Autism And Dating Without The Script

“Meh” can be the most honest answer you give all week, and we start there, with a messy check in that turns into a surprisingly practical talk about mental health. We unpack why you cannot eliminate grief, stress, or depression, and why the real win is shortening the turnaround time, building habits that help you come back faster, and remembering to text the people you love before things get heavy.

From that foundation, we shift into neurodivergence and autism spectrum reality without the tired stereotypes. We talk about how autism can look invisible until you know what to look for, how masking affects relationships, and why labels and terminology keep changing as research and culture evolve. The bigger point is representation and self understanding: if you have ever suspected you might be autistic or neurodivergent, you are not alone, and you are not “less,” you are wired differently.

Then we tackle dating with that lens, including demisexuality and why swipe first hookup culture can be a terrible fit for people who need emotional safety before attraction shows up. We get into what makes dating apps exhausting, how sensory overload and shallow profiles get in the way, and what it might look like to meet people in ways that actually support real connection. Along the way, we somehow detour through VR comfort settings, iPhone vs Android texting, DeLorean podcast bragging rights, and the ongoing hunt for a bean sponsor.

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Transcript

Cold Open And Liam’s Deathbed

SPEAKER_01 0:00

So I literally text these guys last night that you know I'm having a shit week and I'm like, you guys are probably gonna have to do today without me. And so of course, Liam goes and gets his nuts snipped, and now he's on his deathbed.

SPEAKER_00 0:15

Wait, wait, wait we need to give context to that. Liam elected to have a don't.

SPEAKER_01 0:22

That's all they need to know. Liam got his nuts snipped, he's on his deathbed. And condolences to get dragged back into this. And I'm like, you know, every time, every time I'm like, you know, I could probably quit the podcast. These guys have it. I'm reminded that they suck at organizing this more than I do.

SPEAKER_00 0:41

Look, I was I was brought on as uh as as the talent, so to speak, uh where I just kind of show I come out of my my dressing trailer once a week and I come on here, I I say some jokes, I mention the DeLorean, and and that's that, you know. But it's it's um if I was better at organizing things, I I wouldn't have been obese a lot of my life, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

Oh, I thought you were gonna say if you were better at organizing things, you wouldn't be on the show.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Well, that's uh I I guess technically true. Like I the only reason I'm here right now is because my life was a mess before, and I eventually got better at doing things and I lost the weight, and now I'm here. You guys know me because uh I was not always whole, so to speak.

SPEAKER_01 1:28

Now it's my turn for the life. He did me a mess.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Yeah. You know, we're we're just gonna pass the uh the mess baton back and forth to each other. Mine was a mess from a lot of last year until now, earlier this year-ish. I mean, it's still kind of a mess, but we're we're on our way. We're doing a lot better than we used to.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

We're in the middle of passing the baton. You're still holding on to it a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 1:50

Yeah, this is my dream baton rotation.

SPEAKER_01 1:52

And occasionally we just use the baton to smack Liam in the head.

SPEAKER_00 1:55

Well, he likes it. He he wants it to happen.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

It's true. He elected to get his nuts cut off. That's all the context people need.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

So Liam will be back in Avengers Doomsday.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

That's one post-snap, right? Where they fix everything. Post Snip.

unknown 2:11

Post.

SPEAKER_00 2:12

Hey, good night, everybody. It's all over. I've made the final joke on the inmoderation syndication here. Um, but yeah, uh, you and I were on the phone a little while ago, just catching up before the the show and all that. I wanted to see how you were doing, uh, you know, off-air and what have you. I believe my exact words were meh. I see. I said, buddy, how are you doing? And you just said, meh. I said, what's making you feel meh? You know, we we talked about it. It it is important to check on the people that you love. So make sure that you guys listening are doing that. If if there's somebody in your life that this message makes you think of, just shoot them a text. It doesn't have to be intense. And then invite them to get on a podcast. And then invite them to get on a podcast.

SPEAKER_01 2:57

Drag them out of bed, make them sit in front

Checking In Through A Meh Week

SPEAKER_01 3:00

of their computer with a mess behind them. My master plan dumps together. I was supposed to get freaking um I've got some spruce boards that I want to put up back there behind me. Um, I'm pointing behind me for those listening. You can see on YouTube if you're unfamiliar with what pointing looks like. I've got it all cut and I've got it all measured and I've got it all stuffed, and then I realized I left my screws at the other house. Oh, not specifically the screws I'd need. I've got like assortments of screws, but the two-inch drywall screws that I need. Other house, of course. Of course. Are you able to get back there? Now my wall is bare. What?

