Coffee Nerds Unite

Ring lights make us irrationally angry, and somehow that turns into a full-blown deep dive on coffee science, coffee myths, and why the internet can’t stop being weird about both. We’re joined by Han (Son Of Han Coffee), and what starts as a sponsor shout-out quickly becomes the kind of practical coffee talk we wish more people had: how roast level changes flavor, why “I hate coffee” often means “I’ve only had burnt dark roast,” and what actually makes a bag of beans worth the price.

We get into the real-life upgrades that matter for better coffee at home: buying whole bean coffee instead of pre-ground, grinding fresh to protect aroma, and choosing a brew method you’ll actually stick with. Pour over, French press, drip, espresso, siphon coffee makers that look like a chemistry set, even the water temperature you use all change extraction and flavor. We also unpack the myths that keep spreading, including “coffee dehydrates you” (it doesn’t for most people), what polyphenols might have to do with coffee benefits, and why unfiltered coffee can include diterpenes that may affect LDL cholesterol for some folks.

Then, because we can’t help ourselves, we detour into decaf methods like Swiss Water Process and CO2 decaf, tea vs tisanes, DeLorean time-travel bits, and the gym community buying horse electrolytes because the bucket is cheap. If you like smart tangents, honest takes, and actionable coffee advice without the snob act, hit play. Subscribe, share this with a fellow coffee nerd, and leave a review with your go-to brew method.

Transcript

Ring Lights And Podcast Pet Peeves

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Here, let me let me hit record. Please say that again for the people.

SPEAKER_03 0:03

I'll say that again. I hate fucking ring lights. I hate light. I hate the artificial lights that just blare in my face. Fuck off. Get out of here with that shit. I only record right here where there's natural light coming through the window. I enjoy that where there's like the sun coming through. Specifically behind us. A beard is my own. That's super nice. I love that. But when you put that ring light, when you put that right in my face and like crank it up to where I couldn't do one of those shows, like I watch a GMM, right? Good Mythical Morning. And they have the guests come on and they turn and the lights are just like boom, fucking blaring. I would be like full on Dracula, shriveling up dead. There's no way I'm not handling that. I hate it. Even just a simple ring light, I don't like. So I use it in the middle of the phone.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

The context for this was I was saying that some people write in about him getting a ring light, and I'm like, he has one, he just doesn't use it.

SPEAKER_03 0:57

You want me to get a ring light set up for an audible source of entertainment? You lit it's a called a podcast. You listen to it with your ears. Now, if you want to go on YouTube and look at it, we have we hey we offer it. That's pretty cool. Now you're getting fucking nitpicky and you're telling me shit. Get out of here. No, I don't want to ring like a and I don't want to set it up right there because it's a pain in the ass. It's in the corner and it doesn't fit right. Like I have to move my whole desk. It's a pain in the ass. Hello, you can see me good enough. I hope you're all doing very well. Anyway, how are you guys doing?

SPEAKER_01 1:37

Hi Liam. It's nice to meet you. Hello. So so very important to start this podcast off. Uh this podcast, I am sponsored. Not me, not the podcast, not Liam. Fuck Liam. He's already got enough sponsors. I am sponsored for this podcast by Son of Han Coffee. Because Han here, uh, I was in his stream. He's a Twitch streamer. I was in his stream, and at some point it came up about showing the coffee on

Coffee Sponsor And Roast Hot Takes

SPEAKER_01 2:05

the podcast, joking about it. But I was like, um, yeah, I'll do it. But it better be good coffee because I'm not lying on camera. He sent me coffee, and it's I hate to say it, but it's good coffee. Shit. I I hate to say it. I was saying he I don't think he realized, but the name of this coffee is like perfect for the podcast. Literal Chaos.

SPEAKER_03 2:29

Literal Chaos, that's pretty good.

SPEAKER_01 2:31

Literal Chaos.

SPEAKER_03 2:32

That's a good name.

SPEAKER_04 2:33

I do like the name. Oh well, Robin, you've been to my streams. You know, you know all about Little Chaos.

SPEAKER_03 2:39

Yeah, I mean, if you're gonna do a coffee company, you might as well have fun with like do you do other ones where like you have fun with the name and whatnot?

SPEAKER_04 2:44

So we we we have uh three roasts right now because the fourth one got discontinued. That was procrastination delayed, it was our light roast, and then we had imagine caffeine for the decaf, and then attention deficit on coffee for the dark roast, ADOC.

SPEAKER_03 3:00

Oh okay. I have discovered something with coffee. I don't like dark roast. I for I think that was one of the things when I was younger. I always tried dark roast. I was like, I don't like coffee. Then I started being like, wait, hold on. These like medium and light roast, these fucking slap. These are actually really same with me.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

Same with me. I I'm not a dark roast person, and I usually tend towards light roast. So when we sent me the medium roast, I was kind of like, am I gonna like this? And it's yeah, I I to be honest, I've got nothing good, but nothing but good to say about it.

SPEAKER_04 3:30

The real question is, where are you getting this dark roast from? Like, what is the coffee you're getting? Because some roasters will over roast their dark roast, and so you'll get that.

SPEAKER_03 3:39

Like, listen, Starbucks is shit no matter what, right? Like, I hate like yeah, I've I tried pretty much all of Starbucks. Like, if you like Starbucks, awesome, great. Like, drink it. Yeah, no, that's awesome. I've tried so many different things at Starbucks. I just I it's not for me. I'm a latte, I love my lattes. That's it. I drink coffee never from Starbucks. And they well, their dark roast is especially just like bitter, and it tastes like it tastes like a big accident happened, and they were like, well, we gotta sell this shit anyway. That's what it tastes like to me.

SPEAKER_04 4:10

It's over over, it tastes burnt. It tastes burnt and really bad.

SPEAKER_03 4:14

Yeah, that's how it's gonna be. No wonder it's like, well, if we add 2,000 calories of sugar and all these other things in here, it'll taste better. I'm like, yeah, I'm sure it will. But like, I just give me a nice light roast and some milk or whatever, and I'm I'm happy.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

So wait, wait, wait. You're saying the secret to the American obesity problem is better roasted coffee. Because then they won't need to cement sugar.

SPEAKER_03 4:38

As long as it's technically beans, then I'm happy, which it is, so sure. Let's go with that. Your love for beans. Oh my goodness. It's technically beans. Where does coffee come from? A cherry. A ch A cherry? Like the ones that with the pit in them that like I always have candy has to get rid of.

SPEAKER_04 4:55

It's the seed of the cherry, of the coffee cherry.

SPEAKER_03 4:58

Oh, I see. I didn't listen, all I know about coffee is it's necessary. What I don't know much past that. So, like, what so okay, so there's like a little pit in a cherry in a cherry, and then you take that pit out of the cherry?

SPEAKER_04 5:13

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 5:13

So maybe you just do with the cherry. What's what's the cherry used for?

SPEAKER_04 5:17

You just break it off and you're rid of the cherry. I I don't really know what they do with the cherry. I know there is some uh there is some some coffees. There's the lua coffee in Bali. They they feed the coffee cherries to animals, and then they like the the animals digest it.

SPEAKER_03 5:33

They poop it out and then they use it. Yeah, I have seen the poop coffee. Yeah, yeah. It seems like kind of a novelty thing, but it's fun, you know.

SPEAKER_04 5:41

Like it kind of is because I was in Bali for my honeymoon, and they would they would give you the lua coffee, the poop coffee, and then they would give you Bali coffee, which is cheap coffee, ground up, super fine, put in hot water, there's your coffee. So they would compare the two. Like, this is made by an actual process, this was ground up with rice, and here you go. So it's like, oh, which one tastes better? The luak. But it it is kind of a novelty item because what you can buy now is it's it's all farm fed. So you're not getting the proper diet of the animals, it's not not the proper process.

SPEAKER_03 6:17

But right. Although the most expensive.

