In Moderation

Jacob Foods Banned?!

• Rob Lapham, Liam Layton • Season 1 • Episode 123

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What happens when you tell people to eat more fiber and your livelihood disappears overnight? We sit down with Jacob—creator of The Soy Boy Chronicles—to unpack how a fast-growing nutrition page was twice banned under “terrorism,” why appeals hit a wall, and what it reveals about platform power in the creator economy. From AI misfires to coordinated report brigades, we trace the mechanics that can turn reasonable, science-based content into a moderation nightmare and vaporize a small business with a single label.

We also cut through the noise on diet wars. Jacob breaks down why extremes like raw-meat and “animal-based” branding thrive online, even when the fridge is mostly fruit. We challenge the idea that a shredded physique equals expertise, and talk about what actually moves the needle: consistent protein, fiber, fruits, legumes, and sustainable habits. For the curious, Jacob floats a controlled ultra-processed diet experiment—hitting macros, adding a multivitamin and fiber—to show how energy balance drives body composition, while we still champion whole foods for micronutrients, satiety, and long-term health.

This conversation isn’t just about a ban; it’s about building resilient health practices and resilient platforms. Jacob shares how he’s diversifying to YouTube, Facebook, and TikTok, leaning into a more human, empathetic voice, and even exploring offline meetups and community work. He’s made a career out of reaching across divides—listening first, then layering in evidence—and that bridge-building is exactly what the internet needs more of.

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SPEAKER_01:

Unbanned.

SPEAKER_03:

No, that's where I keep the seed oils. As Rob, it's literally right here. Can you not read the letter? Seed oils is bad.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, it's over on that side. Shouldn't it be a big thing? It goes over there. Up ab above it or something?

SPEAKER_03:

We store all the canola, the soybean, you name it, it's all in there. No, that's my heidi hole. You want me to put and put a big fucking arrow towards my heidi hole? I don't think that's a great idea.

SPEAKER_02:

You know what they hid in a big hole in the wall in Back to the Future 3? I'D asked the wrong person, the DeLorean. The DeLorean. And there we go. We've hit our DeLorean quota for the day. Hey Jacob, what's going on, buddy?

SPEAKER_03:

Jacob, welcome back. Right. You were here before, I think.

SPEAKER_00:

I was. I believe I was on here once or twice several months ago, back when I was living in Humboldt, Idaho, before I made the venture out west. Oh, I didn't recognize you with your shirt on. Yeah, that's what it is. I know I feel a little out of place. You know, we're the 50% that are clothed here right now. I mean, I have an excuse. It's freezing up here. Oh, I'm I have no excuse. It's just simply uh simply to be different at this point. I gotta stick out now after everything that's happened.

SPEAKER_03:

Speaking of being different, how's your week been going?

SPEAKER_00:

It's been great, honestly. You know, couldn't can't complain. Got some toy cars.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, toy cars, that's great. And so is that the biggest thing going on in your life right now?

SPEAKER_00:

That's what's pretty much just been it, is I got some toy cars. Oh, there was that other thing where uh I'm actually a terrorist now.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, yeah. See, that's what I was thinking originally. But the toy cars does seem like a bigger, you know, bigger fish for me.

SPEAKER_00:

I just I get excited about my toys. Uh but yeah, maybe I'll I'll tell a little bit about what's going on with me for anyone who's curious. Um, I was on here before, Mr. Jacob Foods over here. Um I do really well with my social media page. 171,000 followers. It was growing really fast, like a weed. Yeah. I started.

SPEAKER_01:

Hold on. Wait, I don't have my sound, I don't have the soundboard up. Where is it? Where is it? Hold on, hold on.

SPEAKER_03:

Just there you go. Oh, when he says the next line, can you do the womp, womp, womp? Do you have that thing?

SPEAKER_01:

Do you have that thing? I I need to upload that. I'll work on it. All right, go ahead.

SPEAKER_03:

Do it in post.

SPEAKER_00:

Do it in post. So I I was doing well. Um, I started the series called The Soy Boy Chronicles, where I was like, look, I'm a meat eater. I recognize it's probably good to start eating a little bit more plant-based. So I started posting about my journey with that. That started doing really well. It was really taking my page off, got me connected with a lot of plant-based people. I started critiquing maybe some stuff that's going on in the government with around health and everything. And then I I made a funny little post about how I was being rage-baited by some grocery store. I was looking at the comments on that post, and then my account just gets logged out. Like, oh, that's interesting. Usually that's not a normal thing to happen. And I look at it a little bit further, I try and log back in. It says, You've been banned for terrorism.

