In Moderation
Providing health, nutrition and fitness advice in moderate amounts to help you live your best life.
Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
In Moderation
Tank Tolman From Viking Cosplay to Real-World Fitness
What if your workout felt like a quest instead of a chore? We sit down with creator and coach Tank Tolman to explore how fantasy, play, and small consistent steps can transform the way we approach health. From a childhood stacked with sports to a focused MMA chapter and a later ADHD diagnosis, Tank breaks down why brains like novelty, why light and playful sparring beats bravado, and how cosplay and storytelling can lower the barrier to entry for beginners who’ve never felt welcome in fitness spaces.
We dig into the core idea of a “hard why”—the deeply personal reason that outlasts motivation and outshines scale-only goals. Tank shares how he helps first‑timers start at home with simple bodyweight moves and low-equipment circuits, then layers in gamification: daily quests, streaks, and narrative framing that turns movement into something you want to return to. Along the way, we talk Dragon Ball gravity training, weighted vests, and why going from 30% to 70% healthy is often just a handful of easy swaps and short walks—no extreme protocols required. The summit can wait; most of the view shows up halfway up the mountain.
There’s more: community over isolation, joy over perfection, and the power of embracing “cringe” as visible happiness. Tank’s world blends bladesmiths, prop makers, and makers who need a boost, showing how creativity and kindness can lift an entire ecosystem. If you’ve ever felt shut out by toxic gym culture or burned by all‑or‑nothing plans, this conversation offers a friendlier map: start small, make it fun, and keep showing up. Subscribe, share this with a friend who needs an easier on‑ramp, and leave a review with your “hard why”—we’ll read our favorites on the show.
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SPEAKER_02:I'm gonna start off with that. Hey everybody, welcome to the podcast where I'm currently complaining about this chair that is the most uncomfortable thing I've ever I am at an Airbnb, and it feels like I am I am sitting on that raft from Titanic, like a small version of that, like at the end where there's just like driftwood.
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SPEAKER_02:I know. Did you watch the Mythbusters about that where they're like, oh, they totally could have fit on there? You see that?
SPEAKER_00:I probably have, but it's I remember watching that.
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SPEAKER_02:So they tested, they put two people on there, they were floating on there, and like they were like, No, it's the buoyancy, it's not the size, it's about I don't know, Boyle's law or whatever. Like, that's that's fine.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I think we've all agreed that Rose is just a bitch.
SPEAKER_02:That's the moral historian.
SPEAKER_03:Threw that crystal away instead of like selling it and donating it to the city.
SPEAKER_02:Three hours and 40 minutes long, and like the entire it just boils down to she just being a bitch who letting him die in the cold water.
SPEAKER_00:But today we have on Tank Tolman. Finally, finally, we got him in here. Well, how's it going?
SPEAKER_03:It's going good, quite busy, but it's a life we chose. Almost as almost as majestic of a beard as mine. Almost. People keep telling me I need to braid it, but like for me, this is the perfect length where I can maintain it and like not have to do anything crazy extra to it.
SPEAKER_02:But yeah, and both of you are almost as nice as my soul patch. Like just a little ways off. You're getting there though. I'll give you a little bit longer, you'll be fine. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we'll we'll get there. We'll be on your level someday, Liam.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, milk mustache. I just made um apples and uh uh coffee, frozen apples, and blend it with like cold brew coffee. It's actually really nice.
SPEAKER_03:Interesting.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, yeah, I got tagged in this this video a couple times. I have to take my shirt off again. So, you know, it's like one of those ones where he just does it without shirt. So I'm like, oh, I have to do it without a shirt. Just threw that on.
SPEAKER_00:Well, yeah, and then that's how it works, right?
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, and then I just threw on my wife's sweater right now. It's the comfiest thing ever. Oh my goodness. But anyway, Tank, how you doing?
SPEAKER_03:Doing good. Yeah, we're we're enjoying the fall, crisp weather. We went to the pumpkin patch yesterday, got a whole bunch of pumpkins, and fully embraced the season.
SPEAKER_02:So, Tank, I hear you've worked out like once or twice in your life.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Is that true? That is true. My sources were correct.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's uh been uh quite the constant in my life, whether it was like as a kid, uh so I just recently got diagnosed with ADHD, and it just kind of like put the puzzle in or put last puzzle piece in. Uh like as a kid, I played a whole bunch of sports, and I think that was like the physical manifestation of ADHD. Like I played lacrosse and track and field and soccer and swimming and basketball and football, and high school is like wrestling, rugby, and football, and that helped to keep you.
SPEAKER_00:So your brain was just going along, ooh, fancy sport. Ooh, fancy sports, fancy sport.
SPEAKER_03:Of course it did. Uh definitely helped manage the ADHD in a physical form. And then out of high school, I got into mixed martial arts. Like in high school, I've always been a bigger kid, big kid, big guy. In high school, I was close to like 300 pounds. A big football lineman, wrestler, rugby.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, you played line? What position? Left guard, right guard?
SPEAKER_03:Uh yeah, right guard, right tackle in the middle of everything, never stepped off the field. Nice tank, you're staying right here.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, you that guy over there, you make sure he stays over there. That's your job.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. And uh, but yeah, then out of high school, uh, actually, my quarterback got into kickboxing in Muay Thai, and he was like, Hey, Tank, you should come try. I'm like, Cool, this is fun. And then with MMA, it's like the manifestation of ADHD because you can do striking, you can do grappling, you can do like jujitsu holds or takedowns, takedown defense, and you're always learning. There's always something new. And I got down to like 205 pounds and then started competing at middleweight at 185 pounds, had a fun little streak of seven and one as an amateur and two and one as a pro. Then I got married and had kids, and then realized you can't and then life was over. Yeah, no, the new adventure began. Yeah, the new adventure began. Uh, because you can't support your family as a beginner fighter salary.
SPEAKER_00:And typically the wife doesn't like you getting punched in the head, right? No, no, like I I actually thoughts on CTE, good, bad, fun?