SPEAKER_04 6:20

Well, the most expensive coffee in the world is the black eye bla uh black ivory. Black ivy, black ivory. It's elephant poop. Oh, they feed it to elephants? Yeah, they poop it out, and that's the most expensive coffee in the world right now.

SPEAKER_03 6:32

I wonder how much per pound. I'm curious. I'll have to look that up. A lot.

SPEAKER_04 6:35

Basically, a cup of coffee would be about 300 bucks, I think.

SPEAKER_03 6:39

Damn.

SPEAKER_04 6:40

It's a lot.

SPEAKER_03 6:41

Like, I I want to try it just to know that's for you know, like the people who are super rich to be like, yeah, just just to say they did it, you know, just to be like, I'm super rich.

SPEAKER_01 6:50

Elephant poop coffee is excellent.

SPEAKER_03 6:53

And this and my belt is made from a snake where there's only 10 left in the world, you know, like something like that. That's what I'm picturing. Just because that's fair. That's I'm okay. So then they take this little pit, right? And then they they I know they roast it. That's pretty much all I know. Somehow it's roasted, and the more it's roasted, the darker it is. That's what light roast and dark roast is. That's pretty much as far as I go. What what I don't so you you roast it and then you and then you just grind, you grind it up if it's like a pre-ground coffee, and otherwise it's just the little seed, you just give it, you you sell it whole, and then people grind it. Is that the only what's is that how it works?

SPEAKER_04 7:27

That would be the best way to do it. And if you buy coffee, buy don't buy pre-ground because it goes like it will it'll go bad, you know, it'll like dry up a little bit. The flavors will you lose.

SPEAKER_03 7:38

Well, you say go bad, yeah, it just doesn't like taste as good. Like flavor, it's not expire.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

Like, if you break ice, the ice will melt faster. It's got more surface area for oxidation and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_04 7:48

Yeah, so you always want to buy it uh whole bean. And I recently discovered that not everybody in the world has a coffee grinder. I I thought everyone did. I thought I thought that was just like you had a grinder.

SPEAKER_03 8:01

No, I think a lot of people are like, I get my folders pre-ground in the giant tub that lasts me a year.

SPEAKER_04 8:08

Because the labor is worth because that's the biggest thing with coffee. It's either you are coffee, you like coffee for coffee or you'd like coffee for caffeine. Yeah, it's it's one of the two. Like I could care less about the caffeine. I drink coffee because I enjoy the flavor, I love the taste of it, I love the science behind it, I love the process of making coffee. The caffeine is a lot of things.

SPEAKER_03 8:29

Yeah, because I'm more curious about it. Yeah, because I am curious about that. So, like with these, I'm assuming it's just like a big, like I'm picturing a giant cement mixer, basically, with it like turns, and then there's just like some heat applied, and then it makes it hot and roasts it for a certain amount of time. That's what I'm picturing.

SPEAKER_04 8:46

Pretty much, in a way, yeah. That's it, it turns and turns and turns, and then once you hit your level of roast, you open it up, and then it goes into a cooling rack and it spins and cools. So technically, yes, that is how it's done.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

And then, so like the timing, like is are when you roast for like a light, are we talking like how long does this take? Like hours to roast this shit, or is it just like you know, for for it just depends?

SPEAKER_04 9:09

I don't think it's not hours. I don't know the exact the size, like the process of the roasting. Like, I've I've I've roasted coffee myself, but with like a popcorn maker, like that was the hot air popcorn maker. That's my roasted coffee. Like they sell them, and it's just like they work not amazing.

SPEAKER_03 9:26

Because like you could roast it in your oven, but since it's not moving, it wouldn't be like even, right? Like you wouldn't get an even roast on it.

SPEAKER_04 9:33

You definitely could, I'm assuming. Yeah, people do, they put it in the oven and then roast it. It's definitely a common thing, but yeah, you're not gonna get the most perfect roast because it's not rotating, it's not turning. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:46

Kind of like putting a marshmallow straight in the fire instead of holding it above and slowly turning it.

SPEAKER_03 9:51

That works. So what like yeah, what separates like a really good coffee from a bad coffee? Like, of what's the difference between paying like the five dollars for folgers where you get like a bunch of coffee, and then the other ones where you're paying like $20 for a little bag of it? Is it just the beans itself? It's the process

Whole Bean, Grinders, And Brew Gear

SPEAKER_03 10:10

of roasting, like what what what what makes it bad?

SPEAKER_04 10:13

Definitely both there because like you're buying mass-produced stuff when you when you buy like folgers, mass-produced, it's been sitting on the shelf for who knows how long. It's just not not quality stuff, right?

SPEAKER_03 10:25

Like if you buy but it's the best part of waking up is folders in the cup, right? I don't know if you know this, Rob, but that's the whole slogan. It's folders in your cup, yeah. Oh man. Um and our that's that's what here. Get a shitty coffee and just have a good jingle. Like Maxwell, our house in the middle of the street. You remember I still remember that for like Maxwell House. Like old millennials like me, like I remember that. Are you saying I need to get a jingle? Is that what you're doing? A jingle helps, man. Can we go back to jingles? I miss jingles where it was just like this cool thing they'd kind of repeat a few times, and it was a little melody, you know. No, I'm not talking like head-on. I don't know if you guys remember head-on, but it was this like um product that you would put on your forehead, and it was like for headaches. And the whole advertisement was head on, apply directly to the forehead. Head on, apply directly to the forehead. And I I'm not shitting you, they repeated it like seven times, and that was the whole commercial. They just said it over and over. And I think they actually got sued or something. Like, I'd have to look this up. Don't quote me on this. But there were some regulations after that where you couldn't repeat the word over and over. The FTC or something was like, nah, nah, that like, don't do that shit. That's annoying, or something like that. There was some kind of regulations with it after, and they stopped doing it. I hated that so much. I'm not talking about that where you just repeat something where it's so annoying people remember it, but like a fun, like a double mint gum, whatever, like those fun jingles. I miss those. All right, we don't get those much anymore. Now it's just all influencers being like, I use this. And it's like, cool. I'm one of those influencers, and I hate it.

SPEAKER_01 11:53

I do have a couple musicians that are going to be booked onto the show here. I could bring Han back and we could work. We'll get you all the Spitfire. Spitball. Spitfit and jingles.

SPEAKER_03 12:05

What's Bitfire? Singles. I'm talking about my homework.

SPEAKER_04 12:07

I'm gonna start working on a jingle, the chaos jingle.

SPEAKER_03 12:10

I like that. Okay, where was I? So wait, yeah. So the separate, so is it just like the beans, like where they get it from? Like some beans are just better because they're like harvested at the right time.

SPEAKER_04 12:21

Well, again, I guess they when it's mass-produced, you use lower quality, you use older stuff, it's not the freshest, and then Maxwell Howell or like Maxwell Howell's folders all pre-ground, so it's been sitting there for who knows how long. Right. I get the pre-ground part that I've done.

SPEAKER_01 12:38

Um took a tour of a coffee-making company, and the one thing she really stressed was that the lowest quality beans were turned into the um the instant coffee. Because instant coffee, if you're making instant coffee, you're probably not drinking it for the taste. And so they just take the cheapest stuff and they just grind it up and throw it as the instant coffee.

SPEAKER_03 13:03

Interesting. Yeah, I guess that kind of makes sense. I remember so because I remember I did a video on like fiber and coffee, because I didn't realize there was fiber in coffee until like somebody mentioned. I was like, oh, I'll look this up. And I'm like, oh shit, there actually is like fiber in coffee. Not yeah, there is, there's not much. It's definitely less like a cup is gonna have less than a gram, but it's like a percent, it's like point whatever grams. Um, but it it does, it will have some. But I remember free for uh instant coffee being the the highest in fiber because you're literally taking the like freeze-dried beans or whatever and putting it into hot water and it's dissolving. And that's I that's why I remember that having like that. Yeah, you're not taking it out with a filter, exactly. So I remember yeah, so yeah, actually, yeah, so you can it has fiber. I don't as far as like if you're grinding yourself and then filtering it, not much. But listen, some uh we're the when the average American gets like 10 grams a day. We'll take whatever we can get, right? Fucking something.