SPEAKER_03:

And I'm like, Whoop, wop, wop.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm almost there. So I was like, okay, um, weird. You know, I'll just appeal, and they'll take a look at this and realize, well, this is wrong. But it's a you cannot appeal. Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

So can you not appeal if it's terrorism? Is that just something that you're not able to appeal? Do you know?

SPEAKER_00:

I believe what happened, I was actually on contact or on a call with meta support yesterday because I had to or verify my Facebook account and talk to them through there, and they said, you know, we actually don't know. We can't uh look into what the review team sees, but they we think that because you have been banned before, because this is like the third time this has happened, that it's just like you're you ran out of appeals. You can't appeal anymore. I said, But the first two times I was banned, you told me AI just recognized something wrong, and then I appealed and got it back. So, like, wouldn't you think that would not count? Yeah. I don't know. But the worst part is, you know, not all hope is lost because you can go and talk to someone at Meta and they'll say, Hey, well, we will get someone to look at it. And I did that. I had three different people at Meta look at it, and they're like, Yeah, this is just we decided that this actually is a true ban. Like, how?

SPEAKER_03:

Like three different people, and they said that about terrorism. They're like, Yeah, no, for sure, terrorist.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's terrorism or praising um a violent a terrorist attack or supporting violence against a specific group or human trafficking. That's technically under dangerous individuals and organizations is the ban. I guess I'm I'm dangerous. I'm public enemy number one.

SPEAKER_04:

There it is.

SPEAKER_00:

Finally, very appropriate timing. That's how my week has been.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, so that happens, but it happens once though, right? And then you get it, but like you got it back, right? And then you made another one.

SPEAKER_00:

So what happened? I lost the big account with 171,000. I uh made a new account, and I reached out to everyone I knew with a following to be like, hey, like let's just try and build this back up. I don't know what happened. I got I I believe 33,000 followers back in four days. Yeah. I was like, okay, you know, not all hope is lost. I can do more this. And then uh yesterday or the day before, I think it was yesterday, again, just gone. Immediately after I posted some videos on Paul Saldino, uh, it just got nuked again, this time again for the same reason for terrorism. Um, and I'm like, I just I'm at a loss now. So I'm not really sure what to do.

SPEAKER_03:

That's what's crazy is building another account and then immediately that one being taken down. The these people must just really not like you. Like, all right.

SPEAKER_00:

No, they don't. Like they I know they don't, but the fact that they because usually I'm like, these people aren't real. Like, I don't go out in the world and find when I talk to people the people who hate me or have these same opinions. So I'm like, okay, these are internet people. But how do internet people have this much poll? Like, people are reviewing my account, they're seeing this at Meta and they're saying, Yes, you are a terrorist. Like, how? When I never even swore on my page, I never said a single H E double hockey sticks. So to think that I'm controversial enough to be taken down is just I don't know. It's it's pretty devastating because I like my business has run through that page and everything. So I'm I'm basically back at square one and I can't rebuild it.

SPEAKER_03:

But it seems like if you make another account, oh what's gonna happen?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, meta told me, you know, I could try and rebrand, make it anonymous, and have a different name, but it's like, well then I can't rebuild off of that. I mean, eventually I might be able to, but if they realize it's me again, then it's just gone.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

And this is happening because there are uh presumably people that are like coordinating reports against you.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so I don't have a ton of evidence specifically on what's going on, but what I do have is I know there's at least a few carnivore creators who have communities that are out to get me that are constantly commenting on my stuff and reporting me. I had a guy message me with a screenshot of an email that he sent to Meta saying that I'm spreading misinformation, it's harmful, I'm trying to evade bans by making new accounts. He said he sent it 20 times and he's gonna make a ton of other email accounts to send the same thing. Um, it's there's definitely a coordinated effort to some extent. I just don't have a ton of like hard evidence of how vast it is.

SPEAKER_03:

And again, this is because you were like tofu's cool.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, okay, we probably shouldn't eat raw meat. I even say okay, the raw milk stuff is where it gets crazy, but I'm like, look, drink it if you want. Just know it's not magic. Like, that's my message. Raw meat is like, you don't have to eat raw meat. These guys who are telling you to do it are a little bit silly. If you want to, you don't have to be vegan to eat plant-based. Like, there was a little bit of poking fun at people, but that's what gets me taken down is wow. It's great.

SPEAKER_03:

Because I oh, I make fun of people like incessantly on like my videos and whatnot.