SPEAKER_00 3:41

Are you able to get back there still or have you handed over? I've got the key. Okay. Like I've got all the keys. No, those are my keys. There's all the keys. There it is. So yeah, it's um it's okay to not be totally okay. I was talking about this in class today a little bit, about how like it's it's not about eliminating bad feelings. It's about the shortening of the turnaround time. It's we can't eliminate bad feelings completely. We can't eliminate grief or depression. It's just something that we grow around. It stays the same size and we become larger around it.

SPEAKER_01 4:16

Usually focused orbiting around your birthday. You know, you get closer to the birthday, closer to the birthday, and you're just like, oh fuck. And then you get past the birthday, and it's like, I'm not meh, I'm Oh.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

Okay, we're moving to more uh obtuse uh consonants, implosives. Yeah, exactly. Something that just punches a little bit harder. Punches. I think there are people with uh auditory processing that are gonna hate that I just did that. Probably. But yeah. Speaking of auditory processing, one of the things we were discussing that was a bit more lighthearted in our pre-podcast conversation is that you and I, Rob, uh we we both have something that is uh known as uh autism. You're on the autism spectrum.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

I thought you were talking about the other thing we

Autism Spectrum Without The Stereotypes

SPEAKER_01 5:02

had. I promise you wouldn't tell anybody about that. Well, I haven't said anything yet, have I? No, you haven't. Okay. Well, carry on, carry on.

SPEAKER_00 5:09

Autism. Autism? The rumors are swirling. But yes, as uh two uh I was gonna say two Thailand all Americans, but you are a Tylenol Canadian. I am a Thailand all American. Don't date Tylenol, don't Tylenol Canadian.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

I guess maybe you guys can use it because we didn't link Tylenol to autism. You guys did. Well, we appeared still just regular old autism.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

Yeah, uncaused by by the way, we have zero evidence to indicate that Tylenol causes or has any effect on autism at all.

SPEAKER_01 5:39

So the rest of the world has been like, yeah, no, uh Tylenol doesn't cause autism.

SPEAKER_00 5:45

It's so to those of you, I I mean, who's unfamiliar with autism at this point? Um, but it autism is a lot of things. It is not one specific thing, it is a lot of different things, it can manifest in different ways. I think the idea that some people have is it like completely incapacitates you or makes you, you know, somehow less or less capable or whatever. But there are people like us where unless we tell you, you might not know. But it still affects us in different ways. And there are some of you out there who may feel either burdened by it or you may be suspicious that you have tendencies like that, and it just hasn't been diagnosed.

SPEAKER_01 6:31

A lot of people don't get diagnosed. It's unfortunate. It's more common these days, but it does look my time growing up, autism was just you're weird.

SPEAKER_00 6:40

Yeah, and that's when I was in school, same thing. Like it existed. I had my diagnosis. I don't know what it's called now. I know back in the day it was called Asperger's, but we don't call it that anymore because it has ties to Nazi doctors and such.

SPEAKER_01 6:57

I think it went to from there to high-functioning versus low-functioning autism, and then from there it went to um God, I don't even know. It's evolved so much because of how much we've been able to like research it at this point. It's become an entire spectrum.

SPEAKER_00 7:12

And it's also, you know, a certain terminology is shifted around to avoid there being like, you know, ableism and and uh like you know, the high functioning versus low functioning. That there are more civilized ways, I guess, to classify that. Uh, you know, you and I, we can do most basic things, whereas, you know, there are some people with our same affliction um who are not capable, but I, you know, it I don't think it's but they can still give great hugs. They do give great hugs, and also they're very capable of other things. Like uh a relationship I was in many years ago. Um, her younger brother had on, and this is something that always really stood out to me that him and I had the same affliction, technically on paper, and yet he was not able to clean himself or take care of himself in a meaningful way or really feed himself. But he was a brilliant artist, he couldn't read, but it if he wanted to draw a billboard, he could from his memory take it back and put it down with all the words in the right place and the letters in the correct font. But if you had asked him to write his name, he'd uh he'd struggle with it. So it's such an interesting thing how certain brains connect certain things.

SPEAKER_01 8:34

Yeah, the uh I mean we could kind of sum up the entirety of autism as just people who perceive and react differently than what we would call the normal, which I don't know why we defined normal in the first place, because everybody's different. So really autism is just hey, we're all different.

SPEAKER_00 8:57

It's kind of everything, and I I know it always surprises people when I tell like it when I mention it in my content or on a podcast or something, and they go, Oh, you're you're autistic. You you seem so and you know, they'll use something akin to the word normal or whatever. And it's you see a slightly curated version of me. I'm I'm mostly this way in person, but you know, there there's a bit a bit of a you know uh the you know the the show Mike Until you give him a game he doesn't like, then he's a controller thrower.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

I'm very upset.

SPEAKER_00 9:33

I'm not angry with it. I'm just I I just get like I I don't know why they spent the time making this game when they could have spent the time making a good game.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

When they could have because Mike, we're all different, and some people like those different games.