SPEAKER_04 13:58

I guess so.

SPEAKER_03 13:59

Um, are you like a snob when it comes to like the the making of the coffee? Because it seems like everyone has like oh French press, uhw, drip, uhw, poop out the butt of an animal, like whatever it is, like you know, whatever whatever the preparation is. I'm a coffee connoisseur, not a coffee snob.

SPEAKER_04 14:18

So I'll drink any coffee. I am not, I don't care. But like I personally I brew my coffee many, many different ways. My favorite is a pour over. That's what I usually would always do. Is pour over. Uh I got an espresso machine, but like I would drink anything. I don't care. I like coffee.

SPEAKER_03 14:36

Doesn't so I can't. I like find like French press people are like adamant about that shit where they're like, no, French press is best, and you have to get a French press. And like I've tried, I'm like, it's good, but I don't so far I've been doing I've been switching more to like the pour over, and there's this like I don't remember what it's called, but like they have like these special filters, and I'm like, it filters out all these things. And I'm like, I don't really know what any of that is, but like it sounds good, so I guess I'll go with that.

SPEAKER_04 15:01

But because the you look at the two different kinds, you get the French press, it's an immersion coffee, it's not a pour-over, it's it's sifting through, right? So it's completely different brew methods. You're gonna get a whole different flavor profile, whole different taste out of it. Same like like right now, I whenever I want to have a single cup of coffee, I have a cuisin art uh single coffee maker, and I have my beans in there. I find this is the best single brew you can get, and the flavors are great in it, and again, it's completely different than your pour over or your uh French press. So oh, it always changes. The flavor profile changes no matter what you do, however you brew it.

SPEAKER_03 15:43

I was trying to I was trying to look at uh that's what it is. Okay, so I was trying to look it up. I I couldn't remember the name of it because I remember there was um, I was like, there's something in coffee that can actually raise your LDL, like your cholesterol. And so like some people will say, like, don't use French press because of that, because it doesn't filter it out. It's diterpenes. That's what I had to look up. They're called diterpenes, and they

Coffee Health Myths And What Matters

SPEAKER_03 16:05

can actually uh uh they can actually raise your LDL. So they're like, you should use a filter, and it actually filters that out. And for like my, you know, like with my content is always just like, you know, fuck it, whatever. Do your thing. Like if you like French press, do French press because coffee is just like seems to be good for you. Like based on the research, kind of how every, whether it's freeze, freeze, dry, French press or pour over, it all seems to be good for you. So like just drink it. Now, if you're one of those, if you're like the Brian Johnson that's trying to live for 300 years, then man, maybe get a filter.

SPEAKER_01 16:34

I don't know. Let's be uh specifically clarified. It's not the caffeine that's good for you, it's the polyphenols in the coffee. So decaf does count.

SPEAKER_03 16:43

Yes. I've been interested in looking that up too, and like because caffeine, because there is like connections between caffeine and like longevity and whatnot, but it does that just come down to coffee or not, does that just come down to the fact that people are drinking coffee and drinking caffeine with the caffeine that comes along with the things in coffee and whatnot? And I don't know, I'm wondering, is there like some benefit to just caffeine by itself? But I don't know if we've actually have an answer for that. I kind of look more into that. I don't know. All I know is I need it. That's all I know. You need that caffeine? Doesn't matter. Okay, it was good for me or not. It's like up and like I came up like at seven in the morning, I'm back down and up, and like it's all over the place. And when I get up, I'm like, I need some fucking coffee to film these videos and yell about what's this pesticides and strawberries again? Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_04 17:28

Okay, okay, about that. I saw that video and I was like, when you were you're talking about, I was like, okay, that's interesting. And then I thought what so many.

SPEAKER_03 17:38

There's just so it was it's never ending. I'm still getting technically people are throwing out their strawberries. It's this whole thing, every few years we get this, it comes back up.

SPEAKER_04 17:46

Does it this with all foods? Like, isn't all foods technically stuff on it?

SPEAKER_03 17:52

Like pesticides are an easy thing for people to be like, but it's it's it kills bugs, it's bad, it's like you know, it's easier for people to do that. So it's almost like it's formulated for bugs. Yeah, it's and so like, oh, I don't want any poison. Like, well, stop fucking eating pears then, you for maldered eating bitch. Shut up. Like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_04 18:13

Stop walking outside.

SPEAKER_01 18:15

Yeah, the UV raised going any caffeine is a higher listed um toxicity than most glyphics.

SPEAKER_03 18:25

Oh it's stupid. But anyway, so it's easy for them people to be like, oh, it's bad, and blah blah blah. Which is kind of like it's unfortunate because like if you look into I didn't even know, like Drisc, was it Driscoll's strawberries? Like their farming practices, they're actually real fucking sketch. Like the way they treat their employees and stuff is it's allegedly not very good. Allegedly not great. So, you know, like why can we make it mail about that now?

SPEAKER_01 18:48

Yeah, right. Now it's this.

SPEAKER_03 18:50

Now Driscoll's is coming after us. Like, but I like to, you know, people are alleging that's how and I'd like to look more into it because it just doesn't look that great. So could we maybe focus on that? Like, that seems like better to focus on than like the 0.45.

SPEAKER_01 19:03

Something how about people being mistreated for labor?

SPEAKER_03 19:06

Yeah, shit. Let's that's uh could we talk with that with we got real problems? Let's talk about the that's why I hate like the strawberry thing, because it's like it would be like if your house was on fire and people were like, but the baseboard's crooked. Like, okay, listen, I don't like the baseboard being crooked either, but we have bigger fish to fry right now. Like, come on. So, yeah, that's my so I'm gonna have the problem.

SPEAKER_04 19:27

That's the there is bigger fish to fry. Nobody wants to do that. They want to go nick better right now. They can nick pitter, right?

SPEAKER_03 19:34

Rob, who's our who's our friend, the pea injector. Uh fucked.

unknown 19:39

Who?

SPEAKER_03 19:40

His name's like his last name sounds like ass.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

Dave Aspray, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:44

Dave Aspray. I was like, his name sounds like ass. That's all I remember. I have to go to that route, and that's how I remember his name's Dave Aspray. Yeah, no, he's injected. He he talks about urine injection therapy where you inject urine. We've talked about it a bunch. It don't do that. Now, what he he sells his own coffee, which his thing, it's like it's very expensive. But because he the reason it's expensive is because his is mold free. He doesn't he makes sure there's no mold in his coffee. Because he peas on it. And that's his whole thing. But is that why? Maybe like for lucky buyers, maybe it's like a giveaway, like it's a prize thing. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 20:19

People sell their bath water, I sell the pea on my coffee. What's it called? I'm gonna look it up. Please do.

SPEAKER_03 20:26

I think it was like bulletproof coffee.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

Guarantee that the coffee has no mold on it.

SPEAKER_03 20:31

Is it him? The bulletproof coffee.

SPEAKER_01 20:35

He is the original butter in your coffee.

SPEAKER_03 20:37

Oh, is he? Shop it's a danger. I did I did that for a little bit. It's forty dollars for a wow, this is a tiny. How many servings is in this? Not much.

SPEAKER_04 20:48

Let's compare it to the black ivory.

SPEAKER_03 20:50

There's 14 servings per bag, and it's 40 dollars.

SPEAKER_04 20:54

What's not bad in comparison?

SPEAKER_03 20:56

That's well, yeah, compared to that, but that's oh, I think this is like their um instant coffee.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

So that was okay, so I guess that's a little different, but still 14 servings for instant at 40 dollars.

