In Moderation
Providing health, nutrition and fitness advice in moderate amounts to help you live your best life.
Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
In Moderation
Mindful Eating in a Noisy World
Ever wonder why some people can leave half a cookie untouched while others can't stop thinking about it? That difference isn't just willpower—it's about the relationship we've built with food, and the good news is that relationship can change.
Our conversation dives deep into the journey from disordered eating to food freedom. We explore how the "noise" around food—those constant thoughts and cravings—can transform from "two megaphones on your ears" to simply "an annoying roommate you need to knock on the wall to quiet down." This shift doesn't come from more restriction or perfect eating, but from developing awareness about how food actually makes your body feel.
One of the most powerful concepts we discuss is approaching food choices not by asking "How many calories does this have?" but rather "How will I feel after eating this?" This simple reframing helps guide natural moderation without rigid rules. We also challenge the misconception that intuitive eating means eating whatever you want—it's actually a skill that must be developed through practice, like learning to fly a plane.
The conversation tackles how research about "dangerous" foods often gets misinterpreted, creating unnecessary fear and stress that might be worse for us than the foods themselves. We break down how statistics about diet soda, processed meats, and other villainized foods often lack context, leading to confusion rather than clarity.
Ready to develop a healthier relationship with food? Listen now to discover why sustainable change comes when weight loss becomes the side effect, not the main goal. Your relationship with food doesn't have to be a lifelong struggle—it can be a source of joy and nourishment when approached with mindfulness and moderation.
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Speaker 2:You're supposed to do the normal intro. Mike, give us the normal intro. I like when you do the intro, it's good.
Speaker 1:Here's the thing that I realized about the intro last time is that they're hearing the intro and then they hear me do the intro a second time, which is welcome to in moderation.
Speaker 2:So it's intro squared and it's better I got it, Go ahead, Go go go Intro when we give you a moderate dose of sarcasm.
Speaker 1:Advice, and you already know we're not approved.
Speaker 2:There we go, that's one.
Speaker 1:Today I've been approved as a co-host to you. This is now I've co-hosted for both of you.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So then now, the next time it's just going to be you.
Speaker 1:It's only going to be me. You're doing it all yourself. I am in moderation, it's only me. Mike needs a co-host, mike needs moderation or something I don't know. We'll have to workshop it or run it by Rob, who is unfortunately missing. He got sent to seed oil reform school. That's where.
Speaker 2:I was going to go with. He's fighting Vikings, or no wait, you go to Valhalla after you're done. How does fall?
Speaker 1:I think that's just his fourth period class at seed oil remedial school. Oh yes, he goes there.
Speaker 2:I've got rapeseed, I've got soybean, I've got Valhalla. It's just adorable, typical day yeah.
Speaker 1:Normal, I've got Valhalla. It's just adorable. Typical day, yeah, normal. And then we get to, yeah, hydrogenated oils right after that. Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know. So, like, what I want to talk about is because when we first had you on, we talked about, like your weight loss. You know the time during your weight loss transformation and I kind of want to say I think people just sort of like need people like the inspiration right. So I want to see what was your kind of typical day before that and what is your typical day.
Speaker 1:So I'm going to start really quick by talking about a typical day now, and then we'll get into where we are. So I still and this is I just wanted to start this off because we've not spoken in a very long time I would say what? One, two, three days, something like that, something like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, do you know how many seconds that is?
Speaker 1:I don't. That's a lot of seconds. Almost as many ingredients as there are in Crazy Bread at Little Caesars. I've counted because we all know the number counts much more than the actual ingredients the number of the ingredients is the worst thing. Yes, we know, yeah even if the ingredients were, like you know, cyanide and milled flour, and that's it one ingredient sugar.
Speaker 2:That's why I have a spoon and a bag full of sugar david rodent said something a while.
Speaker 1:He said you're not addicted to sugar because no one's ever been sitting with a bag of sugar Just going into it.
Speaker 2:We've talked about that before because like, yeah, exactly, it's not just like there's sugar, Like you know. You go to a store and they're like, oh, would you like some sugar? And they just give you fucking like little shot glasses where you sit there just sipping it like little shot glasses where you sit there just sipping it, like no one just sits here with sugar.
Speaker 1:It doesn't happen.
Speaker 2:Caramelizing sugar in a meth pipe, just trying to get one hit. I would never forget that and that would be the greatest sight. If you just saw someone they're like come on, come on, come on, do you?
Speaker 1:have a light, bro.
