We Set The Record For Most Topics In A Single Episode

A joke about “fighting bears” turns into something real: how much of life gets traded away chasing better stories, tighter routines, and shinier promises. We open with the viral “bleed-out spot” aesthetic and use it as a lens for longevity culture, where anti-aging hacks, young plasma myths, and sterile living rooms collide with a simple question—if you add years at the cost of living them, what exactly did you buy.

From there, we zoom into a different kind of mythmaking: the DeLorean EV lawsuit and the power of vaporware. It’s the same pattern you see in wellness and tech grifts—slick renders, bold timelines, and not enough receipts. We talk due diligence, why audited data beats viral reels, and how to protect your attention and your wallet. Along the way, we still make room for chaos: the largest animal you could actually beat, a giraffe vertebrae fact that lands, and the cathartic humor that keeps us moving.

The tone shifts as we tackle ICE, masks, and accountability. We separate identity from party and ask for outcomes over jerseys: transparency, oversight, and an honest look at who keeps our cities running. If the fear is taxes, legalize contribution. If the fear is jobs, follow the labor data where deportations hit and yields fell. Then we contrast outrage trends with policy wins in food access—Canada’s grocery support and SNAP multipliers that make healthy choices easier, not just preachier. It’s not as clicky as “red dye panic,” but it moves metrics that matter: heart health, metabolic risk, real-world weight stability.

We wrap on AI calorie apps, sponsorship moral math, and a standing offer to test tools honestly with no scripts. Through every zig and zag, the throughline holds: evidence over aesthetic, access over ego, and humor that lets us face hard news without going numb. Hit play for sharp takes, absurd detours, and a reminder that a better life beats a better headline.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Bear Fights And Bleed-Out Spots
• 3:23 Hosts Reunite And Legacy Episode Praise
• 4:08 On Waiting For Verified Receipts About Scotty
• 5:19 Longevity Culture And Young Blood Claims
• 9:53 DeLorean EV Lawsuit And Vaporware
• 12:48 What Animal Could You Actually Beat
• 17:38 Giraffe Vertebrae And Accidental Learning
• 19:28 Crossing 666k Downloads And Music Bits
• 20:58 Speaking Up On ICE, Accountability, And Labels
• 27:43 Immigrants, Work, And Who Keeps Cities Running
• 31:23 Food Policy: Canada, SNAP, And Access
• 34:28 Grifts, Gadgets, And AI Calorie Apps
• 38:58 Whale Explosions And Enema Nonsense
• 42:18 Community Meetup And Closing Bits

Transcript

Bear Fights And Bleed-Out Spots

SPEAKER_05 0:18

Well, see, this is why I plan to, you know, when I'm ready to go, I'm gonna go out into the forest and just start fighting bears. Then I nobody has to worry about it, you know, there's no cost. Here's the sad thing, though.

SPEAKER_03 0:31

You find no bears and then you just slowly die of like dehydration or hunger or whatever. Like that's a shitty, like at least if you die by a bear, that's kind of a fun story. But it's like Rob died from hunger when he was looking for bears to fight. Like that's the headline is so much worse.

SPEAKER_02 0:47

Is he committing to staying out there until he finds a bear?

SPEAKER_03 0:51

Because why would he turn around? You find no bears. What if there's like one of those classic Canadian forest fires? And it's like Rob burned to death in a forest fire trying looking for bears to fight. I guess dying.

SPEAKER_05 1:06

And again, nobody has to worry about the burying and the funeral cuts. No, that's true.

SPEAKER_03 1:12

But like you want a story, like have you seen those videos that have gone viral now? Like 10 out of 10 bleed out spots. I've been loving those videos. Those are my favorite, where it's like he shows, and it's just like a stream, and there's a waterfall, and like birds are flying over, and it's just like this is where you bleed out and die. Like this, and it's like what essential guy show where you're like, oh, if I bled out fighting for my life, this is where I'd want it to be.

SPEAKER_02 1:36

The Mike Erman trout way of just sitting on a rock and watching the creek go by.

SPEAKER_03 1:42

There's like snow crackling, and just like it's just perfect. I'm like, you know what? I fucking love those videos. I can't lie, I love those videos. That's what that's what Rob's.

SPEAKER_05 1:53

Uh Liam and Mike are actually here this time.

SPEAKER_02 1:56

We are back. Rob, can we just talk really quick about how great that episode was that you did? I'm kind of glad that I lost track of time and Liam's got a crazy life because you made something that is like I I referred to it as legacy content. Something that I would like refer to a year from now and say, like, if you're feeling down about you know social anxiety or whatever, listen to this episode with Rob. Because he's he's gonna make you feel less alone.

SPEAKER_05 2:26

Liam doesn't even know I did it.

SPEAKER_03 2:27

I've only listened to Paw Patrol and whatever else Oakley listens to. That's all I've I've not listened to anything of relevance to me. It has all been child things. Now we finally have child care starting tomorrow, and I will finally have just like a little bit of a break, and it's gonna be amazing.

SPEAKER_05 2:47

Yeah, I didn't even tell these guys that I did it. Mike found out in the morning when he apparently he listens to the podcast.

SPEAKER_02 2:55

I listen to the ones I'm not on.

SPEAKER_03 2:57

I gotta see what shit's getting.

SPEAKER_05 2:58

That's fair.

Hosts Reunite And Legacy Episode Praise

SPEAKER_03 2:59

I thought Rob went off to fight bears and die in a bleed-out spot, but like I was like, oh, yeah, but then I decided, well, maybe I'll put out an episode. Maybe. There's oh no, he's playing Power World. He's fine.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

I just saw him log on. I guess he must have fought a bear.

