In Moderation
Providing health, nutrition and fitness advice in moderate amounts to help you live your best life.
Rob: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and fitness enthusiast. Rob has a background in exercise science and is passionate about helping others achieve their health and fitness goals. He brings a wealth of knowledge and expertise to the show, providing valuable insights on topics such as calories, metabolism, and weight loss.
Liam: Co-host of the podcast "In Moderation" and new father. Liam has a background in nutrition and is dedicated to promoting a balanced and sustainable approach to health and wellness. With his witty and sarcastic style, Liam adds a unique flavor to the show, making it both informative and entertaining.
In Moderation
From DeLoreans to Deadlifts: Why Honesty Beats Hype in Fitness
We riff on moving mishaps, DeLorean-level jokes, and gummy bear lore, then settle into honest talk about Olympia culture, steroid disclosure, sustainable training, and why therapy complements the gym. Humor lightens the load while we push back on rage-bait fitness and champion skill-building over perfection.
• statement furniture, moving chaos, and holiday flexes
• host intros, posting habits, and brand deal standards
• creatine gummies skepticism and dosing concerns
• DeLorean gag meets Back to the Future confession
• Olympia overview, divisions, ideals, and drug reality
• honesty about enhancements when selling supplements
• programs as scaffolding, personalization over copying
• calorie literacy and practical estimation skills
• living in the gray, missing sessions without spiraling
• sleep quirks, boundaries, and real health trade-offs
• sweeteners, tattoos, and running jokes as levity
• content shift from outrage to joy and utility
• people-pleasing, accountability, and seeking therapy
• community, smart friends, and kinder self-talk
Subscribe. Live long and prosper. Don’t be a dick—especially to yourself.
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So yesterday I posted on my story. I see Liam's already exhausted. We are three seconds in. This is fantastic.
SPEAKER_02:It starts with a yawn.
SPEAKER_00:It starts with a yawn.
SPEAKER_01:It's been a long day.
SPEAKER_00:Well, so uh first off, what have you been doing? What's what's your day been like?
SPEAKER_01:You're talking to Alex or are you talking to me? You oh why would I talk to the guests? Oh my goodness. Uh what have I been up to? Um, just everything. Just moving everything into this house. There's still just boxes and shit behind me that I'm like getting everything out of, and where does this go? And we're getting furniture in. We got a table that weighs, I don't know, 947 pounds, maybe. I mean, I mean, it they've delivered it and they're like, where do you want to put it? Can we can you bring it inside? They're like, we charge you if we bring it inside. I'm like, all right, we'll set it outside, and my brother and I will pick this shit up. And that thing, I was like, oh damn, I see why they charge. Because it it's a stone table. It's made out of stone, and it's just like it's stone and metal for the brace, and that's all it is. And it's it was so heavy getting that thing into here. And so I see why people pay others to move things. I might be at that stage because I also tried to move my little fake like fireplace, and I didn't take the drawers out of it first, which in hindsight wasn't the best idea considering there's glass windows in there, and it was just going the literally fireplace in it was like because we had to turn it to get it up the stairs, and it's just like falling, it's just slamming all over the place. The fact it didn't break is like an advertisement for that whatever fireplace, whatever company makes that fireplace, because that was I couldn't believe it didn't break.
SPEAKER_00:Anyway, that's you know did you buy lead placemats too? Like what you know they make tables out of other materials.
SPEAKER_01:No, I wanted I wanted something that looked cool, like a statement piece. And I thought about live wood, but I wanted this like it's a white stone table that almost looks kind of like marble. Like it's really it looks really nice, and it was a good price. Like it, I thought it would be way more than it was. So I was like, I'm gonna get this, and I I'm really happy with it. It extends, it extends out. You can make it longer, it's like however umpteen feet long, guys, guys, guys. Up up to umpteen feet long, guys. I have an idea because okay, in the room, like I'm kind of in like yeah, it's it's got vaulted ceilings, it's got vaulted ceilings in the main room when you come in. So they're they're really tall. I'm gonna get the biggest Christmas tree, like a fuck you Christmas tree. Like anyone who sees it is like, damn, my Christmas tree sucks. And I'm not gonna move it. I'm gonna pay someone else to move it. I'm just gonna get the fucking bell of the ball. No DeLorean. If I'm not getting a DeLorean, I'm getting the biggest fucking Christmas tree that anyone has ever seen. I'm decorating the shit out of it. It's gonna like sink half of like my city's electric bill is just gonna go to this Christmas tree. That's what I want.
SPEAKER_00:I want a statement piece of a Christmas tree. That's what I think. It won't be ChatGPT taking a gallon of water every time. It's gonna be.
SPEAKER_01:I will be competing with ChatGPT for who takes more water this Christmas tree or AI.
SPEAKER_00:Welcome to In Moderation, the show where we give you a moderate dose of info sarcasm, and you already know we're not approved. Why is it that I'm the one who always does this? I am Mike Prident, also known as Mike Needs a Plan on all of the social medias. I've been told I don't introduce myself enough. Obviously, we've got Liam. Um, when I put out a call for a guest on my stories, and I said, Who do you want to see on Inmoderation? We had a lot of people ask for Liam Leighton. And I had the honor. Wait a second. Wait a second. I had the honor of getting to inform them. Guess what? He's one of the hosts of Inmoderation, so he's on every episode. I've been on a few of them.
SPEAKER_02:I literally told Mike I was like, Liam, never post the podcast. I feel like people just don't know.
SPEAKER_01:Maybe that's what it is.
SPEAKER_02:I don't post stories.
SPEAKER_01:I literally don't post, I don't even what is a story? What are we supposed to post?
SPEAKER_05:I literally told Mike that I was like, never post anything on a story. Why don't you just post the podcast?
SPEAKER_01:I literally okay. I have a company I work with that they like to look to get me brand deals. So much of it's got just awful. I hate can I tell you I hate creatine gummies? I hate creatine gummies.
SPEAKER_05:I take creatine gummies.
SPEAKER_01:I don't, I listen, if you want to take them, it's cool.
SPEAKER_03:It's the only way I'm gonna remember to take it.
SPEAKER_01:I I get that, but for me, I'll just put my creatine next to some Albanese, which are the best gummies. If you tell me haribu is the best gummies, just please stop talking.
SPEAKER_05:Oh god, have you read the the hariboo um uh gummy review?
SPEAKER_01:I don't wait. Are you talking about no, the su are you talking about the sugar-free ones? Yeah. Okay, so well no, I'm not talking about those.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, but did you read the review?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, of course everyone knows of the sugar free ones.
SPEAKER_00:Before we get into this, this is at the Alex Allen on all of the social medias. That's we're speaking to we're talking to Alex Allen today. Let's talk about how gummy bears make us shit. Alex, take it away.
SPEAKER_05:You just need to you have you need to have someone do like a dramatic reading up there.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, the dramatic reads are really good because they're always like, I sat down for a test and boy was my butthole not really you remember it that vividly as Korean. Oh, I remember. Oh, I remember everyone's there's not everybody's once a corner you need to go listen to because sugar-free are they they're sugar alcohols, so they like ferment. And then if they ferment, if you eat enough of them, then yeah, they ferment in your you know, large intestine, glue colon, all that, whatever, and then you are up shit's Greek. So phrase. What we're yeah, so the the gummies, sweet creatine, I would just like to take eat some Albanese gummies and then just take my creatine. They offered like a creatine, I don't know what company it was, but they offered me like 10 grand to sell creatine gummies. I was like, no, get that shit out of here. Yeah, it's crazy. It was like$10,000,$12,000. I was like, uh-uh. I don't like creatine gummies. But anyway, my point was like the the you know, you have like a company uh that you work with, and they're like, Can you give us the analytics on your stories? I'm like, no, because I don't post to my stores.
SPEAKER_03:That's crazy. I'm like, the analytics are zero.
SPEAKER_01:People like I'm not the influencer that people like. I I talk, oh, I talked with I'm not gonna say what brand it is yet, because like you know, we're still working on this, but I talked with another brand today that I actually like, and they were like, yeah, we never talk with the actual like influencer, the person making it. They always just go through their their people or whatever, like that. And I'm like, no, no, no, no. If I'm gonna work with a brand, I want to talk with them, I want to tell them my idea, why it's funny, and why we should do it. And like, I don't want to be going like, oh, well, my people, just have my people tell you, like, fuck out of here.
SPEAKER_03:That's pretentious now.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:It's like to have no, I'm not.
SPEAKER_01:I definitely no, no, I think it's the opposite where you're just like, yeah, have my people do that. I'm like, no, no, no. I I want to be able to like talk with them and be like, hey, this is my plan for what I want to do and like what you guys think. And they're like, how many rail do you actually accept?
SPEAKER_05:I saw the bush beans one.
SPEAKER_01:I know I so the bushes be I'm trying to get them to sponsor me, but they only send me a boxer. They just send me a box.
SPEAKER_05:How dare they just send me free stuff?
SPEAKER_01:I'd want, I don't care.
SPEAKER_05:I remember you said you would take like a penny or something.
SPEAKER_01:If it was like, yeah, if it was ten dollars and they're like, make a video, then I'm sponsored by beans, and I would totally take that. But I would take ten dollars from bushes before I take ten thousand from some stupid creatine aspect that's diabolical.
SPEAKER_05:You have standards and I like it.
SPEAKER_01:I don't, I it's about I better like the brand. So, um, yeah, the but I so but I've taken I think three total since starting like three total brand deals.
SPEAKER_00:To those wondering why Liam hates creatine gummies, I'm going to assume one of the reasons is that they're chronically like not dosed properly. It seems like every time they're tested. I don't like on any brand, it seems like the dosage isn't I didn't even know that, but I'm not surprised.
SPEAKER_04:No, I was saying uh texted you separately, Mike.
SPEAKER_05:But I was like, uh Michael made a video about that where he was just complaining about creatine gummies forever, and I was trying to figure out why that sounded familiar, and I was like, ah yeah, that's why.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that makes sense. Like freaking it's it's just seems all shit. I don't like I don't like any of those like you can't like track how dosed it is. Yeah, I don't I don't like just take like a little a scoop, just take a scoop, put like I put it in some fucking glass like a human, and then I have some gummies. I have oh, I made a candy drawer. I got like airheads and like I guess I got other like healthier shit in there too, like you know, that dry roasted the mommy and stuff. But it's my nice little drawer. I grab like a little individual snack, might have some peanuts, might be some candy, whatever, and it's it's super awesome.
SPEAKER_05:It sounds like you're loving your new house, and I love it.
SPEAKER_01:I'm loving the new house, it's really nice, it's really nice.