Speaker 2:This is becoming burnt sugar oh no, fucking corn syrup won't work. I need cane sugar, you idiot. Yeah, the high fructose corn syrup won't work. I'd eat cane sugar. You're an idiot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the high fructose corn syrup just doesn't hit the same way. But back on the topic that you just hit me with, as somebody who used to be quite large, I was never terribly comfortable in my body at my biggest or my smallest. So you know, when I went to a formal event when I was bigger, it didn't really matter. I could just kind of, you know, cover my what I felt was a hog body and a loose tarp and and show up, and it didn't matter because I was like, well, no one's gonna look at me, I don't want them to. Uh, now that I've lost all the weight and I've gotten in a shape that I somewhat appreciate, you show up shirtless, I showed up shirtless. Well, the wedding kind of became that once the rain started coming down, it was raining sideways.
Speaker 2:I mean, there was water up to your ankles, it was ridiculous.
Speaker 1:It became a pool party quickly. It did become a pool party, which was great. Those are the stories that you tell is all the stuff that went wrong you know, but I was very nervous.
Speaker 1:I'm a bow tie and suspenders guy and I was very nervous about it being in my current form. I'm like, well, I'm going to stand out, I'm going to look like, you know, a tall child, uh, amongst adults, and I just thought I looked ridiculous. And then I get to the hotel in my car and I pick up this strapping young, tall, handsome man in a bow tie and suspenders and I'm like, huh, he's looking rather dashing, he really is.
Speaker 2:Which I order those the night before the wedding. I amazon that ship to my house overnight because I had no clothes. Since they were all packed, I was like what can I wear? I was like scotty bow tie suspenders. Okay. He's like yep, definitely.
Speaker 1:I'm like let's go let's go, let's do it. But I thought you and this is I didn't tell you that day, but I thought you looked so good that I looked at myself and I'm like, well, we're kind of almost wearing the same thing. We were both. Yeah, it was just different colors, that's all. But I'm just like, well, if he looks good, then I guess I must, by proxy, also look good, and that actually helped me through the day. So I didn't get to tell you that when we were there, but I just wanted to tell you now.
Speaker 2:We were. I didn't get to tell you that when we were there, but I just wanted to tell you now that we were the best looking people at that party. Yes, there's other fitness influencers who are like super strong or whatever. No, no, no, no. Nothing compared to the tall skin.
Speaker 1:They can't work out those ugly mugs. Looks maxing to failure, not going to work.
Speaker 2:If you're, if your calves have more than a seven inch off diameter, then no, you don't belong at this party.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. If you still have a neck, get out. If your shoulders are not visibly connected to your jawline, we need you to go home. So I'll tell you how.
Speaker 1:This day related to a day in my past, because I still get the, the bingey tendencies. I get the you know, wanting to picket stuff until I'm sick tendencies, and I've got tools that I use to work through that. It's not nearly as loud as it used to be, whereas my food noise was like two megaphones on my ears before, and now it's like an annoying roommate that I've got to knock on the wall to get them to shut up, you know so. So I approach things a little bit more strategically. Back in the day, if I had approached this at my heaviest, I would have just said well, fuck it, it doesn't matter, I'm going to make myself sick, it's a special occasion, I'll just eat whatever and whatever.
Speaker 1:Nowadays I think about how I'm going to feel the rest of the night. I'm not concerned about calories. I'm not tracking calories, I'm not bringing a food scale. My sole metric when I'm out is how is this going to make me feel? Not mentally, not, no. What will this do to my waistline? I know I went over my deficit or whatever, but I don't care. All I want to do is get through that night without feeling like shit.
Speaker 2:Right, because I'm sure when you're at your heavier side like you would eat things that you just feel like shit the rest of the night for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's now. I've got a rule I won't eat barbecue before sundown, you know, because, like, if I have it at one in the afternoon, I'm burned for the rest of the day. What are you telling me? Like I'm gonna have to live after that? No, that's a going to sleep kind of meal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think like when it comes to like intuitive eating, it gets a lot of flack. And when I started getting into nutrition, I was I had my. I was skeptical of it as well, because you know you tell people like, oh yeah, eat whatever you want. No, eat whatever you want. And they're like, well, obviously they're just gonna inhale oreos and shit, like that's all. They're gonna eat nothing but reese's pieces. But um, it's about teaching people. They're like, hey, you could, you, totally you have free will. You can do whatever the hell you want. You know you could. You could wrap those oreos around a pizza, roll it up, but you probably won't feel so good later on. So it's, it's about learning that what works well with your body, and I think so. That's like I. I think that's a good way of looking at it's just like, hey, if I eat this, how am I gonna feel later? I feel later on, if I eat this, not so good.
Speaker 1:Maybe that's not the best choice, not talking about calories and it's got this and it doesn't have that, but like and there's like when you're at home working with the food scale or being more mindful, you're paying attention to how much food makes you feel good. You're paying attention to like well, this amount of food is generally going to make me feel good.