SPEAKER_00 9:48

Uh look, it's not my fault. I don't want to shout out a certain game in case they decide to sponsor you on your uh your stream. No, no, not that one. That one's just it's in early development. They gotta fix some things. I can see it becoming very good and fun. It's uh it just released like a week ago. There's some stuff wrong with it.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

They uh Mike and Liam tried to play the new VR Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles with me. Uh, did not go well for them.

SPEAKER_00 10:16

It's for me.

SPEAKER_01 10:17

I didn't need to ask you, yeah. Since we're here and we're talking about it, did you have it set to um free movement or to uh what's the other move? It's style. Uh it's where you lock in. You had free movement?

SPEAKER_00 10:31

I don't know. All I know is with my katanas, when I take them off of my back and start swiping at the bad guys, my swords would not connect with them.

SPEAKER_01 10:41

That sounds like you probably weren't swinging hard enough. Or you weren't close enough. I don't know, I couldn't see your screen. I will say do the replay. Mike's already refunded the game, but um if you are playing a VR game, especially one that's you go actually has movement in it and you feel sick, there's usually there's free movement, which is your normal game where you can just freely move around and that'll make people sick. There's also the um like a lockstep type thing. I forget what it's actually called, but it's more like your um what's that game with the the swords and your hitting things to music? Uh Beat Saber. Beatsaber. It's more like Beatsaber where you you pick a spot, you lock in there, you do your thing, and then you can move and lock into another spot without actually uh moving around between those. And I think that's probably the way you and Liam should have gone if if you hadn't been in on that.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

Standing in one place there.

SPEAKER_01 11:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:37

Interesting. Certainly worth a try.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

Yeah, I was just gonna bug Liam to try it later since he still has the game.

SPEAKER_00 11:43

Today he's uh has his moments from death. You know, that's exactly what he needs is some vertigo well, he's moments from death. Vertigo reality. Yeah. But yeah, um it the way that like I I don't know if I've ever discussed the you know, the the autism stuff at length, it has always just been mentioned casually. And I see it mentioned a lot. I see people talking about it, and I feel like there may be more people in the influencer space who just don't mention it because it maybe limits some of the people who are willing to listen to you or some of the credibility you might have. But I think in an equal measure there are people out there who are like us who may feel that they don't relate to some of those people that don't share similar qualities to them. And so it's important to have some representation out there. And I I think it's it's entered the the public lexicon a little bit more with uh you know, like love on the spectrum. So people are talking about it a little bit more, um, seeing that you know everyone's a human.

SPEAKER_01 12:54

I assume that's a TV show.

SPEAKER_00 12:55

It is over here in the States. You it's uh like a dating.

SPEAKER_01 12:59

I don't watch TV, so I mean it could be here too.

SPEAKER_00 13:01

I don't either. I'm just aware of it. Um, but it's a it's a dating show with some, you know, a bit more like some of them are on the quirkier side, so to speak. And it's you win money? Should I apply to be on it? I don't know if they win money. I'm not sure if it's that kind of a thing where it's a competition. I think it's more so just like documentary style, like they're follow these people as they find love and that kind of thing. Okay. But let's if if we've got So the reward is love, but not money. Got it. We mentioned PETA a month ago and they emailed us, hey, love on the spectrum. If you're listening to us right now, uh and you want to get Rob in there, uh, give us uh give us a call. We'll send Rob to you immediately.

SPEAKER_01 13:50

I'll be the most boring person they've had on there.

SPEAKER_00 13:53

I don't think that's the case.

SPEAKER_01 13:54

I don't know. I don't I don't know who they've had on there. Maybe there's there's bore more boring people than me.

SPEAKER_00 13:59

Well, why does it have to be uh like a scale of who what is boring? What what is that? Let's let's talk about what boring is.

SPEAKER_01 14:06

What is boring? I mean, most people would probably define it as a lack of emotion. I don't think you lack emotion. I think you keep some things close to the chest. I don't think you lack emotion. I I'm not the most emotive person, especially when it comes to first dates.

SPEAKER_00 14:22

Well, it's a it's a nervous situation, you know, as you're meeting a person sometimes for the first time, and it's we're we're we're you and I are inclined to want to uh sort of mold ourselves to the person in front of us and be of service, which does not bode well when you're introducing yourself to somebody. It's a little antithetical to it. So I think that's part of the uh the trouble there.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

That's fair.

SPEAKER_00 14:49

But like I was asking you before, like in your ideal situation, for you specifically, repeat it for everybody, kind of what you would be like the the way that you would enjoy to have a first date. Because I think this might be relatable to some people listening.

SPEAKER_01 15:04

The first one I said, or the second one I said?