SPEAKER_00:This is the first episode from the new house. You no longer look like you're in the room where they film ISIS B headings.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I last time I was in the Airbnb, and it's this big. The whole Airbnb is, but just from here to here. It's like there's no room.
SPEAKER_05:So like Oakley's sleeping, and I'm trying to like you've been on the road since the wedding.
SPEAKER_01:I oh my god.
SPEAKER_05:That's why I was like, I was mathing that in my brain.
SPEAKER_03:I was like, wait, you're still on the road is crazy.
SPEAKER_00:It's but it's the time we're recording this. It was a month ago at the wedding. We were all together there.
SPEAKER_01:And I flew back and I'm just packing stuff. I still have the pod. I still have the pod that got delivered here. I still got a few things in it, but like almost everything is out. We're getting there. We're getting there. That's where I'm at. Where are you guys at?
SPEAKER_05:I was telling Mike to text Michael and tell him to get on the podcast.
SPEAKER_01:Talking about higher-up wellness. Oh, yeah. I got to meet him at the Scotty's wedding, which was nice. Yep. Good to hang out with him.
SPEAKER_05:I was like, just hail Mary that one. How long did it take you to get on the podcast?
SPEAKER_00:I don't know if he'd I could text him. I don't know if he'll see it by the time it's over. Yeah. But um speaking of people who aren't here right now, Rob uh, Rob is not present, which is why I'm here. So uh sorry, everybody. Or uh you're welcome, everybody, who does like to hear when I'm on the podcast.
SPEAKER_05:You sound like you're on really frequently.
SPEAKER_00:I am on very frequently. Um really, it's it's anytime that somebody can't host, I'm here. Anytime that they don't have a guest, I am also here.
SPEAKER_05:You have a lot of availability and I like it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I it's it's just know it at night.
SPEAKER_01:I think pizza plan is available for our plan. Our pl no, our plan of getting a new DeLorean was because we not my god. Yes, we've we've after last week. After last week, we have decided. I I spoke about this last week on the podcast, we're gonna save up and we're gonna pitch in and we're gonna get a DeLorean.
SPEAKER_05:How much is a DeLorean?
SPEAKER_01:Well, depends. Yeah, which one are you talking about? The 1983 one used is about$40,000. But if you want a new one, because there's a new line of them, there's a new line, and every week I make someone guess because it's a recurring bit where we talk about the new DeLorean. Guess how much the new line of DeLoreans is the starting price.
SPEAKER_05:And this is like an actually recently made one.
SPEAKER_01:They're making it right now, currently, that's in production. It's gonna be available soon. It's an EV starting price. Where does it start?
SPEAKER_05:The other one's$40,000.
SPEAKER_01:Well, that's like a used one now, isn't it?$40,000 to$60,000.
SPEAKER_05:My Toxic Trade is still thinking that like a used one, like from that time, is gonna be more than a lot of people.
SPEAKER_01:I don't remember how much they started that. Probably more than that.
SPEAKER_05:I'm gonna say$80,000.
SPEAKER_01:Close. It's$250,000. Saying close is seems like the biggest gaslight. It is a quarter million of dollars for this.
SPEAKER_03:For a DeLorean for a new DeLorean. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_01:We're gonna be saving for the rest of our lives, but we're gonna be we're gonna get one. I was screaming at my car radio.
SPEAKER_05:I'll be so if you get one of those ones, I'll be disappointed in you. If you get the$40,000 one, less disappointed.
SPEAKER_01:Like to me, how much less disappointed? Because that's important.
SPEAKER_05:I'll be significantly less disappointed. Because two$200,000 on a car.
SPEAKER_01:$250,000.$250,000.
SPEAKER_05:Even worse. That you could buy many DeLoreans, like old DeLoreans for that price.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I can save children who need water.
SPEAKER_05:I'm sorry, you just went such a better route than I did. I was like, you could have a like a bunch of DeLoreans over your house, and you're like, I can save children. And I'm like, I'm an asshole. But there's a fly.
SPEAKER_00:Um do you know why he wants this car? Do you know?
SPEAKER_05:That's what I was about to say. I was about to say my problem is it gets worse. If you spend$250,000 for a car, for a joke, you don't even really care that much about driving, but you just want to be able to tell people you've never seen Back to the Future. It's all for a joke. It is a quarter million dollar joke. If you spend a house on that joke, then I would also be judging, I would be like, Well, how much are you actually making? I'd be like, you have to be very well off.
SPEAKER_01:I'm not making that quarter million dollars on Delorean.
SPEAKER_05:Like billionaires, even like millionaires could do that.
SPEAKER_01:But like Yeah, that's not me. No, no, I'm just gonna sell my house and just buy in a two-seater car. But Oakley, you gotta hear this joke, though. It's gonna be. Like, where do you live? Right there.
SPEAKER_05:Just tell me what year you want to go to.
SPEAKER_00:You've got a remote to your car that opens the doors automatically.
SPEAKER_05:Oh my god, you okay. It's literally called Back to the Future. Like, come on. Do you really not know the plot of Back to the Future?
SPEAKER_01:I I know they go backwards in time. They have to get it to a certain number of miles per hour in order to go back in time.
SPEAKER_04:6069?
SPEAKER_01:60. 88.
SPEAKER_04:88.
SPEAKER_01:Let me show you. Whose mine is in the gutter now of the Alex fucking self enough.
SPEAKER_05:I told them, I told everyone my phone password at the Olympia, and they were like, what?
SPEAKER_01:Is it 6969?
SPEAKER_05:You're very kind of 42069. No, it's fuck 69.
SPEAKER_00:Fuck 69. Oh, okay.
SPEAKER_05:Now everyone knows my phone password.
SPEAKER_00:You can put letters on yours?
SPEAKER_05:Is that bad? Is that dangerous? Yeah, I only have numbers. Only if they're here. I don't care if people know my phone password. I've nothing to hide. People are so weird about it. Cheer goes. They would have to meet you. Like, is it okay? They would have to do it. I don't know how, because you know how people like don't tell me it's like it's not my password for literally anything else. No, you can't add numbers, but if you like, oh wait, it opens for my face.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, you're talking about like old school. Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:So if you like look away.
unknown:Come on.
SPEAKER_01:So you get the letters or whatever.
SPEAKER_05:When they're like all so it's like fuck and then 69.
SPEAKER_01:Real highbrow stuff.
SPEAKER_05:I don't I'm a child.
SPEAKER_01:That's why you're on this podcast.
SPEAKER_05:Hi. But I've been on here three times.
SPEAKER_00:To talk about exactly this. I am here to take a great issue with Liam on something. So when I heard you talking about this thing, first off, I texted you about the DeLorean and I said I want to wish you like congratulations on the new house, but I was so angry about you talking about how you hadn't seen Back to the Future. Right back to the Future.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, you were that angry about it? It's a great movie.
SPEAKER_00:I want to show you something.
SPEAKER_05:Oh gosh.
SPEAKER_00:You better not show me the movie. Okay. Could you imagine we just sit here and watch the movie then? Of the DeLorean Time Machine. The actual screen used DeLorean time machine.
SPEAKER_01:So wait, is that like a piece of the stuff? So they built the time machine, they built it on the DeLorean and they took pieces off and then they sold it.
SPEAKER_00:So they refurbed it in 2012. And the parts that they couldn't bought sells a car. Yes. I have memorabilia all over my apartment. I've got so much because I don't know what diapers cost, I have so much back to the future shit here.
SPEAKER_05:Because I don't know what diapers cost.
SPEAKER_00:Because I don't know what diapers cost.
SPEAKER_05:Are you guys planning on having a baby soon?
SPEAKER_00:No.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, you're saying because you don't have kids.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:That's what that meant. I was like, what is he saying? My brain is across my brain.
SPEAKER_00:Are there back to the future diapers? Yeah.
SPEAKER_04:So I don't know. I was literally like, what is this reference that he's saying?
SPEAKER_00:Not only saying he hasn't seen Back to the Future, but bragging about it and setting up what is ultimately a brilliant word.
SPEAKER_01:Bragging is a strong word. What I'm saying is I never- A quarter million dollar car is bragging. I'm s never, I've I've never happened to fall upon the TV where it was playing and I had the time to watch it. So what I'm saying is, why not utilize that for one of the best jokes ever, is what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. And it would be a very good joke. It it would. Exactly. I really want you to see Back to the Future. But it But it would ruin the entire, our entire plan would just go. Everything would fall apart. Everything would fall apart, just like the DeLorean that they would try to refurbish and sold off the pieces. Just like the DeLorean.
SPEAKER_05:I'm very shocked that you own that like memorabilia.
SPEAKER_00:I if we want to do a whole separate episode.
SPEAKER_05:No, we can't do that.
SPEAKER_00:Where I dig into all my stuff. Oh yeah. No, that'll be the one where I just do this episode alone.
SPEAKER_05:Do you guys still not talk about anything on the podcast?
SPEAKER_00:No. Why would we?
SPEAKER_05:Is that really the turbulence? You guys don't talk about anything still?
SPEAKER_00:I don't think we've talked about anything substantive in.
SPEAKER_05:You go no, and then you laugh at me when I'm like, let's just throw a Hail Mary in there and see if someone else will just hop on mid-conversation.
SPEAKER_01:Listen, we try and put little nuggets of wisdom in there every once in a while. Last week we talked about being grateful for shit and how that's important. You know, so there's like there's stuff here and there, but most most of it is like fuck 69 jokes.
SPEAKER_05:Okay. A child, that's fine.
SPEAKER_01:You know what? Let's talk about the Olympia. Somebody fill me in because I don't really I've I've been too busy.
SPEAKER_00:What happened? Yeah, I don't know what the Olympia's about. This is a fitness podcast. So why don't you tell us what the Olympia is about?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. The Olympia is a bodybuilding show, and it's the most popular one. And it's where they all compete in different I want to say.
SPEAKER_01:They all get their speedos on and they all go get away.
SPEAKER_05:They got bikini people. Okay. So like they're all wearing different items of clothing. The different items of clothing, the more, the more your body is visible, the more jacked you need to be in certain areas of your body.
SPEAKER_01:So like so if I'm wearing pants, I don't need to be very jacked.
SPEAKER_05:The boxer people don't have legs. Like they don't train legs. Like they don't need them. Meanwhile, I like this group.
SPEAKER_01:How do I get into space?
SPEAKER_05:Speedo. You just wear boxers and go on stage.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, I'm in.
SPEAKER_05:Technically, it's uh like it's like uh swim trunks. Okay, and then from there it's uh speedo boys, and the speedo people are usually the bigger ones. Oh no, the the briefs, the brief ones are like the sea bums, and then the last one is the the speedo people, and those are like Kai Chris Bumstead.