SPEAKER_03 3:16

He won against the bear. He's good. It's fine. They have healthcare in Canada, so that's the thing. It's like you win against the bear, you're fine. They'll patch you up, you know.

On Waiting For Verified Receipts About Scotty

SPEAKER_05 3:25

Exactly. Yeah. But yeah, I I wanted to say two things at the start, which was one of them was um that yeah, there was uh there was a lot of uh positive feedback about last episode. Um so I just want to say thank you to people. And the other thing is to just address the elephant in the room. We know that everybody is waiting for us to speak about Scotty, especially since uh we were the first podcast that he was ever on. Back when he was what, 10 10,000 followers? Um I just want to say anybody that has watched my content, you understand that I put a lot of effort into research. I spend hours going over things, making sure that I have the right factual data, assessing all the sides before I say anything. And that extends to anything that involves people as well. I am waiting for validation of any of the documents and stuff that have been put out. Nobody has validated them. And until then, I have nothing to say, and we should all be actually looking into it. That's the way it is supposed to work.

SPEAKER_02 4:44

I I really think that the elephant sort of ties the room together. Don't you think? It's a joke about it. I just got that. I just got that. Yeah, it took me a second because Canadian. You can cut out the 38-second pause and post.

Longevity Culture And Young Blood Claims

SPEAKER_05 4:59

Yeah, we'll be good. But speaking of um, speaking of you know uh things like that, how about uh Peter Atya and um Brian Johnson?

SPEAKER_02 5:12

And we're just home running getting on the front page of TMZ on this one, aren't we? Yeah, let's talk about them. Do you want to talk about the the longevity extension methods that these people use? Or that they try to use, like the the young blood transfusions. I don't even know. It's it's oh god, it's such a hard topic to touch. Do you do you know about this? What Brian Johnson of uh famously of the Epstein files?

SPEAKER_05 5:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:39

Is is so this guy, he's uh uh like a longevity expert or something. He's intending on the case.

SPEAKER_05 5:45

Yeah, specifically Brian Johnson, the longevity guy, not Brian Johnson liver king.

SPEAKER_02 5:50

Oh, is that his name?

SPEAKER_05 5:51

Yeah, they're both Brian Johnson.

SPEAKER_02 5:52

Why did it not occur to me that like roll call in school for him wouldn't have been King liver?

SPEAKER_05 5:58

Uh maybe it should have been.

SPEAKER_02 6:00

It should have been.

SPEAKER_05 6:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:02

But yeah, based on the unproven idea that infusing plasma from young individuals can reduce age or reverse aging, this practice was offered by clinics charging large sums until the FDA warned against its use in 2019. The idea is derived from experimental rodent studies which have not been translated to humans. So I think he what he harvests his son or something.

SPEAKER_03 6:25

Something about his son and his blood, and he uses that to stay young. That's about that's about what I know. And he doesn't eat processed food. That's about my knowledge with it.

SPEAKER_02 6:34

I've got a theory on this guy. I think I don't hope this happens, but I I irony would dictate that he dies in a car crash at like 59. He's trying to make it to 100 for context. It could be.

SPEAKER_03 6:50

He just does freeze in real life sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. No, he's fine. See, there you go. There we go. He's okay. He's fine. Yeah, the longevity stuff, I don't know, it's just so like exhausting. I there's there's no way any of those things, I'm like, I'll implement like one percent of them, like the simple stuff, and there's just there's no way I can feasibly do any of that stuff.

SPEAKER_05 7:14

It's just a case of um you were you were spending so much time and money and effort doing this stuff to extend your life, but are you actually living?

SPEAKER_02 7:24

It's the the ways that they live feel like a disease of some kind, like a like psychosis or whatever. Their homes are like you know, just like sterile chambers. They've got everything in like weird packaging and lighting and everything, trying to kill microbes or whatever. At what point are you like lowering your immune response by doing too much, getting rid of too many microbes? Well, we'll find out when uh Brian Johnson gets hit.

SPEAKER_03 7:53

Gets hit by a car and then they do an autopsy.

SPEAKER_02 7:55

Exactly. Yeah, like this guy had no bacteria in his body at all. That's not good.

SPEAKER_05 8:02

Wouldn't that be just the tip of the if he got hit by a DeLorean?

SPEAKER_02 8:07

If he had been hit by now, why is it that we're mentioning a DeLorean? So let me just for first-time listeners, let me explain. Oh yeah, the uh the DeLorean, like that company got sued. I just I texted you guys about that a few.

SPEAKER_03 8:22

Yeah, I was watching some of it, I was trying to watch some of that, but then yeah, Oakley started screaming at me, so I couldn't watch the whole thing. But basic, but yeah, like I know they got sued for like I don't remember exactly how much, but it makes it look like it's it's not looking so good because it's already the car was like already supposed to be out and it's not.

SPEAKER_02 8:39

Yeah, for the price of like 25 DeLoreans, uh that's that's what they're facing right now. 4.6 million dollar judgment over the Alpha 5, the EV pitched by a San Antonio firm. Now, mind you, this car does not look like the DeLorean. I I don't know why I never looked it up. We've we mentioned every week. It's it's got the Goldwing doors, but beyond that, it's not like what is the lawsuit exactly? Um, I didn't look much further into it.

SPEAKER_03 9:12

They just sued. All we know is that we got that, and that's bad.