Speaker 1:Have you seen those videos that'll be like. This is me when I'm intuitively eating an entire chocolate cake. I don't know if I have. It's like a five second clip of a guy just like totally going down on a entire cake.
Speaker 2:No, I don't think so.
Speaker 1:And it's fun, like I, I, I, I giggle at those you know, cause it's like it's super relatable. I get it.
Speaker 2:Right, we all have that thought. We're like what if I just inhaled this right now?
Speaker 1:My body's telling me that I want to eat this entire cheesecake which is just. I'm sorry to break it to you as someone who used to eat entire cheesecakes.
Speaker 2:Your brain and your body don't want you gotta feel so shitty after something like I've. I'm gonna be honest, I've never, like I've never. I don't think I've ever had like a straight up, like binge on something where I just like you know eight, three, four or five thousand calories of a specific food. I don't know. I think I've been very lucky or blessed, or whatever it is that I just like I've always just like. I eat something I use certain amount of like. Okay, I'm good, that's it, I'm done, I don't need any more of this. So I'm always interested in hearing other people like where they come from, like when that happens, and that sort of thing.
Speaker 1:It was observing people like you that helped to inform how I was going to live. I remember I was at a barbecue years ago. I had lost most of the weight. I think I was still due for another weight gain after that point. But I was speaking with a family member who had never struggled with their weight, never seemed like they were watching anything. Who had never struggled with their weight, was never like it, seemed like they were watching anything and they were eating a cookie and then put it down to tell me a story and all I could think of the whole time was the cookie in that napkin and they're just sitting there talking and I'm like, well, anyway, they're still.
Speaker 1:are they gonna get back to that cookie? There's still half that cookie left. Can I, can I get? Can I go grab another one? Like all I could think of was the cookie. And then at a certain point, like we got called inside or whatever and they walked away, he just walked away from the cookie, still in the napkin, still on the table.
Speaker 1:And you're, just you're you're flabbers are gassed in, yeah, flatly gasted, so like insane, yeah, and I was at a certain point I felt inclined to bring it up to him and I said hey, do you?
Speaker 2:you left a cookie out there and he said, yeah, it's fine, you can I hope you started the conversation just with that, like, hey, just the cookie, the cookie outside. You left that there.
Speaker 1:You finish that one I mean he was like, ah, damn fine, you can have it piggy. But I was like the reason I had asked him was I'm like I needed to know if he was thinking about it. It was one of the structure questions.
Speaker 2:I see where you're coming from, but it's just as from his perspective, he's like what about the cookie? I don't understand.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was just like I'm. I don't. If I need another one, I'll go get it, but it's honestly, I just forgot about it and that was so intriguing to me that somebody could just forget about cookie, bring up cookies.
Speaker 2:Because I remember there was, um, I was watching something, um they're talking about like weight loss and food, noise and stuff on. I think it was, I think tv, whatever um, where they said like if there's a meeting and somebody brings in cookies, right, like there's a plate of cookies, there's like three types of people. There's the type of people that will only think about the cookies they come in. They're just like god, I just want those fucking cookies, so bad I could eat every single one of those. And then there's the people that will eat one cookie and they're like ah, that's it. And then the third, the last group, is the ones that don't even notice. It's like oh wait, there's cookies here. I didn't even, I didn't even notice that. And like you're and not everyone's one of those three people, but like you know, you've got bits of both or whatever.
Speaker 2:And I think it's kind of working with what. What type you are, and if you're someone you know is always thinking about the cookies, can you get to a point where you're more just, okay, I can have one, let me eat one cookie, and then hopefully I won't be thinking about them the rest of the time, because I think a lot of people will try to abstain completely. I think that's better. Right, like I'm not gonna have any, I'm not gonna eat, and then that's. That's all you think about. Then the rest of the time is the cookies, whereas if you had one, maybe that would help. Of course, there's still people you're probably still thinking about it, but it's about getting to that point right when you're just like, okay, I'm going to eat one, because I'm that second one where I'm like, oh, cookie's cool, I'll eat one and then that's it. I don't need to be sitting there just eating a whole it is very possible to to change the type of person.
Speaker 1:You are in that situation Because I've been and on the topic real quick of completely abstaining is sure, will you be healthier if you never have a cookie again? Like biologically sure, but also like I don't wanna live a life without cookies so, and I also don't wanna give cookies that kind of power, like they're not powerful. I am powerful in that situation. If I say I can't control myself around a cookie, I am just completely absolving my power.
Speaker 2:Have you seen a macadamia nut like cookie? That's a pretty powerful cookie right there.
Speaker 1:That's all I'm saying barely get to see them. I'll tell you that much.
Speaker 2:They stay in my eyesight too long can I tell you fucking subways like macadamia like cookies, like white chocolate macadamia cookies. I don't know what is about those ones specifically, but I'm like I want one of those cookies. I don't care if there are 400 calories each, I want one per bite. It's they're so good the macadamia is giving that crunch.