SPEAKER_01:I know who C Bum is, but just for those who don't know.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, Chris Bumstead is like six or seven time Mr. Olympia. Well, not Mr. Olympia, he won uh classic physique. Classic physique is basically I'm gonna say something controversial and I whatever. Um so basically classic physique is what Olymp Mr. Olympia used to be, like bodybuilding wise, until they all just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger on steroids. And so they went back to like what a classic look was, and then slowly like C bombs started getting bigger.
SPEAKER_01:So like like when Arnold's Arnold, when Arnold was there, was he was is like what Arnold that's all there was there wasn't like an open bodybuilding.
SPEAKER_05:Classic is a new one, so it was uh he won open bodybuilding okay before like that's what bodybuilding was. That's what open bodybuilding. And then obviously, like they started getting bigger and bigger from different drug usage, and then now the bodybuilders are gigantic. So I think like eight years ago, like C Bomb's been competing in um classic almost since it started, I believe. Like, I think he started it like two years. Yeah, so like I think he's won it almost every year, except for like two of them, um, like since it's been around. And for that one, that's what like Arnold used to be.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. I've seen a lot of people posting pictures comparing Chris Bumstead to Arnold Schwarzenegger. Like I've seen like a little bit of a lot of people.
SPEAKER_05:Because that's like that's like what the look is supposed to be, but then they just all took a lot of steroids and got really big.
unknown:Yes.
SPEAKER_00:And that's what open means. So like it open means anybody can compete. So whatever they're taking, whatever they're using, they're allowed to use it.
SPEAKER_05:I mean, I don't think it's like, yeah, I use whatever you want.
SPEAKER_00:But wait, wait, so is there no weight?
SPEAKER_05:You can use whatever. I don't know that much. Like, I know that there's certain heights and like there are certain weights that you have to be. I think in the Olympia, everyone competes kind of against each other. But the thing with the height difference is take someone who's like me, like 5'2 versus you, like you're like 6'2. 6'2, 6'3, yeah. Yeah. And so what's nice is you're over six feet, so you don't need to lie about your height. You don't need to like add some inches.
SPEAKER_01:I always add a couple when I can.
SPEAKER_05:You know, yeah. Six, seven, six, eight. That's where you measure from. Our physiques are just that's crazy. Our physiques are would be like wildly different at our different at our heights. And so that's where the heights need to be within certain ranges.
SPEAKER_01:Okay. But so because something like classic have like a weight, like if you're this, if you're if you're this tall, you can't be over this weight.
SPEAKER_05:So I'm not like two years ago, C Bum. I don't think open has a weight regulation. That's right. But like two years ago, people got really I mean, it was probably longer than that, but they changed the weight regulation like last minute and or not last minute, but like pretty close. And so C Bum had to super cut. And I remember people were really pissed about it because it seemed like he wasn't gonna be able to make it because he basically put on so much like density that he just had so much muscle mass that it was hard for him to get to under a certain weight.
SPEAKER_01:Damn.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, damn.
SPEAKER_01:But like in open, I feel like they're just like, hey, go crazy to get literally as big as freakishly.
SPEAKER_05:I saw Kai Green there, and he was crazy. There were so many random people. Like, I saw Randy Couture, like the UFC fighter, and then I also saw um oh my gosh, little John. Like just walking around. And I was like, I couldn't, this is gonna sound awkward.
SPEAKER_00:Greater bodybuilders of our time.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, it was so random, and I was like, you don't, I was like, you look so familiar. And I was like, you literally look like a rapper, and I couldn't figure out who he was for the life of me. And then finally someone goes, That's little John, and I was like, No, wait, he's so much oh my missed opportunity. I didn't do that because he was already like walking away.
SPEAKER_00:Now I'm so funny. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:I I sat out of this year's competition. I felt that it would be unfair if I competed to all the other competitors. Yeah, I just wanted to make sure everyone had a fair chance.
SPEAKER_04:It is sort of crazy.
SPEAKER_01:Like, I I went to yeah, I just went to the Arnold, and you see these people in person. You're like, you are a massive.
SPEAKER_05:Oh wait, you just moved. We're gonna go to the Arnold this year.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. You're probably not gonna go, are you? I don't know. Maybe it's not down the street anymore. It's not nearly as close as it was before. These people are like they're just massive. They're just Arnold? Yeah, like the open, like the any bodybuilding show.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Shit.
SPEAKER_05:I'm not a I'm not a I mean, to me, that's it's not fun. I I like eating food a lot. I totally agree.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I don't feel like starving myself to get to like 5% body fat. That sounds really not fun.
SPEAKER_05:No.
SPEAKER_00:I did it. It wasn't good. I didn't do bodybuilding, but I starved myself for no medals. I could have a TV show. I starved myself for not a prize, and yeah, that was very not fun. It's it's not like when people I've had clients uh send me pictures of bodybuilders. I've been like, you know, how do we get to this? Like, this is a goal of mine, and I have to have a very difficult talk with them. That like, first off, this person's body is not real. Um secondly, they have to suck.
SPEAKER_05:So you like very well, not openly, I guess it's maybe I'm other than your close friends, but I was gonna say you very openly talk so much smack about people on like steroids and stuff.
SPEAKER_00:What I I talk shit about is people lying about it. Uh like because there are so many people in our industry that are on the stuff and they're not open about it. They don't talk about it, they they'll claim that they're natural. Even if they don't claim they're natural, they just don't say that they're taking it and they're fucking huge.
SPEAKER_01:But they do take creatine, and that's why. But you should take their specific type of creatine because that's why they're that big. That's of course supplement.
SPEAKER_00:The pre-workout is is what's doing it. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's it's definitely not the the BPC 157 and all the fucking research chemicals and all that bullshit. It's anabolics run rampant in the fitness space. And it's if somebody wants to do it, it is what it is. I I this is one of the reasons that I I I like Dr. Mike's uh perspective on this because he talks about how awful it is. He talks about how it makes him angry, it makes him feel bad. And I'm like, look, if he's gonna do it, he's gonna do it. But at least he's telling people that it's happening and he's telling people it's not good.
SPEAKER_05:I mean, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00:There's a lot of people who won't do that.
SPEAKER_01:Alex is on a ton of stuff right now, so she's feeling a little insecure.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, that's it.
SPEAKER_00:She's got a sharps container behind her right now.
SPEAKER_05:Just totally roin it out. Uh no, I just I think that maybe I just I feel like I've become so desensitized to certain things, and maybe I need to have more of an opinion on it. But I just I don't I don't agree with lying. Like, don't lie and say, I'm natural when you're not. But I don't think ever like I don't think everyone needs to disclose, like, by the way, I'm not natty, like outright all the time. I'm very clearly supernatural. Like, no one should be looking at me being like, well, she must be on stuff. Um, but I don't I just don't think that people need to go out of their way to do it.
unknown:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I mean really just being it becomes an issue basically just when they go out of their way to say that they're that they are natural. And the reason they're the reason they're at the size they are is because of these supplements. Here's my link. That's I think that's the main issue. I can see other ones, but like that's gotta be the main problem.
SPEAKER_05:And the longer I'm so sorry. The longer you're in this space, the more you start to realize like it's it's easier to tell who's on stuff than who isn't.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:I'll be honest, I get more upset about people saying that like cortisol is the reason you're fat than I do about people lying about being on steroids.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, there's room to be angry at everybody.
SPEAKER_05:We need to talk about how much anger you have, Mike, because you are always on a little rampage.
SPEAKER_00:I'm I I've been a little upset lately. I I am actually now seeking some therapy for certain things. Um around that, around just untreated trauma in general, stuff that I've not talked about. So yeah, it's um it's it's been a little while since I've been in therapy. It's like my my issue with the it's we're in an industry where people look at our bodies and want to emulate that.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:We we sell an image on our image, or we we sell, you know, uh not necessarily like we're trying to, but it's part of it. And that's what people are saying, like with mine, with my 110-pound weight loss, people see that they want to emulate it. But it especially with these people who are very fitness focused, very, you know, always posting pictures and gym selfies and everything, and then they have their code at the bottom. You use code this to get whatever at checkout. And they're not telling people like that's not how they got there.
SPEAKER_01:I I think the best thing we can do, because I've I get comments like, oh, I don't know, what's what's your diet like? You look good, so what's your diet like, or what's your workout routine? And every time I'm like, it doesn't really matter. Like it I tell them like what I do, it doesn't really matter if you copy it, it's not gonna be the same thing. And just having like content creators do that, I think is really the best thing that we can do. I've that's I've got that's where I've got to do it. I agree with that 100%. Where I'm just like, hey, you could copy my diet and my workout plan, and you're not gonna have the same, you might have better results. Like, hey, I don't know, your genetics, everything's different. Like, you know, just tell them, like, do what something here, here like guide, look, give them guidelines, right? It's just like, hey, eat protein, exercise regularly, lift weights, push yourself fairly hard, like that sort of thing, right?
SPEAKER_05:Like after that, I do think that needs to become more of the norm. Like, to me, that's what it is is so many people are like, well, here's my workout program, here's this. And yeah, you like I think it's great for people to have a workout program that they can follow, yes. But I just think that so many people think that if they follow the exact program that somebody else is following, then suddenly they're gonna get the exact same results, and that's just not the case.
SPEAKER_01:That's a that's an interesting one right there because when I started getting into lifting, like I started getting into lifting weights, I remember I got um Jeff Nippert's workout program, yeah, which is like a solid workout program. Like I remember I did it, it was it worked well for a while. Uh, and that helped at the beginning to have just like, okay, I go in, what do I do? Okay, squats, three sets, okay. Like have that and just do that, and then eventually I got a feel for it and then continued on on my own, and I don't I don't do that stuff anymore. I'm not doing like mesocycles or anything.
SPEAKER_05:Um I'm not hitting on having workout programs. I want to be that, I want to be one of the people.
SPEAKER_01:I know you were, but but like we don't want you don't want the person that's just like, oh yeah, you have my workout program to get my results. Yeah, like they're body shopping, and saying this is the body I'm gonna do.
SPEAKER_05:What are your macros? My macros are irrelevant to you.
SPEAKER_01:So, like, how do we kind of get the point across? Like, hey, we could give you like a workout program or something. We can give you something that that would hopefully work for you and give you an idea of where to start and what to do, but like it's you it's not it's it's not these specific rules um that that you have to follow. Because that's what I think it is in nutrition and fitness. It's always like, oh, you gotta wake up and take a shot of olive oil, and that will lube your colon, and then you'll be good. Like it's always these like weird, sp very specific. Oh, and what? Dash of lemon in it. Make sure it's just lemon. Make sure it has seeds in it, too, because that's important. Whatever. Like it's always these very specific rules. And like, I think telling people like it doesn't need to be that.
