlancom if you'd like a non-chat GPT AI coach to guide you to success, who's also not on steroids and might be taking a fatal dose of preservatives later for fun.
Speaker 2:And Mike's also got. Is it a group coaching thing that you've got going on now steroids and might be taking a fatal dose of preservatives later for fun?
Speaker 1:And Mike's also got is a group coaching thing that you've got going on. Now. I do have a group coaching program. You can go to schoolskoolcom slash plan or you can just send me a DM on Instagram. I'll talk to you about it there.
Speaker 2:I don't have a team, it's just me, so if you're looking for a group to join, you can go check out Mike.
Speaker 1:Rob, I got to have you come in and guest speak in there. You should come in and do a lesson. I can do that.
Speaker 2:I can do that I can do that, we'll do it. I want to have a cam for it, but hey.
Speaker 1:We'll get Liam to come in and just sleep on camera for an hour. Perfect, encourage everybody to do it. All I encourage everybody to do it. All right, let's let Liam go to sleep. Thank you, guys, for having me Seriously fuck V Shred.
Speaker 2:What's his name?
Speaker 1:B Shred, v Shred, c Shred all of them, fuck all of them. B Shred, a Shred, b Shred.