DeLorean EV Lawsuit And Vaporware

SPEAKER_02 9:17

And I was like, you know what? This seems important to send to the boys, and um, I didn't look into what it was. Well, okay. Okay, it over claims that it and a San Antonio-based partner failed to pay for work done to reimagine the famed car as an electric vehicle called Alpha 5. So, yeah, it's it's just that it was never worked on, I guess.

SPEAKER_05 9:38

They just never did it. They're getting sued because it was never worked on.

SPEAKER_02 9:43

Yeah, that seems to be it.

SPEAKER_03 9:45

Wait, so like maybe it's just the electric version, so it's like because it's a is it because it's I remember seeing like it's not electric, so I don't know. They're they're in some hot water or some hot electricity.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

Yeah, it was said to have been based on a concept for a model that the original DeLorean Motor Company had before going bankrupt in '82. Uh there was a DeLorean concept car showcased in 2022 by the San Antonio car uh company at a car show in Pebble Beach, California. Uh, despite claims that the car would be in production by 2023, a final model and official pricing have not been announced. Okay. So I I guess it's just not coming. What are we going to do with all the money we've raised? Well, longevity stuff.

SPEAKER_05 10:28

You know, you know, Alex Allen was supposed to be on this episode, but uh these two were a little late today. Um Preston Pete. I was sitting here when she popped in and she was like, God damn, I hate that Liam and Mike. I hope they never get a DeLorean. So this is Alex's fault.

SPEAKER_02 10:45

What? Alex Allen, my goodness, how dare you? Why would she want to crush our dreams like that?

SPEAKER_04 10:53

Because you didn't show up.

SPEAKER_02 10:54

I I I was doing stuff. I'm battling a two-year-old. I'm losing. I was in the woods fighting bears. I couldn't come back inside until I fought one.

SPEAKER_03 11:03

Let me ask you something, guys. I want to forget like what the whole podcast is supposed to be about, or whatever. Who cares? Um, like what's the biggest animal you think you could you could legitimately beat in a fist fight? And like you beat about.

SPEAKER_02 11:17

I don't think I could. Uh a surly enough dog could probably take me down. Yeah, dogs are rough. Like you're like a pit bull or something. I don't think I could.

SPEAKER_03 11:25

There are guys that are like, I could fight a gorilla. No, you couldn't. Oh no, you die. You couldn't fight a chimpanzee, let alone a gorilla.

SPEAKER_02 11:32

Oh, they're so strong. Yeah, they're like three feet tall, but they can like lift a truck.

SPEAKER_05 11:37

I don't want to mess with that. The real thing is that whenever people get into fights, they think they have to like do a boxing match or something.

SPEAKER_03 11:46

Right.

SPEAKER_05 11:47

And the real answer is you take your thumbs and you go straight for the eyes. What if you're fighting a speed? Instead of that, you can disable for the most part something that you are fighting. Rob, have you seen but I've been like this far from a moose in person.

SPEAKER_02 12:05

Are they are they really that big?

SPEAKER_05 12:07

Oh yeah. Yeah, if you hit one with a car, you are uh well, you'd be better off fighting the bear.

SPEAKER_02 12:12

Liam, uh, clarifying question. When you say what animal do you think we could fight, do we have to win?

What Animal Could You Actually Beat

SPEAKER_03 12:19

Yeah, no, I'm saying what obviously I could fight any animal and lose. I'd fight an elephant and lose quite easily. A lion, I'll lose no problem. But what animal would you come out as the victor? Like, what's the largest animal you I like? I think I could beat a house cat. Like, let's say I get scratched up and whatnot. I feel like I could, I could I could choke a house cat out if I needed to. But not that we want to.

SPEAKER_02 12:43

Not that we want to if if somehow it was you know, we find out that like Hitler was reincarnated as a cat.

SPEAKER_03 12:50

You know, it's you or this animal, you're in a room for some reason. Lion, you die, house cat you win. Where is the middle? Where is the where's the middle ground?

SPEAKER_02 12:59

So I saw a bobcat once in the wild, and I thought to myself, and it was very far away and relatively small. And I'm like, that I feel like that's got enough muscle to do something bad to me. But it's I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 13:12

Because I've seen like how big is like a lynx? It's like is that that's a type of cat, like it's a type of cat. Yeah. Oh, that's that it depends on the type of lynx. I feel like we're doing a fucking whatchamacallit, um, a Monty Python of the Holy Grail. You know, they're just like which type of swallow? The Eastern European swallow. It's like anywhere between 18 and 66 pounds. Like, I feel like I could beat up there's like um Canadian lynx lynx. A Canadian lynx is 18 to 24 pounds. I feel like I got a shot against that. Yeah, you can kick it. I feel like I got a shot against that. You might be able to pin it down. And like there's other animals that are like more dull, like an anteater. I don't feel like an anteater would really like you another bigger, but like, what are they gonna do? Lick me?

SPEAKER_02 13:59

Yeah, I don't know if they've got teeth or if they're even aggressive.

SPEAKER_03 14:04

How do they even survive? Wait, how do anteaters even survive and not just get eaten all the time? That's I don't understand that. Well, there's no anteater eaters out there. I guess uh there's no predators for the anteater.

SPEAKER_05 14:16

Okay, so that is uh phallic though. If we're talking sheer size, the question is where exactly on the neck do you choke out a giraffe?

SPEAKER_03 14:23

Oh you know, here's the real question. Forget that. How many vertebrae do you think a giraffe has? How many vertebrae? I'm gonna make sure.

SPEAKER_02 14:30

All right, you're getting the right answer here.

SPEAKER_03 14:32

Making sure I have it. Yeah, it's like 384. What is it?