SPEAKER_05:I think finding programs that you can try is great. And you can see how it works for your schedule. It can see how it works for like what your life is like. And then you need to have enough autonomy to be able to adjust things on your own. Because I think that's also part of the problem is people just want to be told what to do. What is it? Teach a man to fish. You're like, give a man a fish, you know, eat for a day, teach a man a fish, eat for his life. Like it's the same thing. It's like we give people these programs, but then they're like, okay, well, I can't do five days a week anymore. So then they need to change it to three. And then they're like, okay, any new program. So it's like understanding that it is okay to be malleable and also understanding that it is okay to change, I think is so important.
SPEAKER_01:That people want, like you said, the people want the just give me the diet to follow. Why can't you just tell me what to eat? And you know, that's we we've encountered that all the time. And getting it's this middle ground though, that's tough because you know, I tell people, like, oh, in moderation, what the hell does that mean? It's like, that's a tough fucking question because that is different for everyone. So I'm trying to give you some guidelines, but you have to realize they are not scripture, they're not like you don't have to follow everything to the T. And getting people to find that sort of middle ground where like, hey, you have this program, but if you miss a day, that it that's fine. You just go on to the next one because it can be very easy to say, like, well, I had this three-day program and I could only do two this week, so maybe I just don't go next week and then I reset for three the week after that, like, you know, that sort of thing. And I think just kind of trying to get across, like, uh yeah, like you said, feel malleable.
SPEAKER_05:Because people don't love living in like the gray area, and again, like they just like being told to do not everyone, but a lot of people are like that.
SPEAKER_00:A lot of people as somebody who used to be obese and struggled tremendously with eating habits and overeating habits, being in the gray area is a skill that needs to be worked on and learned. It's it's like intuitive eating isn't a switch, it's something you have to learn how to do.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So, like a great example, I think, is just today. April. Um she said, like, okay, so she comes home and she's like, I had uh like cottage cheese and peaches this morning, and I'm like so hungry again. I'm like, that's not a lot of food. Like peaches and cottage cheese, I doubt you ate all that much of it. What is that, like 200 calories? You probably didn't eat that much. And she's like, Well, I felt like it was a lot of food. And so she made another plate of food and she's like, How many calories is in this? I immediately looked at it. I was like, okay, two eggs. One egg is 60 calories, two eggs is 120. You have a piece of toast, that's roughly 70 calories. So we'll say roughly 200. You have some avocado on there, some like guacamole spread, but it's a pretty very thin layer, so that's probably like 75 calories. We're looking at 275, and then you have some grapes on there, the small thing of grapes. It was, and yeah, and it was like maybe 50 calories. So this is like 340-ish calories. Like I could immediately look at that and just go like this many. But like when people start, they don't have that skill, right? So that's why they want to be able to say, just tell me what foods to eat. And so, like, it could be useful at first, but you're not gonna be able to do it long term. So I think more just like tracking kind of what you eat, as long as those don't trigger like your you know, eating disorder or whatever, too much, being able to track just for a little bit to see. So now, like, I can look at food and be like, this is roughly this many calories. I've seen videos where people well, they'll ask people, like the average person, like, how many calories is in this pizza? And it's one of those like large, you know, uh um like Papa John's pizzas or whatever. And they're like, 500, 600, maybe?
SPEAKER_03:And it's like that's in the whole pizza, in the pizza, whole pizza.
SPEAKER_01:And I'm like, that's two slices. That was two slices, maybe. Yeah, yeah, maybe 600, probably two slices, probably 300 each. And but people have no idea they don't know. And I'm not trying to make fun of them, they just don't know. They've never done it till they're in track.
SPEAKER_00:They're not wrong for asking for like what should I eat? How should I move? Like, that's a completely understandable question. And it would be great if that's all it was, and we could just give that to you and have it be that, but you wouldn't learn anything.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Right. So I think telling them, like, hey, so like maybe if you can like track things and just have a general idea for how many calories are in different foods, that would help out a lot. That would be again, teach Amanda Fish. That's what that would do, is help you long term. But it's it's it's tough to it's it's tough to it again. People, like you said, don't want to live in the gray zone. It's kind of it's tougher to live there, right? It's easier when you have those hard. That's why intermittent fasting works so well.
SPEAKER_00:We're laughing because it's not true.
SPEAKER_04:No, we're laughing because they watched me take a sneaky photo.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, I didn't see that.
SPEAKER_04:You didn't see that.
SPEAKER_00:No, oh, I'm gonna look ridiculous. Oh, gosh. No, I'll do a right one. Hey, Liam anyway. I have so many pictures at the wedding with you, Liam, with your mouth wide open.
unknown:That's right.
SPEAKER_05:Why is your mouth always open?
unknown:Oh.
SPEAKER_05:I have no pictures of you from the wedding.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, I didn't really take that many pictures myself.
SPEAKER_05:When did you leave?
SPEAKER_01:I left late. I was there until like 11 or 12. Yeah, until it all cleared out. Yeah, I was like one of the last people.
SPEAKER_05:And then I went to thee to you. I literally said bye to you. Oh my god. I did. You were leaving. You were like waiting for your Uber.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I had to wait for it. I had to go to the airport and then sleep for like two hours in a hotel and then go back for Oakley's birthday. That was fun. That's crazy. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:Did you guys talk about the wedding? Did you do a debrief of like the fact that you were at Scotty K Fitness's wedding?
SPEAKER_01:I've never done a debrief of anything, let alone we just debriefed the Olympia. The only thing I'm debriefing is there.
SPEAKER_05:What'd you say? You debriefed this ass before going to bed. It's correct. Do you like how I said what did you say? And I literally just forbade him send it back to you.
SPEAKER_01:We would keep back what you said and ask.
SPEAKER_03:Wait a minute. You know what? Yeah, that was crazy thing.
SPEAKER_00:I think the first episode after the wedding, it was just you and me, Liam. And I think we talked about it a little bit then.
SPEAKER_05:It upsets me to my core that I regularly don't take pictures of my friends.
SPEAKER_00:I don't have a ton of pictures from the wedding. I have an I have at least one with everybody.
SPEAKER_05:And then that's like Yeah, the selfie where we're all sitting down.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. I have a ton of pictures of my daughter, and that's about it. Like I don't have a lot of pictures of like other people.
SPEAKER_05:I have a lot of pictures of my dog.
SPEAKER_00:I have thousands of pictures of my cats.
SPEAKER_05:That's fair. I don't think my phone knows what I look like. I have a lot of pictures of me in the gym.
SPEAKER_01:There you go.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I'm very full of myself. My thing is like I have so many videos of myself.
SPEAKER_01:I can look back at any time.
SPEAKER_05:Two in the morning is crazy. That's my that's when I'm like about to wake up.
SPEAKER_00:Um I wake up, I'm like rubbing crusties out of my eyes, and there's an already three videos of you dancing. I'm like, I'm I'm losing right now.
SPEAKER_05:You're not losing. This is what I get so set about with people. Because people always like compare what time they wake up to me. And I'm literally like, first of all, I go to bed really early. So if you really want to wake up earlier, go to bed like sooner. But also, like when you wake up doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. I wake up at the crack of noon. You still have a crazy ass sleep schedule.
SPEAKER_01:Well, no, because I go to bed not super late, but Oakley wakes up at six. So I'm up for a while, and then I go back to sleep, and then I wake up.
SPEAKER_05:Do you go back to sleep or do you nap?
SPEAKER_01:I mean, what's what's qualifies as a fucking nap?
SPEAKER_05:I'm gonna say anything longer than an hour.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, then yeah, I go back to sleep. Longer, definitely longer than an hour. Like, I'm up to sleep.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, wait, what time do you go to bed?
SPEAKER_01:So I go to bed like 11, 12.
SPEAKER_05:So it's you're already getting like six hours of sleep.
SPEAKER_01:So I get like six hours and then I sleep for another like two.
SPEAKER_05:That's my literally worked in a sleep clinic. Don't you know that that's not like great for you?
SPEAKER_01:I mean, there's a lot, listen, the cocaine I do isn't that great for me, but that's what keeps me going. People are taking.
SPEAKER_05:I was about to say, are we going back to steroids?
SPEAKER_00:Not going back, haven't started them yet.
SPEAKER_05:We still okay. I get what you I get the joke that you made. I'm too literal because sometimes people make jokes and I'm like, what? And I'm like, oh my god.
SPEAKER_00:Like, hold on, don't do it.
SPEAKER_05:Okay, okay. Here's my thing. I don't care if you do steroids, it's your choice, it's your body.
SPEAKER_00:It would kill me so quick. My body's not prepared. You have to be healthy getting into it. And I am not already healthy. I I've got a heart condition.
SPEAKER_05:Um it would shut me down so quick. I wonder if that would have mess me up.
SPEAKER_00:Hey, high five. Yeah, is that is that an issue?
SPEAKER_05:Someone told me that. Someone said that my irregular heartbeat could be an issue like down the line.
SPEAKER_01:Well, yeah, we're cardiologists.
SPEAKER_05:Let me just get Tommy Martin back on here.
SPEAKER_01:Uh he's not a cardiologist. No, he's family, family practice.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I think he's like a regular doctor. He's literally in my phone. Just a regular doctor.
SPEAKER_00:Doctor. Normal doctor.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, he just went to med school. It's not a big deal. Um, and he's like 30. Um, like I'm pretty sure he's younger than me, and I'm like, oh, okay, you're a doctor. Um in my phone, he's literally Dr. Tommy Martin, but in case of emergency, call real doctor.
SPEAKER_00:Well, if you and your family get into some kind of an accident, then you go to the family.
SPEAKER_05:Well, imagine if they like say doctor, and I'm like, this is not my real doctor. That's you know, like people go through your phone, everyone fucks 69, like they're gonna go there. If you get in an accident, anything happens, they get in it.
SPEAKER_00:Wait, hold on. Why is it when you get into an accident, they're looking through your phone to find a doctor? Why wouldn't they just call 911?
SPEAKER_05:No, I meant like her phone. No, I meant like if you're like in the hospital, you're like they don't know anything. Well, I don't know why they would call a doctor, they'd probably call my dad. My dad's name is something like weird on my phone, and he was like, If we get in, if you get an accident, they're not gonna know who to call. And I was like, I'm gonna be honest, I don't think I'd want them to call you anyways. You never answer your phone. I'm like, this isn't gonna help me at all. My emergency contact should be choo choo-choo train.
SPEAKER_00:If our doctors look through our phones at some point, they're trying to find an emergency contact, they scroll by and see Scotty. Oh, I love that guy.