SPEAKER_03:Well, of course it's bad. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_02:Just chat, I'm just making sure. We make sure we're on the same page here.
SPEAKER_03:Definitely cognizant of it um as like in high school football helmets and jarring and then getting into MMA. Like when I go to the gym to do like martial arts now, if I go sparring, it's it's light and it's playful. If someone's trying to take my head off, I'm like, uh, you can just go over there. I'm a big dude, and if I tried to reciprocate that, that wouldn't be good for either of us.
SPEAKER_02:Do you find the mental uh side of uh martial arts helps with like the ADHD and whatnot? Because I've always found like I'd like to be high. And the physical aspect of it is fun, it's like a good workout and everything, but you know, the mental side of it is just kind of uh almost it's funny. You have you get some clarity while also being while also you know fighting, which is interesting but fun at the same time.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, that's like with any like martial art, it's not just like you're going to do a set of 10 reps of bench press, you can turn your brain off mostly. Uh no, you're constantly reacting. Like if someone's holding pads for you, you it's like switching out combinations, it's never gonna be the same. You gotta gauge distance and focus on technique, and yeah, so it's a really good brain workout as well as physical. Like, I think they've done studies with like Parkinson's patients just doing boxing and it helps rewire neural pathways, and so yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because I know you like to have fun with the exercise as well, right? Like, I've seen you like incorporate like your kids into it or whatever and have some fun. Like, what's I don't know, what's your stance on like exercise? How do you keep it like light and fun and all that?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, uh funny story. So I was like your typical uh personal trainer that would like try and post workouts and like the hardcore grind mentality, and then this whole social media journey has been a weird way of me uh knocking down um emotional barriers, I would say. It helped me open up. Um, so it's like I got introduced to a whole community of nerds that I didn't know existed, like I was a closeted nerd in high school because it was still kind of that stigmatized time.
SPEAKER_02:How old are you? I don't know if you don't know. 35. Okay. Yeah. See, I mean I'm 30, I'm about to turn 34, like a few days. So we're like basically the same age there. I felt like when we were that age, it was like becoming more popular. Like it was getting, you know, it was kind of getting there. Yeah. In high school, people were like, oh, because like, oh, computers are cool now. Like they can do things. We can do it. We were just getting stuck.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. It was right when World of Warcraft was starting to come, which broke down a lot. But yeah, like breaking down those barriers and kind of like approaching it more from a fun aspect and realizing that this like our whole community of like fantasy-based nerds, like the people that want to train to become like Aragon or like the Vikings, they were like underserved in our little fitness space. Like, if they didn't have access to like SCA or HEMA or Boo Hertz, all these like cool historical martial arts, they didn't have kind of an outlet for fitness that kind of meh um gave them a direction. So like in the early pandemic days when everything was shut down, I was like, this is fun. I've I like I trained in uh like CrossFit and MMA and did some bodybuilding and some powerlifting and some odd object object training, and I'm like, we can build fun, uh approachable exercise for fellow nerds that can do it at home with little to no equipment. So it's like bodyweight workouts where you're like dodging arrows or doing push-ups or um that type of thing, or sandbag workouts, or hammer workouts where people could just go get a sledgehammer and have fun and button.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, because the workouts in the past for nerds was just like uh hide in locker, get punched in stomach, get used to that, and then get lunch money taken. That was like the workout, right?
SPEAKER_03:Oh, don't forget the swirly.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, the swirly. You just dunk your head in this water to get prepared.
SPEAKER_03:Or even like people had the superhero motivation, like that niche of nerds, and then like the anime nerds had like the Dragon Ball Z motivation to like try and go that route. But it was like our that like the fantasy nerds didn't quite have a route where they could approach fitness in a fun way and like make it approachable. So I was like, I can I can do that, I can do that.
SPEAKER_02:Speaking of the Dragon Ball Z like genre, I remember I did a video talking about like weighted vests, and uh like weighted vests can actually help people, not just like you know, in terms of like uh just straight exercise, but lose weight, it has to do with like the receptors in your body that sense weight, and if you put more weight on you, it can actually help you like regulate your appetite in a certain way, possibly. Like there's still like ongoing research and whatnot. Uh, so you know, like all you need is well, I think it was like 10 or 20 percent of your body weight, not like anything super crazy. Uh, and everyone was talking, I did a video on everyone's talking about oh, that's Goku training.
SPEAKER_03:That's Dragon Ball training the gravity training that they had in like that simulator where they make it like super heavy, like you're training them. That's all we need.
SPEAKER_02:We need Goku, we need Dragon Ball C training. We're all set.
SPEAKER_03:But yeah, that's that's kind of like my little journey with this, and then like as you guys know, it's not as simple as just giving someone a workout plan and like say you just need to cut your calories, like it's just calories in, calories out. It's like there is a huge mental, emotional, and social factor that goes into encouraging people to um start their journey and stay on it. So that's kind of like where I saw people like Quincy's Tavern um with his wholesome point of view content and um like uh Smoking Barrel Tavern, these cool like fantasy uh DD pages where they would give like emotional uplifting messages, and I'm like, I can do that, but frame it in a way where I'm like trying to motivate someone who's trying to get into like the training grounds and this fictional Viking shit, but we're trying to um pick up someone as they're like trying to doom scroll or that type of thing. So it's like by putting on a costume and putting on an accent, for some reason it reaches people more than just like if it was just talking face to face, it kind of removed a weird barrier for people to receive motivation or empathy or care or love or whatever they're looking for.
SPEAKER_00:It was if this guy can be himself on screen, I can be myself. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Do you think would you recommend that's where people start? Like a costume and a voice, or like where do they start with that? Like start anywhere?
SPEAKER_03:No, I like it's this like I said, this has been a weird journey.
SPEAKER_00:There's no roadmap to be like first, you have to go hunt yourself a wolf and then skin it so that you can make a nice force.