Demisexuality And App Dating Burnout

SPEAKER_01 15:06

Start with the first, then we'll go to the second. The first one I said was due to me being demisexual, uh, it would be uh getting to know the person over naturally over time rather than some weird uh blind first date thing. And explain what demisexuality is for those uninitiated. It is a romantic attraction to what's what my brain's too dead to put the words right.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

It's basically like you're not sex forward, you're more intellect forward, you want to know the person.

SPEAKER_01 15:43

Deep form after forming a deep, meaningful emotional bond. There we go. Yeah, you need to actually form you're not going into it wanting to form a bond. You like or expecting to form a bond. You need the bond first before going into it.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

He's a lover, he's not built for today's uh, as the kids would say, the hookup culture. You know, and there's a lot of people out there who I think are sort of burned out on that kind of thing, you know.

SPEAKER_01 16:13

Also makes all the apps impossible to use.

SPEAKER_00 16:16

Especially for us on the neurodivergence spectrum. We were talking about this earlier, how it's really not built for us. Uh Tinder and Hinge feel very much like you're walking.

SPEAKER_01 16:29

Apparently, Google recommended Hinge as a an app for autistic data. Oh, that bothered me. We had a laugh. The reasoning was because Hinge had um descriptive questions that you had to fill in, and we were like, nobody fills them in. No. I mean, in in theory, if yes, if people actually filled in the stuff, maybe. But you can put as many bikini pictures as you want on your profile, but if you haven't filled out that box that tells me what your interests are, swipe left? Left.

SPEAKER_00 17:06

In in my time on the dating apps, I've experienced like it feels like it, like Tinder and Hinge are very much like the cool kids club. And everybody's just, I don't know. There's something like I don't know if it's maybe the party culture that I don't really understand all that much. The going out to loud bars and clubs and stuff, which I just I don't find it personally, and I'm not saying it's wrong. I just personally don't enjoy it. Um, but that's what a lot of people enjoy. If if I'm in a loud space, I have a lot of trouble processing conversations, you know, like in a bar, it don't try to talk to me. I can't hear you because it's like there's too much going on. But so, because those were the two examples I'd given you of like what I feel are the very neurotypical apps. And again, this is this is just a feeling, this is an opinion that I have. And then when we looked up, like, is there a dating app for autistic people and neurodivergent? And it said one that I forget the name of now, but it also mentioned Hinge. And I'm like, that's some bullshit right there. Not a shot. Hinge, I had the very least uh uh luck on.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

Yeah, again, like 99% of profiles I swipe left or whatever on because they had no information, nobody fills them out.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

Well, no one's thinking about it because it's mostly just like a like a shooting gallery. You're just you're looking at somebody's face for half a second. Shooting gallery. Shoot as Rob does a uh suggestive motion with his hand. You can see that on YouTube and replay it to your heart's content. I mean, that's what it is.

SPEAKER_01 18:45

Is the people are looking at the photos, and hey, this one gets me gets me going.

SPEAKER_00 18:50

Yeah. And then swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe. And um, it's yeah, not really contingent to uh, you know, creating human connection, really. Uh so you know, to those out there who are looking for something that is a little more meaningful or connective, it's it's tough to go on something like that and to not really be able to use like, I don't know, the thing that you're looking for.

SPEAKER_01 19:19

But apparently Mike has the solution.

SPEAKER_00 19:21

Well, uh I don't know if we should talk about the solution. The solution here, I I I will go a roundabout way on this. Um, is if you can manage to find other people who are like you. Okay, we could do that. Okay. I had I imposed that we do a bachelor auction for Rob. If this gets uh if we get a hundred comments asking what the fuck are you talking about, I will talk about it in the next episode. Um but it was basically how I had determined that it

The Bachelor Auction Idea

SPEAKER_00 19:57

was easier to find other autistic people. Um but yeah, yeah, we're gonna do a bachelor auction for Rob, basically.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

So right after I just said the worst thing you could do is put me in a blind date.

SPEAKER_00 20:09

We're gonna put Rob on a blind date. So I don't know what the details of this are gonna be yet. Um I I I want to have this be something that we work on and make an event about. So this is this the soft launch of what will eventually be our bachelor auction. What the details are again. It's never gonna happen. What the where the money goes, I have no idea. It will happen. We are going to sell you. I'm gonna we're gonna pair you off with a a lucky listener out there. Would that make me make you my pimp? I'm not taking a cut of the proceeds, so I guess technically not, but I don't see how this bars me from wearing a nice hat and uh and a feathery cape. So or how about this? Go over to the YouTube channel.

SPEAKER_01 20:54

Oh, that's that's that's that's exactly what I wanted. A banana man pimping me out.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

I'm pimping out your banana.

SPEAKER_01 21:02

Because I love bananas.

SPEAKER_00 21:04

You love bananas. Hold on. Back yeah, look at that.