SPEAKER_05 14:37

384.

SPEAKER_03 14:39

Vertebrae? You think they have 384 vertebrae in their neck?

SPEAKER_02 14:43

It would sound like you crushed a bag of chips if you shook that thing around. There are too many bones.

SPEAKER_03 14:48

Here's for reference: a human has seven vertebrae. How many do you think a giraffe has?

SPEAKER_02 14:52

This is one of those things where I fear that it's it's like, what if it's a trick question and like we have more and they have like four?

SPEAKER_03 15:01

You think they have like one vertebrae?

SPEAKER_02 15:02

Like it's just a giant one fucking bone, just a giant bone, dunk like a finger, you know.

SPEAKER_05 15:08

Um what if it's no vertebrae? It's just an inflatable sack. You can't break a giraffe's neck.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

I've seen the giraffe skeleton. No, they definitely have them. What is a vertebrae? Let me look this up first.

SPEAKER_03 15:22

Like, hold on, what is that? I don't know what that is. Is that like a Virginia slim? Like, what is a vertebrae?

SPEAKER_02 15:28

Wait a second. The answer is zero, Liam.

SPEAKER_03 15:31

They have zero vertebrae.

SPEAKER_02 15:33

There's just because each of the vertebrae is each of the series of small bones forming the backbone.

SPEAKER_03 15:38

It also goes up to the it goes from the back to the so there's like the thoracic portion or whatever, there's the lumbar portion, then there's the I didn't haven't taken to fucking A and P in a long time. But like, where's the how many things in the next neck portion?

SPEAKER_02 15:54

I've not considered that the back of the giraffe or the spine goes all the way up. It well I thought it like stopped at the base.

SPEAKER_03 16:02

And then he was just like a wacky wavy and inflatable or inflatable tube man from that point on where it's just like air being blown up. Inflatable sack. You think it's an inflatable sack? Okay, so your guesses are zero. Your guesses are it had zero vertebrae, just to be clear. I just want to make sure I'm clear on this.

SPEAKER_01 16:18

No, okay.

SPEAKER_03 16:19

If we're talking about like like neck sections, and then just the neck section, how much vertebrae does it draft? That's all I want. It's his answer to, and you guys are giving me fucking dick around answers.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

It's not that hard. My answer is 12. I'm gonna say there's 12 in there.

SPEAKER_03 16:33

And Rob, are you sticking with 384, or would you like to alter that a bit?

SPEAKER_05 16:37

Okay, we'll we'll go with uh 22.

SPEAKER_03 16:39

Okay, the answer is seven, it's the same number as a human. Okay, that's it. Oh, same number. Same number. Humans have seven, so do giraffe. I remember that because I was like, I remember they have the same number as a human, and I was like, Wow the fuck does that happen? There's just gigantic, they're just huge versus 384.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

Clearly, they're they're not sending prices right up to Canada, otherwise, you'd know that that would be an unwise guess. Seven. Okay. You know, this might be the first time we've ever taught anybody anything on in moderation. Everybody out there listening right now. Well, show's over.

SPEAKER_05 17:12

We've done our job.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

We did it. It took us 384 episodes to get to the question on everybody's.

SPEAKER_03 17:20

You said we reached, didn't we reach like 666,000 like?

SPEAKER_04 17:24

Yes, we have we have made we have made it to 666,000 downloads.

SPEAKER_03 17:29

So that's what I'm saying. Like, we're and now we're throwing this under the fucking bus with what we're doing right now. I don't I don't I don't love that. I felt like we did pretty well. I was feeling pretty good. 69,000 downloads. Now we're sitting here at 666.

SPEAKER_05 17:43

Oh, sorry, no, we just ticked over 667. Fuck.

SPEAKER_03 17:48

Man, we barely have any time to like revel in the in the the hell we're going to. I feel like I've been fine trying to find ways like because I jam out in like my videos to music, and I'll be like, what can I play? American Idiot by Green Day. That seems like on par. Or like Highway to Hell by ACDC. I'm like, let me fix some things that are a little like you know, relate to what I feel like are occurring events.

SPEAKER_02 18:11

You've been you've been speaking out on some important stuff lately.

SPEAKER_03 18:15

I I've been fucking just it's that's what this is one of those things where I'm just like, how do you like okay? No, let me just go out of my life. Wait, what happened? Uh children tear ghast? Okay. No, um, I'm just gonna make things with cottage cheese anyway. Like, that's just kind of like that's tough to do. So, like, I I have I feel like I would at least need to acknowledge what's going on and be like, this this is not good. Like, can we at least talk about I don't know. It's tough to just like, oh, let me continue on, like nothing's happening.

SPEAKER_05 18:45

Yeah, it's not been funny.

SPEAKER_03 18:51

Yeah, I get that from the from the Canadians and the and even the especially especially the Germans. Actually, no, like the Germans of all people are like, hey, wait, hold on a second.

SPEAKER_02 19:00

I'm like, I I I I trust their radar.

Crossing 666k Downloads And Music Bits

SPEAKER_05 19:04

But yeah, it no, and in all seriousness, I'm gonna say it. From my perspective outside the US, I'm looking at these ICE guys and I'm like, um, so how are they different from the SS?

SPEAKER_03 19:16

Well, they haven't gotten to the point at like the height of you know the Nazi Party, but mass police force shooting civilians also.

SPEAKER_05 19:27

How is it legal that they have police on their uniform?