SPEAKER_02:I'd start with a weighted vest. That's where I'd start just throwing it out.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, but being a like even a content creator, there's no like roadmap. Like a lot of us are like pioneering our own kind of way of doing it, and you kind of have to in a way. And it's weird because like I could tell someone, and I've seen people um like try and do what I do, and it's like it it doesn't hit the same. I don't know why. Like, it's just like well, that's with any content, right? I know.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, with any literally anybody, there's people that lots of different people will try and do it, and for whatever reason the pieces aren't there or just they're not in the right order, or whatever it is, it just doesn't connect with the audience, you know.
SPEAKER_03:And like you can fake it till you make it and find your own way to do it, which is probably the best way I could tell someone if they're like wanting to do it, is yeah, absolutely copy it, and people might put you on blast for copying it, but it's like you won't find what works until you do. You have to weed out and just keep going with it.
SPEAKER_02:And I think a lot of it comes down to just also again what you're passionate about. I see a lot of people try and make content around something that is maybe popular because they'll get them views or whatever, but they're not passionate about it, and people can pick up on that. So you gotta do something that you just really enjoy. And if you really like gravity training or whatever it is, or training like a Viking, I think people will sense that and go, like, hey, that's cool. And you're gonna get a lot, I'm sure you get a lot of hate too. We all get hate. Like, not if there's not one of us on social media that everyone's like, we all love you. No, you know, there's gotta be people that hate you and think it's weird or cringe or whatever it is. Like, oh, I like that.
SPEAKER_00:I think out of all the people that I see get hate though, it it's a lot of tanks haters are the ones that boggle my mind the most.
SPEAKER_03:Well, like they'll see a random video and they'll just see like this cost, like uh one of my like I invite people on the ship, I'll like find people doing cool stuff if and bring them onto my fictional ship. And um, a lot of those go viral, but then I cultivate the community by like motive motivating people to like get on the ship or like encourage them to better themselves, but they'll just see the viral clip and just be like, oh, this grown man is like it's a grown ass man dressing up as a Viking, like cringe. Like, but then my favorite comments or messages I get is when they're like, I used to hate what you did, and then you showed up in the middle of the night when I was doom scrolling, and then I understood why. So it's like those are my favorite comments for all the hate comments. Like you'll get one hater, but then there's like 10 other people cheering you on, or even just like people behind the scenes that need your content but don't comment. Like I've got DMs from people saying, Hey, I don't like to interact, but thank you for your message this time. Thanks for talking me off the ledge. You that type of thing are just like priceless.
SPEAKER_00:Is the how toxically masculine gym culture can be. And the fact that you have people that are when did that become a thing?
SPEAKER_02:Is that new?
SPEAKER_00:It's okay, Leon. It's okay.
SPEAKER_02:I'm new as well.
SPEAKER_00:We know that you're over there in your pink sweat, pink curly sweater. It's so cozy.
SPEAKER_02:It's the comfiest goddamn thing I've ever worn. It feels, I don't know, it feels like I'm wearing a cloud. It's so nice.
SPEAKER_00:But like you have all these people, you're getting people into the gym just because they're associating it with fantasy and anime and all these things. You have these gym bros that are like making fun of them. For getting in the frickin' gym.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Yeah. There a lot of people they either forget their transformation or their journey once they feel like they've hit it or they've like hit their goal.
SPEAKER_02:I think they took a specific route and they think other people should take that route. I think that's like a lot of it, you know.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you gotta take the hate myself route. Yeah, uh, hate myself, gotta wake up at 4 a.m. and do like 75 hard and blah blah blah blah blah. It's like, no, do 300 ice toga water. Cozy inconsistent. Yeah. Don't do 75 hard, do 365 moderately good, and you will end up way farther than these toxic gym bros that just like preach like hardcore rigid lines.
SPEAKER_02:But kind of like how we were talking about uh with like the nerds, right? Or when we were like in high school or whatever, and it was like becoming more socially acceptable. I think we're like we're in that state now just for fitness, where you know, oh, is it like 90s, 2000s? Yeah, it was all just like get in there, be a fucking man, do this shit and get out or whatever it is. And now we're starting to get more people who are like, hey, try this way of exercising, try that. And there's gonna be pushback with anything, right? Like it was like when women started running and everyone's like, what their fucking uterus is gonna fall out of their body. They can't run. That was a real thing, by the way. I'm not making that up. I really thought that was gonna happen. And so then it's like, you know, there's pushback. No matter how what it is or how dumb it is, there's gonna be pushback, and we're in that state right now where you kind of just have to keep pushing. And like you said, you will find your group of people who enjoy your content if if they're out there, right? Like more people find that. You'll find your haters, but you'll find more people who are like, yes, I like that. That's what's gonna get me interested, dressing up as like Master Chief from like a man, I want a Master Chief outfit so bad. Like those things that look like they cost a lot of money, but it's so fucking when they do them right, it's badass as fuck.
SPEAKER_00:If you don't know Master Chief is like, he'll uh he'll he'll 3D print you one.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I want a Master.
SPEAKER_03:I know a few that's been a one like really fun side effect of like either inviting people on the ship or I do another series where I like fetch the treasury for really cool items, is being able to make friends with like people that make really cool stuff or do really cool things. So I've got like hopefully this won't get banned on platforms, but I have to show it off. Banned and my earphones came out. Yeah. Oh well, he can't hear us. Quick, make fun of him. Yeah, I should like nerd. A few a few Christmases ago, I did a whole fetch of treasury for this one guy, and then my wife reached out and like got this like really cool blade?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, Damascus from something specific. For those listening, we are looking at a very, very nice knife.
SPEAKER_03:Colton Orias or Barbell Blacksmith, you should check him out. So hand forged Damascus Steel Blade is insanely sharp, but no, it's not like from a certain series or anything, but just like it's a in my fighter blade, which is intimidating. So when I go on trips and stuff, my wife puts that but on her bedside table and for security. But yeah, it it was a cool side effect, is being like being friends with these people, and um like they get especially the bladesmiths, they get hit hard by the algorithm because it's a dangerous thing. Right, it's promoting a dangerous thing like a sword or a knife. So sometimes when uh some of those friends are getting like hit hard, they'll be like, Hey Tank, I just made this really cool thing. Would you mind I'm like put it to a fantasy thing and I'll react to it and it'll go and it'll just like fetch the treasury. Yeah, fetch the treasury, and it'll boost their business, they'll get a few orders and they get to keep the lights on, which has been really cool.