SPEAKER_01 21:09

Also, anybody else think he looks like Final Fantasy VI Sid? Hold on.

SPEAKER_00 21:13

Final Fantasy VI. Oh, good lord. Okay, yeah, I just need a mustache, and I guess I'll be good to go. This is perfect. Yeah, I um ended up with a banana suit in my possession. So I went on a group trip with my uh my coaching community last week to Colorado, and this was brought by Smitty. Shout out to Smitty. I don't know how it ended up in

Banana Suit And Tax Write Offs

SPEAKER_00 21:40

my trunk, but it did. And now I own a banana suit until I return it to him.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

I mean, I am not surprised considering the amount of condoms that we specifically put around your vehicle last time we were in the vehicle.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

Right. I remember that. I was like, condom, what? Yes, yeah, I think there was one in. My wiper. I mean, there was yeah, at a time where I definitely didn't need them. Uh also they were on the outside of my car in Texas. So I wouldn't trust them anyway. Oh, that was I I think they were there and no one fessed up to it. I was trying to figure out where they came from, right? That was me and Smitty. Yeah, of course it was. Of course it was. Why wouldn't it be? But yeah, it's what were we even talking about? Yeah, uh bachelor. There was something before the bachelor auction. We'll get there. We're gonna we're gonna bachelor auction you off uh to somebody with some kind of benefit here. Maybe the benefit doesn't even have to be a charity. The benefit can be the the Rob Fund. We'll make it a a nonprofit somehow, but you are the recipient. I'll talk to my tax person. We'll figure this out. We'll make it a you a tax person? I if I didn't, I would be in prison right now.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:56

Well, I I shouldn't be running a business. I'm a damn good coach. I've seen people melt in front of me. Okay, like I've seen people go from their heaviest to their smallest. I have seen people go from their smallest personally to their biggest in terms of personality and the way that they feel in the world and their confidence. What I do not know how to do is run a goddamn business. That I it is something I have to do on the side to support my coaching habit is the way that I I consider this thing.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

Yeah, I can see that.

SPEAKER_00 23:28

Yeah, and I have businesses sucks. And the gas that it took me to drive up there to obtain this banana suit was according to my CPA Valerie, shout out to you, tax deductible. It would be, yes. I don't know shit about shit, but I do know how to help you lose weight.

SPEAKER_01 23:44

Me doing my background here in order to make it look nicer for streaming on Twitch also would be tax deductible.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

Yep, that is how that works. But I've got the autism that made me good at losing weight, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 23:58

And if I can um write a really convincing letter to the CRA when they audit me, I could actually have video games be tax deductible because I can, in fact, make money playing video games.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

Oh, yeah, it is for me too. When I buy a game for a stream, I buy it on my business card. It's yeah, business purposes only. Yep. That's how we run things.

SPEAKER_01 24:21

Or at least I make money when people show up to stream.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

By the way, when was the last time you plugged your stream on here?

SPEAKER_01 24:28

I don't know. I gave up.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

I'm on every episode of this thing, and I don't unless you did it last week when I wasn't here, you're not plugging it enough. Twitch.tv slash Rob Laffam. R-O-B-L-A-P-H-A-M. Twitch.tv slash. Go check him out.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

I think most of the people listening to this don't go to Twitch.

SPEAKER_00 24:48

Well, they're going to now because they're gonna say, oh shit, Rob's got a thing where he hangs out and talks, and sometimes Mike and Liam show up. Fuck yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:56

Yeah, you guys missed Mike and Liam trying to play TMNT last night. Or the night before last night? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:02

No, night before.

SPEAKER_01 25:03

Night before?

SPEAKER_00 25:04

Yep. No, I was busy last night.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Whatever. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:08

Yeah. You get on.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

Mike and Liam got sick. I had tech issues. 10 out of 10. Didn't we play RV there yet?

SPEAKER_00 25:16

Sometimes we uh Mike fell off cliffs.

SPEAKER_01 25:19

I fell off cliffs. Liam drove off a cliff. 10 out of 10. We're professionals.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

I fell into lava a bunch of times.

SPEAKER_01 25:26

Trying to get, well, I don't know if Mike's able to. I'm trying to get Liam to come stream or game on stream on my birthday on Friday.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

Uh tentative for me. I may be here, I may not. I am going, I am traveling to Austin, Texas here soon. So um which I was about to say, maybe I shouldn't say since it's going out before, but it's you'd have to search the entirety of Austin. If you by the way, if you see me in public, come say hi. I I get I've gotten many messages where somebody said, like, hey, I saw you out in public and I didn't want to bother you. Come bother me. I mean, if it looks like I'm very busy or something, then whatever. But I most of the time, yeah, I will.

SPEAKER_01 26:07

If he has frowny face, leave him alone. If he has neutral face, go for it.