SPEAKER_03 19:30

Because they are they're because aren't they I don't even know like they're they're are they they're police, right? Like they are no technically aren't they like border agents? They are border agents, but isn't that but they if they have police, there's gotta be like some there's gotta be like a section of this that's makes them able to do that. I don't know. They're like they're a mass police force that seems to be like controlled, I don't know, completely controlled by the president.

SPEAKER_05 19:58

It sounds a lot like uh impersonating an officer to me.

SPEAKER_02 20:02

Well the people that are in charge of holding them accountable for this want them to do it. So it's that everybody's like, well, where's the where's the accountability? Where are the is the punishment? Well the they're the people who dole it out. They're not gonna punish themselves.

SPEAKER_03 20:19

Yeah, I'm not like they're just federal officers, not police officers. They're just federal officers, immigration officers, right? Obviously.

SPEAKER_05 20:27

I'm not sure how your um your system works, but isn't your police like municipal? Yes, there's municipal and state. So yeah, it sounds like it sounds to me like they're impersonating officers.

Speaking Up On ICE, Accountability, And Labels

SPEAKER_03 20:39

I find just the masked part of it crazy. That's the one of the craziest things to me that you can just like cover your face and so people don't know. That's that's wild. Like, we went from like, hey, police need to have body cams so we can see what's going on, to you can't film us and we're gonna cover our identities. That's a fucking jump right there. Whoa. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:03

Like, imagine if the Democrats had done this. Yeah, what the response would be from the right if there were masked agents out in the streets killing American citizens indiscriminately.

SPEAKER_03 21:16

But I mean, you know, they're also um, you know, the the right wanted you know, immigrants, most of them, I don't say most of them, but they wanted the quote unquote the bad ones gone, right? So as long as they're doing like that perceive that they're doing that, then some people are happy with it. And it's just like so. This is what I've been seeing is that the you know, like Obama deported this many people. Like, this is what I keep seeing from like the the right side. And it's like, yeah, no, like he deported a lot of people, but he also deported most people at the border, which is kind of what I feel like ICE should be doing is like at the border deporting people, not so much in you know, Minneapolis. Like that's like that's yeah, what he doesn't like the governor there. I think that might be a piece of it. Or they're talking about how many people have died um in custody under Obama, like what over over like the immigrants that died in In custody during his presidency. But that was over eight years, and it was like what I don't remember the exact number, it was like 50 something. But Trump has only had like the this one year, and they're comparing it to that. It's like, well, that was eight years versus one.

SPEAKER_02 22:37

And it's when they bring uh when they bring that up as an argument, are they saying that it was bad when Obama did it, but it's fine when Trump did it? Because it's not good for either of them. Right. Exactly. And that's what we're saying.

SPEAKER_05 22:48

Like it's two things can be true at once. They're both bad.

SPEAKER_02 22:52

I uh just for you know for clarity on on the podcast, I am not a Democrat. Yeah, I am also not a Republican. I I I think you know you want to talk about zero vertebrae, we'll talk about the Democratic Party who's not doing jack shit uh to stop this. And I'm Canadian, so I'm neither. It was you don't have a dog in the race.

SPEAKER_03 23:11

56 Americans died.

SPEAKER_05 23:15

But um on Mike's way too many. Actually, um I hate, I absolutely hate that you know, we all we always have people that are like, I'm uh Democrat, I'm Republican, I'm conservative, I'm liberal, blah, blah, blah, blah. No, you're not. No, you're fucking not. You are not a political party. You are a voter, and you should be an informed voter. And that means learning and going over every single thing that every single party does, not just assigning yourself a label based on one party. You're not a political party, you're a voter.

SPEAKER_03 23:51

Yeah. And and that's what I've been trying to get through over my videos, is just like, hey, it doesn't matter where where you fall on this. Like, I really hope we can at least the core basics, like, hey, this this thing that happened is bad. Can we at least start there? Because I feel like if I meet people there, then hopefully you can find some sort of middle ground there. And that's my idea. But you know, fuck it, who knows?

SPEAKER_02 24:15

Like, how do you how you I tried to make my message just as human forward as I could. Right. It wasn't like, you know, fuck these people in particular. It was just like this is what is happening right now is the stuff that we've eulogized in museums, and it it's that that's that shouldn't have a political party, and if it does, you've got to figure out what your affiliation is and why. Well, that offends me that you're comparing something here to that. Well, okay, well, why does it look so damn similar?

SPEAKER_05 24:45

Why exactly are we afraid of illegal immigrants in the first place?

SPEAKER_03 24:48

Brown. I think well, they the whole is they take American jobs, right? And you know, then obviously we go to like, well, they're doing jobs that I certainly want to wouldn't want to do, and they get the amount that they get paid for, or that they are somehow more violent, which I have from the research I've seen, they're not more violent. If anything, they're less violent. But show me some, you know, like I could be wrong.

SPEAKER_05 25:14

Because like the idea of an illegal immigrant is kind of insane to me. Like, you're worried about them not paying taxes. Okay, well then just make them a citizen so they can pay taxes. They still worried about them taking jobs. The jobs, if they're taking jobs, then the jobs are clearly there. Like they're not being filled.

SPEAKER_03 25:32

I remember Alabama tried to get rid of a lot of their immigrants, and their farming industry suffered so real bad. Like it was really bad. They could not hire Americans to do the work that immigrants were doing, at least not for the pay that they were getting. And they were kind of just went back and they're like, oh shit, that didn't work.

SPEAKER_02 25:51

Have you guys ever experienced a trash strike? A trash strike? Like the people that handle trash, like going on a strike and being gone for a day or two?