Speaker 1:It's so good it's. That's one of the only things where, if someone's like I don't like it, I stop being friends with them. It's we're gonna trust them after that, absolutely not with all these like food.
Speaker 2:I keep getting people saying like they'll tag me in a video of someone making something like fucking decadent ass cookies or brownies or whatever it is, and they're like can you make this low calorie, high protein? I'm like, no, I can't. But I'll tell you what I can do fucking smother my face with the real deal, because that shit looks oh, it's just unreal appetizing. Like I'm just gonna. I made some like you know dip with like did you know they sell like the cheesecake? Philadelphia has cheese. I know it's just like ready to eat.
Speaker 2:I did not know this.
Speaker 1:There's a couple of versions of Mike that.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, it's you go into that with an entire pack of graham crackers. So we I did heath bits, like heath bits, and mini chocolate chips and caramel. Okay, I was like fuck, I'm just eating this with I with a green apple.
Speaker 2:Don't normally like green apples tartness though the tartness of the green apple works pretty well with the, with the dip and the sugar and all the other things, and I just had some of it and I was done and I said was like I didn't eat that, I'm not going to eat that. So I think that's more freeing, really right.
Speaker 1:So you're like, oh, I can have some. So, as somebody who never struggled with that inability to stop, what is it in your brain that tells you we're done?
Speaker 2:That's a good question, because I think it's a little bit of both. It's a little bit of both. It's a little bit of like just having the right appetite regulation right, because you're like you have leptin which kind of makes you feel full, and ghrelin that makes you feel hungry. It's not just those two things, but those are like kind of the two hormones like the big players in that. And I think a lot of people have a kind of a misregulation in that right where they just have less leptin, more ghrelrelin. They're hungrier more often. And I think I've always just had balance of that, where I start to eat and then I'm like all right, I'm full, that's it.
Speaker 2:I went to lunch today to meet with a friend because I'm leaving for New York, so I was going to say goodbye everyone, like hey, I'll be back next year, or whatever. And we went out and I got a burrito, like a Thai basil burrito oh man, so good. Sweet potato fries too, forget about it. But like I ate half the burrito and then I had I saved the other half. I was like I'm not, I don't want the other half, like I know I I I'm like could I eat this other half of this burrito? Yeah, I'm sure I could fit it in my, a Japanese term.
Speaker 2:Fuck, I'm going to butcher the shit out of it, but it's like hara hachi boo or hara hachi boo. It's like eat until you're 80% or something like that. So, eat until like you're not. You don't want to eat until you're stuffed. You want to eat until you're like okay, I'm not hungry anymore. And that's where I was at. I was like I'm not hungry anymore. I'm going to save this for later. And then I ate it, like a couple hours ago or something. And when I got home I was like, all right, perfect, I'll have that now. So it's a I. It's partly knowing I'm going to feel super stuffed and partly just like I'm not really hungry anymore. It's just like that's it. I'm.
Speaker 1:I'm no longer hungry. Let me put it to you this way. This is kind of like just a peek into the other side. You have like say you were studying for a test that got you your degree in sleep medicine. You know you're very nervous about it. Obviously you care a bunch, you had studied a bunch and everything. I think so maybe, uh, maybe, you're a shit student for the most part. When there was like a big test that was going to make or break whether or not you succeeded, how much did you think about it?
Speaker 2:about the test.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like were you able to relax at all during the day, knowing it was coming up?
Speaker 2:I would say yes, but like when? If it was definitely something on my mind, but it wasn't the only thing on my mind. It was something I could push to the back and be like, all right, I'm gonna watch this, I'm gonna play this, I'm gonna go do this thing, and so, like I'm still kind of you know, you have that thing in the back of your mind like, oh, I got that test, let me just can't wait for that to be over, but I still can enjoy myself, and it's not the only thing I'm fucking mr healthy.
Speaker 1:Jesus christ, give me whatever piece of your brain keeps you sane I don't listen.
Speaker 2:I I've said it many times I think I'm just very like, just genetics-wise. I don't have any disorders or like any. Yet my wisdom, like that's the most I've like I've never even had any real significance. I've been pretty. I've been pretty blessed, pretty privileged really. I mean we grew up without a lot of money, we didn't have a whole lot of money, but outside health, wise and everything. So I think I don't know, I think a lot of it is just sort of the like luck of the draw. I, I mean I wasn't like an, a student, but like I got by, just I got by just fine.
Speaker 1:A dozen honors and I had it too damn easy.