SPEAKER_00:

So I do.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. They like they saw you and they're like, no, this person. And I just and I guess it's just it seems to me, at least just because you really went down the like, oh, okay, more uh, you know, soy is fine, and like you can you can it's like simple shit like that. That's what's crazy to me.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. I think part of it is like, you know, I'm a young dude, I'm like a white guy, I work out, I like to get outside. I think they see themselves in me, and they don't like that I'm not saying the things they expect me to say. And I think that feels like a personal attack against them, and they get defensive and want to remove that from being seen by anyone else. That's my theory.

SPEAKER_03:

I think it's just like there's like a few people that were like really loud and they got other people, and then it became like an MLM. Like you got MLM'd into like banned, basically, is my theory. It's just like they were getting their friends like, everyone, let's team up on Jacob, let's get him out of here.

SPEAKER_00:

But the hard thing about that is like Meta has repeatedly told me that no matter how many times you get reported, the only ways your account can get taken down are if one AI senses something that's against the terms of service, or two, someone reviews the report manually and says it's correct. So it's given that the only possibilities are that AI did it, which they told me is not the case because they said they reviewed the decision, which means the other option is that someone out there on the inside is doing something to get me taken down. Which is like, again, I'm trying not to be a conspiracy theory guy, but it's like I'm trying to run through all the options. It's like I don't know what else is out there. What even could have happened?

SPEAKER_01:

Wow, you even have a 4chan thread about people pissed off at you. Do you watch?

SPEAKER_03:

Ah, we're learning shit on here.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh no. What are they saying? Probably only good things, I'd imagine.

SPEAKER_03:

That's what 4chan is for. Building other people up.

SPEAKER_00:

They're like, we really want to get him back. He had really good information. A lot of hope core edits of you on there. I love the edits from the haters. Those are hilarious. I like the ones where they like stretch out my chin and make it really big and like put my eyes close together and call me a rabbit prey.

SPEAKER_03:

They made a couple, they did it to me as well. I think they put like one video where it was you and I. I thought that was pretty funny.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, we had some of us together. I had someone editing us, me and you, Liam, in a Mazzola corn oil ad using AI.

SPEAKER_03:

That's right. I remember that one was funny. That was funny.

SPEAKER_00:

I I I laughed at that. Mazzola man. It's I wish I was getting paid by Big Seed Oil. Then maybe these little uh things they're putting against us would be true, but where's my money, seed oil? Why aren't you bailing me out right now? I thought they controlled everything.

SPEAKER_02:

I I get a I get a check from Big Seed Oil every Tuesday. It's three dollars and forty-six cents. It's enough. It's enough for one bottle. It's basically just buying the bottles for me.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

To anybody listening right now that's not serious, I'm not being paid by Big Seed Oil. Please don't go. Please don't ban me. You're getting clipped. I don't even have seed oils in this home. But it's not because of like a health thing. It's I just don't like the taste.

SPEAKER_03:

I like they don't taste like anything. That's what's great about seed oils. Canola has no taste.

SPEAKER_00:

I had a gun come over for the first time, and his housewarming gift was a bottle of grapeseed oil, and I'm I'm using it every day. Yeah. I love it.

SPEAKER_02:

If it's like in something already, it's fine, but it's like, I don't know, it anytime I cook with it, maybe I'm cooking raw.

SPEAKER_03:

If you like fry with it, they can give like an oily smell or whatever, but like you throw it in shit. That's flavorless, basically.

SPEAKER_00:

So, Mike, are you like an olive oil avocado oil kind of guy? I don't even have oil.

SPEAKER_03:

I just use butter. Oh that's why he hasn't gotten banned yet.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, because they know all I've all I've got in my refrigerator is uh animal-based things like you know, fruits and uh squash, spaghetti. Animal-based squash.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, animal-based squash. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh, was it really? Okay, yeah. Because it God, what was it? Was it Paul Saladino?

SPEAKER_03:

And he opens his thing and there's like it was this animal-based pasta, which was a spaghetti squash, because squash is a fruit, and fruits can be in an animal-based diet, I believe was the reason.

SPEAKER_00:

What I don't get, so they say animal-based, majority animal. But Paul shows his fridge, he's like eating probably 70% of his calories from fruit right now. It's like, is he not fruit-based? Yeah. He's plant-based at that point.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Ooh. That's that's the clip right there. That's the TMG clip. Maybe he'll have some suivians at some point.

SPEAKER_02:

That was the video I was thinking about.