SPEAKER_00 26:13

Neutral face is good, happy face is good. Frowny face, maybe I just need a pat on the back. Maybe you need to come up and say, hey, cheer up, champ. I mean, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 26:22

True. Maybe, maybe, maybe you somebody should go over and just say a kind word. Like, hey, you're a cool dude.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

I always love getting to talk to people when I meet them out there. So, yeah, definitely do that. And if you want to meet Rob, Bachelor Auction.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

If you want to meet Rob, good luck because you're out in the middle of fucking nowhere.

SPEAKER_00 26:39

We'll send you out to Edmonton, which is still three hours away. From where you are now? Where are you now? I didn't realize you were now far away. Yeah, I know the middle of nowhere. It's got to have a name.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

Middle of nowhere.

SPEAKER_00 26:53

Middle of nowhere kind of the actual name.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

My address is on the frickin' website because you know, a business has to have a legal address.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

You don't have like this that you're using.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

Which people think is Liam's address funny enough. Or Liam's number. So I'll get calls for Liam and I'll just be like, I'm not Liam.

SPEAKER_00 27:12

I want to call Liam and bother him, but I don't want to uh disturb his final moments. Our boy's suffering right now.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

Let's pour one out for Liam. Liam's not.

SPEAKER_00 27:29

Where are we at? It's not loading for some reason. That's fun. Uh petition to get Rob an iPhone. Wait, what? That's what we're doing. The bachelor auction is in benefit of getting you an adult phone. Yeah, it's not loading. I am going to throw this at you. Go ahead. It's more useful against my head

iPhone Vs Android Texting Debate

SPEAKER_00 27:48

than it is in your hands. Green bubble ads, motherfucker.

SPEAKER_01 27:50

Rjunk. I'm going to say it. iPhones are junk, overpriced junk.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

Yes. I agree with you. And Apple is a terrible company. I agree with you. Full agree. But they build phones for dumb people. And that's what I mean. That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying superior. Because it doesn't play well with our dumb people phones.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

You guys have RCS texting now.

SPEAKER_00 28:15

Well, it's not working over here. We got the green bubbles coming in. No, I have the uh 15. It's a type C chart.

SPEAKER_01 28:24

Yeah, you should have RCS test RCS testing. Texting. Maybe Liam has an older one. Or maybe you have to turn it on. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 28:32

I have no idea. It might be Liam has an older one. I don't know. If I want a new phone, Rob, if I want to go from the 15 to the 16, you know what I have to do to transfer the information from this one to the new one? I smack them against each other. I do that with this two. And then my new stuff is in my old stuff is in the new phone.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

My app do that with this too? What do you mean? That's not an amble Apple specific thing.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

You can do that on yours?

unknown 28:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

But if you're near field communication.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

What kind of phone do you have? What's the the make of it? Pixel 6A. Okay, so you got the Google Pixel. If you wanted to go to a Samsung, you can't do that.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

Yeah, I can.

SPEAKER_00 29:13

It's near field communication. It's in like every phone now. It doesn't make you like I thought they were all like set up different. There's different types of apps and different formats and all that.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

There might be some that like are the like the more third parties that might not have it. But all the first parties and second parties are pretty standardized these days.

SPEAKER_00 29:37

These are the little details.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

Even if it didn't, I could load a firmware on this super easy. No need to jailbreak it.

SPEAKER_00 29:44

So about that, super easy. That's only super easy because you have a computer as a brain, Rob. I've got mush.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

This is true.

SPEAKER_00 29:52

I've got a delight, a delightfully buttery mush as my brain. Yeah, you have RCS on. So how do you know that? What is RCS? I don't even know what that is.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

It's the ri it's really sending. Really cool system for sending, yes. Um it's uh Google's version of like encrypted messages. And I can see right there. Mike Bridget. Is it gonna focus? Let me get my head out of the way.

SPEAKER_00 30:20

It's not gonna focus.

SPEAKER_01 30:21

RCS messages.

SPEAKER_00 30:23

RCS. Cool. Yeah, I don't know shit about shit. I know everything about Back to the Future and nothing more.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

Oh, I probably shouldn't do the Dean, DeLorean, Dean. Dean, DeLorean, DeLorean, DeLorean. DeLorean. DeLorean. DeLorean?

unknown 30:39

DeLorean.

SPEAKER_01 30:40

DeLorean. DeLorean. Not gonna forget it this time. That's for sure. There we go.

SPEAKER_00 30:45

I mentioned it in the beginning of the episode of the video.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

But we hadn't we had to add an extra minute of it. Come on.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:51

We are there's only one mention up to this point.

SPEAKER_00 30:54

We are the number one DeLorean podcast uh anywhere.

SPEAKER_01 30:58

Exactly. So we had to throw some DeLorean in there. Literally, just throw Dean in there. DeLorean. Just start replacing DeLorean with DeLoreans.