Speaker 2:I recognize, though, like I, and I think, yeah, when I was younger and you're like 20 years old, you kind of have that. I have that feeling where I'm like, why doesn't everyone just do what I do? Jesus, it's so fucking easy If everyone just acted like me. They all you know. So I definitely had some of that, yeah. But then as I got older, I realized there was a lot of things. There was just many factors from nature to nurture, you know, like whether it's just genetics or whatever it's your upbringing that was different than mine. There was many reasons why people struggle and recognizing that, and I think going to school for nutrition really helped cement that, and listening to other people who are going through those things cemented that even more. And so now I'm just like, hey, we're all just trying to get through this and live our life. I'm very lucky. Other people are not. So I'm going to try and use my voice to speak for them.
Speaker 1:I hear all the time from people that have nothing but nice things to say about you, like in my comments, when they find out that you and I are friends. I love that guy. He's really helped me heal my relationship with food and recognize that not everything is scary. Like you're giving people power back, which is really nice.
Speaker 2:That is one of the main goals when I really yeah, really like hey, it's healthier tips, but also like, don't freak out like that and that's what's nice. I love seeing those comments over and over. I'll never get tired of that. Like hey, I used to be scared of everything I ate and now I'm just kind of like living my life and I'm more relaxed and like I'm not as stressed. That's the biggest thing. I don't know. I just think, especially like Western culture gets so fucking stressed out about everything that it's. Is that thing important? I'm sure it is, but the stress you're putting yourself on yourself is making it way worse than the thing that's actually.
Speaker 1:There's a weird psychological thing that I caught myself doing when I like look back retrospectively at how I used to act, and just with the people that I help now, whether it be my one-on-one clients or my group coaching community, one of the reasons that we self-sabotage is to give ourselves permission to indulge in our coping mechanism. If we can make a situation bad enough, if we can convince ourselves it is required now that I take care of myself in the only way. I know how we will give ourselves permission to go off the rails, as they'd say, and I certainly did that. I mean, obviously, the things I was going through at certain times in my life were very rough, but I know there were times where I was almost kind, kind of stoking the flame in a way, whether I knew it or not, to let myself get that third order of McDonald's.
Speaker 2:I think having a place where you feel comfortable, you like you have this place and put trying to push yourself outside of that, you're always going to just want to kind of go back to that comfy place and like that's I, not so much with food, but like I married my high school sweetheart, like we were. I met her when we were like 16 and there were several times where, like you know, you gotta break up and then get back together and you break because you're together for like 10 years, right, and like from 16 to like 28 or something, so it's like 12 years. You do a lot of growing and completely different people.
Speaker 1:You're like completely different people by the end of it and we would both do this, both of us.
Speaker 2:We're just like you'd go out and do something. But then you're like, oh, that's, this is scary, and like I don't know, it's just. I know this person like this is comfortable for me, even if it's not the most ideal thing. I understand this and it feels, I feel safe in here. Like let me just go back to this because the world right, I think we all kind of have that sort of thing. So I like, from that aspect, I totally get it, and I did that for a long time when you know it would have been better for me to just push myself outside my comfort zone.
Speaker 1:But man, this fucking stuff, man, it's scary so you're binging your wife is what you're saying I was binging, I was really like we.
Speaker 2:It took a lot for me and there was a lot of things and there was a lot of oh man, what? Therapy on therapy after that just trying to figure out like what, who I was afterwards and like there was still times I still wanted to go back to like my ex and we still talk actually to this day. But we took some time, we took a break apart and now we're actually like friends and we talk and you know that sort of stuff, check in with each other, but we're both much out than it was before. So it's just it.
Speaker 1:It took a lot of time to everybody gasping and screaming that liam is happily married and still talking to an ex. Every situation is different. It not everything has to end in hellfire and not every relationship. Yeah, I see that.
Speaker 2:A lot and I totally get why people do that. They feel the need to disconnect completely.
Speaker 1:I like if you're in that situation I totally understand, I do.
Speaker 2:But like I am that I I would like to feel that I'm the type of person that, like I, can set these things aside. I can disconnect these things and just like, all right, this is just somebody. I've known them since I was 16. Like we grew up together. It's like, oh, you know, um, but we can set aside all the other stuff that will cause issues and we actually have what's left is like a nice and that's what we in moderation. We're switching from food to talking about relationship statuses and how you can heal.
Speaker 1:Isn't that the natural progression of fitness people online is? Eventually, we either coach or get into relationship advice, or coach other coaches or get into relationship advice.
Speaker 2:At least somewhat right. It always ends up, you know, I don't know why that is. Is that for everyone? Do you think it's just for fitness or like everyone? Eventually, like the relationship just kind of comes into it because it's like I guess it's.