SPEAKER_01:

He's literally gone on record saying that carnivore diet made him worse.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Did you see about RFK's current diet right now? Whoa, whoa God. So he is that just butter? Pretty military. He said he's still on, I think he called it a pseudo-carnivore diet, where it's pretty much just meat and a little bit of fruit. So it's like, okay. If you are you are Secretary of Health and Human Services. Yes. Imagine this scenario. You work on creating these new dietary guidelines, and then you eat only meat and a little bit of fruit. What thought process kind of leads to that? Because it doesn't sound like it's just preference. It sounds like he does believe that's what's best for him. I if you're are you asking me, I would say brain worms, but like that's just my guess. Do you think they feed off of meat? Do you think they need the iron to survive?

SPEAKER_03:

You know, so like you know, in nature where those bugs like infest, what is it, like a caterpillar or something, and then it makes the caterpillar go to its death?

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Or it's like a toxoplasmosis from cats.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, that way, yeah, I do remember that. Yeah, something something along those those lines.

SPEAKER_00:

Interesting.

SPEAKER_03:

But you know, must be like he has shirtless and jeans, and he can do pull-ups at his age, so like that's the counter-argument.

SPEAKER_00:

I do get a lot of the but he looks good comments. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Hey, TRT will make make you look good.

SPEAKER_03:

Because that's what I've seen from like the carnivore people is just like this is the old human secretary, health of human secretary, and the like they're overweight or something like that, or they're out of shape, and then this is the new one, and that's really all that matters to them, or at least that's like 90% what matters to them.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's you know, going to school, I spent six years in college studying nutrition, and I gotta say, the people who knew the most about nutrition that I learned the most from and that were my best mentors were not like jacked dudes. No, like that's just they usually had kind of the opposite of information uh that I was getting from the people who were really able to influence me and help me out a lot. It's like, I don't think people understand that sometimes having high responsibilities make it so that you can't achieve like a bodybuilder's physique all the time because you have a lot that you're doing to help people. But I I I understand what they're saying. It's like it does seem kind of like a contradiction when the person responsible for your health doesn't look like how you want to look, but that doesn't, that's not everything, you know. Like the best coaches are usually not the ones who are best in their sport, they're just the best coaches.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. But I mean, that's the people who have the time to dedicate to having this physique that other people want to achieve. And you can get through there, you can get there through not so healthy means. I mean, right? Like, especially look at like bodybuilders and whatnot dying at fairly young ages.

SPEAKER_02:

The whole fitness influencer space is full of people on all sorts of drugs that make them look interesting, but they're not particularly healthy under all of it. They'll argue against that. But well, I can bench 400. Okay, well, you're not gonna make it to 40. So like what what what are we doing here?

SPEAKER_00:

That whole idea was kind of giving me the thought that I should do a YouTube series where I'm just eating the most unhealthy diet, well, unhealthy diet I can imagine, that I can even work up and seeing if I can get in better shape on it and feel better.

SPEAKER_03:

See if that was kind of like Professor Haub, where he ate like Twinkies and stuff and lost weight. Like a I forget the university, I forget which university, but he was a nutrition professor, ate just like Twinkies and Doritos and stuff, and he lost like 27 pounds because he ate in a calorie deficit. You could eat things that like okay, I got my carbs, I got my fats, I got my proteins through all ultra ultra-processed sources, and I gained muscle and I, you know, whatever, all those things.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah, plan it out, take a multivitamin, maybe a fiber supplement. Like these people don't really understand that that can work. Gotta show them. Interesting.

SPEAKER_02:

Can we clear something up really quick here? You want people to eat whole foods. No, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Right waxing. Can we clear something else up here? So I'm trying to dig up the dirt on Jacob in the background while you guys are talking. And apparently there's an entire section on Instagram that is popular called Plant Slant Community Controversy.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, that's fun.

SPEAKER_02:

I'll see what kind of controversy would he have?

SPEAKER_03:

I I am I feel like I'm far too boring to have any controversy, so you know I'm curious.

SPEAKER_02:

Three-hour YouTube essays about how the goatee might be fake.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

It's in a slightly different position.

SPEAKER_01:

It's like the first three videos. No, it's the first four videos are Liam videos, and then it's a bunch of gardening videos.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, okay. That sounds about right. I mean, it's kind of just something else. My controversy is another controversy because I'm too boring.

SPEAKER_00:

Apparently, yeah. So, Rob, you should try looking me up and seeing what kind of reaction videos pop up because you will you will be dumbfounded.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, I yeah, yeah. No, I'm I'm that's how I found the uh the 4chan thread on you.