SPEAKER_05:That or Dana, I guess they could call Scotty or Kylie. I'd have them call Kylie, to be completely honest.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely. We gotta call, yeah. Kylie's the adult. But for all of us, at the American Heart Association event we did back in February, she kept us together. We were just a bunch of monkeys performing for uh we raised a hundred thousand dollars.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, we're talking about the new one in February.
SPEAKER_00:We're going for a million this next one.
SPEAKER_05:Jesus Christ. It's I know they were like, you're gonna need two weeks off. And I was like, I know I'm gonna bring my laptop. I'll have my laptop with me, but two weeks with all of you fucking knuckleheads are gonna be crazy.
SPEAKER_01:I've already got a claim. You're gonna have to change your fucking password for your phone, I'll tell you that much.
SPEAKER_05:I don't care. Fucking fuck 69 on my phone as much as you want.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, Liam, are you telling me?
SPEAKER_05:People are so weird about their phones. Um maybe this is just me. I mean, I would never go through somebody else's phone, but I'm also like I have to do that.
SPEAKER_01:Do you not have like naked pictures of yourself on your phone? I 100% have those.
SPEAKER_05:Oh no.
SPEAKER_01:No, really?
SPEAKER_05:They're in a hidden folder.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, okay. Well, that's fine. I feel like everyone should have my face ID for that.
SPEAKER_05:You can't even use my passcode. I'm so single. Why would I have naked pictures of my phone?
SPEAKER_01:I feel like everyone should.
SPEAKER_00:I feel like no everyone's.
SPEAKER_05:Well, I would I would do that if I was married. No, I'm single.
SPEAKER_00:I just take a thousand pictures of my balls to the CIA agent that's watching my phone. That's crazy. It's gotta look at it all the time.
SPEAKER_05:That's right. You made a joke about me being single earlier.
SPEAKER_00:Did we?
SPEAKER_05:You did on the phone.
SPEAKER_00:I did.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, you were literally like, we're gonna whore you out.
SPEAKER_00:And I was like, No, oh, okay. No, I said we're gonna have a bachelorette auction. Yeah, so you made it quite dirty. You're talking about the phone conversation we had earlier before this.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I said we need to have you a bachelorette auction because you can.
SPEAKER_03:And that'd be like one of the episodes we do bachelor for Alex.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
unknown:Oh man.
SPEAKER_00:I've talked about doing a bachelor auction for Rob. And uh like, uh why don't we have like a live in moderation and we just sell you guys off for charity? We could put this, we could have this as part of the American Heart Association.
SPEAKER_01:I'd rather be sold for something more fun, like cottage cheese.
SPEAKER_05:I thought you like cottage cheese.
SPEAKER_01:I do. I do a preteen thing.
SPEAKER_05:What is the thing that you don't like?
SPEAKER_01:What's the thing I don't like? Fat-free cheese.
SPEAKER_05:No, I swear you used to be a cottage cheese hater, and now this is making it.
SPEAKER_01:No, people always just thought I was a cottage cheese hater because I keep they keep tagging me cottage cheese ice cream and brownies and shit.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, you're just like, I don't think cottage cheese belongs in everything.
SPEAKER_01:Of course, exactly.
SPEAKER_05:See, I think that was the what confused me.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, no, it confuses a lot of people, and I keep having to reiterate like please have it with your friends.
SPEAKER_05:I felt so connected to you when I thought you were a fellow hater.
SPEAKER_01:No, I'm not a fellow hater. I there's a lot of things I hate.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, you hate stevia.
SPEAKER_01:I hate stevia. Oh, I don't like stevia. It's such a oh, it's natural. Fuck out of here. It's naturally shitty. I don't like it.
SPEAKER_00:It's not got the best taste.
SPEAKER_01:I can give that to you. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:It's like a wrong sort of I use stevia like every day. Why? What's but you don't taste that like back end, like I used to do like two little droplets of my coffee. Not like droppers. I like little drops.
SPEAKER_00:I've got the powdered stuff. I don't even use it that much.
SPEAKER_05:That doesn't even like dissolve.
SPEAKER_00:I've got you know the um it's I've been using cold coffees, that's part of it. Granular monk fruit.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, I like that stuff.
SPEAKER_01:It's no, it's erythritol and monk fruit together. So like it's in erythritol tastes pretty much like sugar. So like the monk fruit isn't too bad. It's not like pure monk fruit, which that does taste weird. So like it's a decent balance. I use that as well. I like that. So yeah, you need that. You need like a little bit of the the more I find the more sweeteners you mix together, the better. I want a drink that just has all of them except Stevia, every single other one. But a little bit of each. I I want guys, guys. No, wait, wait, wait. Seriously, seriously, seriously, seriously. I think I'm gonna get a DeLorean. No, I think I have an idea about like my next tattoo. Aspartame.
SPEAKER_05:I'm sorry. What do you think? I didn't even know you have tattoos. I got tattoos. Oh, wait, I did know that. I actually did know that one. You're gonna get aspartame.
SPEAKER_00:This is this is great for an audio medium, by the way.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, yeah, because no one can see anything. Can you describe it? Is there no video? Is it just audio? He goes, No, it's crazy. I swear you've described your tattoos before on the podcast when I'm thinking about it.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I've yeah, I've described them several times.
SPEAKER_05:Um I swear Patreon only.
SPEAKER_01:No, but I'm thinking the chemical. Negotiate with bush beans.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, wait, that's way cooler than what I was gonna say. I was gonna say make your like make your thing with bush beans and be like, give me ten dollars. No, pay for my tattoo and I'll get it. And I'll say I'm sponsored by you guys.
SPEAKER_01:By beans? Am I gonna get a tattoo of bean? Am I gonna get a tattoo of bushes or just a bean?
SPEAKER_05:Just a bean.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, okay. I would do just a bean. I would do just a business.
SPEAKER_05:I would not do bushes.
SPEAKER_01:You know how people do a teardrop? It's gonna be a bean. It's gonna be a fake. Little kidney bean. Just like a small little kidney bean. Just falling down. Imagine I imagine I get one of those and I start doing videos and I never talk about it.
SPEAKER_03:Just never say you get a fake one and just no fake ones that less.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and I'll get a little fake kidney bean.
SPEAKER_03:That would be so I would die. I would you can't wink at the camera, you can't acknowledge it at all.
SPEAKER_01:Did you get a bean tattoo in the corner of your eye? Like, no, I don't know what you're talking about.
SPEAKER_05:I would die. Just never address it. It would be so funny. And then one day.
SPEAKER_01:Brilliant for engagement. That would be really funny. I I think I might need to find a temporary tattoo on it.
SPEAKER_05:You can definitely find a temporary one online.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, well, I'm still thinking I get a real one though, aspartame and the chemical makeup of it. And just and just fucking own that shit. What is the chemical makeup of it? I don't know. It'll look fine. They all look similar enough. Like people are like, oh, is that serotonin or cocaine? I can't tell.
SPEAKER_05:Oh my gosh. Yeah, that just I mean, I think it would be funny. I'm I'm here for the joke.
SPEAKER_01:That's pretty most of my life is just like it's kind of a long one.
SPEAKER_05:C14H18N2O.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, it is kind of a yeah. It depends on your definition of long, but like, yeah, it is sort of there.
SPEAKER_05:No, it's average. It's very average.
SPEAKER_00:Actually, I think that's it's perfectly fine of a size of a molecule. Some would say it's too big.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:I this one's not, I mean, like, I mean, I wouldn't put it anywhere.
SPEAKER_05:This is just H2O.
SPEAKER_01:But maybe just like on my like leg or something like that. I get aspertames like symbol. That would be fucking I don't know. I don't know.
SPEAKER_05:Is H2O technically the right molecule? Why is sleep mode? Oh, it's my bedtime. I was like, why is sleep mode on my phone?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, we are way past your bedtime right now.
SPEAKER_05:You're not way past my bedtime. This is usually my bedtime. I'm usually in bed around eight.
SPEAKER_01:Hawaii or something, right?
SPEAKER_05:What'd you say?
SPEAKER_01:You live in Hawaii or something, right? Where it's like 2 p.m.
SPEAKER_05:I think you're what an hour ahead of me.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, yeah, it's it's 10 o'clock here.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, it's nine here.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, okay. So yeah, it's actually not so bad.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:When I texted you earlier and I'm like, hey, you want to come on at nine o'clock?
SPEAKER_05:Nine. No, I'm not. I go, no, I go PM.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, PM.
SPEAKER_05:I'm like, excuse me. Is this math mathing?
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. All right. I think I've decided aspartame on the like.
SPEAKER_05:I like that for you. Are you gonna do it like big or small?
SPEAKER_01:Average.
SPEAKER_00:I got I got a text from the producer.
SPEAKER_05:Robert.
SPEAKER_00:And he says, why is aspartame not on his ass?
SPEAKER_01:Aspirtame ass?
SPEAKER_00:Ass aspartame.
SPEAKER_05:Is he listening, but not like even participating?
SPEAKER_01:He's present, just like yeah, I think he's coming overwise. He just knows we're talking about aspartame.
SPEAKER_03:So I was literally like, what do you mean?
SPEAKER_04:I was like, how does he know that?
SPEAKER_00:Totally unconnected thought. He's just like I was so confused. Tell Liam to do this. Soul bonded.
SPEAKER_01:The only other one I know I want to get is my dog's paw like over my heart.
SPEAKER_04:Oh, that's that one.
SPEAKER_01:Because I have one good dog.
SPEAKER_04:One good dog is crazy.
SPEAKER_01:No, I have a dog. Listen, I have a dog that I would give a kidney to, and then I have other dogs. I have other dogs.
SPEAKER_05:I've never met somebody who speaks about their dogs like this.
SPEAKER_01:No, and listen, I'm not saying that's not.
SPEAKER_05:I speak about like my hamsters like this.
SPEAKER_01:They're dogs. They're dogs. But there's one dog I have that is just the best dog you have ever met. I don't I will put her against any other dog out there.
SPEAKER_05:I mean, I love my dog a lot, so I'm gonna have to argue that. That's okay.
SPEAKER_01:But yeah, I'm gonna get that, and then I'm gonna get aspartame. Those are the things.
SPEAKER_05:I'm gonna get an outline of my dog's head.
SPEAKER_01:Like a little like a little with like fuck 69 in it, or like I was gonna get her heartbeat actually, because I thought that was cute.
SPEAKER_05:Um, I'm not getting Fox 69 on me for any purposes. I'm just gonna say I don't want people to know my phone password just from like looking at me.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, that's the only reason to not get a fuck 69 tattoo.
SPEAKER_05:If if someone orders me a fake temporary tattoo of Fuck 69, I'll put it on me.
SPEAKER_00:Can you get custom fake tattoos? Yeah, oh yeah. Do you like like like a print to order website?