Speaker 1:It's when maybe your relevancy has fizzled out and you refuse to move with the times, like there's a certain creator that I I don't know if I want to mention them or not. I mean, I'm not saying anything out of school here, like it's just stuff I've observed him doing. But he started selling this like nootropic thing under his own brand I'll tell you the name after the show and andrew humerman. Well, he's just. I've got some words about him. Anyway, speaking of our guest today, let's bring him in.
Speaker 2:Dave Asprey. Oh, even better. How's the bulletproof coffee going? Still any mold in there? No, Perfect.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's about to hook two electrical nodes up to my asshole to change my genetic code from the ground up. The one thing that these people are the ones that are really successful is really fucking creative. Like years ago, he could get away with the bulletproof coffee, because that was insane to us back then. Now we've got a circus monkey as a president. Butter in the coffee, that's. That's just to me, a normal coffee that's just another tuesday, come on.
Speaker 2:We need something more, a lot more.
Speaker 1:So now he's got biohacking clinics where you go, you pay pay him $50,000, you sign a waiver and who knows what happens after that. I don't think they let cameras in there.
Speaker 2:I really just feel like they had cardboard cutouts and stuff of like machines and somebody making a noise like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom and they're like all, right now you're living another 10 years. They're like awesome, I'm glad I spent 50 years.
Speaker 1:Don't look at the man behind the curtain and you pull it back, and it's the wizard of Dr Oz.
Speaker 2:This is all our opinion, so we don't get sued.
Speaker 1:This is all just our opinion of what's a complete opinion that I think. In my opinion, these guys are all shit eating weenie babies. That's not an official declaration of anything.
Speaker 2:But anyway, back to food. Uh, I was the original question I want to say, you know, compared to then to now, like you know, so you're just saying so is that kind of. The main thing is just how will I feel after I eat this? Is that the main driver now?
Speaker 1:exactly. It's pretty much like. When I got here to dallas last year, I kind of stopped tracking my calories for the first time since I'd started mindfully maintaining my weight, which at that point I was what? Two years into it, and I haven't gained any fat from April to April, 24 to 25.
Speaker 2:But you've gained habits, though, but I've gained habits.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I put the habits that I had gained to the test. Yeah, is really what I did. And Dallas, the only good thing about being here is that there's some delicious food everywhere and I have not said, oh, I can't have that because I'll gain my weight back. I've had everything I've wanted to have. It's just been in moderation.
Speaker 2:Moderation. There you go.
Speaker 1:You said, the thing sounds so much better with that moderation. Moderation is not a good echo word. No, you need a like two, one or two syllables at most. But yeah, it's I. The reason I had mentioned those uh of somebody saying I'm intuitively eating a whole chocolate cake is because saying intuitive eating is a feeling is like saying I'm going to intuitively fly this plane. I could get behind the wheel. See, that's how much I know about how to fly in a plane.
Speaker 1:I don't know how, whatever that thing is that they have you can picture the thing Sky car.
Speaker 2:The sky car.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the thing that controls the sky car makes it go this way instead of so, yeah it's. You can't intuitively eat, just like you can't intuitively fly a plane. Without practice, it is not a feeling, it is a skill, it's something. Now, at any point, I could learn to fly a plane. Nathan Fielder just did it.
Speaker 1:It's a good way of putting it yeah, but it's, that's how I changed it. It wasn't a feeling, it wasn't. I just suddenly like got better. I had to train it and that's one of the things that I trained myself to do was like, do that, uh, whatever the that concept you were talking about before, where you were worried about butchering the pronunciation of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, harahachi Boo, harahachi Boo, it's really it.
Speaker 1:it building that skill just took me eating slowly and taking notes for a while. It was kind of neurotic, but I'm glad I did it. I'm like I'm going to take a bite and I'm going to wait five minutes and then I'm going to take another bite. Not, and I'm going to wait five minutes and then I'm going to take another bite Not for my calories, not for my weight, not for my health, because I genuinely just want to see how I feel.
Speaker 2:I think that's really smart, I think it's a really good just slow, especially with our Western culture, united States, whatever. You just kind of scarf food down and move on. You each eat out of your cup holder in your car as you're driving and then it's gone by the time you get there. I'm talking to myself as well, like I've definitely been there, but I think that that slowing down can be different, I think if you're trying to learn a new habit like that there.
Speaker 1:That's another thing I don't do. I don't eat when my mind isn't there. My whole body's got to be there. So I don't get popcorn at the movies anymore. I don't get anything at the movies.
Speaker 2:Oh dude, I yeah, okay. That is one scenario where you won't even realize, you just kind of keep eating.
Speaker 1:You're like oh it's gone, yeah, and you look down at that giant extra large and it's huge the amount of food they give you like you, look at your stomach popcorn. Where's it going? I?