SPEAKER_00:

See, I found that mostly more on 4chan? The people who hate on me tend to have a very similar look to them. And uh I've created a folder on my phone called clones where I screenshot their pages every time I find them because it's always like very pale, very gaunt, very long, frizzy hair, and I found about a dozen of them. And I'm I was building up an archive so that I could make a post about this, and now I'm gone. So I'll just have to sit on it until I can uh accrue some more information.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, so do you have a plan right now, or is it just like fly by the seat of your pants?

SPEAKER_00:

Um, so it's kind of hard right now because like I ran a coaching business off of my page, so that's pretty much burnt. Uh I still have a TikTok with 100,000 followers, but uh it the people who are on my TikTok are ridiculous. Uh it is somehow like a magnet for the people I'm trying not to reach, and no matter what I do, I can't get rid of them. So I'm just still trying to post on that. Uh I have my Facebook. I think I'm gonna start making YouTube videos, just you know, sitting down and talking about things. I think uh it's really unfortunate to lose Instagram because I really did love the platform, but I mean it grew for a reason, and I think I can grow other things the same way. It's just uh sad to lose that.

SPEAKER_03:

We come back to that later, or just eh, well, we're done with that.

SPEAKER_00:

I just I don't know if I could even do anything right now. Like, even if the it sort of cools down, if they find out I have an account, it's like it might just get wiped again.

SPEAKER_03:

So it might, but you could set a record for like most time banned for terrorism or something. Like you get at least something out of it. Like, how many times can I get banned? You are at like Jacob Hood's uh edition.

SPEAKER_01:

James Coppola, who's gonna get banned the most?

SPEAKER_03:

He got banned, like he always got it back though. I feel like you could you you're already ahead of James. So like you're you're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_00:

Talk to James about what he does. Um, I think Mike put me in contact with him, but I think uh I was about to and then I got it back the first time. The the issue is like I've been connected with so many reps that are like you can pay us and we'll get your account back. I've got people who are reviewing it, I've got lawyers involved, and my my fear is you know, basically the last resort is paying someone, but my fear is that if I pay someone, I can come back with a debt account, or it just will get taken down again and then I'm out of the money and it's expensive. Exactly. A lot to do that, and it just doesn't feel very official or just. So it's like, I mean, technically there's still a ticket out there for support that they haven't closed out of all the things that I've done. So there's like the the tiniest of chances that someone good can come in and say this is wrong, but until that's closed, you know, there's a tiny bit of hope. But I don't know. I I do think the plan right now is just try and grow elsewhere and just wait it out and you know see if things sort of change. Maybe the the direction the platform goes in changes, but it's time to diversify, which is probably something I should have done a long time ago. Kind of a good lesson for me.

SPEAKER_03:

So, what will be your plan when you go to those other platforms? What are you going to be teaching about now carnivore, or are we still sticking with the like eat lots of plants and whole foods?

SPEAKER_00:

So honestly, I think it's like personal brand building time. Like uh I've been talking with a lot of my friends, they've been very motivating, and and I also just the reception that I've gotten during this ban, the people reaching out to me saying how how much they appreciated the stuff I posted is like I'm gonna keep educating, I'm gonna keep talking about what's relevant in in the news, in politics, whatever, but I'm just gonna try and be a human to people because I felt I feel like for the longest time I tried to be strictly educational and just here's information, and uh but people really like to attach to who's saying it, and I want to kind of provide that and maybe eventually build up some in-person meetups, some charity work. I don't know, something that uh actually has a more lasting impact than Instagram videos. But I I feel like you know, this this door got shut, but there's a lot of new opportunity, a lot of different doors that are opened if I can work for it and sort of post whatever. I don't know. That was a long answer to your question, but I'm just gonna post whatever I want. I don't care anymore. Just start posting on 4chan. I will okay. That will be the one thing I'll probably not do. Now I gotta do some research. I gotta see what my ops are saying. Probably a lot.

unknown:

Probably not.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, that was gonna be my my question next is like, is there any hope for Instagram? But yeah, hopefully that one ticket does something for you, that would be great. Because this whole thing started just simply because you're sharing something that certain people don't like. That's it. You didn't do anything wrong, you didn't violate any guidelines. I don't think we've like explicitly said that here. You didn't do anything, there was no terrorism.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and that's why it's so hard to swallow. Like, if I if I had genuinely made a post praising terrorism, I'd be like, Okay, maybe I deserved it. But no, I'm like, eat fiber, probably, if you want, and maybe try tofu or fava beans. Yeah, I think that would be.

SPEAKER_03:

The problem is you're like, oh, you could eat a little less meat and something for you.

SPEAKER_01:

I got it. It's because you say eat fiber, and Trump had that picture of him diarrheaing from an F-14, whatever, over everybody. So by eating fiber, you are therefore not able to diarrhea over everybody, and thus you are against Trump. That's the reason.