SPEAKER_03 21:11

Yeah, right. And I'm not just crazy there, right? Like that seems like what the heck? Okay, so this one has 36 servings and it's $27. So it's like a dollar. Well, it's a little you get more than a dollar, or a little bit more.

SPEAKER_04 21:26

Well, there's this one. So black ivory for 40 grams. 40 grams. $241. And that would be yes, that that'd be.

SPEAKER_03 21:37

So if you compare it to that, his is basically cheap. His is free almost.

SPEAKER_04 21:41

Hey, my coffee's cheaper. I I think. There you go. Pretty sure it's a lot cheaper than that. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:48

So but yeah, so like uh have you ever experienced had any issues with mold? I'm curious because that was always his thing. Like, oh, you it's it's there's every coffee has mold in it, was his thing, and that's about the whole

SPEAKER_04 22:00

Mole thing. That was also one of the things why people you do not want pre-ground coffee. Because there's a chance you got mold in it. Because it's already ground up, you'd have no idea.

SPEAKER_03 22:08

So I remember that whole thing with bugs, because they were talking about that, like with the with the roaches and stuff like that, can get ground up into the coffee. If it's pre-ground, they allow a certain number of like bug parts. Like it's for like various foods, but definitely coffee. And so it was interesting because they were like, there's a protein in cockroaches that's also in shellfish. And if you're allergic to shellfish, there's shellfish, there's a decent chance you're allergic to cockroaches. And if you're allergic to cockroaches, then you might not be able to consume preground coffee. And we d and I Dr. Rubin made a video. He's an allergist. Dr. Rubin made a video talking about it. And he's like, we don't really have an answer, but like if you're drinking pre-ground coffee and you're allergic to shellfish, maybe. Maybe. It could like you're if you're getting like a scratchy throat and shit. Could be. So you might want to like grind it yourself. Now I don't really care. Like, I mean, I'm not buying I'm not buying pregnant coffee or like whole beans because of the cockroaches, whatever. But I yeah, I do think again, it just tastes better.

SPEAKER_04 23:06

Yeah, the little extra protein, right?

SPEAKER_03 23:09

And so pretty much my uh that was honestly my anti-thing, like uh extra protein. I don't know, it's fine, it's fine, it's roasted. It's perfect, yeah. More probably fiber, right?

SPEAKER_01 23:18

Like, I think it's hilarious that probably the same people worried about bugs and cockroaches and stuff probably eat shrimp, which yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:26

So aren't shrimp like the cockroaches of the sea or something? I don't know.

Mold Claims, Bug Parts, Buying Better Beans

SPEAKER_03 23:30

Yeah, I'm sure they are. So um so then for like the the making the coffee, you're kind of just like, uh yeah, pour over. Tastes good, easy, just go with that. That's that's kind of your you're gonna go grab it.

SPEAKER_01 23:46

He's getting the coffee stuff.

SPEAKER_03 23:47

I got the one that looks kind of cool. It looks like a big hourglass or something. Like it's like a big hourglass looking thing, and then you you put a like a little filter over it, and I like it. That's been my hourglass looking thing. It looks kind of like an hour, yeah. It looks kind of like an hourglass is cool. What does? My coffee my like pour-over coffee.

SPEAKER_04 24:04

Well, it would be for yeah, that thing.

SPEAKER_03 24:07

That thing. That's exactly yeah. What is that? A heel a heel is something chemix, chemic. I was gonna say Heli Mix. That's a freaking Heli Mix is a shaker.

SPEAKER_04 24:15

Chemix is the that's that's one of my most common thing. But then this, this guy.

SPEAKER_03 24:22

What the fuck? It that looks like a chemistry set. Okay, so you got a little Bunsen burner type thing, yeah, and you light it, and then this is almost like your French press in a way.

SPEAKER_04 24:31

It's a French, it's basically like a press and a pour over. Because, like, you put your hot water in the bottom, you put the flame underneath, boils the water up to the top, so it stays up there, put the grinds in, stir it. So now it's an immersion because it just sits in there, it boils, it brews, turn off the heat, comes down through, it strains through the filter, and then you have your coffee. It's a nice one. Makes the hottest frenzy. It is hot because it's on the flame for so long.

SPEAKER_03 24:56

I okay, listen. Listen, I always like when I go to coffee from like uncommon grounds, this place by here, I like it. I go there most mornings, and then I go to Hanford to buy whatever stupid cottage cheese thing I'm making or whatever, you know? And it's it I always ask for extra room for cream, not because like I prefer to have like a lot of milk in my coffee, but it's so fucking hot. I'm I I don't know if I'm just a bitch when it comes to like hot temperatures and drinking them, but I don't like it when it's like that.

SPEAKER_04 25:25

Do it like that, so either can have it there longer, right? Like your coffee should not be boiling hot. Like, you should be able to drink it as soon as you get it, you can drink it no problem. Yeah, like that's what I want, but like when it comes straight out, scolding. Like, that's it always is because that's it, always is it can last longer that way, and it's way too long. Unless like I like on my kettle, you have a programmable kettle because you control the temperature of the water, because you never want to use boiling water for brewing coffee. You don't want over.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

Same with same with tea, you don't exactly do green tea at boiling water.

SPEAKER_03 26:00

Because my kettle has like different buttons for like coffee and for tea, and depending on which type of tea, it'll be like other whether it's 200 degrees, freedoms, and then like 180 or whatever it's supposed to be. So, yeah, like I know you're not supposed to do boiling hot water for coffee, it's like 200, right? It's like 200 Fahrenheit.

SPEAKER_04 26:19

Well, I I I use 97 Celsius, so just under boiling for me.

SPEAKER_03 26:24

I don't know. Yeah, so yeah, that's probably it's because boiling is 212 degrees freedoms. Degrees freedoms.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

Yeah, that sounds about right. So yeah, so 200 is like somewhere in that 95, 97 range.

SPEAKER_03 26:37

Yeah, that's where I for my my pour over, that's what I use. Okay, what else do you you suggest people like look for besides just like whole ground? Is there anything else they're supposed to be looking for? Or is it just like I don't know, chai shit?

SPEAKER_04 26:48

Honestly, if if you're gonna be buying coffee, I recommend going to a roaster. Don't go to the department store, don't just buy your coffee from you know the the sh the sh the supermarket, don't do that. Buy it from somewhere that like a sure you're gonna pay probably a little bit more, maybe five, ten dollars more.

SPEAKER_01 27:06

This is where you say buy it from you, or buy it from me.

SPEAKER_03 27:09

That's true. So if you can get it from a roaster, buy it, try it from there and see like at least try, you know, if you're able to afford it, right? Try it and see if you like it enough to warrant the cost.

SPEAKER_04 27:20

Yeah, no, exactly. I don't remember because there are some that you know, coffees I do go to the super the the the the the the store, right? There are other coffees. I don't know which ones are the best because I feel like there's one. Um there's so many the veteran one, uh Black Rifle. Black Rifle, Black Rifle, they are in the in most in in the stores, and I believe they have some decent coffee, even though it is more mass-produced, you can buy it from the grocery store, but it's still good coffee. So there is ones, but like you always want to, I would always suggest going somewhere local and getting it from your roaster because they would always have the best coffee and they care about their coffee.

SPEAKER_03 28:01

So I too I I because there is a place near me called, I remember it's called Brutus, and I like that because the Brutus was the name of the Brutus Buckeyes back in Columbus, Ohio. So I was like, oh, that's actually kind of cool. That was the that was the that was the name. Uh and they were like a little roaster, and that was actually really cool to go in there and they had like their own coffees set up and whatnot. I was like, I was impressed. I was like, this is this is better. This is definitely better than like what I get, obviously better than like Folgers, whatnot, but even if you like pay up a little bit, it's still better than that. So I think, yeah, I mean, I think it's really just comes down to right just like trying a bunch of different ones and being like, ah, this one's definitely worth it. Yeah, that one.