SPEAKER_03 26:01

Oh no, I don't think I I don't think I've ever experienced that. Have you have I'm guessing you have? Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:08

And first off, every day anytime I saw it happen, I'm like, hell yeah, brothers. You know, hold the line, don't come back. It's totally good. Um because they deserve the world. The people that keep our our environment clean are heroes, really. And it it it it piles up very fast, and you start to think like, wow, this is clearly an operation that's happening under our noses at all times. And uh where I live, a lot of the people that do it are not legally here. But meanwhile, they're like keeping everything running, they're preventing mountains of trash from being everywhere, and probably not getting paid damn near enough to do it. Like, what are we gonna give that to the the guy in a brand new Ford F-150 with a Trump flag hanging off the back? Like, he wants that job? I don't think so. Yeah, he's got you know six figures bullying people and sexually harassing the secretary. He's not going out on the street to clean up trash.

SPEAKER_03 27:08

I love how we look at the bleed out spot to like what animal could you fight with your fists to like man, this country, what the fuck's going on? Well, with ice out there, we've talked every about everything but food and exercise.

Immigrants, Work, And Who Keeps Cities Running

SPEAKER_05 27:24

Well, if we want to talk about food and about how your country's going to hell, um you know, I'd like to point this out while you guys are like uh demonizing Red 40 and uh making sure people get some beef tallow in their diet and inverting the food pyramid. Uh, you know what Canada did? Canada passed a new some new legislature to make groceries more accessible for low-income families. Commies. Wow, terrible.

SPEAKER_04 28:06

What you saying? Just might.

SPEAKER_02 28:08

Yeah, and that's Colorado tried something similar to that. I think I mentioned it on the food pyramid episode where they had incentivized certain healthier options at the grocery store by having snap benefits count twice as much towards Yeah, like that's something that's very reasonable and something on that like you could implement that in a not maybe not easily, but easier than a lot of the other options that you've got.

SPEAKER_05 28:32

I mean, we just did it at the federal level. Wasn't even a province, it was the federal level.

SPEAKER_02 28:37

All the U.S. has to do is pick and choose what policies they like from all of the rest of the countries that have this up and running and are not struggling. They don't even have to come up with their own system, just what works from here, what has been tested from here, and what has succeeded here. Take it all and use it. We've got the tax, we've got the structures. It's just a matter of people in charge wanting to give up a second or third yacht to allow us to do it.

SPEAKER_05 29:02

I don't know. That second yacht is uh you know the first yacht you buy.

SPEAKER_03 29:08

No, you're just kinda listening they combine the yachts into one mega yacht. It's not like they get two yachts, they just stay. They evolved. Like the Transformers. It's like a Pokemon evolution. Yeah, you guys remember Transformers, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:22

You know who makes a really good yacht? The DeLorean Motor Company. The new electric vehicle mega yacht is coming out.

SPEAKER_03 29:30

Oh, they just got sued too. I see it. Damn. That's obvious. Damn.

SPEAKER_05 29:33

I want to see a DeLorean yacht. The decides just and you can walk in.

SPEAKER_03 29:38

Bay doors that are like 300 feet long. Oh, you ever see the story of like the there's a there was a person who like sold investors on a new like supercar that was gonna like revolutionize things and it wasn't even real? They like showed it and it was just like held together. Like they showed it from afar, and it was never even a real car. They just got a ton of investors and then just tried to bail. This worked. And it well, eventually they got in a lot of trouble. I think they went to jail. But for a while it worked, and they got a lot of money. And you know, for part of me is just like, well, they got a bullish money for rich people who thought they were getting some super awesome car. Like, I don't know if I feel like in terms of crime, do I feel like that badly for that one?

SPEAKER_02 30:19

Yeah, my sympathy is limited. What I'm hearing is that we've got a blueprint, right? And we've we see where the first one went wrong. I think we take from their mistakes and we launch our own car.

SPEAKER_05 30:32

Yeah, the Lorien.

SPEAKER_02 30:34

The Lorien.

unknown 30:36

Right?

SPEAKER_02 30:37

The Lorien. It's the inmoderation, the Lorien. And um, yeah, I initial public offers going out this Friday. We're valued at$200 billion.

SPEAKER_05 30:50

Mike, did you move the mic away from your dress for the job you want, not the job you have? That's my problem. I'm always wearing these tattered sweaters.

SPEAKER_02 30:59

Well, you want the job of fighting bears. Yeah, I can't fight it.

SPEAKER_05 31:02

This is true.

Food Policy: Canada, SNAP, And Access

SPEAKER_03 31:03

Forget like logging and you know, crab fisherman is a dangerous job. Bear fighter has got to be pretty high up there. What would be the benefit of bear?

SPEAKER_02 31:13

So, like, you know, any job in society needs to have like something that people want as a result from it.

SPEAKER_03 31:18

Did you just ask what's the benefit of bear fighter? Yes. What are we like again with the trash people?

SPEAKER_02 31:24

They're moving trash. When you go to like, you know, get a coffee, the barista meets you come up with it.

SPEAKER_03 31:31

What's the benefit of this punching a bear in the face? What do you get from it that comes out of this?

SPEAKER_01 31:37

What service is being provided? Are we protecting people from the bears? Are the bears closing in? Is this a security service?

SPEAKER_03 31:45

My brain immediately went to like fucking this is pure entertainment. Like you were talking, you're talking ancient Rome, like throw them in the chat, yeah, throw them all together, watch them fight. Like that's where that's where I was at.

SPEAKER_02 31:59

Because that may okay, so it's entertainment then.

SPEAKER_03 32:02

It's entertainment, and you're just like, what benefit can we get from punching bears in the face?