SPEAKER_03:

That sounds like a 4chan reasoning for sure. Is that what was on there? That's the only thing I have against it. But wait, there we go. Is this backwards? Can you read it? That was funny because yeah, I remember you were like, I want to be the fiber guy, and I got tagged in several of your videos, like Liam's the fiber guy. I'm like, we can have more than one fiber guy. We can have lots of fiber guys.

SPEAKER_00:

We need a lot of fiber guys. Maybe it's you who's out to get me, Liam. Maybe you want to be the fiber guy. I want to be the only one. There can only be one.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah. Liam needs to get that bean sponsorship, not you.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh man, fucking bushes, man, is so stingy with that shit. I got all these supplement companies. We'll pay you$20,000. Hey, Bushes, can I get$10? No. All right. Cool.

SPEAKER_02:

Can you send me some free beans?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, like come on. I'm trying to work with like heyday beans. I'm like, any bean company, can you give, can you throw me some fucking scraps here? And I can't get shit. And all these supplement companies here are$20,000. I don't want it. I don't want it. Shut up with your creatine gummies.

SPEAKER_01:

Hey, hey Jacob, you got a 10 out of 10 on gay rate me. This is not real. Sorry, come again. What are we searching? It's not not technically. I'm searching you. I'm finding all the dirt on you. Um apparently on gay rate me. Uh somebody posted a picture and a comment is you look like that Jacob Foods guy or the seed oils guy from Instagram. Anyway, 10 out of 10.

SPEAKER_03:

That's fucking great response. I did not know this was a website. Am I on there? I want to find out.

SPEAKER_01:

Liam's closing 24 times right now. Reddit thing. Um I mean, hey, I I will search the subreddit.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm curious.

SPEAKER_00:

I guess, Liam, you need a gay doppelganger.

SPEAKER_03:

I mean, I feel like I could just handle it myself, but that's it would also work.

SPEAKER_00:

You can't beat the original.

SPEAKER_03:

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm learning so many things today. I didn't know all this was out there.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, that's what happens when you do a deep dive on somebody looking for their terrorism.

SPEAKER_03:

They just must have decided, like, what's the worst thing we can report him for? Like, oh, he says chofu is good. Terrorism.

SPEAKER_00:

So it's actually not even worse than the first reason that they banned me, which I appealed, which that was child sexual exploitation.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh my god. They were just going for like literally the worst thing that they could report you for.

SPEAKER_00:

You get hit with that, and it's like, I have a clean conscience. So like I know I didn't do anything, but just seeing that in your account, and you see that it's like that makes you feel so bad. It's like it's I don't know. But apparently there was a huge wave of I guess they updated their AI and a lot of people lost their accounts for the same reason. Uh most people got them back eventually, but some people had to wait months. Like, you can't just vaporize someone's job for months. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

I I I make my living here online, you know, through Instagram and TikTok and everything. Liam does as well. It's it's spooky of an idea. It's like um the way I've always described it, and the way that I I think I saw you describe it or JP or somebody was like, imagine going to your job one day and like going to clock in and the door is locked, and there's no sign on the door, there's nothing, you just can't get in the building. Nobody told you anything. Like it's that's really how it is.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, it's just literally just vaporized. And it's like also you can't get another job doing the same thing.

unknown:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

And if you try and get a job next door, they just tear that building down. That's basically what it's like.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, that's when you gotta up and change fields, I guess.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't know. I mean, like eventually, I listen, I think you you challenge them. You just keep making accounts, and we're like, all right, you gotta spend a lot. I have to spend a lot less time to make an account than you do to get it banned. And I would just challenge them. Like, it's easy for me to just be like a new account, boom, and then it takes them how many hours of reporting and whatnot to get you down to get back out there.

SPEAKER_00:

That's true. I figured I'll lay low a little bit, maybe give it a few days and come back. Maybe I'll I'll make a name out of tofu and soy boy stuff so it's not Jacob Foods. But it's kind of like so. I've been I've been talking to a lawyer about this because it's like I want to figure out if I'm entitled to anything because they took my job, and he's like, No, it's there's literally nothing you can do because it's a private platform, you there's no legal action against losses, against anything. And I was like, so what if I just stir up bad press? Like, what would incentivize them to give me back an account that was wrongfully taken? He's like, that's I mean, that's probably the only thing you can do. It's like if I can get on enough podcasts and be like, hey, you know, I'm the the soy boy guy, I'm a terrorist now, like meta help. Maybe eventually someone will see it. But I don't know, man. It's just private platforms, I guess they can do exactly what they want.