SPEAKER_04 28:36

Well, it's like when it comes to like the biggest thing, if you're looking for decaf, for example. Okay, you don't you don't want to get it from most of the times not from the the the store because there's there's different processes of decaffeination, okay and that will either what take take flavors away and it'll be gross. Because what you want is like here in Canada, we have the Swiss water. That's the most common. If you want a good decaf, good Swiss water. They use a water water. Swiss water, yeah. They use a a water uh a process to decaffeinate the coffee with water. And instead of using chemicals, how most like if you don't, if you get it the normal decaf with chemicals, how they add something to it and then that removes the caffeine.

SPEAKER_03 29:20

Like, does that like soak up the caffeine? That'd be interesting.

SPEAKER_04 29:23

I'm kind of curious. And so like that that's like like my decaf, you'd have no idea it's decaf unless you needed the picking up in the morning. If you just want coffee but no caffeine, imagine caffeine is where it's at.

SPEAKER_03 29:36

Methyl chloride.

SPEAKER_04 29:38

That's decaffeinated. That's common. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:40

Yeah. Yeah. And ethyl acetate.

SPEAKER_04 29:44

I don't know. Interesting. The complete negative effects that stuff has on you. I just know it it takes away flavor.

SPEAKER_03 29:50

Yeah, I mean, I doubt it's that. It probably just probably makes it taste worse. A volatile chemical used to extract caffeine, while it's highly effective, it has drawn scrutiny due to its classification as a potential human carcinogen, leading consumer groups to petition for removal. The FDA allows trace residues up to 10 parts per million, and companies are not required to list it on packaging. Interesting. I guess I'd have to look more into it because uh yeah, I see Swiss water. Yeah, there you go. Chemical-free alternative, Swiss water decaf finder. Carbon dioxide process. What's a carbon dioxide process to remove caffeine?

SPEAKER_04 30:23

I've been trying to get into the Swiss water decaf plant to uh get a tour. They keep saying they don't do tours yet. Oh, that's funny.

SPEAKER_03 30:33

No, it's secret. Oh, I'm secret.

unknown 30:35

Right?

SPEAKER_04 30:36

Like I want to learn, I want to understand the process more and like be able to talk about it because I feel it's decaf has a bad rap because it tastes gross, is what most people would say. Because they get coffee that doesn't taste good. You gotta start off with good coffee to have good coffee.

SPEAKER_03 30:52

Yeah. Apparently, yeah, CO2. This method uses uh uses pressurized carbon dioxide as a natural solvent to target and remove caffeine, leaving the flavor compounds intact. That's actually kind of neat. That's kind of neat.

SPEAKER_04 31:10

And that's why like you don't necessarily need to go with the caffeine the root of chemicals to decaffeinate anything.

SPEAKER_02 31:18

Yeah, ethyl acetate.

SPEAKER_03 31:19

Ethyl acet is uh ethyl acetate, often referred to as natural, naturally decaffeinated method because it is a an organic compound naturally found in many fruits like apples and bananas. However, the ethyl acetate used in commercial coffee processing is typically synthetically manufactured right. Huh. All right, so I guess there are other methods. I don't know. I mean, for me, I'm like, oh, so I guess I'm assuming is that the same thing for tea? Because I'll drink like a decaf chai or something. I don't know. I'm gonna look into it.

SPEAKER_04 31:47

I think with tea, it's just some things are not they don't have caffeine.

SPEAKER_03 31:51

Uh well, some definitely some of them, but like some, but there are black teas that are decaf, right? So, like, how do they get the caffeine out of the deep out of the black tea? Because that definitely because mostly I wish we called them tazans. Like this, I'm drinking a tazine right now. That's what well, not all over England, but I think of like parts of England or whatever, they call it tazines, which are teas

Tea Decaf Tricks And Naming Nonsense

SPEAKER_03 32:10

that aren't teas. Those it's teas that's like lavender and shit, which God, I hate lavender. Stop putting lavender in food. Damn it. Like lavender is for it's my fabric softener. I want my clothes to smell like that. I don't want to eat it or drink it. It tastes awful. But like, you know, I get I get like the lemongrass and like the turmeric or whatever it is. I'll drink that.

SPEAKER_01 32:33

But it can also be done just by soaking it in hot water for a little bit. Okay. Since the caffeine is going to be highly soluble.

SPEAKER_04 32:40

So if you oversoak your tea, it takes away the caffeine.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

Soak your tea for 30 to 60 seconds, throw out the water, and then then just do the tea normally. That'll remove up to about 80% of the caffeine.

SPEAKER_04 32:52

I'm just saying, home method of reducing caffeine. Brew it, discard the water, brew it again. Okay. That works. Are you learning shit? But like, would that take the flavors away though? Because like that.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

Take some of the flavor, yeah. But like imagine the caffeine is gotta use more soluble than the rest of it.

SPEAKER_04 33:16

So interesting. I've never looked into the the decaffeinated process of tea, so that's interesting. Just brew it. That's all you gotta do. Just drink it and shut up. Just you know, if you don't want the caffeine, don't drink the caffeine.

SPEAKER_03 33:29

Just do something else. Sometimes listen, sometimes I want a nice cup of tea at night and it's 10 p.m. I'm like, I don't want I don't want the caffeine. Yeah, I like that one. Yeah, but are you? I thought that had caffeine in it. That does not that doesn't have any caffeine in it.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

Roybus does not have caffeine.

SPEAKER_04 33:43

But are you drinking tea or is it a tea beverage? Because you're not all like my I have a sleepy tea. That's what I drink in the tea. So those like that's what I was saying.

SPEAKER_03 33:51

The tisane are anything that isn't green tea and white tea are the only teas because they come from the tea plant. And it just depends on how they're like roasted, whether it's green, black, or like white. Everything else is not actually tea, it doesn't come from the tea plant. We just call it tea, which makes it super confusing. So why don't we just have a different word for that?

SPEAKER_04 34:14

But that's the same thing is you go like faux nuggets, right? You're still calling them chicken nuggets, but they're faux nuggets now. So you get the tea or like mushroom coffee. You're calling it coffee, but it's mushrooms. So how is it coffee? It's not coffee.

SPEAKER_02 34:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:27

You get the teas. Interesting. All these different names that have make no sense.

SPEAKER_03 34:36

Drink whatever. Shut up and drink it. All right. Shut up and drink, shut up and drink whatever you want. Don't worry, oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 34:43

On that note, on that note, the there's the misconception that coffee dehydrates you.

SPEAKER_03 34:52

Yeah, that's a big one.

SPEAKER_01 34:53

And so let's let's get this out of the way. Coffee does not dehydrate you.

SPEAKER_03 34:58

It doesn't dehydrate you. Coffee hydrates you. It's they've studies have shown it's similar hydrating amount to water. Oh, yeah, no, caffeine is a very mild diuretic, like super mild.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

It it makes the muscles of your bladder a little bit more active, and so it will make you pee, probably. But the water that's in your bladder is already wastewater, and you just drank an entire cup of water because cat coffee is mostly water.

SPEAKER_04 35:28

Of course, it's water run through the yummy machine, and yeah, put it in your mouth.

SPEAKER_03 35:33

Your Coke Zero or whatever it is, it's all it's water, it's all water. I think we get this idea like that it's another. I remember I did a video where there was a guy that ate like a kilogram of peas. And I was like, no, I don't want to eat a kilogram of peas because people were asking me. I was like, no, no, thanks. But then there was like this dietitian that was like going over what's in a kilogram of peas just because she was curious, and she was like, that actually meets your water requirements for the day from peas. Like, there's enough water in peas, like because there's water in food, and like I know we don't like that. Like, it was like, no, but I gotta drink what I gotta drink water for be hydrated. It's like you could drink, eat food, drink beverages, and it's fine. Just drinking.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

The water and stuff counts as water.