SPEAKER_05:We can find anything. We can find fucking drugs on there. Of course, you can find a temporary tattoo.
SPEAKER_00:We can get the drugs inject it into us. Not the drugs, just so I can block that website. And not go to the website, which would be crazy. What's the name of the website?
SPEAKER_05:How's how not what's the name of the website?
SPEAKER_00:I just I want to put it in my parental blocks so I can't go to it.
SPEAKER_01:You wouldn't go to it anymore. It's a block. Wait, hold on. Your parental blocks block you. That's how that works.
SPEAKER_00:I don't have kids, so it's who else. You get one of those brick devices, you know, the the the the brick, the Bluetooth brick that you can use on your phone. It's basically what it is, it's like it's it's a Bluetooth, it's literally a little brick, and you tap it to the back of your phone, okay, and it automatically locks whatever app you don't want to use through the day. So like if you scroll too much or you're looking at your phone too much, playing games or whatever. And the only way you can unlock it is if you tap the brick back on in the camp. So it makes it so like yeah, you can leave the brick at home and basically leave your apps at home.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, that's the idea.
SPEAKER_00:Okay. So you can still have access. We theorize that because you don't post any stories, you probably have a pretty healthy relationship with social media.
SPEAKER_01:I'd say it's pretty good. Like, I I try I will post a video, I'll try and respond to comments, but I'm not living in that shit, and I'm not like constantly scrolling or anything like that.
SPEAKER_05:Well, when you get tagged and so much stuff that you don't really need to scroll to find to react to anything.
SPEAKER_01:I just check my tag section, I I skim through that, and then I call that's that's pretty much it. I'll do like a little scrolling at some point if there's like if there's downtime or something.
SPEAKER_05:What's on your feed?
SPEAKER_01:What is on my feed? Um fucking Zach D films for some reason. I get that keeps popping up. Have you guys not the have you? It's the animated thing. Yeah, he's millions, he has like millions. He does he's like he's like the guy who entered the room and got shot and they show like the crazy, like the crazy animation.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, one always is crazy to me.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, it's always crazy shit. I'm like, sure, I guess I'm I'm in it. Lots of animals, tons of like animal things, a lot of animals, and then like D D stuff, I'd say. Like I get a lot of like Dungeons and Dragons humor and stuff like that. I haven't played in a little while, but like no, you weren't there until the wedding.
SPEAKER_05:Because I was like, they tried to play it at the Olympia. Oh because everyone played it at Scotty's wedding, and then they were like, we need to play it again.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the dice. I've got this right here.
SPEAKER_00:That was really cool.
SPEAKER_05:They're great for a uh audio.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, I guess. No, I I will not be describing what I'm holding here. You could look it up.
SPEAKER_03:You can look it up online.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, we don't got a time at Scotty's wedding. Yeah. Yeah, like so like yeah, I'd probably say like that.
SPEAKER_05:I've never played it.
SPEAKER_00:Uh can we do an inmoderation DD one night?
SPEAKER_05:Like an episode?
SPEAKER_00:Like a like a special.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, you mean like those like scary story? What?
SPEAKER_01:I'd be totally in on like a DD, a short DD. Would that work?
SPEAKER_05:A one shot, yeah? Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, they're yeah, it would be a few hours, but it it's it would be like a special.
SPEAKER_05:Can we do like a condensed like flash version? That's like an hour.
SPEAKER_00:That's what the one shot is. It is condensed.
SPEAKER_01:A one shot, one shot.
SPEAKER_05:A one shot is like multiple hours.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, usually it's like three. That's crazy.
SPEAKER_05:So is that one?
SPEAKER_01:Because well, a campaign is normally like months of play, like months.
SPEAKER_05:I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, well, you you meet for like a couple hours, like a week or whatever, and over the course of months, like you play the campaign. The same campaign.
SPEAKER_00:My best friend did one for eight years. He just got done with it. Damn, that's a long ass time. Shout out to Andy. Yeah, it's it's eight years they did it. There were some people that weren't there at the end, they like cycled out and they had to kill off the characters in the canon.
SPEAKER_01:Yep. It was so like that's why one shot is still like a few hours. It still takes a little while.
SPEAKER_00:Huh.
SPEAKER_01:So yeah, it's fine. I do enjoy it. I like D a lot though.
SPEAKER_00:Rob, if you're listening, how do you feel about a DD one shot?
SPEAKER_05:How many people do we need?
SPEAKER_00:I mean, a few.
SPEAKER_01:You don't need you don't want a ton you because otherwise it takes too long. Yeah. Small handful. An average amount?
SPEAKER_05:Hey. What's average?
SPEAKER_00:Two or three is definitely average, I would say.
SPEAKER_03:That's crazy.
SPEAKER_00:It's really all you need. I mean, it's it's kind of how you play. It's not about how many players. And you're just showing off. You've lost thought. Did you think we were gonna get to the end of the show without having some kind of joke like this?
SPEAKER_01:I I don't think we're still in it. Very, I think this is very on brand for inmoderation.
SPEAKER_06:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:I haven't listened in a while. I need to get back into it.
SPEAKER_01:It's yeah, it's inmoderation featuring dick jokes. That's what it is.
SPEAKER_04:And fuck 69, that's why.
SPEAKER_00:Do we have a comment box anywhere where people can send like thoughts and feedback on the show? Yeah, like feedback on the show, questions, criticism. Like we've got I get people like in my DMs that know me from just in moderation, which is crazy.
SPEAKER_05:I like that you're just like a co-host at this point.
SPEAKER_00:Pretty much, yeah. I don't know how it happened, but I'm glad to be here.
SPEAKER_01:We just have fun. Like, I mean, that's what I'm saying. Like, with a podcast, it's just a place to have fun. Because I think it's just too much serious shit out there. And I'm like, I just want a place where I can just laugh and be dumb and you guys might have comments off. Have a good time. Because like it's just it's all just too, it's always just fucking too much.
SPEAKER_05:I think people get to it's all very serious.
SPEAKER_01:It's so serious, especially in the fitness space. Fuck that shit, man.
SPEAKER_00:Everybody's so angry. Mike is angry, which is not I'm I'm not known as the angry guy. I've been fairly angry lately, and I don't want to be going for you. It's not great. It doesn't feel good. I don't love it. And that's why I need to talk to somebody about it. It's how's working. Therapy is important. It is important.
SPEAKER_01:I need to get into I need to get a therapist here in yeah, in New York. It's we need therapy.
SPEAKER_00:I I'm not in it currently.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, I thought you were saying you're back in therapy because you've been angry.
SPEAKER_00:I'm about to. That's the thing. Like I am seeking it. Yeah. It's I I feel like we should seek therapy just like we seek doctors' checkups, you know. We should and go through courses of it every once in a while. And that's what I plan to do. So you know, hopefully I can sort of get back to the uh the the mic needs a plan that everybody knows that some people know. That's some people.
SPEAKER_05:I like that you're like normalizing therapy because I think not a lot of people think that it's normal stuff.
SPEAKER_01:It's gotten better over the years. Like it used to be never talked about it, but I feel like now it's gotten a little better, but it's still right, it's still not.
SPEAKER_05:I'm in therapy, it's been great.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I think it's fantastic.
SPEAKER_05:Mike's on the crash out in what June?
SPEAKER_00:It's valid, though. It's uh like it all of our crash outs are valid in one way or another. It's it's how we go about it.
SPEAKER_05:I had never crashed out until this year, like that.
SPEAKER_00:Never?
SPEAKER_05:Not like that.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, you were just the first that's crazy.
SPEAKER_05:I don't want to ever crash out again. I crashed out again this last week. It was great. Um I had never what? Again, justified is crazy.
SPEAKER_00:Justified. You're not you weren't wrong. We won't get into it, but you weren't wrong.
SPEAKER_05:Well, I just think, well, no, technically I was. I actually think this is important. Like, so I think crashing out, I think depending on what your crash out is, it can be understandable because it is a response to something that is going on. But I do also think that it's really important for us to take accountability of when we're reacting versus when we're responding and when we maybe need an opportunity to regulate before we crash out, like in quotations. So like it depends like what you're justifying as like a crash out. Because when I told like I told Scotty I like crashed out and he was like, What did you do? And I was like, Oh, I like sent a text message, and he was like, and I like explained what was in it, and he was like, Oh, I thought it was like way worse than that. And I was like, Oh, okay. So this is where I think it's important to like, yeah, it's okay to be upset. Okay, I'm gonna how deep, okay. I'm gonna get deep in a second for this one. We can have a little this can be our meat and potatoes of this episode. Okay, but I think that people have normalized reacting really, really big and trying to justify kind of inappropriate behavior sometimes.
SPEAKER_00:That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah, so to me, that's what I actually view as a real crash out, which I I've never done that.
SPEAKER_00:You're not lashing out at people, you're not hurting people.
SPEAKER_05:No, and and I think that that's always important, but then I also think that we've on the other end of the spectrum also normalized like protecting our peace, like in quotations, to the point where we just cut people off without actually dealing with our shit, and like we aren't taking accountability for the role that we're playing in hurting other people, like we just want to avoid it, which I see a lot even in like people who like emotionally eat or like like binge eating or um even using the gym as therapy. I think we actually talked about this when I was on the podcast before, because it's like one of my biggest pet peeves when people say, like, the gym is my therapy, and I'm like, it's not therapy, it's a nice outlet physically, but it doesn't help you emotionally regulate. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:Lifting weights to fight my demons.
SPEAKER_05:I like how Liam's like, it's too serious out there, and then I get serious.
SPEAKER_01:But it's serious though, and like I I mean, I think you definitely have a point where I think I think working out is one of those things amongst many that help you. I think it does kind of help you regulate emotions in that like things that are like stress relief, like talking with friends and all those things, they all sort of together help you regulate your emotions, but like it's not therapy, but it's not actual therapy that helps you work through traumatic experiences or whatever it is, right? Yeah, you know. So it's a little bit of both.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it's it's it's gotta be a varied approach. You need a diversified portfolio of things that keep you sane. And if if I honestly take a look at my life over the last eight or nine months, it's uh my portfolio has been shrinking a little bit, and it has directly correlated with my mental state. I I I need to diversify it a bit more and get back into being more mindful.
SPEAKER_05:Do you think it's like how much time you're spending on social media?
SPEAKER_00:That's definitely a part of it. Like the the the piece of social media that profits from us being really fucking angry all the time works even on the people who are here posting content. You know, it's like there is an industry of people that make us feel like shit to make us want to buy their shit. Like if it's if if you can make somebody feel like they need you or they need your product or you're living a better life than them, it's a lot easier to get people to open their wallets in fear than in a Joy. It's just like a psychological thing.