SPEAKER_02:That's really neat.
SPEAKER_03:But yeah, I know a bunch of prop makers that could probably print you in this.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I want there's so many things now. I I want to get into like the cosplay and stuff. Do you have a favorite like one you do? Is there like a specific do you like the Viking thing or is there a different thing? Like what is it that you can do? Oh, totally.
SPEAKER_03:I've been I've been niched hard into the the Viking fantasy. So I do have like a full set of like leather armor with like etched in steel plate that I wear for like if you weren't niche into that, what would you be doing?
SPEAKER_02:If you couldn't do the Viking thing, what would you be doing?
SPEAKER_03:Uh I really like Star Wars.
SPEAKER_02:Tinkerbell?
SPEAKER_03:Oh, Star Wars. Star Wars is like another big one that I really like. Um if it's outside of like Lord of the Rings or Vikings. So yeah. I've got some like cool lightsabers and stuff too.
SPEAKER_00:It's so hard to get into cosplay stuff when you have a beard, because no characters ever have beards. Yes.
SPEAKER_02:I was gonna say, like, you're kind of with that, you kind of have to go the Viking or at least something similar to the.
SPEAKER_00:Like, I I also was like, you know, it'd be cool to get into cosplay, but no character has a beard.
SPEAKER_03:And it like puffs out your mask, you'd like trying to do that.
SPEAKER_02:And that's why I can only do Prince Charming once, because I'm just so goddamn handsome. There's just nothing else I can do. It's really the worst.
SPEAKER_03:It's it's terrible.
SPEAKER_02:It's a burden, but I wear it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. But no, totally happy with like I I would I've loved fantasy and Lord of the Rings and stuff when I was a kid, like we saw them in the theater, so it it molded into what I wanted anyway. So, but like I've thought about bringing like the tank character into like Fallout or like Star Wars or post-apocalyptic, and like try and like you know what we need to do with it?
SPEAKER_00:We need to do Monster Hunter.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I've heard Hunter. I've heard they swing big hammers in that one, so I get tagged.
SPEAKER_00:Big hammers, big awesome armor. Yeah, it's great. We need to do it.
SPEAKER_02:I have to beard. But people keep saying it's yeah, people say it's really cool. I gotta try that out.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, uh the list of like video games people say I should try is too long for the time that I have to dedicate to it.
SPEAKER_02:What's the one you really want to get to that you're like, okay, I really want to get to this one, but I just haven't been able to because it costs too much, or it's like, you know, it's too difficult, or whatever it is.
SPEAKER_03:Probably Expedition 33, I think declared game I've heard is really good. Um my god, yes. That's probably the big one, that's like recent. I have a lot of people tell me I should jump back into like World of Warcraft because it's like cozy gaming, but I don't know if I can open up that can of worms again. I get that.
SPEAKER_00:I could never do an MMO again. They they suck my soul.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, suck your soul and your time. And like I just launched like one-on-one coaching, and it was like, okay, yeah, the the spare time I thought I had is now gone for a little bit.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:But it's a good problem to have.
SPEAKER_02:When you're working with people, like so now you're doing like coaching. Um, are you finding people just really receptive receptive to what you're doing, but don't know where to start? Is that kind of the main problem? Or what are they what are they struggling with and like you trying to have to help them out with?
SPEAKER_03:I would say a lot of the majority of people that have like uh inquired about signing up are those people that uh it's they're either their first step into fitness or it didn't serve them before. So they're looking for a different approach, right? So like either it was too hardcore for them or it demanded too much of their time or made them too sore, or they just were intimidated to go to the gym to begin with. Um, those type of like fellow nerds that were like intimidated by it.
SPEAKER_02:So um what do you do with them to like try and get them past that? Like, what are the things that you're like, well, you know, maybe try this.
SPEAKER_03:Uh usually starting with an option at home with like simple bodyweight stuff, depending on especially if they're overweight or carrying too much, and just like you you want to remove as many boundaries as you can while encouraging them to uh start making good habits and good um good choices. So you want to remove uh especially like mental and emotional blocks first, I find are the the biggest things you have to deal with.
SPEAKER_02:Do you what do you find with them, or do you find anything, I guess I should ask, that like helps them continue with the journey? Because I think like most people can kind of start with it, right? Most people see a thing like, okay, I'll try that. But sticking with it is always the toughest part. Like that's what we get that all the time, right? Like, I have trouble sticking to it. Do you find when you're working with people there's something that helps them kind of like stick to it and continue on?
SPEAKER_03:Well, with like with like most things, you have to have a definitive like why. If it's just like I want to lose 10 pounds because I want to look really good, that's not a hard why. It's like what does that losing 1020 or gaining that 1020 pounds of muscle, what does that unlock in life's adventures for you? Like, will that give you the ability to play with your kids or grandkids or go on hikes, or be like I always wanted to go paddleboarding or canoeing, but I felt like I would tip over because I'm too heavy, or just like I don't have the balance or coordination, or if someone has a disability like arthritis, they never had a route to go uh with fitness because that's a pretty big physical barrier for people, depending on the severity of it. Um, you want like my my whole philosophy is fitness and health should unlock life. So you have to find out right.
SPEAKER_02:Fitness shouldn't be the reason well, I guess it can be the reason that you exist. Like some people for them, that's just what it is. But I think for most people, right, that's not that's that's not really the way to go.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, exactly. So it's it's all about unlocking life's adventures, like the a fun quest. Like, what does the end of the quest reward bring for you?
SPEAKER_00:That please tell me that you give your uh your clients this little parchment with a quest with your little quest steps.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, the platform I'm I'm working with has had has been really awesome too, like because they're like we've never had someone like you. It's like this quest giver and like RPG element of like bringing in fun exercises.
SPEAKER_00:So I'm like, I'm trying to is your photo on the website you with an exclamation mark above your head?