SPEAKER_02 32:07

Initially, Rob was saying he was gonna go to the woods. I don't think there's gonna be much of an audience in the woods.

SPEAKER_03 32:12

No, that's true. I thought you could play the camera. Oh, okay, or that is the job that bear, right? That's why his name was Bear, because he went off and just fought bears in the woods. Is it is is Bear like an honorific title? Like what that you gain from fighting enough bears? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what it was, and not just a nickname he had that he kept for sure. That's that's definitely I feel pretty confident about that. You know what? I never considered that that's not his name. Oh, yeah, it's what his name's something real, it's like Edward or something. You're like, yeah, you should have you bears good. Stick, stick with bear.

SPEAKER_02 32:47

Knew his canon name. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 32:50

Is it actually his name?

SPEAKER_02 32:51

It is Edward.

SPEAKER_03 32:52

Oh shit, I just feel pretty damn good about that. I learned about this years ago, and I still remember Edward.

SPEAKER_02 33:00

Edward Michael quote bear grills. Ah, damn.

SPEAKER_03 33:04

Yeah. Yeah, bear. Go with bear. Bear's much better.

SPEAKER_02 33:09

I wonder if there's any mention of peeing in his Wikipedia page.

SPEAKER_03 33:13

There's definitely not a mention of him drinking his own pee, I'm sure. That was like one of the biggest things. He was like drinking his. Oh no, he did a pea enema, didn't he? No, that was ocean water. He put ocean water up his butt because he was like, you can't drink it, but you can put it up your butt. And I was like, I don't think that's a thing. But also, I'm not an expert on what goes up your butt.

SPEAKER_02 33:34

So maybe the word it appears twice. We've got wrapping his urine-soaked t-shirt around his head to help stave off the desert heat, drinking urine saved in a rattlesnake's skin, drinking fecal liquid from elephant dung, eating deer droppings, wrestling alligators, field dressing a camel and drinking water from it, using the corpses of sheep as a sleeping bag and flotation device. Here we go. I I don't he fought an alligator.

SPEAKER_05 34:02

Well, then he should be called Gator Gryllis, not bear grillis. Gator grills.

Grifts, Gadgets, And AI Calorie Apps

SPEAKER_03 34:06

Well, it's physically possible to introduce liquids rectally, using ocean water is as an enema is not safe or recommended. No. Thank you. All right. Survival myth. Although in extreme life or death stranded at sea situations, there are anecdotes of about rectal hydration. Man versus wild. They like a cite that. Yeah, it's almost like if it doesn't go in your mouth very well, it's not gonna go up your butt very well either.

SPEAKER_02 34:45

Well, you're you're gonna hate our next segment on inmoderation, then. Let's bring out the animus. I've sent you both.

SPEAKER_03 34:52

Which one are you guys starting with? I feel like coffee's a good, you know, introduction.

SPEAKER_05 34:57

Coffee's, you know, coffee's the the go-to for everybody.

SPEAKER_03 35:01

Coffee is. People chug beers, that's a solid one. You could always just, you know. But um uh what was it?

SPEAKER_05 35:07

I was thinking, I was thinking of vodka enema myself, get it just nice and cleaned out.

SPEAKER_03 35:11

Yeah, that's good. I oh like Kellogg used to do yogurt, so why don't I do cottage cheese? And that'll really sell those. There we go. I'm gonna go with a Gogurt enema.

SPEAKER_02 35:20

I feel like it would be an easy apple. If you just squeeze it up, yeah. Just just brace, yeah. I think it could work.

SPEAKER_05 35:28

If a go-urt's listening, if you you make a tube with a flared base.

SPEAKER_02 35:32

Gogurt with a flared base, it the volume would go up tremendously. It'd be filled with a lot more yogurt. Unless it's like a vestigial base that doesn't contain any food.

SPEAKER_05 35:42

Well, I think you'd want it vestigial. And then you just throw it up there, and whenever you want uh little bit of yogurt, you just clench your cheeks.

SPEAKER_02 35:52

Are we going the long way around just reinventing the dildo that comes? But it's more nutritious. If it ain't broke, yeah, it's not some kind of like stunt cum.

SPEAKER_03 36:03

It's it's go very does any podcast jump around more than this one? It has to be up there. We have to be up there with the topic jumping, right?

SPEAKER_02 36:13

I I think this is an impressive episode on that alone. Not on the content, but rather just the content that we've jumped back and forth.

SPEAKER_03 36:21

Because we jump around a lot, but this is kind of like we've we're no longer jumping around in moderation. We've all we're jumping, we've left moderation and we're full on just like jumping around to whatever. Yeah, we are no longer in moderation. Did you guys hear about the whale that they blew up when it uh beached on the on the on the on the sand? Yeah, that's crazy. Exploded everywhere in the town. They wanted to blow it up so that like all the seagulls could eat it. I don't think there was any I don't remember any bears involved. Maybe Edward was there, but like there's they wanted to blow it up into little pieces so that like birds could just like eat it, which is like a decent idea, but it just blew up into a lot of big pieces. Well, there were some small pieces, but lots of big pieces that landed on things that it should were bad that it landed on and everything smelled horrible.

SPEAKER_02 37:11

Was it on a truck and it like blew up in town?

SPEAKER_03 37:14

That's a different story, I believe, in Japan. So I believe I think it was Japan. I think I believe it was a different country where they put it on a truck, and because of the gases that like expand after it dies, like it expanded so much that the stomach blew up, or the intestines, I guess I should say maybe it was stomach, but the essence blew up, and yeah, it it kind of exploded. Not like dynamite exploded, but you know, there were still whale guts all over the place.