Speaker 2:say, fucking, they're so smart with, like I don't know there's a term for it, but basically, where you have a small, medium and large popcorn and the small is like $5. The medium is $11.50 and the large is $10. And you're like, okay, well, if the medium's $11, it's only 50 cents more for the large. The medium is not there for you to buy it, it's just more for the large. The medium is not there for you to buy it, it's just to make the large look better. Yeah, it gets me. I'm like well, I have to, I've got to get a large, it's right, it's 50.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no one's going for the medium I I.
Speaker 2:Every time I see that on a menu, I think about it as I'm ordering the large sometimes there's there's times I'm like I want to order the order medium just because I know that, but I still won't even do it. I'm like, no, just give me the fucking large, I'm going with it.
Speaker 1:You order the medium. They look at you and they're like sir, are you sure Are?
Speaker 2:you, okay, we don't have any we actually don't have any cups or things of that. Nobody orders those. Just give me like 80% of a large. They go back there. They're like dust Busting off the cops because they're filled. It's just film with dust, it's nobody fucking orders.
Speaker 1:It still has the Pepsi logo from 2003 on it. Where did this come from?
Speaker 2:Oh shit. What they do have, though, is the movie theater. Honestly, one of my favorite things about the movie theaters is they have those fucking fountain drinks with all the options. So many zero options. They even have grape. Why the fuck is it their grape? Zero soda anywhere, right, god, grape is good, there's. I have fanta sun kiss and crush three orange. I have enough orange. I like orange soda. Give me a fucking grape, guys.
Speaker 1:Come on, what do I got that mountain dew and so at the movie theater I can do. Yeah, it's. They've got, like, the flavor additives to where, like, you can get 10 different flavors of Sprite if you want. Like they don't even make lime Sprite, but you can get it from a Coca-Cola freestyle machine at AMC and you can mix them together too and go fucking. You can get like just a half gallon of red dye 40.
Speaker 2:I have cream soda like peach ones like cream soda, strawberry cream soda, like a bunch of different variations of cream soda. I'm like this is insane and I'm getting the large and I'm going back to refill this. I am hitting my fucking ADI of aspartame at this day. How much is it that I need to hit 20 cans? I'm easily hitting 20 cans right here and I gotta piss my pants so bad by the end of the movie, but I'm not.
Speaker 1:I'm not missing no, I'm gonna miss it yeah, that's, that's why. That's why I like the movie theater I'm sitting down for a four hour and 12 minute Marvel movie with two gallons of Sprite in my colon.
Speaker 2:There's refills. No, no, I can't, I can't leave, I need to.
Speaker 1:Do you have any? It's the popcorn. Just use the popcorn bucket.
Speaker 2:I was at the dentist today and it was like that. My dentist is like, yeah, I drink, like I still finished off because he drinks like regular sodas.
Speaker 2:So, he's like I only drink one here and there. And like my soda cans, I just finished had like a santa claus on them and I was like damn, I don't even know what that's like. I drink like three or four a day like how the hell, like once that all that infrequently? No, I can't, I can't do it. Listen, if the diet soda is the thing that kills me, fuck it. I die happy man like I'm not man. There's too many other things to worry about than have diet soda.
Speaker 1:You had posted a video within the last couple of days I don't know if it was today. I think I saw it today when somebody was talking about diet soda being linked to Alzheimer's. Yeah, which is true.
Speaker 2:True, technically speaking, there's a higher percentage of people uh, people who drink diet soda tend to have a higher percentage of all. Yeah, but at least some studies will find this. It depends on the study. But at the same time, you know you have to look at the confounding variables. Like, the people who drink diet soda also tend to have more diabetes, because when you have diabetes you're not trying to get fucking 48 grams of pure high fructose course here straight to your veins, straight to your fucking bloodstream. You know you generally go with the diet version and, yeah, uh, people who have diabetes are more likely to get, um, alzheimer's. It had to do with, like, constriction of the blood vessels and a bunch of other things. Anyway, the point is that you're more likely to have that, so that's more likely. Why, talking about that shit? Fucking Tylenol, acetaminophen, acetaminophen they couldn't have practiced?
Speaker 2:that once before they ran a whole press.
Speaker 1:This is not a partisan statement. They couldn't have just for one second.
Speaker 2:No, I don't Just say it. You know you're going to say it anyway, whatever.
Speaker 1:The whole press conference was about it.
Speaker 2:But, like, acetaminophen is one of the only things that women who are pregnant can take when they're pregnant to reduce fever for pain. Take when they're pregnant to reduce fever for pain, and having a fever is, you know, one of the things that seems to increase the risk for a child having so or is it the tylenol they're taking or is the fact that they've you know they're what they're taking it for. So now you tell them to not take that and more women are going to just suffer through fevers, which not the greatest idea, no, and so, yeah, these are all these, and that's the thing. It's like, it's kind of getting frustrating with this, like anti-science, like people want like just one answer to things and like I get it, it would be so great for, like, oh shit, it's been fucking Tylenol this whole time.