SPEAKER_03:The quest giver.
SPEAKER_02:That's a good that's a good one. I like that idea.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Uh but it's like, yeah, I'm trying to like work with them to reformat some of the stuff even within their programming to like think about like world.
SPEAKER_02:You talk about World of Warcraft, right? Like people would play that for like 18 hours a day because there was just those quests you had to complete. If you can just get a modicum, you can get just a small percentage of that and apply it to like real life with you know, exercising, moving your body, that sort of stuff. That has a lot of potential right there. I think people would get more addicted to that, which is maybe a better thing to get addicted to.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah. Like they they have things like have daily habits, and I'm like, can we just change like habits to like daily quests? And just like that's fun.
SPEAKER_02:Like a small thing, right? That's a simple, yeah, that's a simple thing. But like it's a fun thing, right?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:I think that's a really good idea.
SPEAKER_03:I'll get them to do it. I'll get them to do it.
SPEAKER_02:Like, oh, I remember I think I might have talked about this before, but there's like a company that does um these challenges where like you have to walk to Mordor or whatever, right? Like there's a distance and you have it on your phone, GPS, and like you have to walk a certain amount of distance to to get to like you know, whatever the achievement is for like whatever movie or video game or like that you've traveled that far. And I think if something's just as simple as that can make it more fun, like look at fucking what was it, Pokemon Go. You remember that shit. Like, people all over the place. Like, get a small a little bit of that, you know, and you know, I think you could go real far with that.
SPEAKER_03:Gamifying it instead of like making it a chore, I think, is huge.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, how do we definitely need more gamification of fitness? Of life in general.
SPEAKER_02:That yeah, but right, yeah, for in general, but like fitness has a lot of potential in gamifying it, right?
SPEAKER_03:So that's been like my approach. Like when I would do like these 30 to 60 second like circuit videos, and that's when I first saw like my surge of growth on social media, was like the pandemic. I would like pretend I had a sword and like hit the camera and then go right into like uh a circuit workout with like either a hammer or a single dumbbell, and I would like I would narrate it in a way like you're doing these squats, so you have legs built of oak to stand strong in the shield wall, and then the the push-ups would be like you need a strong chest to be able to push back on that front line, and I would like kind of narrate it and make it fun as I'm going through this video.
SPEAKER_02:I think that's a really good idea. I like that, and like you know, was it fallout? I remember Scotty Kay Fitness doing something recently with like strength and dexterity and like all that sort of stuff. I think that's you could also do something like that. It'd be really fun. I like it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so now I'm just like trying to like because I have a I figured out I had ADHD. So I was like, I have all these really cool ideas to like formulate it, but then like making it fun and accessible that people could like open up an app on their phone and just have it familiar or yeah, so it's been fun.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's a good challenge, but like it's funny because your challenge is creating challenges, which is a little ironic, but I think it's fun.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so like people come to me to have fun and like take that first step. Like, yeah, I can help someone like a power lifter try and get like a 500-pound deadlift, but the majority of these people are just like fellow nerds that just want to feel better, and so so find your hard why.
SPEAKER_02:You can have the so the soft whys are always good, right? Like, oh, I want to lose this much weight or you know, this or that. Like, I think that's always good to have those, but like find your hard why and yeah, make it a challenge and have fun with it. I think those are probably like the two things that will help people at least get further than they'd normally do when they. They try and they're just like, Oh, I just want to be healthy or whatever, you know, that sort of thing.
SPEAKER_03:We all know like being healthy is good. Right. You just have to like find out why.
SPEAKER_00:Why is it? Finding your hard why is kind of like building your character story. Your back. If your story is my character went on to lose 10 pounds, that's a shit story. I mean, yeah, it's a nice, it's a nice goal, but it doesn't make for a story.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, it's no oof. That's my character I've been playing. This elite intelligence barbarian who talks in third person. Oof is just pissed off right now. Oof, that was oofs. Like, I don't know. Like, I love I love doing like that sort of thing.
SPEAKER_00:I love when you rolled two critical ones.
SPEAKER_02:I two rolled two. Yeah, I rolled two dice and they were both ones, and I was like, that's the grape. That that is very oof. That's very oof.
SPEAKER_03:That was so oof. Sometimes those like failures tell a way better story than like a critical 20. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:It's much funnier. It's much funnier. I'll tell you that.
SPEAKER_00:It's something I keep trying to tell people when they play Baldur's Gate 3. Try not to scum. Random segue, I know, is they always try to like play the perfect game. And I'm like, you're missing out on so much content trying to play the perfect game. Like they they put in so much stuff if you fail.
SPEAKER_02:I I totally agree. And like I've played, I've been playing some games, like some co-op games with my wife. And like in these games, you have to like collect you go along and you try and complete like a level, right? And you have to like you're supposed to collect all five of these things. And if you don't, you still complete the level or whatever. And she's kind of on the like, I we need all five of those things. If we don't get those, we go back and we get it again. And I'm more just like, ah, we got through it. It's fine. We had fun, whatever. If we get it, it's cool. And I think kind of just like when you play video games or even in and in life, you can have this completionist idea where you're like, I have to get everything, I have to do it right perfectly. I need all the achievements. I need all the achievements. And I'm like, fuck that. That sounds exhaust. That turned it from a game to work. Now it's work. Now it's a lot of fun.
SPEAKER_03:You're losing sight of the journey you made to get those achievements if you're focusing on the achievements too much.
SPEAKER_01:Right. Yeah, have fun with it. Like it's just it's not that it's as Scotty would say, it's not that serious. It's not that serious. It's not that serious. No. It's not that serious. And fuck V Shrimp. But it's not that serious.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03:My brother would say, uh, we're not whatever. It was like you can't take life too seriously because we're not getting out of it anyway.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I totally agree. But um, yeah. Speak oh, speaking of rag is random segues, totally random segue. But did you guys know um I just found out that they are remaking the DeLorean?
SPEAKER_00:Like the movies are just a car. That is a random segue.