SPEAKER_05 37:40

That must have been a lovely smell.

SPEAKER_03 37:41

I probably know. I think you're probably pretty bad, Rob. I don't know. Sarcasm. Wait, hold on a second. You're saying, wait a second. Are you saying like that as a joke, like it actually didn't smell good? That's why it's funny. What a beautiful moment that was. Clipping. Clip it.

SPEAKER_02 38:01

So, what kinds of other enemas are there? Um We've got coffee.

SPEAKER_03 38:06

Coffee. I guess water must be water. I would probably make sure I do hydrogenated water, not just like regular water. I want the hydrogenated stuff.

SPEAKER_02 38:15

You need the wand.

SPEAKER_03 38:16

The wand or like the water bottle that makes it go twirly whirly and then it makes it like way better for you or whatever. Do that and then just poop. Oh, that was the that was the wand. That was the wand that carried it. The wand, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:33

Yeah. They wanted to come on the podcast.

Whale Explosions And Enema Nonsense

SPEAKER_02 38:36

Can we is that still possible? You know how much I want to fuck with a grifter.

SPEAKER_05 38:41

I tried to get them to send me and Liam samples.

SPEAKER_02 38:44

Oh why why didn't they do it?

SPEAKER_05 38:46

I think they actually looked into what the podcast was.

SPEAKER_03 38:50

Oh shit. So the the small problem of what we do kind of threw them all.

SPEAKER_02 38:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:56

Oh fuck.

SPEAKER_02 38:57

If there are any grifters who haven't caught on yet who are listening, we'll take your product. Cal AI reached out to me, by the way. Oh, yeah, that's I've finally been chosen. Yeah, I this is not the first time they've reached out to me, but I am considering working with them in some capacity and saying, hey, hear me out, send me the product and let me review it completely honestly. 100%. And that's all. And if it I don't want a script, I don't want anything, but it I just get to review, I get to use your product as intended and share the results.

SPEAKER_03 39:30

I don't think they're gonna pay you very much money if I'm being honest.

SPEAKER_04 39:33

I think they might be Whose product is this?

SPEAKER_03 39:36

This is the AI tracking app where they like take a picture of your food. You take a picture of your food and it tells you how many calories.

SPEAKER_02 39:42

Like you can hide a chocolate bar in a piece of bread or something, and it won't register that the chocolate's thing.

SPEAKER_05 39:47

Right.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

Right. It's just a picture.

SPEAKER_03 39:50

So I I don't but they offer a lot of money.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

They offer a lot of money. They do. It's uh it would be very useful for me to have that money right now. Unfortunately, my fucking morals precede me. God damn morals. I'm not above selling a fake car, though. We can get Delorien out there.

SPEAKER_05 40:11

We'll do some AI mock-ups. Yep.

SPEAKER_02 40:15

Has anybody sent us a picture yet of that DeLorean food pyramid? No, no, people have failed us. That's the crazy. Yep. Well, if you want a chance to be featured on In Moderation, go to the Food Pyramid episode and listen for our prompt toward the end.

SPEAKER_03 40:32

That was a good idea.

SPEAKER_02 40:33

It was a good idea. If somebody takes us up on it, we will uh be featuring that, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_05 40:39

We will fly you out, no expense paid to go meet Liam.

SPEAKER_02 40:43

No expense paid. Well, we would fly you out, I think, implies that some of it would be covered. No. Oh, we'll take your money and we'll organize it.

SPEAKER_03 40:52

Okay, so that's pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 40:54

Yes. So you pay us to book your flight.

SPEAKER_03 40:58

Yeah. We're a travel agency now. Forget what we normally do.

SPEAKER_02 41:04

Plus the service fee, and we'll fly you out for that. It's it's more expensive for us to do it than for you to just find your way. We get you the most expensive flight there is. You've got a 21-hour layover in Chicago. It's$1,023.86.

SPEAKER_05 41:22

Although, if you do want an opportunity to meet people, you should go check out Mike's school, who's having a meetup.

SPEAKER_02 41:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 41:30

Coming up uh end of May, I believe.

SPEAKER_02 41:33

Yes, end of May. Um, Liam, you are invited. If you would if you can somehow make it to Colorado for a weekend.

SPEAKER_03 41:40

Oh, Colorado. I would I have one wanted to I have been wanting to go to Colorado. Where where are you at? Where are you where are you at in Colorado?

SPEAKER_02 41:46

We're gonna be somewhere around Boulder, Colorado. Very pretty place.

SPEAKER_03 41:53

I know. That's what I always hear about Colorado. That's really nice.

Community Meetup And Closing Bits

SPEAKER_02 41:55

I'm gonna check it out. The air is crisp, the mountains are very nice to look at. The weeds plenty bears to fight. Yeah, it's pretty good. I've heard. I've heard it's very good. Has that been another episode of Inmoderation? I think that's been another episode of Inmoderation.

SPEAKER_05 42:11

I think that's been another episode of Inmoderation. Go check out Mike's school. Whatever next week we'll do the afternoon. Slash Mike needs a plan or something like that. I don't know. School.com slash plan. If you want to meet us, go check that out.

SPEAKER_03 42:25

And don't put things up your butt.

SPEAKER_05 42:27

Don't put things up your butt. Don't be your worst. Up your butt.

SPEAKER_03 42:30

Unless you want to. Like, oh who am I to kink shape? Be safe with it. Flared bass. Flared bass. Be kind to your butt. Be kind to yourself.