SPEAKER_03 36:14

Eat a kilogram of peas every day, and you're good. That's all you gotta do. Thank you. I'm gonna get right to that. Perfect. Yeah, you're gonna be right on the toilet, probably is where you're gonna be. I would rather not be.

SPEAKER_01 36:24

No, we're gonna be the coffee guy, you're now the pea guy.

SPEAKER_04 36:27

No, that's where we take it out by the buttons bulletproof guy. He's already the pea guy. I can't be him.

SPEAKER_03 36:32

Dave Asprey's already the pea guy. All right. I mean, so okay. Anything else people should what else do people know about coffee? Anything else people should know about coffee? Anything we're missing?

SPEAKER_01 36:40

I know what we're missing.

SPEAKER_03 36:41

What are we missing?

SPEAKER_01 36:42

What would be the best coffee to drink in a DeLorean?

SPEAKER_03 36:46

In a DeLorean. If you're in a DeLorean and you're preparing to go back in time, what coffee should you be drinking?

SPEAKER_04 36:53

Why does the DeLorean have a coffee maker built in?

SPEAKER_03 36:55

Let's assume this one doesn't, even though they usually do, just for the people who don't have coffee DeLoreans. The few, the rare few.

SPEAKER_04 37:02

They gotta have those.

SPEAKER_03 37:06

Make sure your DeLorean has a coffee maker in it. I need to know what is the obsession with the DeLorean? What's going on here? Okay, I've talked so I've talked about this many times, but I will quickly go through it. Please do. I've never seen Ahead to the Future, and I find it very funny that if I'm driving a DeLorean and then I drive and people will go, like, oh, you must love the movie, and I go, Oh, you mean Back to the Past? No, I've never seen it before. I just really like I just really like the car. I saw it on a lot. And they're like, What do you first off, it's Back to the Future, and second, you're driving a fucking DeLorean. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_01 37:41

Like Mission to Pluto or something?

SPEAKER_04 37:43

Yeah, something to Pluto starring what's that you don't you now that it's a running running gig, you're not gonna watch the movie. You were gonna be.

SPEAKER_03 37:50

Oh, yeah, no, and I will never I will watch it on my deathbed. That's it. But up until that point, I will not watch the movie because the joke is too good. I need to not see it so that people are like confused, and I find that funny.

SPEAKER_01 38:04

He'll be 97, he's lying there in the hospital bed, and he'll be like, people will come in. You gotta watch Back to the Future, and he's like, No, no, I'm not quite dead yet.

SPEAKER_03 38:13

Not yet. Just in case. I gotta make sure I see it. I don't care who you are, that's a very funny joke. And I want to be able to do that to people. So yeah, I need a I need a DeLorean to make that happen. They're like 50 grand plus.

SPEAKER_01 38:30

So and now we need to know what coffee he should be drinking when he has that DeLorean.

SPEAKER_04 38:35

You know what? You say you don't like dark roast, but honestly, ADOC. ADOC, attention deficit on coffee. It's uh again again, it's not an over over-roasted burnt coffee.

SPEAKER_03 38:48

I mean, like, I have had like darker roast coffee that I I I do like. It's just like in general, it's just got a light. I like the light, or they have like a fresher taste. I don't know how to describe it.

SPEAKER_04 38:59

They're brighter, they're just got the they're brighter, they're brighter. I don't know if that is where you want to go with a bit a little more acidic.

SPEAKER_01 39:05

That was one thing I really noticed when I opened this was the like the scent of like I guess it was the tangerine was just boom in my nose. Like in a good way, like you could really smell it.

SPEAKER_03 39:17

Why how tangerine get in coffee?

SPEAKER_01 39:19

Ask him, he make it.

SPEAKER_04 39:20

Okay, it's the flavor profile. So basically, the flavor profiles are different to every single person that will drink the coffee. So basically, one person will decide what those flavor profiles are because that's what they find in it. But if you drink it, you might not even taste what it will say. What this what people have.

SPEAKER_03 39:38

That's why I think Somaliers are often saying bullshit, you know. Like the Somaliers are like the wine, wine connoisseurs where they're like notes of tennis ball. I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like, I don't I don't they say this is some bullshit.

SPEAKER_04 39:50

That's literally it though. Like it's what somebody tasted, it's what they because everyone's palette's different. No one no one really has the exact same palette. So you might taste right, like for you,

DeLorean Bits And Flavor Note Nonsense

SPEAKER_04 40:00

like the tangerine could be strong, the chocolate could be strong, or you taste none of it, and to you it just tastes like dirt because that's just how your palate is, right? You yeah, to everyone's different, and like that's the biggest thing when it comes to pretty much anything and everything. It's different to every person.

SPEAKER_03 40:16

Some people like fucking banana laffy taffy, and I don't understand that shit, but it's fine. Like, I'm glad you do.

SPEAKER_01 40:21

Some people eat banana laffy taffy in front of Liam and lose a tooth filling.

SPEAKER_03 40:25

I yeah, it's funny. It's it's fucking called karma. It's called karma.

SPEAKER_04 40:30

Okay, anything banana flavored just reminds me either medicine or like those um the marshmallows. The the marshmallow candy bananas. Have you ever had those?

SPEAKER_03 40:43

Oh wait, the marshmallows. I know like the candy bananas that are like hard candy. Like that's okay, they're not marshmallow.

SPEAKER_04 40:48

I know what you're talking about. No, but they're they're the softer, not marshmallows.

SPEAKER_03 40:52

Well, you could well, I mean, when I say crunchy, but you gotta bite them. They're not like not marshmallows where it's like killing.

SPEAKER_01 40:58

They might not be in the US because they might be um like a more Canadian UK thing.

SPEAKER_03 41:03

Are they? Okay. Maybe I don't know. But like I like to take the medicine.

SPEAKER_01 41:07

They were actually talking about like peeps and stuff, and some of the Americans did not know them.

SPEAKER_04 41:12

Are peeps Canadian?

SPEAKER_01 41:13

Uh they might be UK.

SPEAKER_04 41:15

Oh man, we're gatekeeping this amazing, amazing treat.

SPEAKER_03 41:19

Oh, listen, I love like me a cherry NyQuil. Like, I'll drink that's my thing. It's like I even like medicine, but like fucking banana flavored, like laffy taffy. No, absolutely I don't like it's this, it's it's not play, I don't I like all the other ones. But like, hey, if you like that, you weirdo, eat it. I don't care.

SPEAKER_04 41:36

Fair enough.

SPEAKER_03 41:37

Well, is it the banana thing to you or no? It's the banana flavor in it. It's all like I love coconut, but like coconut flavored things, I'm generally like, uh no, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 41:47

So when it comes to just flavor coconut things, is where it's a lot of times the flavor is like, it's like this artificial flavor.

SPEAKER_03 41:53

And people, oh, and don't give me that. Oh, you fucking listeners, don't give me that. Oh, it's based on the gross Michelle banana that went extinct in the 60s, also known as the Big Mike, because it was a there was a fungus that took it out, and now that's why we have the cavity. Renew all this! I looked it up. There is no concrete evidence of that. People say that, people just repeated that, and now everyone's just repeating it over and over. There is no evidence that the banana artificial flavor and banana laffy taffy and other banana flavored items is based on the gross Michelle or Big Mike.

SPEAKER_01 42:25

I like how people keep repeating that coffee is dehydrating.

SPEAKER_03 42:28

Yeah, people just repeat it and then we all say it. There's no concrete evidence of that. There's like people just say it, and like there's like a guy who came up with the flavor back in like the 70s or some shit, and they're like, Well, it's more similar because it has there's like one chemical in it that has gives a flavor that's similar to the one in Grosse Michelle, and people because of that, people are like, No, no, no, I just don't like it. I don't like the banana taffy taffy. Fair enough. Yes, fair enough. But yeah, you eat it. I also like licorice, though, so I'm weird. Like, whatever. You are weird.