SPEAKER_02:That is a totally random.
SPEAKER_00:I feel like that was a random segue that you should have brought up when Mike was on.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, yeah. Well, I didn't know it then. I just found out about it. I just found out. Do you guys know they're this the the the DeLorean from back then?
SPEAKER_03:The manufacturer, they're they're making the cars. Oh, they're making the cars again.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I just found this out. And and okay, I needed to so like I was like, oh, I want one of these so bad. It's gonna be expensive. Guess how much it is? Guess how much the starting price for the DeLorean is.
SPEAKER_00:This is either gonna be surprisingly high or surprisingly weak.
SPEAKER_01:It's one of those. It's one of those. I'll tell you it's one of those. It's one of those. It's one of those. So you go higher, you go.
SPEAKER_03:I'm gonna go a hundred. That seems like a hundred thousand.
SPEAKER_00:Uh I'll go fifty.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. It is two hundred and fifty thousand dollars as the starting price. A quarter million dollars. I was like, well, never mind. I was gonna wait to nostalgia expensive. I'm I was so bummed. I cannot tell you the bumness that entered my body when I saw that. I was like, oh, well, never mind. I'm never getting it.
SPEAKER_00:Well, you can get a DeLorean or you can get a house.
SPEAKER_03:A small, small one-bedroom house.
SPEAKER_01:Our house was cheaper than like the house that we're selling right now and moving. That house was cheaper when we bought it, at least, than uh this new DeLorean. That's insane. Gosh.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, so I'm just sad about that. I thought of it and it made me sad, and now I'm now everyone else has to be sad because we all know we're not getting DeLoreans. It looks cool, but yeah, it's and I know it's for only for the ultra-rich.
SPEAKER_03:That's so dumb. Like, how how much were they today, like comparably when they came out way back? Like, could could this could a single household have one?
SPEAKER_02:It was definitely there's no way it was the equivalent of two of a quarter million dollars when it was released. They were expensive, but like you can get a DeLorean now, like an old an 80s one for like 40 grand, 50 grand, something like that.
SPEAKER_03:They gotta go the Ford Bronco route sort of thing. Like still make it affordable.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, there's no way that it's especially Canadians aren't gonna have eight million Canadian dollars to pay for it. Like, come on, right?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, whatever the conversion is. Eight million loonies.
SPEAKER_02:You with you with your monopoly money, I don't know what that fucking costs.
SPEAKER_03:Hey, our money doesn't deteriorate and it's very pretty.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, it's very pretty. I'm not saying, you know, I'm not saying it's not, but like here in America, you're like, oh, you know, you talk about the greens or trees or grass or whatever. Like, what are you what's your slang for money in Canada? Like, do you have like rainbows? Like, I don't have that many rainbows.
SPEAKER_03:Our coins are the funny ones. It's like loonies and tunies. We have a single single dollar.
SPEAKER_02:You don't have anything for like dollar bills or anything like that? Not that I'm aware of.
SPEAKER_00:We don't have a dollar bill.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, well, I okay. I'm all right. Well, okay, well, like we have a hundred dollar bill and the Benjamin Franklin's on it, right? So we say Benjamin. So you don't have anything like that? I don't think I'm I've never been more disappointed in Canada than I am right in this exact model.
SPEAKER_03:We usually don't like what's the word? Celebrity, like make our politicians celebrities in the city.
SPEAKER_02:Who's on your money? Who's on your money?
SPEAKER_03:Do you know who's on your money, or is it just I know we have the queen of some prime ministers, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Just some people. There's just people on our money. We don't know who it is.
SPEAKER_00:See, the thing is the thing is here in Canada, we have this thing called e-transfer. We don't use money anymore.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, I can't I get like you know, money paper money is like phasing out, and I get it. We'll all have chips in our arms that we use to pay our for our DeLoreans in the future. Like, I get that, but for right now, there's still like paper currency.
SPEAKER_01:Like, I can't believe you don't even have like a slang for it or something.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I I can't believe you guys don't have e-transfer. So we have other things. We got like you have other things that you have to like pay for.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, well, it's there's fees, but you know, it's not I use Benbo people for a pizza or whatever, it's not that bad.
SPEAKER_03:No, it it's it's less capitalistic, I would say.
SPEAKER_02:I mean, right, well, well, listen, we're in America where capitalism is like 101 out of 100. Like, we're we're there, so like, of course, it's gonna be less capitalistic, but you know, I kind of expected it to be like, oh, we have this slang for like our dollar bills, well, our dollar coins, I'm sorry. We got loonies.
SPEAKER_03:We we need money satchels to carry our change around. We need to bring back more medieval things like money satchels or like I know cakes are making a comeback, which is awesome. That's cool.
SPEAKER_00:That is awesome.
SPEAKER_02:I like the coin, like the coins are badass. Like when you'd walk up to like the bar and you'd be like, Yeah, I need like uh cleaning for my horse and a room and you know a beer. Jink one fucking coin.
SPEAKER_00:I should have been wearing this the entire time since we have tank on.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. Like you throw a coin on there and boom, you're done. Like, that's I I wouldn't I'd be happy with that. I'd be happy if we come back with that.
SPEAKER_03:It like brings more interaction with transactions. Like, I I feel like even with like tipping culture where they show like the screen where it's like blue, they're like do you do you guys have tipping culture? Do you guys have tipping culture or is that just it's not as extreme, I would say, as well. Okay, you get a haircut.
SPEAKER_02:All right, well, you don't get a haircut, probably, but you know, somebody gets a haircut. Do they tip the barber?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Okay. But I would say like our servers aren't as dependent on tips to right.
SPEAKER_02:They get paid like a livable wage and not for you know Washingtons. I had to think, I had to think for who's on the dollar bell. It's like, wait a second, fuck, who's on the dollar bell?
SPEAKER_03:No, like I I feel like when we're moving as a society away from like taking away more and more of that like daily interaction. Like I saw, I think it was a post on social media where it's like this old lady always did the long way to do things just because she would go out to the bank and like talk to the teller, or go to the grocery store and talk to the workers, or like instead of like door dashing, or we're losing a lot of that. Yeah. And it it just kind of like it's like that adventure of life of not I'm that has to be articulated, but no, I totally see what you're saying.