SPEAKER_02:

Right. You could be a digital folk hero and just continue popping up with new accounts every day, just like fuck you, Meta.

SPEAKER_03:

I'll post it in my stories, be like, this is the new one. Here's the new one today to go follow. It'll be gone tomorrow, just so you know.

SPEAKER_02:

I'll share it to mine. We'll get we'll get the message out there. Because people love an anti-establishment hero.

SPEAKER_03:

I feel like you make this your thing. Yeah, you're you may you just name it I'm banned or something like that. You just have banned in the freaking title, in your title, and just challenge people to it. That's what I would do.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm Jacob Banns from Jacob Bands.

SPEAKER_03:

There you go. I think that would work. I think it would people would be interesting. All right, where is he today? People, it would be a thing where people try and find you every day because you're banned every day.

SPEAKER_00:

I had people reaching out to me saying, Screw Meta, you should go on this Bulgarian social media app. And I'm like, trust me, it's gonna take over social media. I'm like, I have a hard time believing that.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, get over to Red Note.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean, uh, based off Reddit, uh, I feel I feel like maybe you should go on Grinder. I did move to LA.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't know how many what's the videos like they allow you to post.

SPEAKER_01:

Also, sorry, Liam, there is absolutely nothing about you.

SPEAKER_03:

Now I'm disappointed.

SPEAKER_00:

You gotta put in some work so they start talking.

SPEAKER_01:

You're not shirtless enough, right now.

SPEAKER_03:

I know, right? It's freaking lame.

SPEAKER_00:

Let me help you out.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, right? That's what I'm saying. We gotta get we were shirtless last time.

SPEAKER_00:

We don't have the funny hats this time, though.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, did we have hats? Ah man, I don't even remember shit.

SPEAKER_00:

I left my tricorn back home. I have a ski mask. That's about it. And Michael. You had your the was it Fish Fear Me or Whitney, whatever it was.

SPEAKER_02:

Men turn their gaze as I walk. No beast dare make a sound. I am alone on this barren earth. It's just like it's if you look up this hat, it's it's tall. It's very tall. It's a baseball cat, but it's like a foot and a half tall over your head.

SPEAKER_00:

I was a big fan. You could hide a seed oil bottle in that thing.

unknown:

You probably could.

SPEAKER_00:

And you will have to hide it because they will come for you. Oh get around having them here.

SPEAKER_02:

I just I I know, controversial. I'm not a big fan of the taste in my cooking. Again, that might be a skill issue.

SPEAKER_00:

But the thing is, like, that's okay. This is okay. But people don't like comfort. They want me to say that's not okay. Yeah. You have to eat, you must eat Z seed oils.

SPEAKER_01:

You have to take one side or the other. It can never be It's insane how polarized it's been. Yeah and gotten.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, that's because I mean, also what's going on with uh the administration here in the States, I think that's just made it a lot worse.

SPEAKER_02:

I was just telling you the other day, Jacob. I I think when this administration fizzes out, the pendulum will start to swing the other way. It's I I don't think it can be this crazy forever. I just don't see that being the case.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't know, maybe that's hopeful. It's just it's at the point where even the most like die hard red people that I know were like, they started out being like, you know, this isn't this isn't my perfect pick, but I still have hope they're gonna do things right. And now it's just like time after time, it's even those people are saying this is just not the right move.

SPEAKER_03:

I think this is one of the biggest things now is with like the glyphosate, like they just appro approved more use of glyphosate, and that was like one of the biggest things people outside were like, let's get rid of that. Oh, we have more, and I think a lot of them are upset over that. And so like I think those sort of things will start to push it, hopefully.

SPEAKER_02:

Completely Republican-led government right now, by the way. Like, if they wanted to stop it, they could have.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, but we have a businessman as commander and commander in business right now, so he's gonna do what he wants. He's he's a an avid listener of this show. Trump, if you can hear me, I'm banny, please. Come save me, Donald Trump.

SPEAKER_01:

What do you call them?

SPEAKER_02:

The President Trump say presidential pardons. Can we get you pardoned? Can we do a campaign meeting to get you?

SPEAKER_00:

Get it white listed on Meta, please.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, well, um, I feel like this might be a bad question to ask you, but where or should we find you?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I mean, I'm I'm gonna just cover the globe with where I'm posting right now. But I do have uh a YouTube, it's pretty small, it's still under the name Jacob Foods. Uh I've been posting on Facebook, Jacob Foods-Nutrition. Um, I still have my TikTok. That's still doing very well again under Jacob Foods. The username is J-A-C-B Foods, just like my old Instagram account. Um, but those are probably gonna be the main places that I'm posting. Uh gonna be pretty much all this the same content across the board, but no Instagram for a while, until something's done about this, until I receive jobs.