SPEAKER_04 43:01

Drink it out of uh a pepper mug, so yeah. Pretty weird.

SPEAKER_03 43:05

I like I like this.

SPEAKER_04 43:06

It's nice that the eyes are on the bottom.

SPEAKER_03 43:07

See, I talked about the DeLorean, right? This is Doug Doug, he's a YouTuber, and this is his this is his mug that sold out the fastest. Can you tell what's wrong with it or what's different about it? It's got no hole, it's got no hole in it. So you literally cannot drink out of it. And this one sold out the fastest out of every mug he released. Because he released four at the same time. This one sold out by far the fastest because that's why that's why I love the duck duck community. We bought it because it's a gimmick, it's a gag, it's stupid. He often does things because they're dumb, and that's what I like to do. I'm like, oh, I'll copy this woman's outfit and also make the recipe in a tube top. Why? Because it's stupid, and I think that's funny, and that's that's what I enjoy in life. That's fair. I like to do things because they're dumb. That's why I think for like comedy, like because it's stupid because it's the opposite of what you should be doing, that's what makes it funny to me. Like you have a mug that has no hole in it. That's just funny. So like I'm I'm totally like I will I'm right driving a DeLorean because I haven't seen the movie. That's stupid. I know that's what makes it funny. And that's what makes it funny to me is because it's dumb. I do it be I do things because they're dumb. And life is bet I'm telling you, life is better that way than when you're constantly trying to like look cool and you're like, I gotta make sure I give I got the right vibes or whatever stupid shit people say. I don't know. Just like do shit because it's dumb and life is way more fun. Like I love the care. I would love if I was an actor, I would love to play just the dumb character. Like the you know, the the the the character that's like the the comic relief that's always just doing stupid shit. Love that's that's my character. That's what I want to play. That's the most fun to play.

SPEAKER_04 44:48

I would not deny that at all.

SPEAKER_03 44:50

It's true. Life's too short to Peter Sellers. Uh yeah, sure. I don't I definitely know who that is.

SPEAKER_01 44:56

I know. You definitely know, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:58

Yeah. Oh my god. But I can I tell you, fucking, I'm so I did I already I I I did rant about that. Okay, I did rant about this, but still, again, I just want to say when people are like, Liam, how did you not know this thing? What do you mean? How did I don't know most things? Why are you acting like I fucking know everything? Like people were like, why are not everything? Yeah, like I don't fucking I what you're you're acting like I'm a fucking expert or even smart. What do you what do you are you high? No, you fucking like as much as we all do. Like it was, I think I said this a couple weeks ago on the podcast. People were like, how do you not know what an iron girder is? I'm like, what the fuck is a girder? Like I thought that was something that like I thought that was something that like women wore on like their wedding day or some shit, like around their leg or something.

SPEAKER_01 45:44

Iron girdle. That's great.

SPEAKER_03 45:46

Whatever. I don't know. Like, oh, you mean a beam, Derek? You mean a beam? Can you say beam? Then I would know what that means. So a girder's a beam, by the way. Yeah, I knew that. How'd you not know that? Yeah, and so that's my thing. People are like, what do you mean you don't know what that means? What do you mean? What do you mean? I don't fucking know what it is. I oh sorry, my years of architecture are really just failing me right now. Like, what the fuck? People just act like I know things. Like, oh my gosh, the sometimes people just like getting mad at me because I should have known a thing. Like, why are you assuming I know things? The fuck? Stop. Stop doing that.

SPEAKER_04 46:24

But now the thing is, you know, you're learning something though. You didn't know, now you know.

SPEAKER_03 46:28

But that's what's yeah, life. Now I learned something and that's cool. But like it's always the next thing. Like, how did she not know what that is?

SPEAKER_04 46:34

You can be at least nice if you don't know. Don't be a bit like that.

SPEAKER_03 46:38

And that's what kind of drives me crazy. Like, I appreciate when people are like, hey, you might not know this, but just to give some backstory, dope. I love that. But when people are like, you fucking idiot, how do you like, oh fuck off. Like, no, go fucking sodomize yourself with a pineapple. Get out of here with that shit. Like, why are you coming at me with that? That's the hard part.

SPEAKER_04 46:54

Like, how do you really express like you you want someone to know something without coming off as a dick?

SPEAKER_03 47:00

Like, if somebody's saying something and they clearly don't know something, I don't mind being like, hey, just want to give you some backstory, like, just in case you weren't aware, like, there's this thing, like, and and phrase it just like a fucking decent human being. Why are you being an ass? I think just being behind a keyboard makes people an more of an asshole. I I truly do, just like on your phone where you're not like talking with in person, because nobody would say that shit in person. No, like people are often just bitches in person. What are you trying to like? People like trying to call you out.

SPEAKER_04 47:29

They would never say to your face. Never say that shit.

SPEAKER_03 47:32

But like they get behind a keyboard and they're like, You fucking.

SPEAKER_04 47:35

I'm like, say that's just my face. You're not even gonna say, God damn. Get a ring light, eats the beans. People, people are wild, but that's so true. Like, yeah, no one would ever say a lot of things in person. No, they probably wouldn't even look you in the eyes. They'll run away, they'll walk by you like they'd see that DeLorean be like, nope, nope.

SPEAKER_03 47:53

I can't listen, man. When you pull up and the fucking doors pop open, and like I would have like a little smoke machine in there for just shit to get just pop right out.

SPEAKER_04 48:04

Like, there's all you it's DeLorean stainless steel. It's not uh it's stainless steel, no paint, it's just stainless steel.

SPEAKER_03 48:12

I believe so. I also know everything about it also has 12 horsepower. That's a long story. We're not getting it. Don't worry about that one.

SPEAKER_04 48:19

So it can't go 80 miles an hour or whatever it is to make the future.

SPEAKER_03 48:25

It really can't go that fast because yeah, the car actually kind of sucks balls. Yeah, and it keeps it breaks down. Are you telling me Hollywood's fake? I mean, it depends on which part.

SPEAKER_01 48:35

All of it, mostly the people, you know. Fair enough. Touch up here and there.

SPEAKER_04 48:40

Wait, so you're saying 12 horsepower? No true.

SPEAKER_03 48:43

Just just 12 of them. 12 horses, because one horse is uh horsepower. Or no, I think actually a horse has more than one horsepower, which is weird. Uh or does it? I don't think so. 130 and 12 are right next to each other. How many same, same, right?

SPEAKER_01 49:04

130 horse divided by 10 is almost 12.

SPEAKER_03 49:07

It's still over, though.

SPEAKER_01 49:08

I said almost 12.

SPEAKER_03 49:10

Okay. A single horse can produce one horsepower on average, but work instead when when workingly working steadily throughout a full day, but it can reach a peak of 10 to 15 horsepower in short explosive bursts.

SPEAKER_04 49:22

How can a one horse do more than one horsepower?

SPEAKER_03 49:26

One horse can on average gives one horsepower, but can give to 10 to 15. It's real try and hard. It's a try hard for like those of those free Clydesdills.

SPEAKER_01 49:35

What if we give the horse some horse steroids? How many horsepower is it then?

SPEAKER_03 49:39

What if you give me horse steroids? Let's see what's let's ask the real questions.

SPEAKER_04 49:44

That took a turn. Well, let's find out.

SPEAKER_03 49:47

I did not know what we're going on. And then we're back to the drug league. What did I oh, you know what? I saw like there was a um a thing going around like in the gym community because they found out horse electrolytes are super cheap. So people were buying horse electrolytes.

Horse Electrolytes, Gym Trends, Closing

SPEAKER_04 50:00

Horse electrolytes and uh with dog food, high protein dog food. Time for dog food. What else are we doing? What am I not knowing with the gym community? Because you can tell not a part of the gym community, so so much to learn. Dog food and horse, not horse tranquilizer, no, not ketamine, whores, whatchamacallit, whores electrolytes.