SPEAKER_02:Like that has to be a reason we're experiencing more like loneliness and shit right now, right? Because you just like you wake up, you get on your computer, do my work, order food, just leave it at my door, please, so I don't have to talk to you. And then you eat it, and then that's it. Like you go to bed. And like, so I think like you were talking about with like the exercise and what, like, you know, just kind of uh giving some people like you know, like an achievement, you know. I think having like a community would just be like would it it helps a lot, it helps a lot. Like you look at the other cultures who are like living longer, they always have like a community, whereas ours is just you know, you get by on your own, like whatever. It's it's a little it's a little on it's a little sad. It's a little sad.
SPEAKER_03:It can be, but you can change that, my friends. Just start going on adventures, and apply for the ship. And apply for the ship, take the long way.
SPEAKER_02:Like, yeah, you had to you had to you had to poop overboard, which is what I'm assuming the poop deck was for. But like, you know, you had friends on there, and yes, you all had scurvy and your gums were bleeding, but you had friends whose gums were also bleeding, and that gave you a sense of community.
SPEAKER_00:Everyone was in the same boat, figuratively and literally.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, metaphorically and figuratively, we're all bleeding on the same boat of the same disease.
SPEAKER_03:Scurvy. Eat your vegetables and fruit.
SPEAKER_02:Yes, get bring some. I think what I think did I talk about this before, where it's like that's why uh uh British people kind of figured out that like bringing lemons on board helped them fight off scurvy. They didn't know why, but they just knew it did. And they other countries thought they were limes, so they started calling them limeys, and that's where like that came from, and that's why like you call British people limeys now, is it's because of like them bringing lemons on a ship. They were all laughing at them like idiots bringing in limes, like morons.
SPEAKER_03:They're eating something with fiber.
SPEAKER_02:We do that every day. What is vitamin C anyway? That's stupid. I just eat more of my RTAC.
SPEAKER_03:Oh no, I think it's like small changes people need, and it's like just eat the rainbow, eat eat some like contrasting color vegetables once in a while. You'll you'll you'll feel a little better.
SPEAKER_02:I think it's well, I mean, with nutrition, with fitness, with all of it, we tend to overcomplicate it. And it like it's hard for me to blame people because they're being fed that, right? From left to right, center, social media, from wherever, that like it is complicated and you have to follow these specific rules no matter what it is. And so I understand why people get totally frustrated with it. And those are the comments, the comments I like the most for me is just like you've you've made it so it was complicated, and now like it's simple, and I just follow these few rules, and then I'm feeling better. And like those are the best because I'm like, yeah, that's literally all it is to get like I mean you I feel like what do you think? Do you I feel like a lot of especially fitness but nutrition as well, it's directed towards people who are already, I don't know, 90% healthy and they want to make them 100% healthy, right? That last like 10%, right? They're working on trying to get them from there to there, which takes a lot of work. You're dialing in your supplements, you're fucking meditating and shit blood work every sort of like every week and monitoring.
SPEAKER_00:Well, blood work every week in Canada where it's free for us, but I mean in the US, they don't want to be able to do that. No loonies afford that. It doesn't cost you a single loony, it doesn't cost a single loony.
SPEAKER_03:Dang, that's well, even just like the monetary barrier, like a lot of people don't have the funds to so like they're trying to look at this extremely rigid plan that's being promoted by this ripped shirtless guy, and it's like, well, that's gonna cost this much. I don't have it. Uh it's already hard enough as is. It's like, no, just instead of eating French fries, air fry that potato or like just a small little thing.
SPEAKER_02:Like going from, I don't know, 30% healthy to like 70% healthy, that doesn't take a whole lot. You're going from never moving your body to moving it sometimes, to moving it a little bit more, you know, from eating no vegetables to eating one or two, like you know, it's these those small things are just so much easier. And I think people get caught up with that 90 to 100 healthy and thinking they have to do that, which is expensive and time consuming, whereas the other stuff is is is much, much easier.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, you don't have to climb the mountain tomorrow, just take one step up one day and then another step the next day, like and you will get there and just be consistent and you'll get yourself up that mountain.
SPEAKER_00:It's actually a really good metaphor because like the last 10% of that mountain is is the scramble, and that is a bitch to climb. And it's the coldest, and there's windows.
SPEAKER_03:80% up that mountain, you still get an amazing view. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:The view from that 70% of the mountain is better than 0% of the mountain.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I think it's tough to get people to realize that, but I think the sort of gamifying it like you're doing introduces people into that, right? That the the making it sort of a game let's helps people realize that it it's not that it's not that serious. It's not that serious. It's not that serious. Not that serious. Well, what do you have anything else you want to tell people? Make sure I don't want to like, because we're getting like close to hour. I want to make sure like what you you have things like I need to tell people this. They have to know. They must know. I'm working on my back. This is my costume.
SPEAKER_03:And they're this is like my second ever podcast, so I don't know how to start and finish or do like uh we we've done a hundred, but still don't know how to start or finish them.
SPEAKER_02:So listen, we're the only white people talking, white guys talking into a uh a recording right now. I'm pretty sure we're the only ones that talk about it.
SPEAKER_03:Hey, at least you're actually talking to someone and not setting up a podcast setup just to get clips of you talking to fake someone.
SPEAKER_02:That's the best. What do you have to backdrop? Like, let me put the Joe Rogan like curtains behind me so people think I'm on Joe Rogan.
SPEAKER_03:I am an expert talking to myself.
SPEAKER_02:Oh, I love those clips. I love those.
SPEAKER_03:Don't believe everything you see on social media, Mike.
SPEAKER_02:Okay, pretend you're on one of those right now. You got a clip. What do you tell? Yeah, you got the microphone, you know, the people are.