SPEAKER_00 31:08

Podcast about

DeLorean Podcast Rivalry And Growth

SPEAKER_00 31:09

DeLoreans. Let's see. Um oh no. There is a podcast called the DeLorean Talk, hosted by the DeLorean community. This show is geared towards gearheads. It frequents personal stories, event recaps, and Mike, Mike, Mike.

SPEAKER_01 31:25

What is the number one podcast on DeLoreans that includes dick jokes? See, that's where we gotta be.

SPEAKER_00 31:33

That's where they can't talk. Yeah, AI can't do this, motherfuckers. But see, here's the thing, though. DeLorean Talk has had John DeLorean's children, which we've been aiming for here for quite a while. We want to have one of the DeLorean children on. They're all adults, of course. Uh, but they are out there. And uh we are putting the call out once more. If anybody knows the DeLorean children, uh, please let us connect.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

Maybe if we say their name three times fast. DeLorean, Dean, Dean. This will be a really good edit in the future. We can edit them in to that. That would be perfect. Okay, don't tell anybody.

SPEAKER_00 32:11

And we've got also DeLorean Knights, a lighter fan-driven show where hosts and guests share their personal connections to the car and the stainless steel subculture. We shouldn't be advertising our um opposition here, I don't think. So don't listen to these podcasts, unless, of course, they're friendly and they want to come on here. In which case, please listen to those podcasts. Yeah, well, let's bring one of those guys on.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

We can just do a DeLorean podcast.

SPEAKER_00 32:39

If we've got any hosts or anyone tangentially connected with DeLorean Talk or DeLorean Nights, unless AI is inventing those, um, which I guess I could independently verify right now. I don't have to say, okay. So the last episode of DeLorean Talk was in October of 2023, and the last one of Dean Nights was January of 2021. So we are the top current DeLorean podcast. Yes, that's the way we do it.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

We just outlast the others. We just outlast the others, or in the case of one of them, start after that one.

SPEAKER_00 33:18

Yes. So uh, I mean, it looks like we've had far more episodes than either one of them.

SPEAKER_01 33:23

Not too surprised about that. Most podcasts start this big, biggest one out there. Um, we recently hit 750,000 downloads. That was like a couple weeks ago. Getting close to that million.

SPEAKER_00 33:38

We're shooting up. It was only a few months ago we hit like 600 something.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:43

We're crushing, folks. Thanks to people. Thanks to the people. By the way, you know what? Let me put this out there too. If there's a topic that you would like us to talk about, send me a message over at Mike Needs a Plan on Instagram. Um, I'm and if you're PETA, send Mike a message over at Mike. And if you're PETA, send your message directly to the fucking trash. That's now they they were they were

How To Message Us The Right Way

SPEAKER_00 34:08

very polite. I I may not agree with some of the things that they're doing while they're talking about, you know, do it like we love animals. You know, let's let's let's not get another email from them. Let's not get another let's just leave it as. We love animals. We love animals and we want every animal on earth to be protected and safe and and healthy and in good condition. So we support anybody who shares that mission. But yeah, uh, if you if you have a topic that you would like to discuss uh or that I'd like us to discuss, shoot me a message. Um Rob, where would they send you a message if they wanted to talk to you?

SPEAKER_01 34:46

Uh just use the support system on the inmoderation session net the intermoderation I broke.

SPEAKER_00 34:55

I broke. I finally broke. Ladies, go to YouTube to see what that tongue does. Bachelor auction coming soon. I can't even say inmoderation.net. You don't have to say anything.

SPEAKER_01 35:06

Man, the the amount of messages I have to go through there. Unfortunately, a lot of them thinking that it's a direct line to Liam.

SPEAKER_00 35:14

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:15

Do not try to direct. If anybody has a message that are waiting for in the inmoderation support thing, I am so sorry. I am so sorry. Between, well, between all of this, you know, the everything life and um AI email bastards that like they're trying to get their client on the show, and so they send these automated emails, and it's always a set of three. You know it's them because it's always a set of three. So they spam up me, and then they've got people that are uh trying to directly communicate with Liam and like things that should be uh posts on his or comments on his post that are being sent to the inbox. That I I had to go through like a hundred messages yesterday.

SPEAKER_00 36:05

Yeah, Liam does not see those.

SPEAKER_01 36:07

Nope.

SPEAKER_00 36:07

Your best shot to get to Liam uh as uh you know fans and friends is to tag him in something, tag him on something or message him on Instagram. He sometimes looks at those, or leave a comment on one of the in moderation podcasts and we will relay it to him. You do that. That too, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:27

Yeah, it's better. Um that's specifically stuff that should be a comment on a video.

unknown 36:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:34

If you guys are writing in about your successes and all that stuff, we absolutely love hearing those.