SPEAKER_03 50:19

Yeah, it's $18 for a five-pound bucket of horse electrolytes. So people like the gym community was like, bruh, we can just buy horse.

SPEAKER_04 50:32

Don't you get electrolytes from like just like food and stuff as well? Oh, for sure. Why do you want to be a few?

SPEAKER_03 50:36

But you can also buy it in horsepower form.

SPEAKER_04 50:39

There we go.

SPEAKER_03 50:40

So why are some guaranteed analysis per one ounce? Calcium, uh, salts, sodium, potassium, magnesium, zinc, iron, copper, cobalt. And then the other ingredients are like apple. Oh, it's got artificial apple flavor. It's got artificial apple flavor. That's actually kind of nice. It's better than banana, that's for sure. That's yeah, I mean, it's literally like all things that humans could. Uh no sugars or dyes, cost effective.

SPEAKER_04 51:09

Well, there's no sugar in the dyes because I taste like crap.

SPEAKER_03 51:12

Oh, it's got artificial apple flavor in there. Shut your mouth, I'm sure it tastes great.

SPEAKER_01 51:18

Excuse me. It tastes like salty apple. Everybody loves salty apple.

SPEAKER_03 51:21

It replenishes electrolytes, aids appetite and water consumption, prevents dehydration, promotes healthy hydration. Doesn't licking salt do the same thing? Oh fucking no. I get yourself, yeah, just get yourself a salt like in a rope. Oh, but yeah, people with that gym community was like going crazy and buying horse electrolytes. And I was like, I mean, you know, of all the stupid things you guys have done, I'm it's far from the dumbest. Like it's it's far from the dumbest thing I've seen, even probably that week.

SPEAKER_01 51:48

They could be injecting their own urine.

SPEAKER_03 51:49

What a gym community. What's the dumbest thing? The dumbest thing. I I was synthal's really dumb. That's a good one. No idea what synthol is. Synthol is like you inject it into your muscles and it makes them look bigger. It's like oil. But if you don't do it right, it could go real bad.

SPEAKER_04 52:11

Is that like the guy like with bazook arms or whatever his name was?

SPEAKER_03 52:15

Yeah, if you see that guy, that's synthal. Yeah, it's synth. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 52:18

Because that looks cool, right?

SPEAKER_03 52:19

Is that why we're doing it? Who are you asking? Depends. If you ask a horse, they might think it looks cool.

SPEAKER_04 52:27

Definitely not asking the horse. I don't give the horse the paint in this situation.

SPEAKER_03 52:32

Give him a bunch of electrolytes and ask his opinion. That's all I'm saying. Just see how he's feeling. Oh, it tastes like Apple. Um, no, I mean that's probably I would say also doing steroids at like 17, doing it real too. That's becoming very stupid.

SPEAKER_01 52:47

Before you're done growing, you're already like fucking injecting various and also it's like there was one study um they had a bunch of high school kids anonymously report uh if they were doing any sort of performance-enhancing drug, and it was like 25% of them said yes. Interesting. And that's that's freaking crazy that high 25% of high school athletes might be doing performance-enhancing drugs.

SPEAKER_04 53:15

But now, what are the the classifications of performance-enhancing drugs? Like well, are there ones that are not harmful?

SPEAKER_03 53:23

Generally, when you say like PEDs, you're talking like actual hard yeah, you know, like you're taking like testosterone, you're not talking, you're taking yeah, all of those sort of things. So, yeah, there's a lot of dumb things the community does. I'm just saying, horse electrolytes. Not far, I'm not saying do it. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying, I'm not saying buy yourself a 17-pound tub of horse electrolytes and mix it into water with whatever else makes it taste good. Aspartame, for instance. I'm not saying that. I'm saying I'm not saying do that at all. But that's what people were doing, and you know, just throwing, yeah, just saying that.

SPEAKER_04 53:57

I think you gotta make a video about it. I want to see you do that. It'd be interesting.

SPEAKER_03 54:01

It would be interesting. Buy the horse electrolytes. I'm like a little late to the game, I'm a little late to the game here, but I kind of wanted to try this and see what it tastes like. Yeah. Well, if people wanted to find and find out what your coffee tasted like, what would where would they go for that?

SPEAKER_04 54:15

Wow, what a transition. Well, to give you my coffee, you'd get it at thesonofhan.ca. Say it again.

SPEAKER_01 54:22

I know that dots.ca really threw you off there.

SPEAKER_04 54:25

The sonofhan.ca. Huh.

SPEAKER_01 54:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 54:28

That would be the place to get the coffee if you wanted some. That is the place to go.

SPEAKER_01 54:33

He's also on Twitch.

SPEAKER_04 54:35

You could also, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 54:37

There you go.

SPEAKER_04 54:39

Yeah. Is it the same thing?

SPEAKER_01 54:40

That's where I usually bug him.

SPEAKER_04 54:42

Yeah, you should be with ping bong balls. Freaking jerk. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:45

If you go to Twitch, if I were to go to Twitch right now, you know, maybe I should do it. Should I do it?

SPEAKER_04 54:50

If you want you, you want to give it a whirlwind.

SPEAKER_01 54:53

I'm gonna do it. Okay. Okay. You you give us like a nice- he he also gives these the nice like um positive affirmation things from time to time. Give us one of those while I go find some ping pong balls to shoot at you.

SPEAKER_04 55:07

You want you want a nice little little message of the day? Yeah, give us a message of the day. Okay. Let me find one. Let me find your goodie. Let me find your good one. Let's see, let's see, let's see. Alright. Yeah, we do every every more every day uh a viewer comes in and he always gives us a nice message of the day, and we read it and we kind of talk about it a little bit because it's always fun. You know, people need a little pick me ups every once in a while, right? And yeah, for sure. Right now. Okay. I love it. Oh, that was uncalled for. I was not expecting that. That was the sound of me shooting him with ping pong balls. I I don't want to give you a positive message anymore.

SPEAKER_01 55:47

I should have saved it for after.

SPEAKER_04 55:49

That was very rude. But like the alphabet is basically like, you know, like, hey, I want to remind you. Today might have been hard, but you have beat every day that has been hard in the past. Every day will be better than the worst day you've ever had. And I want you to remember that you are worthy of every good thing that comes your way. It doesn't matter if people don't notice what you do in silence or when you're loud. It doesn't matter because you will always be the best version of yourself. Don't forget. So finger guns. Can't forget the finger guns. And don't be your worst. What?

SPEAKER_03 56:25

Go buy a DeLorean and give it to me.

SPEAKER_04 56:28

Do you know where to buy a DeLorean?

SPEAKER_03 56:31

I will find figure it out. I'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_04 56:34

You probably have a listing on your phone just saved, ready for it.

SPEAKER_03 56:38

I've looked some up. I'm like, you know what? I probably could buy this. I probably could afford this one if I really wanted it. But you don't want that bad. It's a bit like 75 grand for like a decent one. And I'm like, I don't know if I want it that badly. Like I love the joke.

SPEAKER_01 56:54

You'll buy it, and then all of a sudden your social media will tank and you'll be shit out of luck.

SPEAKER_04 57:00

$75,000 just for a joke? Just for a laugh?

SPEAKER_03 57:04

Pretty much. Yeah. You do it. And like I will go, I will go far for a joke. I will I really will, but like, will I spend $75,000?

SPEAKER_04 57:13

But will you go far for horse horse electrolytes?

SPEAKER_03 57:18

I yeah, set see $17. Yes, I will go that far for a joke, no problem. $75,000 is a a big jump, and I'm not so sure I'm willing to do that.

SPEAKER_02 57:30

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 57:31

Yet yes, exactly. But if someone would like to buy me a DeLorean and send it to me, I don't know how many takers you're gonna have on that. Eventually, it only takes one. It only takes one.

SPEAKER_01 57:44

This is true.