SPEAKER_03:We just said it. Like, we literally just said it. Like, small, consistent steps will get you up the mountain. You don't have to reach the top tomorrow. Or you don't even have to reach the top. You can be 50% up your mountain and have a perfectly happy, healthy life. You just have to like make the step. Like, just decide to do it.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, I've got an extremely important question for you because I it's been on my mind ever since you mentioned your thing would be Star Wars. Is Tank a Jedi or Sith? Because I'm sitting here and I'm looking at you and I'm like, you know, you would look badass in a dark cow with a red saber.
SPEAKER_03:It would be cool. Um I think for sure would be like a Jedi mentor, but probably not in the most rigid sense. He'd be like the a a Kane and Jarrus, if you know, if you've watched um what is it called? Rebels, the animated series. That's that's one of my favorites, but Kane and Jarus was like more of a loose mentor and not so rigid. Because uh, yeah, being too rigid sucks.
SPEAKER_02:I think you'd be teaching the like tiny Jedi's that are like two years old, three years old, that sort of stuff. That's what I think you'd be doing.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, either that or people said like the Vikings of the Star Wars are like the Mandalorians with like their tenants and stuff.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, that makes sense.
SPEAKER_03:But then again, they're too rigid too, so I would probably probably would just be like this wise old guy that's like an NPC who's like force sensitive and teaches people to be a good person. I told you I like Star Wars. I know I know a little bit, I'm not like hardcore, but I know a little bit. It's funny. I'm more Star Trek. I mean that's okay. And we don't we don't judge people.
SPEAKER_00:I do like how um like I I remember as a kid getting called a nerd was like the worst thing. And I mean there's still there's still some negative connotation there. It's more of a compliment. At the same time, yeah, it's it's more of a compliment now. People take it better, and there's a lot more culture around it, and there's groups of people that come together and embrace it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, like social media made the world smaller in a good way where you could find your communities like that. Like if you like I live in a very small conservative town, and for the like the longest time I enjoyed my anonymity because my videos wouldn't hit the profiles of like farmers or like rigid white. I won't get into it, but my demographic is not this town, so it's like it's good that I'm that the world got smaller and you can find your communities online. Embrace that you can be who you want to be, because there's other people out there that want to do it, and embrace the cringe. Don't don't shy because someone will call it cringe, because cringe just means you've unlocked your joy and happiness in life, and you don't care if people judge you for it or not.
SPEAKER_00:Just make somebody jealous of you.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, I heard that it's cringe until it works, and I like that. It's everything's cringe until it works.
SPEAKER_03:Yep. The people that say, Oh, you're cringe, will be the ones watching you the most.
SPEAKER_02:They have nothing going on in their life, so they just call other people cringe.
SPEAKER_03:It's it's that saying is like people like people that are more successful than you will never look down, or like what is it saying? I don't know. You probably know it.
SPEAKER_02:I know what you're trying to say though.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, yeah. It's like people that like no, I shouldn't say that either, because there are people in fitness that look down on them. But people that are going through their journey journey can see you following the same journey and they won't hit you down for it. At least I hope not.
SPEAKER_02:I think it's the people that have the least going on in their life that have the most to say.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, yeah.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. So we're just gonna deal with it. That's what it is.
SPEAKER_00:But speaking of cringe, the three of us need to play some Baldur's Gate 3 on Twitch.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah, Baldur's Gate 3.
SPEAKER_00:It will be cringe so bad how how bad we are.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, what are you talking about? Oh, get out of that shit. We're fucking experts at this game.
SPEAKER_03:We'll min-max everything. No, we'll we'll all just like roll up with like friggin' bards or something.
SPEAKER_00:Heck yeah. All bard party. No, no, two bards and an oof.
SPEAKER_02:I the oof. I was just gonna say I have to play the oof. So we're really into the oof. The oof's the best. This is the best character.
SPEAKER_00:Do you guys get into the bigger? We will make this happen, and then we'll get all our listeners to come in and watch us, either on Tink's channel or my channel. And you can collaborate channels now.
SPEAKER_03:You can like all be live and like mesh now.
SPEAKER_02:That'd be nice. And I'll be in my new house. I'll be in my new fucking house when we do it. Finally, I need to get out of there within this tiny little Airbnb where I can't stand up in the bathroom to post a video today where I was just like, oh, you know, I was eating something in the kitchen. I'm like, the kitchen's kind of small. Let me go to my another room that has more space, and then I'm just ducked down in the bathroom. Like, all right, this is perfect. I'm feeling great here. I'll actually be able to do that.
SPEAKER_03:If you can't fix it, feature it.
SPEAKER_01:But that's yeah, that's my life. That's pretty much the motto of my life. And I can't fix most of it. So there's a lot of features.
SPEAKER_03:Might as well feature it. If you can't laugh at yourself, you're missing the biggest thing.
SPEAKER_02:Holy shit. If someone can't laugh at themselves, I think that is the biggest red flag, and I will not like watch their content or engage or anything because that is just the absolute worst when someone's full on. Don't go full Steven Seagal. That's all I'm saying. Don't go full Seagull.
SPEAKER_00:You never go full Seagull.
SPEAKER_02:Never go full Seagull. You have to be able to you need at least some Jim Carrey. You need a little carry in you to be able to just laugh at yourself and have fun. That is true.
SPEAKER_03:But just have the self-awareness. Yes. Like just to be able to like look at yourself and be like, okay. To be like, it's not that serious.
SPEAKER_02:It's not exactly.
SPEAKER_01:It's not that fucking serious.
SPEAKER_03:I'm like, I'm dressing up like a Viking and And where can people find you dressing up like a Viking? Yeah. Everywhere, like TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube. They just go on it and you pop up, or do they have to like look your name up or something? Just thank Tolman everywhere. Yeah. I'll eventually find you in the middle of the night and tell you to go to bed. I have a deal with the Faye. People always ask, like, how did you time those videos? I'm like, I guess the Faye told like need needed that message right now. Like I I give them offerings so they find you when you need it.
SPEAKER_00:Real life magic.
SPEAKER_03:Real life magic.
SPEAKER_00:And with that, the episode ends.