Speaker 1:Well, let's just get rid of that Then we're good, like that would be awesome it's, and also just another note here the percentage by which it goes up. So, like the example that I like to use, I think everyone is aware of the fact that having processed deli meats increases the risk of colon cancer by like 40 percent not right, but the absolute value yes, but it's 40 of the amount that already exists.
Speaker 1:So the the last time I looked up the statistic it's if you are just an average human being, you've got a four percent risk of getting colon cancer just without ever touching deli meat. 40 of that is 4.4 percent. That's it. So it goes up.
Speaker 2:Your new risk is and so those are one of those things that, like I get on. Like when you're giving guidelines for food, when you're talking to millions of people, you say, okay, hey, this increases your risk. So you know, yes, it's only by a small percentage. But if we tell everyone right and every, you know, like, even if we can reduce it on a like a population size, like a large population size, it will save a significant number of people from getting colon cancer. So it's like I get it. But also, yeah, and the individual level. It's like am I really just never gonna have a hot dog because, like of this one thing, not like whatever, it's a fucking party.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna have a hot dog put some relish on it, because, god man, I fucking love relish the pickles, man I love, I just you like your fermented foods I like the kimchi. Oh, fucking kimchi man, that shit that needs to be more popular, see. And kimchi, fiber fermented foods, good for your fucking gut and stuff. So yeah, just have some kimchi with it. Boom, balance. That's what's, I think, more important than like, oh, I can never have it.
Speaker 1:It's also those numbers that 40% increase is like, based on somebody who's eating like four ounces of it a day over a long period of time Eating it every day, yeah.
Speaker 2:Typically it's just like having something to bake in every day.
Speaker 1:They can't measure, so like having a hot dog.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh yeah, having that like here and there, whatever, oh, it's some sausage at this fucking restaurant, cool. I think, again, the stress of it is just more work, more concern. At the end of the day, I feel like most of us know what's good for us, right, and so it's just like stop stressing so much.
Speaker 1:Believe it or not Drink your.
Speaker 2:eat your fruits and vegetables. Don't stress so much.
Speaker 1:That's it that's the thing, though. I didn't grow up having a health education class. I was in a very conservative part of my area and we just didn't have a nutrition class. It wasn't part of the routine, it wasn't part of the schedule. Luckily, I had parents who were quite healthy and not in the eating disorder way. A nutrition class. It wasn't part of the routine, it wasn't part of the schedule. Luckily, I had parents who were quite healthy and not in the eating disorder way. So I still do. They're still here, still very healthy. So I even had that model. I knew what was good for me and what was right for me and everything. And I still gained a bunch of weight, you know. But like, yeah, in school we didn't have it. If it wasn't for my parents I wouldn't have known anything. School didn't teach us. Did you get that in yours, new York?
Speaker 2:I don't think we got much at least in like high school or anything like that. I don't remember. Yeah, I don't remember too much. You know what I do here. It seems like every night around midnightley wakes up. I don't know what it is. It's like always around midnight.
Speaker 1:Sometimes she goes back to sleep and sometimes she doesn't well, she knows that it's about to be a drop of the in moderation podcast yeah, she's like, hey, wrap it up, guys.
Speaker 2:Jesus, get the. I'm freaking out. Maybe she's having nightmares, I don't know, probably have to go check in with her. But yeah, yeah, um, you know, fucking, yeah, hiirahachi boo, whatever. Look up how to pronounce it. Then pronounce it, then don't strike and fucking don't be your worst yeah, uh, it's.
Speaker 1:if you're looking to do this, understand that it's not going to be like a quick thing where you just flip a switch and you're good to go. Weight loss should not be the main attraction. It should be a side effect of changing your life. Yeah, yeah, it's. If you're just looking to get smaller, you're missing the one organ that changed it all. That was your brain. So don't take a neck down approach on this thing.
Speaker 1:Real quick, before we go, I just want to give a quick shout out to Rob, who makes the show run, puts it up every week, does all that fantastic editing and levels and stuff and handles. I have no idea how to do. I know how to do it and I don't like it, so that's why I don't do it, and I come on your podcast more than I make my own. So shout out to Rob, who is not only doing that, but helps everybody in his life, and not only us, but helps many people online. Spreads truth, spreads kindness All around. Fantastic guy. Shout out to Rob. I hope you're doing well in seed oil remedial school. We love you.
Speaker 2:And he's doing it all from Valhalla, which is insane.
Speaker 1:Absolutely insane. Love you, buddy, be kind to yourself. Do I have to whip it out? Okay, I need to go check, go check.