SPEAKER_05:I might be speaking for Liam on this one, but I remember like a while ago, Liam said that he switched his content from being like kind of correcting people to like happier stuff and noticed a big difference in the engagement and in like the people who are responding. And I mean, to me, like even I think I've found that when I'm very like when I'm vulnerable and relatable, like people do really like that. And then also when I'm really, really happy, people love that. Like they feel Marcine, they feel excited, they feel like they feel hopeful. And then a lot of the stuff that I share that's vulnerable and relatable, it's not crazy deep. Like it is stuff that's hard and it hurts and it's it's real, but it's not like rage baiting or anything like that. And I think that a lot of times, I I think maybe this is my perspective 100%. I don't know like what the actual data or what anything about this is. This is my just opinion. But I think that the rage baiting just seems louder, and like the meanness seems louder because it brings a lot of people who are just typically more opinionated, more angry, and a lot more people will like more actively comment on that than typically comment on happy things. Because this is, and like maybe this is another topic that I think is important to talk about, but we need to normalize like talking about things that we're really happy about and then like hyping things up because we're like we enjoy it, not just because we hate it and not just because we have a problem with it. And I think that's probably like part of the problem with like society is like we we everyone wants to be like, yeah, fuck those people. I fucking sucks. I hate this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's more normalized to do that than it is to be like, oh my god, this is so exciting! Like, this is so fun.
SPEAKER_01:I think that's part of human nature, right? To focus on the negative. I mean, at least it, I mean, I don't know, it kind of negativity bias. Yeah, where we just kind of focus on the things that are wrong. And when someone is being loud and we feel that they're wrong, then we we that draws reaction from us, right? Like from more people, and that's that's that's common. And so what I started like, yeah, I started doing videos where I was like trying to debunking stuff and whatever. And eventually I found I think what works best is just laughing, it's just laughing at these people that are just telling you all these things that are just like poison. I'm just like, okay, drink Diet Coke anyway, fuck out of here. Like, I think that just kind of brings some levity and helps you like, you know, it's it's all right. Like, hey, don't it, don't you know, it's as Scotty would say, right? It's not so it's not that serious. It's not that serious.
SPEAKER_00:Seeing the shift in your content to just like you will drop information and education in there, it's not like substanceless, it but it you seeing the levity that you're bringing and like seeing how goofy you've kind of become in in such an empowering way has made me realize, you know what? No, I don't have to go the way of everybody else to keep relevant here. Like I can go back to having fun and perhaps still keep an audience.
SPEAKER_01:I think people will feed off.
SPEAKER_00:That's played a role in this.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, I think people will feed off like that. That have like they if if you see someone having fun, you like you see like someone smiling and laughing. I would say most people, like there's people that are always just gonna be haters, like fuck them, who gives a shit? Um, but like I think most people like they see you having fun and that and that either like they feel more they feel more comfortable to have fun themselves or whatever, I I guess is maybe the thing, whereas like they see you having fun and they're like, okay, well, you know, like uh, you know, I it's okay for me to laugh and and laugh at this thing too and be silly and be goofy and all these things, and that's that's you know, I I I think that helps people. I don't I don't know. It's social media is a weird place and trying to, you know, communicate with people through these 40-second videos, right?
SPEAKER_00:It's not yeah, it's it it's it's been a struggle trying to keep up with it. And I was telling Alex, I was telling you this before. I don't I'm not an influencer, I'm just a coach that uses social media to reach people. Like I I don't consider myself to be a personality, I just happen to be seen by people, and it's uh doing the influencer stuff is stressing me out because it's not my fucking job.
SPEAKER_04:I think that means the influencer stuff.
SPEAKER_00:Like just trying to like you were saying before, like correcting people and getting angry and stuff, because I feel like that's what everybody wants. And I'm not here to give them what they want, I'm here to give them what they need.
SPEAKER_01:But you've done some videos where you've just been yourself and those do very and those have at least have done very well. And I think you can find an audience in just being who you are. Like that's what I do with my videos. It's like I'm just gonna be dumb and silly and everything like that, and maybe it won't connect with anyone, but I'll have fun doing it. And I did, and it connected with a lot of people, and I think that was the key is if you go out there and try and fake it till you make it or whatever, you just probably you might never make it because like you think people tell you're faking it the whole time.
SPEAKER_05:You just said something really interesting, which you basically said like you don't like what you're doing, and so why are you doing it? And like you're doing you're like, I'm doing it because they like that's and getting people what they want. Right. Yeah, yeah, you don't know what people want. You're just making an assumption based off of maybe partially data, based off of like engagement and stuff, but also like again, I like understanding that this is our job. So, yes, getting views, having your videos do well is still important, but also understanding that like if you don't like what you're posting, you're not gonna have longevity in it anyways, and you're gonna burn yourself out. And also, like, if you're not getting the business or you're not getting the conversion that you actually want, or even making the impact. Because also, to be fair, is that actually the impact that you want to be making? Like to be this negative person, and so if it's not, then don't do it.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. And it's uh just the other day I posted a video that was kind of like for me, what felt like the spiritual end of that era for me of trying to chase trends and and data and stuff like that. And I I I want to get back to what used to be fun, like I used to love this. That's what I'm saying. Like, uh I'm I'm back. I got rid of all the videos I saved, like all the things I was gonna react to, and I'm just like, I'm if I get 10 views on my next video, but I enjoy making it, it's it's better than what I'm doing now.
SPEAKER_01:But like here, okay, so like you you what you were saying, like I get what you're saying though, like you're chasing trends and stuff like that, because like you there are people that want that sort of stuff that really like uh the the controversy, you know, all like it can it can do very well, but it's just not worth it as like a toll on your mental health. So, like like you, the person you introduced us, I am grateful from last week. Like, he all he does is just yeah, every week, every like day, he's just like, I'm grateful for and what he said the video that blew up for him was he was grateful for muffins. Muffins.
SPEAKER_00:I'm grateful for something. Today dot i am dot grateful.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, and it's just like I'm grateful. And like that's something like what is like I good friend, right?
SPEAKER_00:Like, I think a lot of people would say today dot i today dot i am, so iam dot. I found him.
SPEAKER_05:I found him.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. It's just like I'm grateful to him. You'll see him immediately.
SPEAKER_01:That's like, hey, that's his thing. That's what's something he wanted to do, and it and it did and it works, and like it took a while. Like he said, he's he said he did a ton of videos where he's grateful for things and nothing happened, and then muffins happened, and you never know when muffins are gonna happen. It's crazy.
SPEAKER_05:Well, and the thing is too, like, even if you built your like, because the hard thing is obviously like we've built a following doing other things, and so when you've done that and you change your content, it's hard. And so reminding yourself too, like the engagement might not be there right away, and it might take some time before it is, because you're getting people used to a shift, but also you might even surprise yourself because I've seen some stuff that you've posted that it's kind of more back to your roots and it's still performed well. And then also, again, you have to ask yourself like this is kind of getting in the weeds of like business and stuff, but you also have to ask yourself, like, what is your overall objective with social media? Is it that you want to ultimately make money just from social media, or is it that you want to actually fuel your coaching business? Because if it's that you want to fuel your coaching business, you need to be educating people from a place that actually makes you an authority figure in the space and would actually make people want to work with you. And so it's important to remember that there is kind of like a balance between the two. And like, yes, you can definitely make content that might get more reach, but also again, like if you're not enjoying it or it's not fun for you, then like why are you gonna do it?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah. It was just trying to figure out can I get more views on this? Can I get more engagement on this? And it's I never posted anything intentionally like inflammatory, right? But it's there were things where I'm like, this is gonna make people angry, and I'm gonna be angry too, so we can be angry together.
SPEAKER_05:And I don't I don't actually mean fuck the views because it is important because obviously like people like Liam and Scotty, like they make a lot of their like a lot of the finances come from views.
SPEAKER_01:All pretty much all the money I make comes from views. I rarely do like brand deals or any coach, I don't do any coaching, it's just from views.
SPEAKER_05:It's important to like not be ignorant to that being like an important aspect of business.
SPEAKER_01:But at the same time, right?
SPEAKER_05:Yeah. But like you actually enjoy what you make. And then even like like even Scotty, like he obviously enjoys what he makes, and there's other creators like that who are like, no, I actually like enjoy making these kinds of videos. And if you're like, I want to do that, the other shitty truth of it is okay, then maybe you have to like spend some time eating shit, making a different style of video to then like have eventually something come off. But it's also important to recognize like that's not guaranteed. Yeah, people will be like, Oh, I I know the secret to going viral and I can always guarantee it.
SPEAKER_01:It's always bullshit. I love those videos because they always have like 30 likes and they're like with people who had they might have like 40,000 followers, which hey, that's great to have 40,000 followers, but you're like, you're teaching me who has like millions of followers to get more. Like, what do you do? I I feel like I'm doing okay. I don't need your help. Thank you for your email, but I will politely decline, you know.
SPEAKER_05:It is yeah, but it's also like don't don't like lose yourself to try to like appease everyone else. Yeah, I think that's like the most important thing.
SPEAKER_00:I I definitely did that, and I've not spoken about it yet or enough, and it's it's not been good for my my mental health. Because you guys met me when I was talking about that stuff on my page, and I people were responding to it well, you know, and then I just kind of like backed away from it. That's a whole other thing, but it's yeah, I I miss it a lot and I'm I'm excited to start doing it again, however it goes. Because at least I'll be me.
SPEAKER_05:I mean, the cool thing is too, you can always refine it. Like you can always like figure out like how can I make these videos a little bit better, how can I make them a little bit more engaging, but you're not gonna know until you start doing it. Because also, again, like literally, actually, like if you look at Liam's content versus Scotty's content, and even though I know we were joking about him earlier, but even like Michael's content, like they're all different, they're all vastly different. Like Liam does pretty much strictly response videos, and they're all like that. Scotty's heavily known for his mustache, so that definitely was like a big thing, but he popped off because of his cooking videos and because of the mustache, and then he started to like do a lot of other stuff and start to like bridge that gap. And then Michael just fucking sits there and talks, and so it's like literally, it's like he says good things. He does, it's it's very helpful stuff. He says it with conviction, and so it makes people engage, it makes people want to like listen. And so, but it's like everyone has their own thing, and so it's really important to remember that part of it too is like recognizing that you you also just need your own thing that you do, and that's gonna be okay, whatever it is.
SPEAKER_00:I'm gonna start making videos about menstrual cycles.
SPEAKER_05:That's my thing. Uh I don't even talk about menstrual cycles.
SPEAKER_00:I'm gonna do it better and more.
SPEAKER_05:Not a competition. Why are you competing? That's crazy.