SPEAKER_00 36:40

Yes, we should start reading some of those on the show. I think it'd be fun to do that. It's been a bit since somebody wrote one in. Because they're all sending messages to the inmoderation website trying to get to Liam. Leave it in the comments on Apple or Spotify. That'll help the show. It'll help us, and you can reach Liam.

SPEAKER_01 36:58

But you're right, we should start reading some of those off. Okay, okay. Anybody from now on, if you do not want your thing read off, put a note in there somewhere. Start off with, you know, I would prefer this not to be read. It's fine. Whatever. Anything else? We might read off on uh on an episode.

SPEAKER_00 37:15

But it's got to be a comment. Don't send it to the email. No, those ones you can send to the email. Oh, yeah, you send the ones you don't want read. There's so many layers to this.

SPEAKER_01 37:24

Those ones you can send to the email, although it's you can put them as a comment too, because comments help the video algorithm.

SPEAKER_00 37:30

No matter what, whatever. If it's an email, Liam will not see it. So stop sending emails to the inmoderation.net. Anything that's directed directly at Liam, go put it in a comment somewhere. Right now, I can't even contact him. I I we can't text him because he's dead.

SPEAKER_01 37:48

Yeah, he died.

SPEAKER_00 37:49

He died. I just got the notification. He is no longer alive. Rest in peace. Throw one out for Liam. His gravestone is being sponsored by uh what's the name of that bean company he's working with now? He's sponsored by beans.

SPEAKER_01 38:02

Um, you're asking me? I'm sponsored by Son of Han beans in the form of coffee beans.

SPEAKER_00 38:10

I don't think I know what that is.

SPEAKER_01 38:11

That's because you missed last week.

SPEAKER_00 38:13

I was not here last week. You are correct.

SPEAKER_01 38:15

It's okay because you're not sponsored by them. It's me that's sponsored by them. So

Bean Sponsors And The Pasta Pitch

SPEAKER_01 38:19

you guys both have bean sponsors and I don't?

SPEAKER_00 38:21

Yeah. Yeah. No, wait, I need a bean sponsor. Yeah, you do. If any bean companies are out there listening right now, uh preferably jelly beans, I like those a lot. I want to be sponsored by uh by jelly beans or some kind of uh some kind of or surprise me. I don't know. You have a bean that's not jelly, send it my way. We'll talk. Yo, you know what I mean. Mike just wants a bean sponsorship. I want to be, and I've talked about this before, and I'll talk about it again. My favorite pasta. It's called Brahme pasta. B-R-A-M-I. It comes in yellow boxes, and it is made of uh wheat and lupini beans, and it's got very high fiber, it's got good protein, and it doesn't fall apart like some of the other protein pastas. It doesn't have a weird taste like the like edamame pasta or whatever. It's just it is a good, solid, uh quality pasta that tastes exactly like you would expect it to, but it's got way better macros, and I have an entire shelf of my pantry dedicated to nothing but boxes of Brahme pasta. At my peak, I had like 38 boxes in there.

SPEAKER_01 39:36

So so we'll have we'll have Liam being sponsored by Bean Big Beans. Me sponsored by Coffee Beans and you sponsored by Pasta Bean, bean pasta.

SPEAKER_00 39:46

Yes. So Brahmi, if you're listening, because they have been so far ignoring me, despite the fact that I've gotten many people to tag me uh and and to message them and whatever, because you know, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01 39:58

Now it's official, it's on a podcast, you have to contact him. I mean, we mentioned PETA, PETA contacted us. Now we're mentioning Brahmi, Brahmi, you you have to do it.

SPEAKER_00 40:08

Brahmi, I'm not a loss of it. It's the internet law. If you want the first athlete sponsored by pasta as somebody with with much Italian blood, so I I could sing the praises to my people. And once you get the Italians on with you, you're unstoppable. So just hear me out, Brahmi. I I for five dollars. I I think we could do a little more than five dollars. Maybe, maybe.

SPEAKER_01 40:34

Okay, look, beggars can't be Liam Liam Liam got his sponsorship for five dollars. He did. Don't put it.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

But that was on principle. He wanted five dollars. He specifically didn't want to have a lot of money from it. That was one of his specifications. And then he had a big check. It was it was a prop check that probably cost more than what he got from the sponsorship. Probably. As part because he just he's a man who loves his bits, and that's why he got them tended to earlier today.

SPEAKER_01 41:06

All that and more on next week's episode of Inmoderation.

SPEAKER_00 41:11

Wait, in moderation, sponsored by Beans. Beans, the musical film.

SPEAKER_01 41:18

Well, two thirds of us are sponsored by Beans.

SPEAKER_00 41:21

Yeah, fix that, Brahmi. Before the jelly bean, before big jelly bean comes in and scoops me up. I will only take one. I would prefer you.