SPEAKER_01:

If we have to, we will keep bringing you back until you get back to your Instagram.

SPEAKER_00:

Give it a few days, there'll be somewhere else to find me on Instagram. How about that?

SPEAKER_03:

Check out Jacob Bans. We're gonna talk him into it. Don't worry. I think okay, that's it. Look it up on Instagram, it'll be there soon.

SPEAKER_02:

You'll become a beloved Easter egg. That's what I want to like. People will see your face and they'll be like, oh, he's back, he's back, and you'll become like this legend.

SPEAKER_03:

A little folk hero.

SPEAKER_02:

I think I'd say we gotta get you some giant wall art of like the meta headquarters burning or something. Dude, oh my god.

SPEAKER_00:

I was so dead. I was like, I was like, I will fly to Austin, Texas. I will camp, I'll make a series camping outside meta HQ until I get my account back. And that is not a joke.

SPEAKER_03:

No, that yeah, yeah, bring attention to it.

SPEAKER_00:

I don't live far from there. I will join you. Oh my god. We gotta okay. We'll get some nice cots, we'll get a nice big tent. It's probably warm enough to sleep on the street. We'll eat some beans, maybe get a sponsorship.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, let's get the bushes. Come on, sponsor our camp out.

SPEAKER_00:

Now we're thinking. Not a bad plan. You were talking about in-person stuff. Yeah, I love so I've been talking about trying to find like some podcasts to go on. I was thinking of literally going to Austin for you know more publicity about this. It's there's a lot of people I know down there who are also on both sides of the fence that would be good to get it out there. So I'm trying to figure out some things to do now that the internet's gone.

SPEAKER_02:

Real quick, just a minute before we go here. I I I speaking of people from both sides, you have done incredible work in outreach to the other side. Like you you approach these people that you know you have disagreements with on facts and you try to understand them. And you do so in a in a really effective and positive and patient way that I I don't think a lot of people do or can, myself included, I get fucking heated. So, like the fact that you are trying and succeeding, you you've forged a lot of meaningful connections with people who I would have assumed would never listen to somebody who is of of a science mind. Um it's it's just really impressive. So your loss here is a loss to all of us.

SPEAKER_01:

And I was able to that's why science deniers hate you.

SPEAKER_00:

It's like I'm I was able to do that because I was them, you know, like I get it. And and all it really took was someone listening to me empathetically and trying to understand before they share their opinion to sort of challenge mine. That that's that's really all it took. And my my goal was to reach people who were like how I was, because that's those are the people that need it. I don't want you know an echo chamber, and I think I did a really good job of not just having you know the people who agree with me in my comments. It was always people who hated me. And these people would reach out to me, I'd respond, and then they'd be willing to listen because now this this guy with all these followers is talking to me. I've got so many people. I had a dude come up to me at the gym. I know we're running short on time, but there's a dude at the gym who he said, you know, dude, I I was a raw milk drinker, I still have it every once in a while. I was going down that rabbit hole, but you changed my mind on a lot of things, and like mad respect for that. And I was like, dude, that's awesome. Like, if anything, all I hope you get out of my content is just being willing to listen to other people and have a bit more of an open mind because you have to if you want to change and get better. You don't know everything, you never do. Just listen to that.

SPEAKER_03:

That's the type of ideas that gets you banned. My bad guys that's literally trying to talk to the other side is what gets you banned from Instagram.

SPEAKER_00:

Red meat good, pretty calm.

SPEAKER_02:

And that's really the heart of everything. You know, big muscles, big cars, jeans and no shirt. Jeans and no shirt. Shirt and no jeans. There we go. Yeah. Way ahead of us there.

SPEAKER_03:

I had to do it because I'm doing it like an RFK health spa collab with Mallory, where I just like take her through like, oh, drink your milk, get your blue jeans, get your seed oil detoxifier, like all of that sort of stuff. Go follow Jacob votes on all the platforms.

SPEAKER_01:

All right. Well, I think we can all agree the only thing that Jacob is guilty of is being a 10 out of 10 on grinder. I knew that's a good idea. Grinder also works.

SPEAKER_02:

I knew it. Or if Liam was doing the rating, it would be uh you look like that seed oil guy from Instagram out of 10. K Bugs, canola out of 10, Mazzola out of 10.

SPEAKER_00:

That was my only goal in life.

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