SPEAKER_00:10 posts a day, James Coppola style.
SPEAKER_05:That's another example. James just fucking James Good Tommy, Tom, Tommy like just fucking puts out the hella videos too.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah.
SPEAKER_05:That was very called me to put Hella in there, but still. I haven't said that in forever. I was like, whoa. You the best. You the best.
SPEAKER_02:Yeah. I can't even do little John. And little John's not even though California.
SPEAKER_05:Yay! That's crazy. Um, but yeah, stop being so hard on yourself. That was that was literally my video today on my story, is about how part of the reason I lost myself so much for this year was because I was people pleasing. And I think that this is so important to remember is again, not to go on my little tangent, but we have we have a society that has a very hard victim mindset, and a lot of people don't want to take accountability for the role that they're playing in their own unhappiness. Being a people pleaser and you sacrificing yourself to appease others is your responsibility. You like you can be upset and like be hurt that maybe you didn't get the same value or the same love back. Yeah, like it's okay to feel hurt by it, but then you also have to take accountability for the fact that maybe they didn't ask for that. Because again, you don't know what these people are actually asking for, for one, but then two, if you're unhappy because of how you're showing up, then stop showing up that way.
SPEAKER_00:For those listening on the audio replay, I think my neck is gonna get thrown out from nodding so much because I'm just hearing straight truths. This is can I can I just drop one more suggestion to everybody here who's listening, if you're still here with us after all the dick jokes. Um, get yourself some fucking smart friends. I'm still working on that. But uh just get the face that you made should have been on a painting, a renaissance painting. I'm I agree. Like, don't look at me. I'm like, oh god, you do, yeah, you should do that. No, I I I am smarter friends than us. All three of us are in a a really wonderful position to be surrounded by incredible people who just have so many different areas of expertise and all just happen to have hearts of gold, and that's including you guys and including Rob. And it's it it's just I remember a time when I was doing this alone. I didn't have anybody like this, and the people I did have were not quite so connected. So I I I just I appreciate the advice and the uh the the reality checks and the um and everything. Like it's it is quite nice to get to have that open conversation with people that I know give a shit. You know?
SPEAKER_05:Of course. I mean, again, and I want to be clear, like you were literally there when I crashed out in June. Like, it's this is a constant life is a constant learning experience. And a lot of the stuff I say to you is stuff that like I've needed to hear in my life.
SPEAKER_01:Oh shit, yeah.
SPEAKER_05:And I think that like it that's always so important to remind other people of too, because a lot of times people want to be so hard on themselves and be like, oh, they give such good advice, they're so perfect. How do they have it all together? And it's like the reality is the majority of us who are putting that advice out online needed to hear that at least at some point, or maybe still need to hear it now.
SPEAKER_01:That's why my videos do well because I never have it together and I never do anything right. That's why people like my videos. Because I make something like this went really bad, like horror. I don't know what I did wrong, but most things clearly, and then people are like, Yeah, that's what I would do. That's making this makes sense. This makes sense.
SPEAKER_00:This is what I would do.
SPEAKER_05:And I'm like, people just want to know that they're not fucking alone.
SPEAKER_00:I like the funny manic cottage cheese man. I'm so disappointed that you like cottage cheese.
SPEAKER_01:I'm actually really upset about that. People tell me all the time, like, I forgot your name. I just looked up cottage cheese guy and I found you. No way.
SPEAKER_00:Are you coming up as cottage cheese guy?
SPEAKER_01:Oh, if you just look up cottage cheese guy, I'm like the first result. So yes, Alex, do the searching.
SPEAKER_05:I'm doing it right now.
SPEAKER_01:Oh, go right ahead. By all means. So that's how people have found my page. Many, many have told me this. Oh my god, you are the person who comes up. Yeah, it's just on the cottage cheese. I am c I am cottage cheese. You are a cottage cheese.
SPEAKER_05:Doing a response to that guy's video.
SPEAKER_01:I mean, it's there's there's a there's a bunch of them.
SPEAKER_00:I've yeah, uh yeah, that's oh that guy. If you take a little bit of this, one egg, and I rick one lemon, you get he makes good stuff. Everybody criticizes him for his voice, and it's not fair.
SPEAKER_01:Well, he does a lot of rage bait with the way he pronounces things, like tease tzai guy instead of tzatziki. So, like, fair. I get it. He should get flagged.
SPEAKER_05:That's crazy.
SPEAKER_01:It's like he's doing all of it on purpose because it's doing it all on purpose, creates engagement. Yeah, no, it's all engagement. That's what he's seeking right now. How do I get that fucking engagement bait?
SPEAKER_05:Y'all are crazy.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah. I don't know what that guy's at is, but shout out to him. Keto snacks? Keto snacks, yep.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, that was fast. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01:I think it's keto snacks. His name's Rick. I know I've I've gotten tagged in videos by him. Everything he posts. Yeah. But you know what else is crazy? How late it's getting. I think Alex might need to get some. He tried to get me off the podcast. It's way past her bedtime.
SPEAKER_00:Normally, Rob has cut us off by now. He's not here. Oh, really? Oh, that's funny.
SPEAKER_05:All right, let me just go. I don't know how long you guys go from your episodes.
SPEAKER_00:No, we we're all technically guests on this. Rob is in the producer chair. Um, Alex, uh, at the Alex Allen, where TikTok, Instagram, MySpace, where where can they find AOL?
SPEAKER_05:MySpace. AIM. Um Skype. Skype.
SPEAKER_00:What's that? I want to be the first sponsored athlete for Skype.
SPEAKER_04:I don't even think it exists anymore.
SPEAKER_00:They shut it down in May.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, did they actually?
SPEAKER_00:Oh, yeah, it's done. It's gone.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, I like how I just kind of had a I threw the that was like a Hail Mary right there.
SPEAKER_00:No, it's yeah, it's dead.
SPEAKER_05:Oh, okay. You can't get sponsored by them, sir. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_00:No. Um, and I guess to those people who don't know that Liam is one of the hosts of Inmoderation, where can they find it?
SPEAKER_05:Like, just post it on your story.
SPEAKER_01:Like, you can find me at your nearest DeLorean dealership desperately trying to talk them down to a reasonable price.
SPEAKER_00:Like, what about six thousand dollars cash right now in hand? I play hardball.
SPEAKER_05:You need to get a used one, okay. I'm gonna say this so strictly get a used one. If you get a new one, I won't be friends with you anymore because I'm gonna question your sanity for spending that much money.
SPEAKER_01:What if someone gives me a new one? They just give it to me.
SPEAKER_05:If you have, I would ask if they're single, if they're I'm just getting another gold digger. Um no, but I'd be like, who's giving you a DeLorean?
SPEAKER_01:I'm just I'm throwing hypothetical.
SPEAKER_05:I'm gonna be super honest. I don't think he has the money for this, so don't like don't go for him after the I say this, but I think Scotty would pop like potentially do something like that if you like asked him for a video, like we could get him to find one.
SPEAKER_00:Scotty just texted me now.
SPEAKER_05:I swear he's always asked.
SPEAKER_01:Ask him to do a GoFundMe for a DeLorean thing instead of give you some of the AHA money for a DeLorean thing. We just raised money.
SPEAKER_05:Because my friend wants a DeLorean, I think you would get like a lot of money.
SPEAKER_01:We we could probably raise at least$40,000 to get a used one.
SPEAKER_05:I think you could get a used DeLorean.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah. So for tell Scotty we're skipping the AHA thing and we're just trying to get Liam a DeLorean.
SPEAKER_05:Are you doing the AHA thing, Liam?
SPEAKER_01:I don't I've I have no idea what's going on with anything. Where is it? When is it? I don't know.
SPEAKER_05:It's two weeks, and they're like running. Oh wait, oh my god, are we not supposed to say what?
SPEAKER_00:I don't know if we can say it, but it's gonna be a big stunt.
SPEAKER_05:It's okay. Yeah, it's like two weeks later.
SPEAKER_00:As it stands now, if it doesn't change again, it's gonna be a big stunt.
SPEAKER_01:It'll be February, middle of February. Okay, so yeah, I've got time for at least for that to figure that shit out. So hopefully I'll text you about it.
SPEAKER_05:And then the the Arnold's like two weeks, like two weeks later. Oh shit.
SPEAKER_00:Damn.
SPEAKER_05:Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:We're gonna have a that's the destination rumors, but interesting.
SPEAKER_05:The Arnold's the destination. No, the Arnold's in March.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, never mind.
SPEAKER_05:Dallas. No, Dallas.
SPEAKER_00:What's happening in Dallas?
SPEAKER_05:Dallas, the AHA head corners, is what the destination is.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, it was there's a there's some kind of fitness event happening there. Let's this is I don't know if we can this is all classified information. I have Mike needs a plan.
SPEAKER_05:I like when you keep saying more information and then you're like classified, and I'm like, here are the coordinates.
SPEAKER_00:Here are the exact dates. Oh, wait, Scotty just sent me a voice message. I don't know what's in it, so I probably can't play it.
SPEAKER_05:I was about to say, are you gonna fucking play it on the podcast?
SPEAKER_00:Let me check the transcription.
SPEAKER_05:I was gonna say there's a transcript.
SPEAKER_00:Oh, this is actually very good news, what he said to me. This is very, very good.
SPEAKER_05:Is it about the AHA thing?
SPEAKER_00:It is not about the uh the AHA.
SPEAKER_05:Is it about the DeLorean?
SPEAKER_00:It's about the DeLorean thing. It's about being kind to yourself, is what he said. Oh no, were you asking?
SPEAKER_05:Did you just happen? Does he did he happen to text you about that, or did you text him because you were crashing out?
SPEAKER_00:No, him and I were having a conversation. He's this totally separate of anything we talk about.
SPEAKER_05:Because he did a weekly check-in. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00:We were just chatting.
SPEAKER_05:I'm the girl on the weekly check-in.
SPEAKER_00:You're on the bro check-in. Hell yeah, bro. Oh shit. There's balloons. I can't do that. I'm always the bro.
SPEAKER_05:I don't know.
SPEAKER_00:Perfect for visual medium. Thank you for joining us for another wonderful episode of In Moderation. We've got the Alex Allen. Mike needs a plan, Liam Blade. Thank you for listening to us once again. Subscribe. Check out.
SPEAKER_02:Live long and prosper.
SPEAKER_00:Live long and prosper. Don't be your worst. K bye. Be kind to yourself. Don't be a dick.
SPEAKER_05:Especially to yourself.
SPEAKER_00:Especially to yourself.
SPEAKER_05:Don't be a are you just continuing to say stuff until I get off? Is that what I need to do? Can we combine all of them? Yeah.
